New Zealand v Pakistan, Champions Trophy, semi-final, Jo'burg October 4, 2009

Pakistan powerless in Powerplays

If we are to dissect, it is the batsmen who lost it and nothing new is said in that
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Is it fair to say that Pakistan overachieved in this tournament by getting to the semi-finals? Probably so on balance, especially given that they had lost their last three ODI series. There will be disappointment at going out to a team they would've fancied their chance against on a good day, but not many in Pakistan would've turned down a semi-final run beforehand, during which they beat the West Indies, India and were a couple of wickets shy of beating the team to beat in this tournament, the team to beat anytime and anywhere.

If we are to dissect, it is the batsmen who lost it and nothing new is said in that. Pakistan's batting has been a strange beast in the Champions Trophy. It hasn't been entirely flimsy, for there has been enough depth to arrest poor starts. It has been solid enough to prevent total collapse, but not always to build from it, which is what the best teams can do. At very critical moments, they have lost wickets. Mohammad Yousuf has been the symbol of it in a way, two untroubled innings after his beautifully-constructed hand against India, ending unfulfilled in the 40s.

And throughout they have miscalculated the Powerplay; the Pakistan ODI way has always been to expect a poor start, then consolidate and build and end strong. It is the batting template that has most often seen them reach 300-plus totals and to be fair, it hasn't been without success since 1992. But Powerplays allow you to begin the onslaught early, at your choosing and ideally when batsmen are set. There is no need now to wait till the very end, as Pakistan have done, for in the death overs, common sense dictates that you will hit out in any case.

Yet Pakistan have not utilised the Powerplay when the pair in the middle is set, preferring cautiously to leave it till the end: even in the win against India, they failed to do so. In a tournament of thin lines, it has been the cause of their downfall.

As against Australia, men didn't make the most of what they began against New Zealand. Imran Nazir, Kamran Akmal and Younis Khan all fell when it seemed easier to go on and two at least to poor strokes. And just as Yousuf and Umar Akmal put things in order, the Powerplay left to the lower order. "It was a problem for us and especially in the Powerplay, where we didn't score again," said Younis afterwards. "We had a couple of good starts and they didn't cash in. At one stage we were under pressure and 160-70 looked likely. But Akmal and Yousuf had a good partnership but didn't cash in. If they had stayed till the Powerplay we could've reached 250-260."

But there have been good things about Pakistan here. They have seemed more together than in many campaigns, no scandal has rocked their boat. Key players have returned and others have continued their growth. The younger Akmal looks, with each innings, a proper find. There is a smartness and thoroughness to his work that has been missing in most young Pakistani batting talent, an ability and willingness to complement his natural range of strokes, with less flash matters, such as running well and rotating the strike.

Likewise Mohammad Aamer, who from the moment he bowled his first ball for Pakistan has looked - scarily actually given how young he is - like he has been doing it for the last ten years. He was outstanding again tonight with ball; and surely with the bat he deserves to be higher than Umar Gul?

Saeed Ajmal has brought a real edge to the middle overs. Though he aims to stem the scoring first, he is a wicket-taking threat and that is something they missed often under Shoaib Malik's captaincy. And Mohammad Asif is around again, though that must be a meticulously-handled comeback.

"It has been a good experience for us," said Younis. "We finished in the top four and it has always been my aim to finish in the top four. After that, in the semis and final you need some luck, a good catch, a good run out, an umpiring decision. But we didn't get any so we lost. But overall, after a long time, we looked like a team and we fought as a team. Overall in this tournament I think we looked good. We have two excellent young players in Mohammad Aamer and Umar Akmal, who is a very mature batsman. Even Saeed Ajmal, who has been around, has done really well. If our youngsters are performing well, then the future is bright."

It should be, even if we have all been here before. Actually this kind of situation is traditionally a fragile time for Pakistan sides, terribly prone to tipping the wrong way. But if some kind of stability can be maintained in the set-up, they are at a point again where they can look ahead with genuine hope.

