Spot-fixing controversy January 10, 2011

Differences between Butt and Asif grow

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Growing differences between Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif in the spot-fixing hearings in Doha, Qatar appear to have given rise to the acknowledgment that wrongdoing was committed during the Lord's Test last summer, but that complicity in the act and blame for it have not yet been settled.

The pair, along with Mohammad Amir, have pleaded not guilty to charges of bowling deliberate no-balls in the fourth Test against England, allegedly at the behest of player-agent Mazhar Majeed. But on day five of the hearing, during which Asif presented his defence and was then cross-examined by ICC lawyers, the explanations of why a no-ball was bowled suggest that it was the result of a direct or indirect instruction from Butt.

It has slowly become clear over the course of the hearing that the equation between how Butt and Asif defended themselves in particular was going to be pivotal in the case. In his opening statement, Asif is believed to have said that the no-ball came about because of the extra effort required to bowl a faster ball as instructed by Butt, who was captain at the time.

As a result, Butt was questioned by Asif's lawyer, Alexander Cameron, during his defence earlier in the hearing; in turn, on Monday, Butt's lawyer Yasin Patel questioned Asif. Amir on the other hand was not questioned by either of the other players' lawyers.

There is a suggestion that Butt wasn't in the courtroom, on the 12th floor of the Qatar Financial Centre, during Asif's questioning. As has been the case through the week, the players arrived separately; Asif was the first to do so and the last to leave.

Given that the possibility of deliberate wrongdoing is strengthened through the interplay between Butt and Asif, the situation does not appear too bright for the players. The probability that the ICC, which is keen to establish its credentials as a body with zero tolerance for corruption, will push for harsh sanctions must be high. As Pakistan's captain at the time, Butt faces the possibility of the sternest sanctions.

He was under cross-examination for the longest period of the three players and one witness' statements in particular are thought to have hurt his case. Equally, stern action against Asif and Amir cannot be discounted if guilt is established, even though the latter's youth and unblemished disciplinary record might provide mitigating circumstances.

After Asif's cross-examination, the ICC began its closing statements. On Wednesday the players will deliver their closing statements. Thereafter the tribunal of Michael Beloff QC, Albie Sachs and Sharad Rao is expected to deliberate over the judgment. There is no indication yet whether a judgment and verdict will be made public on Tuesday or whether they decide to reserve the judgment till later.

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • Keralite10 on January 12, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    All pakistan cric fans and patriots, being patriotic doesn't mean you can speak rubbish. How is ICC going to benefit if they delay the tribunal. Pakistan cannot play these three talented players, they are not gonna win with the WC anyway. If pakistan doesn't win this WC, how does ICC benefit from it. ICC will not deliberately delay the tribunal so that these players cannot play the WC. That is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • cricket_fan_1 on January 12, 2011, 12:16 GMT

    Please spare a thought for Danish Kaneria. We have a pak player suspended by PCB for not doing anything wrong.

  • on January 12, 2011, 11:41 GMT

    @Pratik_Vodka? Really? Were the records of gibbs/cronje/azhar/jadeja/samuels banned? Your comments are more ridiculous

  • Pratik_vodka on January 12, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    Some comments just are so pathetic that its unbelievable, if found guilty not only they should be banned but a bigger punishment is to remove them completely from cricketing books. None of their achievements should be reflected in any score card / record book. Even if Aamir and Asif or even Butt some how manage to come back in the game they should start with 0 matches 0 runs 0 wickets in their performance card. They should be making debuts. Cause nothing hurts cricketer more than knowing none of your performances can ever be remembered.

  • inswing on January 11, 2011, 17:20 GMT

    Prediction: Butt will be banned for lifetime or effective cricketing lifetime. Asif and Amir will be suspended for 1-2 years. Part of the suspension is already served, to they could be back in business soon. I could be wrong, of course, but Butt is dispensable and by banning him, ICC can look "tough" and can talk about "zero tolerance." Although Asif and Amir are also guilty, Pak badly needs them to play and ICC would want to keep star young cricketers. They will forget about zero tolerance, and say that Asif and Amir are less guilty because they operated on captain's instructions, so they just get a slap on the wrist.

  • Stark62 on January 11, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    I knew it.........

