Ranji Trophy, 2012-13 November 18, 2012

Ranji points system needs an overhaul

The first round of the Ranji Trophy this season kicked off amid much fanfare
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The first round of the Ranji Trophy this season kicked off amid much fanfare. Uttar Pradesh defeated a star-studded Delhi team, taking many by surprise. A keen Delhi follower, after reading out the Delhi line-up, announced this team was good enough to face any international side. Not one to jump the gun, I politely told him that putting one across a competent domestic team like UP was likely to stretch them. Fortunately, the pitch in Ghaziabad had something in it for everyone on all four days. In the end, the team that won was the team that outplayed the other, made possible only because of a sporting pitch.

It was also during the first round that another widely-watched game took place in Mumbai, involving Sachin Tendulkar. The match was between Mumbai and a weaker Railways team. As expected, Mumbai held the upper hand in a game that turned out to be a dull draw.

But, still, the first round did throw up some exciting outright results. The second round, though, seems to have made a mockery of the BCCI's brief to the curators for preparing sporting pitches. Two triple-centuries were scored in the second round and in as many as four matches the first innings didn't finish until tea on the fourth day. The match involving UP again drew the most attention, this time for all the wrong reasons. Maharashtra, on a highway, scored 764 in a little over two days, and U.P. couldn't even finish their first innings in the remaining time. What a sad advertisement for the sport!

Pitches remain the most pressing concern for the betterment of Indian cricket. But while changing the nature of certain surfaces and mastering the art of preparing pitches that produce an outright result may take some time, there's something else I'll suggest to make things more interesting in the interim. How about revamping the points system to nullify the significance of taking first-innings lead? How about finding a way to penalise teams for batting for two days?

Here's what I propose for the overhauling of the points system:

Batting and bowling points
Teams should get batting and bowling points for scoring runs and taking wickets, but with a little twist.

Batting
* The batting team shall gain the first batting point after scoring 125 runs, and a point for every 75 runs they score thereafter.

* There will be a maximum of five batting points to be achieved, which means a total of 425 shall be scored to gain maximum points. But this comes with a small rider--batting points would be available only till the 125thover, which will ensure that batting team will have to maintain a healthy run-rate of 3.4 runs per over throughout.

Bowling
* There will one bowling point gained for every two wickets that the bowling team takes. So that's a maximum of five bowling points up for grabs in the innings.

* Unlike the batting points, bowling points will be available till the time opponents are willing to bat.The advantage of this system is that batting teams will be encouraged to score their runs at a better clip, and will be discouraged to bat beyond the 125th over because only the bowling team can gain points past that stage. Also, most teams would be happy to declare when the side is nine down, than give bowling teams a chance.

At this stage we can add a couple of points for the first-innings lead as well.

Since there won't be too many overs left to play in the match, the points system shall change slightly for the second innings.

* There will only be three batting points available (first point at 125 runs and two more at subsequent 75 runs), but the points will be available only till the 60th over.

* As in the first innings, there'll be a maximum of five bowling points available (one point for two wickets) till the batting team bats.

* In the end there'll be a bonus of 10 points for an outright win, which shall be added to the overall tally of the points accumulated by the winning team in that match. While the winning team's kitty would be overflowing, there'll be something for the losing team too, since they'll hang on to their batting/bowling points.

In the current set-up, the losing team walks away empty handed and is therefore always wary of taking risks. The knowledge of taking home substantial points even from a game that they've lost would encourage teams to go that extra yard.

In the current points system, an outright win is revered because of the difference in points gained (six for an outright win and one bonus point for winning with an innings or 10 wickets). Still, that doesn't seem like a good-enough reason for teams (especially the weaker ones) to avoid dishing out a highway, bat for as long as possible and prevent an outright result.

Former India opener Aakash Chopra is the author of Out of the Blue, an account of Rajasthan's 2010-11 Ranji Trophy victory. His website is here and his Twitter feed here

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  • Mathew on December 13, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    Split the 27 team into Two Side.

    Renji Premier League(RPL) and Renji League 1(RL1)

    In RPL there will be 12 teams and RL1 there will be 15 teams.

