England news July 12, 2014

The footage that makes Steven Finn believe

Steven Finn has told of the gradual rebuilding of his cricketing career in his first interview for the written media since his traumatic tour of Australia
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On February 24, 2010, England Lions played a one-day match against Pakistan A in Dubai. Not many people noticed. One cannot even imagine anyone who played or watched the game harking back to it: except for Steven Finn.

The game contained what he regards as his perfect delivery; a simple distillation of the virtues - bounce, pace and a sliver of away movement - that make him a bowler of rare potential. It is a clip he has since watched avidly.

To the casual observer, Finn recognises, it might not merit a second look. "It's just a front-on of me bowling at the big stadium in Dubai Sports City and getting Mohammad Hafeez caught at first slip."

To Finn himself, searching for the memory of when he was regarded as one of the finest young fast bowlers in the world, it is more than that. "It was just easy flowing - a bouncy, flowing run-up to the crease - there was a slight delay when I got to the crease and then everything moved. All my energy came through towards the batsman down the wicket and it just left him from off stump and he nicked it to first slip.

"So that's the image."

Finn would be the first to concede that it is not an image that England fans have been well acquainted with recently. Ordinarily, his lack of involvement in the calamity of an Ashes whitewash would have guaranteed him the chance of an England recall. Instead, his bowling had regressed by the end of the series to the point where he was deemed unselectable, culminating in the ignominy of being sent home early from that tour of Australia.

His first interview with the written media since that low point in his career is another small step in his recovery. "Standing at the back of my mark thinking 'where the hell is this going to go?' you lose all sensation of that feeling on the end of your fingertips," Finn admitted. "You lose it and you can't find it."

The Australian winter was not kind to England's other two beanpole quick bowlers. Chris Tremlett played the first Test, a ghost of the bowler who harassed Australia in 2010-11; and Boyd Rankin had so ignominious a debut, riddled by injury and nerves, that he admitted to entertaining the notion of abandoning cricket for good.

Yet neither tale was as dispiriting - or as important to the future of England cricket - as Finn's. Three years earlier he had taken 13 wickets in three Ashes Tests at the age of 21. His 2013/14 tour was almost wholly comprised of spirit-sapping net bowling. All the while his best form - or any semblance of it - only became more elusive.

"You can overthink things and get away from the things that make you a good bowler," Finn said. "That's what I did from the beginning of 2013 to the beginning of 2014. I was working on things or doing things that were detrimental to me becoming a better bowler.

"Every session it'd be: 'Do I turn more side on? Do I lengthen my delivery stride? Do I come a bit wider of the crease? Do I finish my action off more?

"There were lots of things that I was trying. It's not like I was over there just saying 'this is rubbish, I give up'. Until the day I left Australia, I went to the nets and tried to unlock it but it was like banging my head against a brick wall."

Admirably, Finn is not the sort to blame other people, and described his difficulties as "no-one else's fault but my own". He praised David Saker - a sensible career move - but admitted that he "probably needed technical help" during England's Ashes tour.

There were lots of things that I was trying. It's not like I was over there just saying 'this is rubbish, I give up'. Until the day I left Australia, I went to the nets and tried to unlock it but it was like banging my head against a brick wall
Steven Finn on his traumas down under

"Saker is very much a tactical sort of coach, and he tried his hardest to try and unlock the things that were going wrong in my action. But we weren't able to do it."

Tactical coaches are normally exactly what international players need. Not so Finn in Australia.

Finn can pinpoint the start of his problems. During the Test series against South Africa in 2012, he discovered a penchant for dislodging a bail with a bent back leg as he was running in to bowl, causing umpires to call a dead ball after he dismissed Graeme Smith.

Removing a bail in a delivery stride subsequently became a no-ball offence: the so-called 'Finn law'. He has been called for it "a few times" this county season.

"People have been doing that for years, so to have a law made up just for me when people like Shaun Pollock had done it for years did seem a bit strange," Finn said.

"It made me completely rethink how I approached the crease. I started bowling wide of the crease and had to change my run-up. I've now had to rethink how I approach the crease, coming straighter in.

"You can overthink things and get away from the things that make you a good bowler. That's what I did from the beginning of 2013 to the beginning of 2014. I was working on things that were detrimental to me becoming a better bowler."

Finn underwent significant remedial work on his action with Saker. But it is clear that the copious tinkering only resulted in a diminished Finn. He is adamant that the shortened run that he worked on, in co-ordination with Saker, "made everything forced". His natural gifts became submerged.