    It's official that the date for the out come of the tribunal will be postponed til 5th FEB!

    They definitely didn't want those three playing in Pak team cuz we could have had a chance of winning the WC. They already missed out on the initial 30 man squad but now they have postponed it so, they never get a look in the 15 man squad!

    Also, is notw psychic that they knew majeed would be right so, they filmed him?

    If I claimed something like that would they film me with their spy cam?

  • LordOfCric on January 11, 2011, 16:56 GMT

    These three will resume their careers after world cup... This spot fixing issue is nothing but a bogus case against Pak Top Players.. Why is it happenening to Pak right before the mega event? Same thing happened to Asif and shoaib b4 Champions trophy when both were unplayable.... This case can be solve within a month, but delaying it simply showing that ICC doesnt want them to participate in the World Cup.......

  • on January 11, 2011, 16:54 GMT

    Asif and Aamer really need to play for Pakistan, we are hopeless without. I don't care about anything else, but Amir atleast must play. There is too much talent to waste in these two.

  • Roger_Allott on January 11, 2011, 15:01 GMT

    The case is certainly not nonsense, although the dual nature of the ICC in it means that there has to be an opportunity for any of the three who are punished to appeal to the International Court of Arbitration for Sports. That is absolutely proper and is the same in almost every sport. In football, if an incident happens that's worthy of punishment, the Premier League is first up to allocate blame and award penalties. If that is unsatisfactory, UEFA and/or FIFA can get involved, with the International Court of Arbitration for Sports being the ultimate arbiter as necessary.

  • ilaam on January 11, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    i really want 2 see amir and asif pair back in pakistan test team.cos tere is no match 2 tis pair in current test cricket

  • Keralite10 on January 12, 2011, 17:56 GMT

    All pakistan cric fans and patriots, being patriotic doesn't mean you can speak rubbish. How is ICC going to benefit if they delay the tribunal. Pakistan cannot play these three talented players, they are not gonna win with the WC anyway. If pakistan doesn't win this WC, how does ICC benefit from it. ICC will not deliberately delay the tribunal so that these players cannot play the WC. That is rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • cricket_fan_1 on January 12, 2011, 12:16 GMT

    Please spare a thought for Danish Kaneria. We have a pak player suspended by PCB for not doing anything wrong.

  • on January 12, 2011, 11:41 GMT

    @Pratik_Vodka? Really? Were the records of gibbs/cronje/azhar/jadeja/samuels banned? Your comments are more ridiculous

  • Pratik_vodka on January 12, 2011, 10:34 GMT

    Some comments just are so pathetic that its unbelievable, if found guilty not only they should be banned but a bigger punishment is to remove them completely from cricketing books. None of their achievements should be reflected in any score card / record book. Even if Aamir and Asif or even Butt some how manage to come back in the game they should start with 0 matches 0 runs 0 wickets in their performance card. They should be making debuts. Cause nothing hurts cricketer more than knowing none of your performances can ever be remembered.

  • inswing on January 11, 2011, 17:20 GMT

    Prediction: Butt will be banned for lifetime or effective cricketing lifetime. Asif and Amir will be suspended for 1-2 years. Part of the suspension is already served, to they could be back in business soon. I could be wrong, of course, but Butt is dispensable and by banning him, ICC can look "tough" and can talk about "zero tolerance." Although Asif and Amir are also guilty, Pak badly needs them to play and ICC would want to keep star young cricketers. They will forget about zero tolerance, and say that Asif and Amir are less guilty because they operated on captain's instructions, so they just get a slap on the wrist.

  • Stark62 on January 11, 2011, 17:08 GMT

    I knew it.........

    It's official that the date for the out come of the tribunal will be postponed til 5th FEB!

    They definitely didn't want those three playing in Pak team cuz we could have had a chance of winning the WC. They already missed out on the initial 30 man squad but now they have postponed it so, they never get a look in the 15 man squad!

    Also, is notw psychic that they knew majeed would be right so, they filmed him?

    If I claimed something like that would they film me with their spy cam?