    Every season the non permorming three teams in RPL will go back to RL1 and Top three team in RL1 will promoted to RPL.

    Adopt point system on each innings. Give privite sponsership to each team, so the business also build to entertain the people.

  • Rohit Negi on December 4, 2012, 6:42 GMT

    I do not think much tinkering is needed with the point scheme. Essentially the problem are the pitches. This season, its clear to see that wherever one sees sporting pitches, results ensue (look at Punjab's tally--largely because of playing in Mohali). So the emphasis has to be, unequivocally, on the preparing better pitches. Some people have mentioned how allowing the away team to choose what they wish to do (bat or bowl), which can be tried. But how about some clear disincentives: if a team prepares highways, if they are in group A or B, DEMOTING them to group C? Of if they already are in C, then for each poor track, a HOME GAME is TAKEN AWAY from them for next season? Crises demand such extreme actions, and with the state of long-format cricket in India--including the national team--one needs to do more than tinkering.

  • Shiv Mishra on November 23, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    Dear Aakash,

    If aim is to motivate teams to go for win rather than draws, would not simple 3 points for win and 1 point each for draw will suffice? Also, first innings lead to determine winner in case of draw should be completely abolished. Whats the need of finals? Just shorten league size, create 3 tiers instead of 2 and put only 8-9 teams in one tier, and make them play home and away. This will mean, maximum of 70-80 days of first class cricket for each team. Whoever is top of the league after season, will be winner. This will ensure that top teams dont play for 2nd position in their last matches. Also would not be it nice to have first class competation for all major test playing nations, with top 2 teams of each league qualifying for such tournaments. This will remove the necessity of Country A teams. 2 each from Australia, England, Pakistan, SA, India and 1 each from SL, BD,WI,NZ. 2 teams will qualify based on playoffs. divide in 4 groups,max 9 matches (45 days).

  • Sridhar Kalyan on November 21, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    The current points-system is loaded to favor the leaders - Rajasthan managed to benefit from it as it played superbly to take the trophy and join the 'elite'. It would be interesting if we restrict each innings to a maximum of 90 overs - this will ensure avoidance of absurd situations like batting out the first 3-days and defending a horrendous score-line like 779 for 5 decl. !!! The current system is too batsman-focussed and has no incentive for anyone to try and be a good bowler. As a fallout, all pitches are absolutely flat and softies, and so we have champions who are excellent at home and nowhere else!!!

  • Ranjichamp on November 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    The suggestions are very short sighted. This will make first class cricket a extended form of one day cricket. What happened to the good old practice of playing a long innings. I like the suggestion for bowling point though.

  • Mukesh Sharda on November 20, 2012, 16:16 GMT

    Since the accent is on results, why not just convert the format into a limited overs 2 innings? It could go something like this:

    1. Total overs available for a match: 4 days X 90 overs = 360 overs. 2. Each team gets a total of 180 overs. 3. 120 overs 1st innings and 60 overs 2nd innings is the starting base. 4. The team that bowls and gets the batting team out/declared within the 120 overs gets the bonus of half of the overs left to reach 120 into their quota of overs. 5. Assured outright result at the end of the match. Winning team gets all the points.

    Hope to know your views on the same. Thanks.

  • Stanley on November 20, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    Hi! Akash

    Cricket should not be a game of mathematics.

    Solutions: Pitches & quality bowlers

  • Anonymous on November 20, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    Terrific article Aakash.. This will make Ranji Trophy worth watching for spectators also.. I really get bored when a team bats on after scoring more than 450.. This is 4 day match and other team needs to do hell lot of hardwork to cross 450..

  • vikas on November 20, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    It would be better to suggest less drastic changes. I think the author made a presentation suggesting sweeping changes to the board and expectedly, they were not accepted. Start with changes less drastic and hence with lesser risk for the administrators.

  • SouthPaw on November 20, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    Akash,

    I wish to add one more thing to your recommendations. In case of the game being a draw, if the first team had declared their first inning, even if the second team scored more than the first team, they should be given equal points. Case in point is the TN Vs. Karnataka game this season where TN declared their first innings and in response Karnataka outscored them. There was clearly no winner and neither team was superior, therefore, each team should have finished with 2 points. Imagine if TN had not declared?