"A lot of what happened knocked on from that shortened run," he said. "I grew bad habits and got away from the way I had bowled when I was young. I was the one who made those decisions at a stage in my career where I had to make decisions. I made the wrong ones and it knocked me off track."

So low was Finn that, when he returned from Australia, he was reduced to bowling off a standing start, and then from three yards, in pursuit of rhythm.

"When we came back and compared footage there was such a stark contrast between 2010 and 2014." It took months of early mornings in the Lord's nets with Middlesex bowling coach Richard Johnson to revive his confidence.

"When you've not done it for so long it feels so alien," Finn said. "Jono was there behind me saying it looks really natural and looks really good. I was there going 'it doesn't feel natural, it feels terrible, it feels that I can't get the ball to go where I want it to go.'

As I practiced more, the muscles remember it and think 'ok, this is starting to feel more natural'. It probably took two months or six weeks of just doing that and walking through and feeling my arms moving more naturally before we went back any further than that."

"I'm very lucky that Jono knows me and my action very well so I can go to him any time and say 'what do you think?' Finn said. "It's probably a system that I've underused in the past. Now that I've actually been able to spend six months quality time with just Jono working with me it's helped me move in the right direction much quicker than I have done over the last few years."

"It was basically technical things that were stopping me getting the ball down the other end at a decent pace and in the right spot as regularly as I'd have liked to. It was about stripping it back to basics and getting back to what I did when I was 18, 19 and 20 years old which got me playing for England in the first place.

"It was really going back to those basics, looking at them, trying to copy them and spending hours and hours getting basics back into my body that I'd forgotten over the last 12-18 months."

Those qualities were worth remembering. Finn's qualities were so palpable that he was fast-tracked at every turn. He made his Middlesex debut at 16, making him the club's youngest player since 1949; and his first England Test, three weeks after that ball to Hafeez, was delivered at the age of 20.

A year later, he became the youngest ever Englishman to 50 Test wickets. He was hailed as one of the finest young fast bowlers in the world, part of a new crop who it was hoped would breath new fire into fast bowling in Test cricket.

Few would have anticipated the problems that befell him since them. "It would disappoint me and frustrate me greatly if my best years were when I was 20, 21 and 22," Finn said.

Squad call-ups without actually playing did not help. He has found being selected in the England squad, and then released, often midway into a Championship game, a "spinning cycle" not conducive to his bowling rhythm.

And he did not appreciate the media's glare in Australia: "The amount of people commenting on the game that don't know what's going on behind closed doors frustrated me and made me angry at the time."

Yet there is now the definite sense that Finn is back on track. He has taken 40 Division One wickets at an average of 28 apiece so far this season, and both Nick Compton and Marcus Trescothick spoke glowingly of him after Somerset's draw with Middlesex at Uxbridge. By his own estimation, he is now "85%" back to his best.

"I'm starting to get back to bowling naturally and how it was when I was younger. It feels that I can run up and bowl again, whereas for 12 months previously it didn't feel that I could do that."

For all his difficulties, Finn is a 25-year-old with 90 Test and 377 first-class wickets to his name and capable of generating 90mph pace from his hulking 6ft 7in frame.

In the opinion of Johnson - and no one knows his bowling better - Finn has "got nowhere near his full potential so far" and these days he has gained the ability to move the ball both ways.

The sight of Finn trudging forlornly around Australia was dispiriting to all enthusiasts of hostile quick bowling. But he is adamant it will not be his last involvement with England.

"I think that I'd be ready if I was to get the call to play in a one-day international or a Test match," he said.

Should he be recalled, Finn's preparations might start by rewatching a trusty old clip - a clip that, if things go well, might one day take a surprising place in cricket history.

"All we ever do is go back to that one clip and say this is you now, this is you at your best - do they marry up?" Johnson said.

"I've watched it a few times - you can probably tell," Finn laughed. His smile is back. England can draw strength from that.

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  • POSTED BY on | July 18, 2014, 6:41 GMT

    Having got away from the England management, Finn should now be refinding himself and back to international cricket sooner rather than later, because that is where he belongs.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 15, 2014, 10:13 GMT

    @Meety, the back foot was the problem as it came through after delivery his foot would 'catch' on his hamstring tripping him up. so the coaches made a change so that he could follow through without tripping over himself. That is when the problems began.

    he was then focused on the post delivery action rather than delivery, this lead to him being a little squarer on during delivery, so his trailing leg would come round the front leg and his radar was shot.