  • LordOfCric on January 11, 2011, 16:56 GMT

    These three will resume their careers after world cup... This spot fixing issue is nothing but a bogus case against Pak Top Players.. Why is it happenening to Pak right before the mega event? Same thing happened to Asif and shoaib b4 Champions trophy when both were unplayable.... This case can be solve within a month, but delaying it simply showing that ICC doesnt want them to participate in the World Cup.......

  • on January 11, 2011, 16:54 GMT

    Asif and Aamer really need to play for Pakistan, we are hopeless without. I don't care about anything else, but Amir atleast must play. There is too much talent to waste in these two.

  • Roger_Allott on January 11, 2011, 15:01 GMT

    The case is certainly not nonsense, although the dual nature of the ICC in it means that there has to be an opportunity for any of the three who are punished to appeal to the International Court of Arbitration for Sports. That is absolutely proper and is the same in almost every sport. In football, if an incident happens that's worthy of punishment, the Premier League is first up to allocate blame and award penalties. If that is unsatisfactory, UEFA and/or FIFA can get involved, with the International Court of Arbitration for Sports being the ultimate arbiter as necessary.

  • ilaam on January 11, 2011, 14:41 GMT

    i really want 2 see amir and asif pair back in pakistan test team.cos tere is no match 2 tis pair in current test cricket

  • whereis.mykake on January 11, 2011, 14:32 GMT

    what is punishment for stealing a bread? cut one hand?

    then what should be punishment for breaking the trust of at least 150 million pak people? Why are we even talking about punishment like ban?

    As a cricket fans I take guilt for not doing work or family responsibilities just to watch their sport idols and we get this? Cheating? Breaking our heart? conspiracy?

  • aa61761 on January 11, 2011, 14:09 GMT

    This case is an absolute nonsense. Here ICC is the plaintiff and ICC is also the judge. No justice can be delivered in this case. This is a mistrial. All three players should go the International Court of Arbitration for Sports and sue ICC.

  • the_predator on January 11, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    It seems that everyone thinks that AMIR is a kid. Wait he is 18 years old! he is matured enough to know that, if he is taking money to bowl a no ball deliberately he is commiting a crime. Also there is no mandate on a bowler to commit a crime on instruction from captain. If captain asks him to kill someone will he do it? Although I like him very much, but if proven guilty he also needs to be punished severely. This is the correct time to eradicate the rot in pakistan cricket and make the future clean. If these players are late off in stead of being punished in a exemplary fashion for any reason, then in future pakistani cricket will be in even more danger. If PCB would have acted in nineties properly then these things would not happen.

    ASIF should be banned for life. He is the same person who was causgh in a gulf country airport with BANNED drug. he does not deseve a place in cricketing freternity

  • on January 11, 2011, 13:55 GMT

    I am an Indian supporter. But i want to see AMeer to be in action. He is having multiple cricket talent and can be one more wasim Akram in Pakistan Cricket. His capabilities should not be wasted.

  • ROLAYH on January 11, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    What happens to the verdict it was supposed to be out in the afternoon... what taking them so long???? :-S

  • LoveTheGame on January 11, 2011, 13:50 GMT

    Prash Ganen, when was a press release issued in this case? Waht is your reference to legal system. It is abunduntly clear that news are being leaked out for proceedings that are supposed to be confidential. Obviously cricketers are not speaking against themselves then who is the one who is telling that Butt is in difficulty because of statement from a witness? Use common sense buddy, don't act intellectual without knowing the subject.

  • on January 11, 2011, 13:26 GMT

    I totally agree with Pa-Ross-Karanraj. We need good bowlers to produce good batsmen. World cricket needs M Amir.Well said mate!!!

  • on January 11, 2011, 13:12 GMT

    I do not want favors for any one. But I heard that there were certain indian and sri lankan players against whom allegations of match fixing surfaced, and that too after after this trio was implicated by the notorious NOTW sting operation.

    The issue of Indian and SL players, against whom, it is alleged, evidence was available was silently swept under the carpet. Then there is the talk of the T20 between ZIM and WI that was supposedly fixed.

    Why Just Target Pakistan? Why not these players? players who confessed to and I am saying CONFESSED to taking money from bookies from australian and SOuth AFrican Teams were not dealt with harshly by the ICC. But again Its Pakistan. No I am not crying foul. I am not trying to say that ICC is being racist. I am just trying to force myself to laud ICC for its efforts to eradicate corruption from the game.