  • Mathew on December 13, 2012, 11:43 GMT

    Split the 27 team into Two Side.

    Renji Premier League(RPL) and Renji League 1(RL1)

    In RPL there will be 12 teams and RL1 there will be 15 teams.

    Every season the non permorming three teams in RPL will go back to RL1 and Top three team in RL1 will promoted to RPL.

    Adopt point system on each innings. Give privite sponsership to each team, so the business also build to entertain the people.

  • Rohit Negi on December 4, 2012, 6:42 GMT

    I do not think much tinkering is needed with the point scheme. Essentially the problem are the pitches. This season, its clear to see that wherever one sees sporting pitches, results ensue (look at Punjab's tally--largely because of playing in Mohali). So the emphasis has to be, unequivocally, on the preparing better pitches. Some people have mentioned how allowing the away team to choose what they wish to do (bat or bowl), which can be tried. But how about some clear disincentives: if a team prepares highways, if they are in group A or B, DEMOTING them to group C? Of if they already are in C, then for each poor track, a HOME GAME is TAKEN AWAY from them for next season? Crises demand such extreme actions, and with the state of long-format cricket in India--including the national team--one needs to do more than tinkering.

  • Shiv Mishra on November 23, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    Dear Aakash,

    If aim is to motivate teams to go for win rather than draws, would not simple 3 points for win and 1 point each for draw will suffice? Also, first innings lead to determine winner in case of draw should be completely abolished. Whats the need of finals? Just shorten league size, create 3 tiers instead of 2 and put only 8-9 teams in one tier, and make them play home and away. This will mean, maximum of 70-80 days of first class cricket for each team. Whoever is top of the league after season, will be winner. This will ensure that top teams dont play for 2nd position in their last matches. Also would not be it nice to have first class competation for all major test playing nations, with top 2 teams of each league qualifying for such tournaments. This will remove the necessity of Country A teams. 2 each from Australia, England, Pakistan, SA, India and 1 each from SL, BD,WI,NZ. 2 teams will qualify based on playoffs. divide in 4 groups,max 9 matches (45 days).

  • Sridhar Kalyan on November 21, 2012, 5:52 GMT

    The current points-system is loaded to favor the leaders - Rajasthan managed to benefit from it as it played superbly to take the trophy and join the 'elite'. It would be interesting if we restrict each innings to a maximum of 90 overs - this will ensure avoidance of absurd situations like batting out the first 3-days and defending a horrendous score-line like 779 for 5 decl. !!! The current system is too batsman-focussed and has no incentive for anyone to try and be a good bowler. As a fallout, all pitches are absolutely flat and softies, and so we have champions who are excellent at home and nowhere else!!!

  • Ranjichamp on November 20, 2012, 17:03 GMT

    The suggestions are very short sighted. This will make first class cricket a extended form of one day cricket. What happened to the good old practice of playing a long innings. I like the suggestion for bowling point though.

  • Mukesh Sharda on November 20, 2012, 16:16 GMT

    Since the accent is on results, why not just convert the format into a limited overs 2 innings? It could go something like this:

    1. Total overs available for a match: 4 days X 90 overs = 360 overs. 2. Each team gets a total of 180 overs. 3. 120 overs 1st innings and 60 overs 2nd innings is the starting base. 4. The team that bowls and gets the batting team out/declared within the 120 overs gets the bonus of half of the overs left to reach 120 into their quota of overs. 5. Assured outright result at the end of the match. Winning team gets all the points.

    Hope to know your views on the same. Thanks.

  • Stanley on November 20, 2012, 11:34 GMT

    Hi! Akash

    Cricket should not be a game of mathematics.

    Solutions: Pitches & quality bowlers

  • Anonymous on November 20, 2012, 7:25 GMT

    Terrific article Aakash.. This will make Ranji Trophy worth watching for spectators also.. I really get bored when a team bats on after scoring more than 450.. This is 4 day match and other team needs to do hell lot of hardwork to cross 450..