    They did work out that 'kink' but as a result they pushed him towards the stumps to deliver in line and prevent the leg byes, with that he developed the problem of hitting the non-strike stumps with his hand or thigh/foot.

    No wonder the guy was mixed up, I really hope that the Middlesex coaches have just let him rediscover his own rhythm and when he comes back to the fold he ignores anyone that attempts to make major changes.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | July 14, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    @Harlequin. on (July 13, 2014, 9:09 GMT) - not seen enuff of Jordan to make a comment, other than he looked good in ODIs. He is sharp enough to be good in tests too, just not seen whether he has the lateral movement to be great? @YorkshirePudding on (July 13, 2014, 9:47 GMT) - I dont think the front foot was the problem way back then, I believe he bowled that far behind the crease so as his back foot didnt clip the stumps???

  • POSTED BY CricStaah on | July 14, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    England has a long history of destroying players by over analysis and over coaching. I just remember my days coming up through the county scenes coming from scoring a 100 and being told by some know-it-all that my back lift was too high! They have destroyed this young mans career and confidence which is a rel shame because he is the only bowler in the England set up who can bowl 90mph+ consistently I think this is one of the only countries that still holds the coaching manual in such high regard! they dont promote or reward innovation or different styles of play and just about accept it because things like slog sweeps, doosras, switch hits, slow bouncers, scoops etc have been forced on them!

  • POSTED BY venkatesh018 on | July 14, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    Changing the natural bowling action of a bowler who has reached Test level, should be the last thing a coach recommends, however accomplished he may be. Finn is just the latest unfortunate case in a long line up.

  • POSTED BY afzal501 on | July 14, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    I couldn't believe Finn did not play last winter in the ashes series. He would have been lethal with his pace and bounce in Aussie pitches. England lost the series 5 -0 but at no stage they thought lets give him a chance. I don't know much about David Saker but since he has become coach English bowling has gone down hill. England should bring back Finn as soon as possible. He is the fastest bowler England have if he was playing for any other country he would be in the team.This David Saker reminds me of the bowling coach Pakistan had until recently Mohammed Akram who wasn't a good bowler just played in English county mostly, took Pakistanis bowling backwards thank fully he has left.

  • POSTED BY Kingman75 on | July 14, 2014, 5:03 GMT

    David Saker was an ordinary bowler in the Shield. He's probably worse as a bowling coach. Every England fast bowler has gone backwards recently.

  • POSTED BY nursery_ender on | July 13, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    Posted by Rufus_Fuddleduck on (July 13, 2014, 15:31 GMT) The article is very well-written but there needed to be a tad more focus on the fact that the No 11 had a job waiting for him all the time he was at the crease. Anderson is enjoying a good run ... and it will run some more time if Dhoni has his way.

    This comment is very well written but, I'm not sure what relevance it has to an article on Steve Finn's efforts to get his form back.

  • POSTED BY on | July 13, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    another example of bad management... this English management is really treating its cricketers very badly... Finn is far more better bowler than Plunket but the management is not giving him the confidence...

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | July 13, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    Changing bowling action cost him.

  • POSTED BY on | July 18, 2014, 6:41 GMT

    Having got away from the England management, Finn should now be refinding himself and back to international cricket sooner rather than later, because that is where he belongs.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 15, 2014, 10:13 GMT

    @Meety, the back foot was the problem as it came through after delivery his foot would 'catch' on his hamstring tripping him up. so the coaches made a change so that he could follow through without tripping over himself. That is when the problems began.

    he was then focused on the post delivery action rather than delivery, this lead to him being a little squarer on during delivery, so his trailing leg would come round the front leg and his radar was shot.

    They did work out that 'kink' but as a result they pushed him towards the stumps to deliver in line and prevent the leg byes, with that he developed the problem of hitting the non-strike stumps with his hand or thigh/foot.

    No wonder the guy was mixed up, I really hope that the Middlesex coaches have just let him rediscover his own rhythm and when he comes back to the fold he ignores anyone that attempts to make major changes.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | July 14, 2014, 13:21 GMT

    @Harlequin. on (July 13, 2014, 9:09 GMT) - not seen enuff of Jordan to make a comment, other than he looked good in ODIs. He is sharp enough to be good in tests too, just not seen whether he has the lateral movement to be great? @YorkshirePudding on (July 13, 2014, 9:47 GMT) - I dont think the front foot was the problem way back then, I believe he bowled that far behind the crease so as his back foot didnt clip the stumps???