    Bravo ICC.

  • gestapo on January 11, 2011, 12:47 GMT

    asif and aamir are super talented,,but they cannot be let off just with a warning or a temporary ban which i strongly feel is going to happen,,stringent action needs to be taken,,salman butt is not so special a player that pak relies hugely on him,,and he being the captain and the big fish must be handed a life ban as he was the first one to be approached and has driven these thoughts into the minds of the other two.

  • on January 11, 2011, 12:43 GMT

    Liars and cheats should be banned....for 5 years atleast if not life

  • on January 11, 2011, 12:31 GMT

    Amir should play in the WC if cleared...such talent should not go waste...

  • ABKD on January 11, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    Wish to see Amir and Asif pair Back...

  • on January 11, 2011, 12:02 GMT

    Want to see both Asif and Amir Back.

  • on January 11, 2011, 11:35 GMT

    Let the 18 year old boy Aamir play, please! Ban the other two old horses, they should have known better!

    Many Indians like me would love to see Aamir back in action. He is a genuine talent!

  • on January 11, 2011, 11:17 GMT

    LoveTheGame you clearly dont know how the legal system and press releases work

  • ps_world on January 11, 2011, 8:25 GMT

    Guys even though I am an Indian supporter. But still I would love to see Aamer back. He was a gem of talent and had capabilities to match the likes of Wasim and Imran. Frankly I don't care about Butt and would love Asif to be banned for life after all his previous misadventures. Trust me Asif is not going to improve, even if he is let off.

  • on January 11, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    Amir is a real star and i hope he will get a clean cheat in this case.coz i want to see him on cricket field forsure not in the courtroom. I really don't care about Asif and Butt they have done something which is not exceptable in any manner.

  • on January 11, 2011, 7:53 GMT

    i pray to see Aamir in action asap.

  • on January 11, 2011, 7:24 GMT

    If they have done anything, they should be punished! That would be an excellent outcome for the future of the game and its credibility on Pakistan!

  • anver777 on January 11, 2011, 7:22 GMT

    Wrong doings in any sport cannot be tolerated,so have a through inquiry & "FIX" the matter for ever...... it will be a good lesson for others too !!!!!!

  • Haleos on January 11, 2011, 7:19 GMT

    @Rakim - So all you guys supporting these players care is the performance of your team. Why they did is to be overlooked because either they r kids or important to the team.

  • Prats6 on January 11, 2011, 7:06 GMT

    I am a big Amir fan. But its amply clear the no balls were deliberate, even if as directed by Butt, All 3 should be awarded a life ban, plain and simple.

  • Samar_Singh on January 11, 2011, 7:05 GMT

    unless ICC and the particular nation gives proper salary and match fee for international player these things are bound to be repeated again and again ... i feel sorry for these guys... Money talks ..

  • Ibaad1 on January 11, 2011, 7:05 GMT

    Sincerely hope that the panel maintains a high standard, standards of any highly reputed court, and that the judgments are passed based mostly on "direct evidence" rather than "circumstantial evidence" ... If they are being declared guilty, it should be done only because "very" clear evidence was present which suggested so... Still wishing against the odds that they are exonerated!!!!

  • drsreeraj on January 11, 2011, 7:04 GMT

    kick the 3 out for life, otherwise there will be no credibility for the game.. letting these go will make a bad precedence..also that will keep others may be itching to bowl no balls or drop some catches in check....

  • Khan_Asad on January 11, 2011, 6:54 GMT

    If Aamir is cleared and ready to play in the WC11, and I also urge PCB to think about getting Imran Nazir Back in the Squad, I have no idea what in the hell are they thinking..

    The team should present like this: Imran Nazir Kamran Akmal Younis Khan Muhammad Yousef Umar Akmal Misbah-Ul-Haq/Rana Naveed Abdul Razzak Shahid Afridi Muhammad Aamir Shoaib Akhtar Saeed Ajmal

  • on January 11, 2011, 6:48 GMT

    Honestly.......i believe there is more to it than it appears.............I am sure everyone feels Pakistani players are most gilluble and soft targets...........I feel all 3 players if found guilty shud be punished alongwith other whos names are not mentioned or known but eventually if known shud be punished..............I personally fell this wrongdoing is done not only by Pakistani players but others worldwide too. Hope this opens a pandoras box.............