  • vikas on November 20, 2012, 7:22 GMT

    It would be better to suggest less drastic changes. I think the author made a presentation suggesting sweeping changes to the board and expectedly, they were not accepted. Start with changes less drastic and hence with lesser risk for the administrators.

  • SouthPaw on November 20, 2012, 7:20 GMT

    Akash,

    I wish to add one more thing to your recommendations. In case of the game being a draw, if the first team had declared their first inning, even if the second team scored more than the first team, they should be given equal points. Case in point is the TN Vs. Karnataka game this season where TN declared their first innings and in response Karnataka outscored them. There was clearly no winner and neither team was superior, therefore, each team should have finished with 2 points. Imagine if TN had not declared?

  • Prakash Natarajan on November 20, 2012, 7:12 GMT

    Wow ! I just love the way your mind works..Just what our Domestic system needs- Proper brains .

  • Yayathy on November 20, 2012, 7:05 GMT

    Very Good suggestion from someone who opened for India. Hope BCCI takes a look at it and try implementing it atleast half way through the tournament.

  • Aravind on November 20, 2012, 6:57 GMT

    This makes perfect sense. It encourages teams to put in more effort.Playing out dull draws makes no sense.

  • GANESHAN D on November 20, 2012, 6:05 GMT

    I endorse the views expressed by the former Delhi-India player, but with a slight change. Restrict the total no. of overs that can be played by each team to say 120 & 60 overs per team in each innings (or 110 & 70) with the idea that a total of 360 overs are allowed per match as at present - 90 overs per day x 4 days. This will enable completion of every match within the allotted 4 days, weather not interfering. There will be an interest in every match and the team that shows better application in batting & bowling can earn more points. Reg. the points suggested for 2nd innings, the maximum points for the bowling team also should be limitted to 3 like that allowed for the batting team (first point till 3 wickets, second point till 6 wickets & third point for claiming 7 wickets and above). Points for taking first innings lead, outright win, tie, bonus points etc. can be designed suitably. Also, in case of wash-out of match owing to rain or unforeseen happening the match can be replayed

  • Kuldeep Singh on November 20, 2012, 5:35 GMT

    The whole system is very confusing. The current system leads to dull cricket. The point system should be such so the outright results are encouraged. No points should be given for first innings, Cricket is a simple game and should be left as it is. When you start playing for the first innings point then the whole match become irrelevant. I think it it time to perhaps bring in uncovered pitches. Domestic cricket = strong national team.

  • Suganth on November 20, 2012, 4:45 GMT

    The Current Rating System make the viewers to turnoff Matches after 1st innings. Except a very few.

  • Rajaram Reddy on November 20, 2012, 1:28 GMT

    The system proposed has the following drawbacks.

    1) We may not see an another Dravid emerge from the domestic cricket as teams tend to chose fast scorers.

    2) No. 10 and 11 may never get a chance to bat in domestic cricket. Martins, walshes and Morrisons records will be under threat.

    3) The way forward should be to hold the matches at neutral venues and to take the responsibility of preparing the pitches out of the hands of a playing teams association.

  • Sanath on November 19, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    Aakash doesn't seem to have factored the nature of a pitch into the equation. A team batting on seemingly batsman-friendly pitches might gain more points than a team playing on sporty pitches.

  • amrit on November 19, 2012, 16:54 GMT

    looks gr8....not just for domestic crkt but how having something similar for international test crkt too

  • Tushant on November 19, 2012, 16:39 GMT

    I believe English county cricket has something similar in place already. Since on a flat track no score is safe from being overhauled, we cannot blame a team if they decide to bat on for 3 days and not give the second team a chance to take first innings lead. I was under the impression that Ranji trophy has a system to award points for matches where first inning is not completed for both the teams. But it seems that is only for deciding the knock out matches and not the league match. One of the simplest way to fix this would be include a run-rate and wicket decider for every match in which first innings wasn't completed for both teams. If the second team batting loses less number of wickets or scores at better run-rate at the end of match, they get the points for first innings lead. That would introduce a lot of fun in current matches.