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • Imdadullah on October 6, 2009, 9:00 GMT

    Batting powerplay should always be taken at an earlier stage of the match probably when Yousuf & Umar Akmal were batting as in powerplay best bowlers bowl even if u see them & score atleast 7 an over then there is all chances of scoring more runs at death over or after the powerplay overs bowled by part timer/not the best bowler in the rank. one suggestion push Afridi & Umar Akmal up the order & push Younis & Yousef down the order. this is keep the flow of runs at the earlier stage & Younis & Yousuf then later on can concentrate on rotating strikes with one's, two's & odd boundries.

  • anderson2010 on October 6, 2009, 7:25 GMT

    Naveed, You are asking why pakistan didn't take power play when afridi was playing. According to quite a few pakistan supporters afridi is playing as a specialist bowler so it wouldn't have made much difference. He would have got out in first over of powerplay like he usually does. In last couple of years how often has he lasted for more then 1 over. Instead of pakistan waiting for afridi the great slogger to turn up they should play a proper spinner like kaneria.

  • PakSupporter on October 6, 2009, 5:36 GMT

    There were couple of mistakes: Misbah-ul-Haq should have played instead of Younis Khan as he is injured, Fawad Alam instead of Imran Nazir as he was injured as well and Mohammad Asif instead of Naveed-ul Hassan as I recall in the past on several occasions he leaked runs at the crucial moments (Alas Abdur Razzaq was not selected as he is always a game winner!) I believe if these changes were made Pakistan would not only beat NZ but also lift the title today!

  • Naveed on October 6, 2009, 4:05 GMT

    I believe that one bad decision can change the match but I also believe this is not the ONLY reason Pakistan lost the match. As rightly said 'powerless in the power play' I fail to understand why Pakistan did not take their power play when Afridi and Umar Akmal were playing? Why they lef the power play for tail-enders?

  • FoolishCow on October 6, 2009, 0:05 GMT

    @anderson2010, u hav nothing better to do than write comments against pakistan? India is a very good team bt they didnt played well in this tournament. Pak played well bt their batting was struggling in all of their matches. Pak group was considered the difficult one in compare to other as Sri Lanka & South Africa were considered to be favorites but knocked out by under dogs teams. they played better cricket than those two. It was bad luck to India that yuvraj was not there bt tat didnt mean India cant win match without him. they could have bt didnt. Australia were almost knock out due to their easy attitude against Pak in the end of 20 overs and bc Pak took several wickets suddenly. till the very last ball of the match pak fought well against Ausies. Even Pointing admitted it and so the indian journalist. i am just saying to be fair in your comments about any team. i dont take side of pak or any other team. If any team plays well i praise them, if not then i mention mistakes.

  • SangakaraFan on October 5, 2009, 17:15 GMT

    I fail to understand that why are all the Pakistani fans are making a big deal abt one Akmal's wicket. Please give some credit to the Kiwis. Come on guys...The fact is Pakistani batsmen cannot handle raw pace a none of the your club class cricketers have the class or the quality to play on bouncy wickets. Bond & CO were a quiet handful for the Pakistani batsmen to choke.Everyone forgets that in the last 3 years, the only country (apart from BD) Pakis have won a ODI series against is a weak West Indies. They hav lost to India (away), SL (Trashed home and away), Asia cup (home), Australia (UAE) and South Africa (home) during this period. Now please don't blame these results on the umpires.

  • anderson2010 on October 5, 2009, 16:26 GMT

    raheelf. you mentioned powerplay and dropped catch. Which is exactly what you can expect from a mediocre and amature team. These a amature mistakes. Captain carrying injury drops a catch. How unprofessional can you get. If captain and senior players can't work out when to take power play, again its down to professionalism. New Zealand were just too shrewd and professional and they exploited all pakistans weaknesses so all credit to new zealand. Vettori sitting out todays match because of injury is yet another proof of new zealand professional attitude. And please stop moaning about umpiring decisions, you guys were quite happy to get umpiring decisions in your favour in previous matches. Please give credit where its due. New Zealand are just too good and professional for a team with dated and amature think tank.