  • Aasim_Waheed on January 11, 2011, 6:47 GMT

    We are missing Amir. I hope he will be cleared and will be playing WC 2011

  • on January 11, 2011, 6:44 GMT

    Would like to see Aamir playing WC11

  • LoveTheGame on January 11, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    When the proceedings are behind closed doors, how comw Cricinfo is getting all this information. Should ICC be blamed for systematically building up an environment agaiinst the players.

  • on January 11, 2011, 6:33 GMT

    Neither do I Rakim, I don't care about neither Sulman butt nor Mohammad Asif. All I care about is for Aamir, I hope he will get through out from this situation. Best of Luck to him. But if he really did something wrong then we do have a lot of talent.

  • ABRAR-JANJUA on January 11, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    If both Amir and Asif deliberately bowled no balls on instructions of Butt,Then you can't blame the Players as they have to follow the captain's instructions and orders.Anyway, let see what will happen next..!

  • Crazy4cricket40 on January 11, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    @ Neutral Fan, I think its Waqar's statement. @ Rakim, I also only care about Amir..Hope he can play WC2011, however love to c all back.

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:56 GMT

    @_NEUTRAL_Fan: It is obvious. It was coach Waqar Younis statement that he was so surprised to see no-ball from Amir with his foot so much far outside the line that Waqar inquired Amir when the team was in dressing room and before Amir said anything, Butt came forward and said that he told Amir to do so to disturb the batsman.

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:52 GMT

    If found guilty, then all 3 must be life banned, there is no point in considering their age.

  • krajeev on January 11, 2011, 5:32 GMT

    None of these three will be featuring in the world cup. What a waste. Maybe not.

  • amit1807kuwait on January 11, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    @Rakim - it would be better if Amir also does not play provided he is found guilty. Its best to weed out corruption from the game.

  • Faizan-Ul-Haq-Fareedi on January 11, 2011, 5:18 GMT

    No Chance For Jusdgment today they will delay...

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:11 GMT

    I wish to see Asif n Aamir back for WC11. They r the key bowlers for PAK.

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:10 GMT

    Right now, the only one I care about his Amir. Because he is the future. For God's sake, he's just 18! He didn't know what he was doing even if he is guilty. Let the kid play.

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    Amir shud be given a chance coz he has misguided by butt n asif...hope he'll get away from this case...n will play for Pakistan...InshaAllah

  • on January 11, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    please explain what tells you that the no ball was instructed.. if the statement is still that the no ball was thanks to the extra effort how have things changed?

  • hasib9 on January 11, 2011, 4:56 GMT

    i don't wish to see these players back at all, if they are guilty.. didn't they know the consequences when they were letting their country down just for a few bucks? they should be banned for life from all forms of recognized cricket to prevent this kind of idiots from ever doing this.. Pakistan is doing fine without them

  • 123451 on January 11, 2011, 4:13 GMT

    100 out of 100 for Rakim, Amir is the only guy whom we should feel sorry for, and hope he is released for the WC. even if the other two are eligible, they won't make it to the final eleven. with Gul, Razzaq, Akhtar and Ajmal available, only Amir is needed and can make it, there is no space for Asif. and batting is also packed, they can only place all there capable middle order batsmen is to open with Kamran and having in mind that Hafeez will be there undoubtedly, Butt is alo out. Also Asif has been too many times in scandals to be forgiven and get back to the side. and But totally never was as valuable that we should think of him. only Amir was amature and that's what others have benefited, he should be forgiven.

  • Oz_Plonka on January 11, 2011, 4:05 GMT

    I sincerely hope that the ICC bans these players permanently if they're found guilty. It is high time ICC clamps down on such nefarious activities and send out a message loud and clear that corruption does not pay. Asif is a repeat offender and he should also be slapped with substantial fines.

  • on January 11, 2011, 3:12 GMT

    If these players are guilty, i hope their fans support their ban and never support them again

  • on January 11, 2011, 2:37 GMT

    I hope Amir wil be back. Don't care acout Butt or Asif.