  • Sukhwinder on November 19, 2012, 16:35 GMT

    Everything looks all right except the point regarding second innings batting:

    "There will only be three batting points available (first point at 125 runs and two more at subsequent 75 runs), but the points will be available only till the 60th over."

    To gain all three points, on a deterioration pitch, don't you think it'll be very difficult to score at run rate of 4.58?

  • Utkarsh Rampal on November 19, 2012, 15:50 GMT

    Awesome Article Sir , Spot on ! Amazing points system

  • Amit Mahajan - FCC on November 19, 2012, 15:31 GMT

    A great thought sir, But what about the games where the toss is really crucial?? I mean, a game where team batting first or team bowling first have an added advantage. Dont u think, it will affect the points scored?

  • sudhir sharma on November 19, 2012, 15:06 GMT

    Dear Mr Chopra according to me it is easy to say bt actualy not possible in this format of cricket b'coz it will make this format of cricket so complicated that one will start loos his interst instead of this new points system we should incerease 1 day more to get better results ,four days r nt enough to get every game result & in case of Draw only first inning high score team should be eligible for points . For Group c teams development in domestic cricket i think each team must have minimum two match fixtures should be with group A teams so that C group teams player will learn how to handle pressure against best players who are playing in those A groups.

  • Anonymous on November 19, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Akash, I have often suggested that all domenstic matches should be played at 90 overs an innings. That will ensure that these marathons are over and games will get over in 4 days in any case. The points you have suggested should come into play with this major change I feel.

  • Anonymous on November 19, 2012, 14:39 GMT

    Akash, I have often suggested that all domenstic matches should be played at 90 overs an innings. That will ensure that these marathons are over and games will get over in 4 days in any case. The points you have suggested should come into play with this major change I feel.

  • Sandeep on November 19, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    How about point system for grounds? Pitches which produce tonnes of runs to be penalized and the sporting pitches to be awarded extra benefits by the BCCI... Could be revolutionary!

  • BK Das on November 19, 2012, 14:29 GMT

    Not a bad idea. Also BCCI should look after the pitch. 25% of each flat, spinning, seaming and fast bouncy track should be prepared throughout the country. So that, the batsman as well as the bowlers get enough experience in various conditions. That will make sure that a international debutant will never face an unknown cricketing condition.

  • chandra shekar on November 19, 2012, 14:05 GMT

    really appriciated, yeah this is the best way to give the points because many teams just want to bat and score high and if their bowling is strong will take opponent and win by first innings lead.... Ur thought is good hope bcci implements it...good wishes

  • Venu on November 19, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    I belive england and south africa follow the similar point system. This would be good for the cricket and might get the viewership aswell.

  • Venu on November 19, 2012, 13:52 GMT

    I belive england and south africa follow the similar point system. This would be good for the cricket and might get the viewership aswell.

  • Arvind on November 19, 2012, 13:30 GMT

    The idea of batting and bowling points is a good one. In addition, how about this? 1. Stop calling a "win" as an "outright win", which makes a first innings lead appear like a win. 2. Remove points for first innings lead. Use it only as one of the tiebreaker criteria to decide the positions at the end of the league. 3. Reward bonus points for winning the game early. Say, 1 point for finishing before tea on final day, 3 for before lunch, 5 for finishing with 1 day left. This will encourage captains to get on with the game rather than continue batting till all eternity. 4. Ranji trophy final should be never decided based on first innings lead. If the game is not finished in time, both teams should be declared losers. This would have been an apt conclusion for last year's game where both teams did play like losers, especially Saxena and Chopra of Rajasthan. You know there's a problem when the score reads 404/2 at end of Day 2 on a flat pitch.

  • barmy army on November 19, 2012, 13:25 GMT

    really insightful. Aakash is a hell of a writer. if India can change their point system in domestic cricket and produce more sporting tracks, their domestic setup will be at par with county , aus-domestic. great job Mr Chopra.keep them coming.

  • barmy army on November 19, 2012, 13:24 GMT

    really insightful. Aakash is a hell of a writer. if India can change their point system in domestic cricket and produce more sporting tracks, their domestic setup will be at par with county , aus-domestic. great job Mr Chopra.keep them coming.