  • khanbhai89 on October 5, 2009, 15:29 GMT

    we did not performed well and thats why we lost, we did not caught our catch, which on other day Younis khan would have taken 10/10 times, offcourse Naveed and Gull didnot balled well in last two overs, Offcourse Akmals LBW was also crucial but, the thing is New Zealand also played well and, the one who played well is in the Finals. Look after one perfomance why we start saying Gul is not a good baller, and this is not a player and he is not a player, In Ausi match they balled well and offcourse there is a day also when you don't ball well, I know i can't match Wasim and Waqar with gul, but they also had so many bad days, like in world 2003 match against Aus, but do we say then they are not good ballers, they are legends. I will back my team, at any cost but will not at same time get racist and start saying other team is not good even they are. I have gone into so many comments and a one can easily say there are so many indians singned up as Pakistani, we should be careful and the writ

  • raheelf on October 5, 2009, 13:53 GMT

    I have to say that Pakistan's performance against New Zealand was below par and they didn't deserve to win. But does that means Newzealand have won it by themselves? This question will remain unanswered forever. There is no doubt that Pakistan team is the most unpredictable and dynamic of the top test playing nations and on their day are capable to reaching any unprecedented feats. But when it comes to winning they are their own fiercest rival not Australia or India. Hadn't umpire given that (Umar's LBW) decision, hadn't Younis dropped that catch and had taken the powerplay between 30 and 40 over, it would have been a different story.

  • anderson2010 on October 5, 2009, 12:44 GMT

    Without umpiring errors pakistan wouldn't even be in semis. So all pakistani fans should grow up.

  • Imdadullah on October 6, 2009, 9:00 GMT

    Batting powerplay should always be taken at an earlier stage of the match probably when Yousuf & Umar Akmal were batting as in powerplay best bowlers bowl even if u see them & score atleast 7 an over then there is all chances of scoring more runs at death over or after the powerplay overs bowled by part timer/not the best bowler in the rank. one suggestion push Afridi & Umar Akmal up the order & push Younis & Yousef down the order. this is keep the flow of runs at the earlier stage & Younis & Yousuf then later on can concentrate on rotating strikes with one's, two's & odd boundries.

  • anderson2010 on October 6, 2009, 7:25 GMT

    Naveed, You are asking why pakistan didn't take power play when afridi was playing. According to quite a few pakistan supporters afridi is playing as a specialist bowler so it wouldn't have made much difference. He would have got out in first over of powerplay like he usually does. In last couple of years how often has he lasted for more then 1 over. Instead of pakistan waiting for afridi the great slogger to turn up they should play a proper spinner like kaneria.

  • PakSupporter on October 6, 2009, 5:36 GMT

    There were couple of mistakes: Misbah-ul-Haq should have played instead of Younis Khan as he is injured, Fawad Alam instead of Imran Nazir as he was injured as well and Mohammad Asif instead of Naveed-ul Hassan as I recall in the past on several occasions he leaked runs at the crucial moments (Alas Abdur Razzaq was not selected as he is always a game winner!) I believe if these changes were made Pakistan would not only beat NZ but also lift the title today!

  • Naveed on October 6, 2009, 4:05 GMT

    I believe that one bad decision can change the match but I also believe this is not the ONLY reason Pakistan lost the match. As rightly said 'powerless in the power play' I fail to understand why Pakistan did not take their power play when Afridi and Umar Akmal were playing? Why they lef the power play for tail-enders?

  • FoolishCow on October 6, 2009, 0:05 GMT

    @anderson2010, u hav nothing better to do than write comments against pakistan? India is a very good team bt they didnt played well in this tournament. Pak played well bt their batting was struggling in all of their matches. Pak group was considered the difficult one in compare to other as Sri Lanka & South Africa were considered to be favorites but knocked out by under dogs teams. they played better cricket than those two. It was bad luck to India that yuvraj was not there bt tat didnt mean India cant win match without him. they could have bt didnt. Australia were almost knock out due to their easy attitude against Pak in the end of 20 overs and bc Pak took several wickets suddenly. till the very last ball of the match pak fought well against Ausies. Even Pointing admitted it and so the indian journalist. i am just saying to be fair in your comments about any team. i dont take side of pak or any other team. If any team plays well i praise them, if not then i mention mistakes.