  • POSTED BY CricStaah on | July 14, 2014, 9:31 GMT

    England has a long history of destroying players by over analysis and over coaching. I just remember my days coming up through the county scenes coming from scoring a 100 and being told by some know-it-all that my back lift was too high! They have destroyed this young mans career and confidence which is a rel shame because he is the only bowler in the England set up who can bowl 90mph+ consistently I think this is one of the only countries that still holds the coaching manual in such high regard! they dont promote or reward innovation or different styles of play and just about accept it because things like slog sweeps, doosras, switch hits, slow bouncers, scoops etc have been forced on them!

  • POSTED BY venkatesh018 on | July 14, 2014, 7:11 GMT

    Changing the natural bowling action of a bowler who has reached Test level, should be the last thing a coach recommends, however accomplished he may be. Finn is just the latest unfortunate case in a long line up.

  • POSTED BY afzal501 on | July 14, 2014, 6:57 GMT

    I couldn't believe Finn did not play last winter in the ashes series. He would have been lethal with his pace and bounce in Aussie pitches. England lost the series 5 -0 but at no stage they thought lets give him a chance. I don't know much about David Saker but since he has become coach English bowling has gone down hill. England should bring back Finn as soon as possible. He is the fastest bowler England have if he was playing for any other country he would be in the team.This David Saker reminds me of the bowling coach Pakistan had until recently Mohammed Akram who wasn't a good bowler just played in English county mostly, took Pakistanis bowling backwards thank fully he has left.

  • POSTED BY Kingman75 on | July 14, 2014, 5:03 GMT

    David Saker was an ordinary bowler in the Shield. He's probably worse as a bowling coach. Every England fast bowler has gone backwards recently.

  • POSTED BY nursery_ender on | July 13, 2014, 21:04 GMT

    Posted by Rufus_Fuddleduck on (July 13, 2014, 15:31 GMT) The article is very well-written but there needed to be a tad more focus on the fact that the No 11 had a job waiting for him all the time he was at the crease. Anderson is enjoying a good run ... and it will run some more time if Dhoni has his way.

    This comment is very well written but, I'm not sure what relevance it has to an article on Steve Finn's efforts to get his form back.

  • POSTED BY on | July 13, 2014, 18:49 GMT

    another example of bad management... this English management is really treating its cricketers very badly... Finn is far more better bowler than Plunket but the management is not giving him the confidence...

  • POSTED BY AKS286 on | July 13, 2014, 18:28 GMT

    Changing bowling action cost him.

  • POSTED BY Rufus_Fuddleduck on | July 13, 2014, 15:31 GMT

    The article is very well-written but there needed to be a tad more focus on the fact that the No 11 had a job waiting for him all the time he was at the crease. Anderson is enjoying a good run ... and it will run some more time if Dhoni has his way.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 13, 2014, 9:47 GMT

    @dungar.bob, I think the concern was that he was going to do more harm than good, as he risked serious injury (Back, Knee, hip).

    @Meety, I think the reason you saw him as uncordinated is that he was doing too much thinking in delivery trying to focus on getting it right, so he 'stuttered' in the last few paces.. Fast bowlers should think too much about that they need to think about where the ball is going, rather than where thier front foot lands.

  • POSTED BY mukesh_LOVE.cricket on | July 13, 2014, 9:15 GMT

    Finn is a real talent , but as always England and their 'support' staffs and coaches have ruined him , i remember him bowling on the rather slow wickets in India and still hitting 90mph and hurrying up the likes of virat kohli , as expected few months way from England set up and he has started discovering his rhythm , not very surprising, they did it to james anderson also !

  • POSTED BY Harlequin. on | July 13, 2014, 9:09 GMT

    @Meety - I think Jordan has an important role to play in test cricket as well, he has potential to take a bit of the weight that is going to be shoved onto Stokes' shoulders. If Jordan can fill in for Stokes for the odd test/series then perhaps Ben wont be destroyed within 5 years.

    @Jamie Moneghan - exactly right, it makes no sense to rip apart the attributes that got the player to where they are. They did it with Jimmy, they have done it with Finn, unfortunately I don't think it will be the last time as well.