  • Sumit on November 19, 2012, 12:41 GMT

    Aptly put Aakash, a similar thing is also followed in the County games as far as I know. The details (how many overs, how many exact points, etc.) can be debated. What prevents you to suggest this to BCCI technical committee, or officials? Former and active players are the best judge on how the games can be more competitive, and also rewarding for both the players as well as the spectators.

    Kudos to such a thought!

  • Anurag on November 19, 2012, 12:24 GMT

    That is a very well written article, Akash. A lot of thought has been put into this article and I must say that if such a system is adopted by th BCCI it will certainly help Indian cricket. After all the current system isn't doing any good to our domestic sector. Also I hope that the pitches are made better both for bowling and batting. Strict action must be taken against the states that produce substandard pitches, perhaps something like reduction in the state's points can be a good method. Anyways congratulations on your move to Himachal and hope you continue to be successful!

  • SUndar on November 19, 2012, 12:22 GMT

    Looks good in theory ; but too complicated to understand and work out strategies-- across sport it is a proven fact that as long as points system are simple, game grows or maintains the current viewership---otherwise it will be dif for the followers of the game

  • Jitender Singh on November 19, 2012, 11:48 GMT

    Akash,

    I am not sure if it is fair to put in the over restrictions less than 180. Why not allow a team to score 425 in 180 overs on a tough wicket like Lahli?

    In my opinion in case of no first innings completion show there should be ZERO pts for host association.

    Following are my thoughts on point system: 1. Innings Win 10 Points. 2. Ten Wickets 9 Points. 3. Win 7 Points. 4 First Innings lead 3 points (One point less than half of win) 5 First Innings trail 2 points (Not much diff, so get the fear of losing on first innings go away) 6. No first innings completed (1 Point) 7. No first innings completed, host association with game complete (ZERO points)

    Batting Bonus: First Innings only. Your suggestion with 180 over limit. Bowling Bonus: FIrst Innings only. Your suggestion is fine.

  • Ritabrata on November 19, 2012, 10:29 GMT

    Excellent thought Akash!!I think this is similar to the county cricket point system.Hopefully it will be implemented here very soon....

  • Ritabrata on November 19, 2012, 10:28 GMT

    Excellent thought Akash!!I think this is similar to the county cricket point system.Hopefully it will be implemented here very soon....

  • Raghavan on November 19, 2012, 9:43 GMT

    Well written article.A beginning has been made in terms of encouraging teams to go for outright wins by giving 6 points for a win with a bonus for an innings or 10 wicket win and just 3 points for the first innings lead.If some teams don't learn the hard way,then as you said having batting and bowling points should be implemented.

  • Arpan on November 19, 2012, 9:28 GMT

    I think it will make the game a bit more interesting for sure But what if a team wins a very tight match say by 1 wicket to spare then in such a case the winning team will not be the only team to get points the looser will also gain some points

  • Jitesh Patil on November 19, 2012, 9:27 GMT

    Brilliant!

  • KBS Krishna on November 19, 2012, 6:46 GMT

    Good idea! But, Mr Chopra, why waste all that time typing it all up? You could have simply tweeted "Let's follow the points system followed in English County Cricket!" as what you have suggested is, barring cosmetic changes, the same as what is followed over there. However, I do love your idea that there ought to be five bowling points -- that aren't based on the number of overs bowled. That should make it interesting. But, and it is a big but, will the big wigs listen? Or will they act egoistic as usual and say "Hmm! Let's not copy the English. After all, we are no longer colonised. And batting long or meaningless matches is the Indian way of life."

  • Hitesh on November 19, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    Why the game duration shouldn't be changed to 5 days?

  • Ajith on November 19, 2012, 5:45 GMT

    Isn't this repeat of what you wrote a year back in a rival cricket site? What happened to the suggestions, did you get a chance to present them to the board or the Ganguly led Technical committee?