  • SangakaraFan on October 5, 2009, 17:15 GMT

    I fail to understand that why are all the Pakistani fans are making a big deal abt one Akmal's wicket. Please give some credit to the Kiwis. Come on guys...The fact is Pakistani batsmen cannot handle raw pace a none of the your club class cricketers have the class or the quality to play on bouncy wickets. Bond & CO were a quiet handful for the Pakistani batsmen to choke.Everyone forgets that in the last 3 years, the only country (apart from BD) Pakis have won a ODI series against is a weak West Indies. They hav lost to India (away), SL (Trashed home and away), Asia cup (home), Australia (UAE) and South Africa (home) during this period. Now please don't blame these results on the umpires.

  • anderson2010 on October 5, 2009, 16:26 GMT

    raheelf. you mentioned powerplay and dropped catch. Which is exactly what you can expect from a mediocre and amature team. These a amature mistakes. Captain carrying injury drops a catch. How unprofessional can you get. If captain and senior players can't work out when to take power play, again its down to professionalism. New Zealand were just too shrewd and professional and they exploited all pakistans weaknesses so all credit to new zealand. Vettori sitting out todays match because of injury is yet another proof of new zealand professional attitude. And please stop moaning about umpiring decisions, you guys were quite happy to get umpiring decisions in your favour in previous matches. Please give credit where its due. New Zealand are just too good and professional for a team with dated and amature think tank.

  • khanbhai89 on October 5, 2009, 15:29 GMT

    we did not performed well and thats why we lost, we did not caught our catch, which on other day Younis khan would have taken 10/10 times, offcourse Naveed and Gull didnot balled well in last two overs, Offcourse Akmals LBW was also crucial but, the thing is New Zealand also played well and, the one who played well is in the Finals. Look after one perfomance why we start saying Gul is not a good baller, and this is not a player and he is not a player, In Ausi match they balled well and offcourse there is a day also when you don't ball well, I know i can't match Wasim and Waqar with gul, but they also had so many bad days, like in world 2003 match against Aus, but do we say then they are not good ballers, they are legends. I will back my team, at any cost but will not at same time get racist and start saying other team is not good even they are. I have gone into so many comments and a one can easily say there are so many indians singned up as Pakistani, we should be careful and the writ

  • raheelf on October 5, 2009, 13:53 GMT

    I have to say that Pakistan's performance against New Zealand was below par and they didn't deserve to win. But does that means Newzealand have won it by themselves? This question will remain unanswered forever. There is no doubt that Pakistan team is the most unpredictable and dynamic of the top test playing nations and on their day are capable to reaching any unprecedented feats. But when it comes to winning they are their own fiercest rival not Australia or India. Hadn't umpire given that (Umar's LBW) decision, hadn't Younis dropped that catch and had taken the powerplay between 30 and 40 over, it would have been a different story.

  • anderson2010 on October 5, 2009, 12:44 GMT

    Without umpiring errors pakistan wouldn't even be in semis. So all pakistani fans should grow up.

  • AsifRathod on October 5, 2009, 12:13 GMT

    There are lots of good record holding players in current pakistani setup, Younis,Yousuf,Malik but u can't rely anyone of them, to save a match for you. These guys can score heavy runs, but they let u down badly, quite often. Somehow each of these three guys have tendency to throw their wicket at crucial stage of the matches. Only, Umar Akmal looks proper batsman in this current Pakistani team. They should have send him up to the order. He's correct technique and temperament to handle all sorts of bowling, he shows it in his short career. I think two of the well, deserve teams, enters Finale. Let's hope exciting match.

  • YasirGodil on October 5, 2009, 9:20 GMT

    @OpeningBatsmen and Pandey007: Its not only about Umar Akmal's decision. It looked like Taufel had already decided not to raise his finger on any appeal from Pakistan bowlers. Even Harsha Bhogle was saying What are you doing Taufel.