  • khalidnazim on January 11, 2011, 2:18 GMT

    Even if Salman Butt asked them to bowl no balls, none of the 3 players are guilty. Its not illegal for captain to ask his bowler to do that. Even if the money found in the players room was from Mazher, the players are not guilty. Mazher is their agent and financial transaction between agents and players is not illegal. Even the video shown by NOTW does NOT prove any guilt. The only proof that is valid in this is for ICC to prove that the NOTW video showing Mazher making the claims about the no ball prediction was made BEFORE the actual event. And this proof must be forensically provable and not based on hotel receipts or witness reports. I can make a video about any cricket event after fact, post it online and say that I influenced the decision. Salman, Aamer and Asif are Not Guilty until proven Guilty conclusively.

  • on January 11, 2011, 2:17 GMT

    Agree with Rakim. Best outcome for cricket, though sad for Butt and Asif, would probably be 1 year ban for Amir, 5 year bans for Butt and Asif.

    Probably also the most likely outcome.

  • on January 11, 2011, 1:59 GMT

    I don't care about Butt n Asif....I just want Amir to play WC11....

  • IAS2009 on January 11, 2011, 1:39 GMT

    if there is any evidence of involvement they all should be punished. Amir is not special even at 18 if is up to level of playing cricket he should know enough about spot fixing, everyone try become millionaire overnight, there is so much money in cricket legally why would these people involve in these kind of activities. Asif has played innocence so many times and I feel sick of his playing dumb now. these guys belong in CASINO and should play there. Save Pakistan Cricket from these players or any one like them, team is better off loosing every game rather them loosing because of them on purpose.

  • Pa-Ross-Karanraj on January 11, 2011, 1:32 GMT

    Being an Indian fan (I am sure many indian fans will concur with me here) I so wish that Amir does follow AKram's footsteps. Because he is young and has been misguided and lured into getting rich quick at the cost of integrity and national pride, he must earn his way back by hard work and doing time away from cricket. I say 1-2 year. You need great bowlers to produce great batsmen. We have yet to see replacements of Akram, yunis, warne, mcgrath, kumble and so forth. Cricket will need few fast bowlers ( left arm bowlers) to flourish and Amir can be one of the very few gems taking cricket into this decade.

  • Happy_AusBang on January 11, 2011, 1:13 GMT

    Nothing to be sad about. These players are bad for Pak cricket. I have no sympathy at all for Butt, not much for Asif either who has a blemished character. Perhaps Aamer could be treated with a little bit of leniency considering his age and also I doubt he understands the full extent of what he got involved in.

  • capaso on January 11, 2011, 1:02 GMT

    ICC must send out a strong message to all players that, corruption/gambling will not be tolerated. If they prove guilty. They all should be banned for a good time.

  • gpuck on January 11, 2011, 1:01 GMT

    That would be a slap on the face of all cricket fans if any of these three are allowed to play for their country. There HAS to be no-tolerance to create an example for others.Any leniency it such a delicate case could result in loss of faith amongst fans.For God's sake, this is a sport not politics.

  • AverageJoe2 on January 11, 2011, 0:58 GMT

    The ICC will have to take the appropriate action if it is to come out of this with any creditability. Indeed the reputation of the game of cricket worldwide is at stake so this talk of wanting to see the players back for the world cup 2011 is mindless and irresponsible. If found guilty(and it looks likely) all three including Amir deserve a ban otherwise I will always question the legitimacy of a no ball, dropped catch, fall of a wicket etc and that my friend will kill the game for me and i suspect many others. Dont worry pak fans Amir will be back (once a lesson has been learnt) the question is when!!

  • ismack on January 11, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    As difficult as it is, Pakistan cricket fans have to separate emotions from a rational, long term view of this situation. It's clear that Pakistan cricket's commercial viability is at stake here. In order for Pakistan cricket team to draw the kind of crowds, fan following and attention that they have enjoyed through-out the years, the team and the game they play must be perceived as clean and fair. Under that context, it's critical that all 3 of the accused are punished appropriately, if found guilty. Yes, the punishments should be determined by the circumstances and personal precedents of each individual player, but they should all be punished if they are found guilty. Equally as important, is the creditability of the ICC. It's critical that these hearings are transparent, and the larger cricketing audience understands the reasoning, and evidence (or lack of) for whatever the decision is. Anything short will lead to rumor and innuendo, neither of which is good for the game.