  • POSTED BY Meety on | July 13, 2014, 8:34 GMT

    ""It was just easy flowing - a bouncy, flowing run-up to the crease - there was a slight delay when I got to the crease and then everything moved." Wow! Not my recollection of Finn - ever. I like Finn, I think he has maasive potential, but I have always thought his run up (& delivery stride in particular) was very un-cordinated. I watched him at the Gabba during Oz's terrible Ashes, & at first thought he was a joke - his front foot was about 2 feet behind the popping crease in a disjointed approach. What saved him was, he has (or had) a beautiful release of the ball - from his height made for testing bowling at times, with the odd bit of rubbish. I always maintained that there was too much hype about Finn's Test record. His FC record indicates a great potential, but his Test record is warped by the amount of Bangladeshi wickets. He must be a priority for England to fix. Jordan is quite good - though not sure of his ability long term in Tests (ODIs i think he is fantastic)!

  • POSTED BY siltbreeze on | July 13, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    One of the biggest debacles of our shambolic Ashes tour was the selection and handling of the three tall quick bowlers, yet Saker was just about the only coach to keep his job. I've long thought Johnson would make a good England bowling coach - just look at the records of Finn, Murtagh and Roland-Jones at Middlesex.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | July 13, 2014, 6:38 GMT

    Main problem is the the mentality of England compared to Australia , as Aussies only slightly tweaked MJ in his run up slightly and a lower bowling action , but England have tried to remodel Finn completely as a new bowler and it destroyed him. Instead you should of just been moving him a couple of inches away from the stumps till he stopped hitting them as I'm sure he would of kept his speed. Yes it's all easier said than done but surely must of been a better solution than to get a guy to change his entire bowling action?

  • POSTED BY HEARTOUT on | July 13, 2014, 6:37 GMT

    He is rare breed of fast bowler who could bowl 150K and above and treating him this way is totally unacceptable ECB wake up or you want to keep loosin talent like KP and others

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | July 13, 2014, 4:53 GMT

    @ YorkshirePudding : Thanks for that. Wow - it's almost like the butterfly effect isn't it? .. maybe they should have just let him fall over now and then. I mean, what's a few embarrassing tumbles if you're bowling well and taking wickets?

  • POSTED BY Sexysteven on | July 13, 2014, 4:24 GMT

    I hope Finn can get back to his best and play for England again his pace and bounce would serve England well again I'm sure and when he gets back just don't let saker near him let him work with that Johnson bloke he knows him better

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 13, 2014, 4:13 GMT

    @dungar.bob, when Finn started bowling for england he would fall over himself in his follow through, thats when the initial issues began as the coaches tried to solve that issue.

    Once that issue was sorted out he seemed to have lost a bit of direction (SL series 2011) where he would be spraying the ball on the Leg side, so much so that England started to resort to a leg slip/sweeper.

    As the coaches worked on that issue he started to clip the stumps, c.2012/13, then they started to work on the Stump clipping, pushing him wider on the crease, thats when he really lost a yard as he was too focused on his run and delivery stride than line and length.

    Hopefully his county will be working with him to try and get back to basics, sometimes i think the coaches try and do too much rather than fine tuning a player or giving advice and letting the player work it out for themselves.

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | July 13, 2014, 2:37 GMT

    I think this tale just goes to show how important a fast bowlers run up is. Unless I've got it wrong all his problems seem to have started as soon as he tried to make the slight adjustment to avoid clipping the stumps with his leg. It would only be a matter of centimetres but look what it's done to the poor bloke.

    @landl47: Funny you should mention MJ because there are some parallels here. When Mitch was bowling to the left and bowling to the right his rhythm was shot to pieces because, among other things, his run-up was wrong. He was close to leaving the game at one point but a certain DK Lillee took him under his wing and sorted him out. ... like I said, plenty of similarities there.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | July 12, 2014, 22:48 GMT

    Bring him back after the Indian series!!

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | July 12, 2014, 21:43 GMT

    It's such a mistake to rush young kids into the test side when they aren't ready for it. When problems occur, they can't cope because they simply haven't got the experience. Those problems might be technical, like Finn, or physical, like Pat Cummins, or even unrelated to cricket, like Amir, but they are going to happen. Anderson and Broad were called up too early and are still paying for it with averages over 30, even though for the last 5 years both have averaged in the mid-20s. Even Dale Steyn was called up too early and took 8 wickets at 50 apiece against England before being sent back to FC cricket again. The list goes on and on.

    Let Finn spend this season getting it right. It would be great if he could play FC cricket in Australia or SA over the Winter. Then next year he can come back to the test side and just maybe Mitch Johnson won't be the only 93mph bowler on show in the 2015 Ashes.

    Good luck, Steve- every England supporter and every true cricket fan wishes you well.