  • IKKI on October 5, 2009, 9:15 GMT

    Mr. OPENINBATSMAN. Yes umpires do make mistakes but if all the mistakes are to the detriment of Pakistan then you wonder if they are mistakes or a ploy to get Pakistan out of the finals so that Australia has easy passage. There were no less than seven "mistakes" against Pakistan and none against NZ? What say?

  • Cricket_Writer on October 5, 2009, 8:51 GMT

    I read all the comments and it's disappointing to see guys involved in war of words in terms of Pak/Ind encounter. I appeal to all of the cricket lovers in sub-continent to think in a constructive manner. I propose every one of you to participate via your feedback to force ICC to strengthen the umpiring standards; because I must say it was pathetic umpiring in a 2nd semi final of champion's trophy. Not only they adjudged wrongly Akmal OUT but denied Pakistan as well of two clear LBW decisions. How long we are going to bear the loss because of umpiring decisions? So many incidents in my mind, Pakistan lost the second test to Australia when Gilchrist was out twice while chasing a target of like 370, but not given by the umpires. I think Batsman should have a right to appeal as he knows better whether he has nicked or not, and similarly fielding team as well. In tennis, a player has a right to challenge referee's decision,so why not in cricket. Not umpires to decide which team play final.

  • OpeninBatsman on October 5, 2009, 6:34 GMT

    @ Shahzad_Tirmizi--- wid no disregard to u or pak team .... even Indian wud hv bn in d semis but for Raina's LBW decision..grow up...umpires do make mistakes and if ur saying coz of Umar Akmal's decision pak lost d match its rubbish..wat abt the other 10 players????

  • cricket_critic on October 5, 2009, 6:04 GMT

    not bad umpiring you all are crying about......it is non-capable batting of Imran Nazir / Kamran Akmal / Younis khan and dropped catch by Younis khan........

    if umpiring were good........Pak would have never reached Semis also ....forgot decisions against india ??

  • Shahzad_Tirmizi on October 5, 2009, 5:12 GMT

    Though Pakistan couldn't qualify for the Final but they proved better than South Africa, Sri Lanka & India. They would have reached finals but couldn't get there due to poor umpiring.

  • Shahzad_Tirmizi on October 5, 2009, 5:10 GMT

    Ah its worst umpiring & that too by some1 who has won Best Umpire's award 4 times. Simon Toufel should be man of the match for NewZealand.

  • sal80 on October 5, 2009, 4:36 GMT

    I dont think Nz won this match on there on but well played Nz .. But i will not give whole credit to Nz team as they were helped by poor umpiring and i think 40% contribution in there win was of umpirs ..simon taufal bring disgrace to his country and to his creadiblity ..in my opnion Nz was not the deserving team to reach the semi bec they was helped by umpirs ..on there on its hard for team like Nz to reach in semi...so my support is with AUSSIES goo aussie crush them.

  • fooqiman on October 5, 2009, 4:31 GMT

    @Jarr and @SangakaraFan - I don't think tagging Pakistan as a 'LUCKY' side makes any sense. I think India were 'LUCKY' they can still play old timers like Tendulkar(age 36) and Dravid(age 36) in the team because the new talent is just very ordinary. They were very 'LUCKY' that the match against Australia was washed out because otherwise the Aussies were looking forward to a very, very significant score (350+). Sri Lanka's captain is 'LUCKY' he is well-educated otherwise he would have been soon replaced by a more competent leader. If you look at his batting stats during the Champions Trophy I think you will agree (22.00). Sri Lanka are also relying heavily on their aging cricketers. Murali(36) and Jaya(40) will be leaving the game very soon and where's the new talent? Pakistan are 'LUCKY', they are lucky to have the likes of Mohammad Aamer(career 15 wickets@ 19.00) and Umar Akmal (batt. ave. 58.00) in their side. Ages:17 and 19 respectively. Let's see who is 'LUCKY' in the days to come.