  • Prakash Krishnagiri on November 19, 2012, 5:30 GMT

    Good Suggestion. AC knows better not only because he has paid domestic cricket for a long time but also played out "Bat as long as you can" and secured Ranji Trophy titles for Rajasthan. If a Team wins a game they could be given 5 points for it and if they win by an innings they could be given an additional 5 points. This way even teams which lose closely in few games can still catch up.

    Surely, it is a good thought of AC, worth debating. But is anyone listening?

  • VC on November 19, 2012, 5:09 GMT

    Too complicated.

  • Dinesh on November 19, 2012, 5:07 GMT

    Need unique pitches to introduce this system

  • Puneeth Shetty on November 19, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    Hopefully BCCI goes through and consider it from next season...

  • Puneeth Shetty on November 19, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    Hopefully BCCI goes through and consider it from next season...

  • Pramod MJ on November 19, 2012, 4:46 GMT

    How does your points system counter a match like, Team A 700/5 dec in 200 overs , Team B 420 for 9 in 160 overs (Team A played defensively initially ensuring Team B reached 350 only after 125 overs).. Thus Team A gets 9 points and Team B gets 5 points. A weak team would still take it.

    So, it should be better to to have something like, in a 360 over match a team's first innings should not be allowed to go beyond 125 overs, right?

  • Thinker on November 19, 2012, 3:19 GMT

    I do not support the idea of scoring at a prescribed run rate..This would instill a sense of aggressiveness which is seen a plenty in the national team. Test cricket demands patience and the idea of scoring isnt that great.

  • RamSharat Reddy on November 19, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    the point system looks good but this is possible only when the pitches are good and there is an fair share b/w bat and ball! this point system wil work for a short time, not on a longer run. Ex: in case of bowling 2 wkts taken is one point but how many matches have the teams been bowled out in the last round fixture? Thats sums it up! it's a graveyard for bowlers and paradise for batsman...scoring a triple century is far easier than taking a 5 wkt haul! Finally SPORTIVE pitches with this point system wil be the best for ranji trophy!!!

  • RamSharat Reddy on November 19, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    the point system looks good but this is possible only when the pitches are good and there is an fair share b/w bat and ball! this point system wil work for a short time, not on a longer run. Ex: in case of bowling 2 wkts taken is one point but how many matches have the teams been bowled out in the last round fixture? Thats sums it up! it's a graveyard for bowlers and paradise for batsman...scoring a triple century is far easier than taking a 5 wkt haul! Finally SPORTIVE pitches with this point system wil be the best for ranji trophy!!!

  • Siraj khan on November 19, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    Sir, its a very good suggestion. I, personally, liked it but don't u think we need to bring somes changes in these ALWAYS BATTING FRIENDLY pitches also and as soon as possible. The only fast pitch I've seen in India(in domestics) is of Lahli, Rohtak in Haryana.

  • Amjad on November 19, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    i'm a srilankan but hav to say that this system is realy worthwhile trying! It wil bring crowds and make the games more competitive. Bt i thnk 425 should be extended to 450 with 130 overs just for the teams with stronger bating lineups to be satisfied. All in all gud article to folow for all countries :)

  • Raj on November 19, 2012, 2:51 GMT

    Excellent read and should be seriously considered by BCCI and also for ICC if they are serious about the Test championship.

  • ssasidha on November 18, 2012, 21:53 GMT

    The suggested way is good in one way, but not all pitches are good enough for this, and there comes the technical challenge for a batsman. Look at how Cook batted out the session. Its really good to see batsman showing real technical genius in the defense as well, but with the proposed system, there will always be a mental pressure on the batsman to score runs, than to hold the end. This is good when you have one-days.

  • Arjun on November 18, 2012, 18:34 GMT

    Aakash, I admire your enthusiasm and love the fact that you're taking the initiative to help improve our domestic system. But the point system you've described is too complicated and is not representative of how international test matches are played. This will also dampen any hopes of getting better pitches. Pitches are the numero uno cause for such ridiculous games as Maharashtra vs UP. We don't want batting teams to be penalized for scoring more than 425 runs if they can do so on sporting pitches. We don't want to incentivize the mediocre bowlers (mediocre even on sporting pitches) with cheap wickets if the batting team makes mistakes trying to increase the run rate... Test cricket is not about run rates. With the amount of money the BCCI has, it can fund research projects around the world to help find ways to get more sporting pitches. It can bring in raw materials from other countries to make bouncier or seaming pitches. Rank turners are also important.