  • POSTED BY george204 on | July 12, 2014, 21:14 GMT

    Only England could take a special talent like Finn & so thoroughly mishandle him. Hope he can come back because England need him, even if they don't really deserve him!

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  • POSTED BY george204 on | July 12, 2014, 21:14 GMT

    Only England could take a special talent like Finn & so thoroughly mishandle him. Hope he can come back because England need him, even if they don't really deserve him!

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | July 12, 2014, 21:43 GMT

    It's such a mistake to rush young kids into the test side when they aren't ready for it. When problems occur, they can't cope because they simply haven't got the experience. Those problems might be technical, like Finn, or physical, like Pat Cummins, or even unrelated to cricket, like Amir, but they are going to happen. Anderson and Broad were called up too early and are still paying for it with averages over 30, even though for the last 5 years both have averaged in the mid-20s. Even Dale Steyn was called up too early and took 8 wickets at 50 apiece against England before being sent back to FC cricket again. The list goes on and on.

    Let Finn spend this season getting it right. It would be great if he could play FC cricket in Australia or SA over the Winter. Then next year he can come back to the test side and just maybe Mitch Johnson won't be the only 93mph bowler on show in the 2015 Ashes.

    Good luck, Steve- every England supporter and every true cricket fan wishes you well.

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | July 12, 2014, 22:48 GMT

    Bring him back after the Indian series!!

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | July 13, 2014, 2:37 GMT

    I think this tale just goes to show how important a fast bowlers run up is. Unless I've got it wrong all his problems seem to have started as soon as he tried to make the slight adjustment to avoid clipping the stumps with his leg. It would only be a matter of centimetres but look what it's done to the poor bloke.

    @landl47: Funny you should mention MJ because there are some parallels here. When Mitch was bowling to the left and bowling to the right his rhythm was shot to pieces because, among other things, his run-up was wrong. He was close to leaving the game at one point but a certain DK Lillee took him under his wing and sorted him out. ... like I said, plenty of similarities there.

  • POSTED BY YorkshirePudding on | July 13, 2014, 4:13 GMT

    @dungar.bob, when Finn started bowling for england he would fall over himself in his follow through, thats when the initial issues began as the coaches tried to solve that issue.

    Once that issue was sorted out he seemed to have lost a bit of direction (SL series 2011) where he would be spraying the ball on the Leg side, so much so that England started to resort to a leg slip/sweeper.

    As the coaches worked on that issue he started to clip the stumps, c.2012/13, then they started to work on the Stump clipping, pushing him wider on the crease, thats when he really lost a yard as he was too focused on his run and delivery stride than line and length.

    Hopefully his county will be working with him to try and get back to basics, sometimes i think the coaches try and do too much rather than fine tuning a player or giving advice and letting the player work it out for themselves.

  • POSTED BY Sexysteven on | July 13, 2014, 4:24 GMT

    I hope Finn can get back to his best and play for England again his pace and bounce would serve England well again I'm sure and when he gets back just don't let saker near him let him work with that Johnson bloke he knows him better

  • POSTED BY dunger.bob on | July 13, 2014, 4:53 GMT

    @ YorkshirePudding : Thanks for that. Wow - it's almost like the butterfly effect isn't it? .. maybe they should have just let him fall over now and then. I mean, what's a few embarrassing tumbles if you're bowling well and taking wickets?

  • POSTED BY HEARTOUT on | July 13, 2014, 6:37 GMT

    He is rare breed of fast bowler who could bowl 150K and above and treating him this way is totally unacceptable ECB wake up or you want to keep loosin talent like KP and others

  • POSTED BY espncricinfomobile on | July 13, 2014, 6:38 GMT

    Main problem is the the mentality of England compared to Australia , as Aussies only slightly tweaked MJ in his run up slightly and a lower bowling action , but England have tried to remodel Finn completely as a new bowler and it destroyed him. Instead you should of just been moving him a couple of inches away from the stumps till he stopped hitting them as I'm sure he would of kept his speed. Yes it's all easier said than done but surely must of been a better solution than to get a guy to change his entire bowling action?

  • POSTED BY siltbreeze on | July 13, 2014, 8:01 GMT

    One of the biggest debacles of our shambolic Ashes tour was the selection and handling of the three tall quick bowlers, yet Saker was just about the only coach to keep his job. I've long thought Johnson would make a good England bowling coach - just look at the records of Finn, Murtagh and Roland-Jones at Middlesex.