  • on January 11, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    All I care about is M.Amir. I just hope he comes out clean and start playing for Pakistan again soon.

  • ghazanfar23 on January 10, 2011, 23:31 GMT

    I am a die hard pakistan fan. If they are guilty then Asif and Butt should be punished by an indefinite ban. Amir who is very young cannot be completely blamed as he was under the influence of the captain. I wud ban Amir for one year which will be a gud lesson for him. Beleive it or not but in the long run these bans will be gud for Pakistan cricket. Just look at how our B team won against the black caps in the 1st test. It shows that if we play with honesty then we are a descent force.

  • on January 10, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    Some of the details are confidential.

  • Ozcricketwriter on January 10, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    Asif is only saying he was asked to bowl a fast ball, not a no ball. Big difference. There's no confession of wrongdoing.

  • on January 10, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    I just want butt and amir back for the world cup dont really care much about asif but he comes handy in test matches..

  • Lachrymose on January 10, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    i would also agree that this is a pretty vague situation. not a lot of significance has been reveled here, but all i hope is that Amir is saved, and that he plays for Pakistan in the WC 2011.

  • Rakim on January 10, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    Honestly, I don't care what happens to these two. All I care about is Amir, I hope they let him play WC11.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on January 10, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    The reports of this hearing are very vague. A more detailed report would be much more informative. For example, which witness "hurt Butt's case"? What did they say?

  • on January 10, 2011, 21:50 GMT

    so sad...wish 2 c these players back..

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  • on January 10, 2011, 21:50 GMT

    so sad...wish 2 c these players back..

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on January 10, 2011, 21:54 GMT

    The reports of this hearing are very vague. A more detailed report would be much more informative. For example, which witness "hurt Butt's case"? What did they say?

  • Rakim on January 10, 2011, 22:21 GMT

    Honestly, I don't care what happens to these two. All I care about is Amir, I hope they let him play WC11.

  • Lachrymose on January 10, 2011, 23:01 GMT

    i would also agree that this is a pretty vague situation. not a lot of significance has been reveled here, but all i hope is that Amir is saved, and that he plays for Pakistan in the WC 2011.

  • on January 10, 2011, 23:12 GMT

    I just want butt and amir back for the world cup dont really care much about asif but he comes handy in test matches..

  • Ozcricketwriter on January 10, 2011, 23:24 GMT

    Asif is only saying he was asked to bowl a fast ball, not a no ball. Big difference. There's no confession of wrongdoing.

  • on January 10, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    Some of the details are confidential.

  • ghazanfar23 on January 10, 2011, 23:31 GMT

    I am a die hard pakistan fan. If they are guilty then Asif and Butt should be punished by an indefinite ban. Amir who is very young cannot be completely blamed as he was under the influence of the captain. I wud ban Amir for one year which will be a gud lesson for him. Beleive it or not but in the long run these bans will be gud for Pakistan cricket. Just look at how our B team won against the black caps in the 1st test. It shows that if we play with honesty then we are a descent force.

  • on January 11, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    All I care about is M.Amir. I just hope he comes out clean and start playing for Pakistan again soon.

  • ismack on January 11, 2011, 0:24 GMT

    As difficult as it is, Pakistan cricket fans have to separate emotions from a rational, long term view of this situation. It's clear that Pakistan cricket's commercial viability is at stake here. In order for Pakistan cricket team to draw the kind of crowds, fan following and attention that they have enjoyed through-out the years, the team and the game they play must be perceived as clean and fair. Under that context, it's critical that all 3 of the accused are punished appropriately, if found guilty. Yes, the punishments should be determined by the circumstances and personal precedents of each individual player, but they should all be punished if they are found guilty. Equally as important, is the creditability of the ICC. It's critical that these hearings are transparent, and the larger cricketing audience understands the reasoning, and evidence (or lack of) for whatever the decision is. Anything short will lead to rumor and innuendo, neither of which is good for the game.