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  • Arjun on November 18, 2012, 18:34 GMT

    Aakash, I admire your enthusiasm and love the fact that you're taking the initiative to help improve our domestic system. But the point system you've described is too complicated and is not representative of how international test matches are played. This will also dampen any hopes of getting better pitches. Pitches are the numero uno cause for such ridiculous games as Maharashtra vs UP. We don't want batting teams to be penalized for scoring more than 425 runs if they can do so on sporting pitches. We don't want to incentivize the mediocre bowlers (mediocre even on sporting pitches) with cheap wickets if the batting team makes mistakes trying to increase the run rate... Test cricket is not about run rates. With the amount of money the BCCI has, it can fund research projects around the world to help find ways to get more sporting pitches. It can bring in raw materials from other countries to make bouncier or seaming pitches. Rank turners are also important.

  • ssasidha on November 18, 2012, 21:53 GMT

    The suggested way is good in one way, but not all pitches are good enough for this, and there comes the technical challenge for a batsman. Look at how Cook batted out the session. Its really good to see batsman showing real technical genius in the defense as well, but with the proposed system, there will always be a mental pressure on the batsman to score runs, than to hold the end. This is good when you have one-days.

  • Raj on November 19, 2012, 2:51 GMT

    Excellent read and should be seriously considered by BCCI and also for ICC if they are serious about the Test championship.

  • Amjad on November 19, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    i'm a srilankan but hav to say that this system is realy worthwhile trying! It wil bring crowds and make the games more competitive. Bt i thnk 425 should be extended to 450 with 130 overs just for the teams with stronger bating lineups to be satisfied. All in all gud article to folow for all countries :)

  • Siraj khan on November 19, 2012, 2:59 GMT

    Sir, its a very good suggestion. I, personally, liked it but don't u think we need to bring somes changes in these ALWAYS BATTING FRIENDLY pitches also and as soon as possible. The only fast pitch I've seen in India(in domestics) is of Lahli, Rohtak in Haryana.

  • RamSharat Reddy on November 19, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    the point system looks good but this is possible only when the pitches are good and there is an fair share b/w bat and ball! this point system wil work for a short time, not on a longer run. Ex: in case of bowling 2 wkts taken is one point but how many matches have the teams been bowled out in the last round fixture? Thats sums it up! it's a graveyard for bowlers and paradise for batsman...scoring a triple century is far easier than taking a 5 wkt haul! Finally SPORTIVE pitches with this point system wil be the best for ranji trophy!!!

  • RamSharat Reddy on November 19, 2012, 3:15 GMT

    the point system looks good but this is possible only when the pitches are good and there is an fair share b/w bat and ball! this point system wil work for a short time, not on a longer run. Ex: in case of bowling 2 wkts taken is one point but how many matches have the teams been bowled out in the last round fixture? Thats sums it up! it's a graveyard for bowlers and paradise for batsman...scoring a triple century is far easier than taking a 5 wkt haul! Finally SPORTIVE pitches with this point system wil be the best for ranji trophy!!!

  • Thinker on November 19, 2012, 3:19 GMT

    I do not support the idea of scoring at a prescribed run rate..This would instill a sense of aggressiveness which is seen a plenty in the national team. Test cricket demands patience and the idea of scoring isnt that great.

  • Pramod MJ on November 19, 2012, 4:46 GMT

    How does your points system counter a match like, Team A 700/5 dec in 200 overs , Team B 420 for 9 in 160 overs (Team A played defensively initially ensuring Team B reached 350 only after 125 overs).. Thus Team A gets 9 points and Team B gets 5 points. A weak team would still take it.

    So, it should be better to to have something like, in a 360 over match a team's first innings should not be allowed to go beyond 125 overs, right?

  • Puneeth Shetty on November 19, 2012, 5:05 GMT

    Hopefully BCCI goes through and consider it from next season...