  • sal80 on October 5, 2009, 4:27 GMT

    TO @@@Jarr30 ..CUM ON MAN .I CAN FEEL THT UR INDIAN SUPPORTER BUT ACCEPT it where india is and where pak is in this tournment wht were they do if zaheer played even he get hammerd by pak .ok you Go and bring ur legends like gavasakar kapil dev & madan laal to make team india strong ..if indian team is dependent on those 3 guys then wht abt the 11 players who played against pak are they not capible on there on ..dravid , dhoni ,sachin, ishant, harbjhan ..they are good players so dnt try to bring excuses

  • OpeninBatsman on October 5, 2009, 3:31 GMT

    @ r1zzy.. u just lack common sense.. aussie players are not out coz of any injusry xcept clarke... they retired n they will never come back.. out of d present team take out LEE,PONTING,n johnson then see ... same thing happened woth Inida.. stop crying little baby... n stop blaming BCCI for poor performence

  • OpeninBatsman on October 5, 2009, 3:29 GMT

    @r1zzy --we r nt sore losers..i just startd d topic as reply to some of d comments...n i neva made xcuses..we played badly n were out.. n if u r saying Indian side is over rated Check d ICC rankings..ya i know u will now say ICC rankings are biased too ha ha.. we are the only team dat has won all the bilateral series last year...about pak..their batting line up is laughable man... a club level opener in Imran Nazir n Same finesher in Afridi.... u shud b happ dat u guys even reached d semis..the bowling is good thoughl

  • SKKhan on October 5, 2009, 2:51 GMT

    @Jarr30, stop resenting Pak success, doesn't matter if Pak beat injury plagued India or not, they beat them and learn to live with it. We lost the Banglore semi becuase of injured/unfit/unwell Wasim, ever heard Pakistan fans complain about that and I don't know how long you will use that excuse, as with the current Indian cricket schedule, i think most the time they will be a injury plagued team. And on semi loss, i do think the final power play should be taken earlier around 40th over and while bowling Shoiab Malik could have been tried earlier as he was getting more considerable amount of spin and in light of poor bowling form of Gul and Rana.

  • Akira314 on October 5, 2009, 2:03 GMT

    Guys! i think you need to see the stats before you comment about pakistan got lucky to be in the final just because there were No MR Sehwag and no MR Yuvraj or CHris Gayle. Pakistan have beaten India and West Indies so many times when your Mr Sehwag and Yuvraj were playing. Dont need to be emotional just because India Lost to Pakistan. take it easy.

  • DrDonaLolo on October 5, 2009, 1:56 GMT

    I don't blame Simon for poor umpiring, he is a human and can make mistakes but ICC people should use their brains to reduce these mistakes. I am still thinking what kind of captain can go into match with an injury and drop the sitters. I am not like an Indians who make so many excuses after losing the match. I am just little bit mad at ICC for not using referral system in odis. Well played NZ!!!! Dear Simon please don't take so much tension for these poor decisions, it could happen to any umpire.

  • DrDonaLolo on October 5, 2009, 1:56 GMT

    Actually, we didn't lose this match from NZ, we clearly lost this match from Simon Taufel, his umpiring was too below the standards. I got shocked to see his bad decisions throughout the match. I am still thinking how you can give a batsman out when he hit the ball with middle of the bat. It was a shocker by very over rated Simon; I don't believe he is anymore a world best umpire. My question to ICC, How it is ok for you to waste 30 minutes per match just to check the fielder touches the rope or not but in a very important match the third umpire doesn't have few seconds to check one replay to make sure that Simon shouldn't have given the batsman LBW wrongly out when he had hit with the middle of the bat. Simon umpiring was very poor throughout in the very important match. ICC management if you have little sense please use your brains and start using the referral system in all kind cricket.

  • ICCexpert.... on October 5, 2009, 0:34 GMT

    PCB, PCB, PCB, For God's sake change the middle order, M. Yousf, Yunis Khan, Malik and Misbah are for test matches not for one dayers, look at Autralia, India they have different sides for tests and one dayers. Its because of Yunis, Yousf and Malik that Pak lost the semis, all they know is to waste important overs. Yunis come in when power play is still there, is he a power play player, please tell me, can he clear the in field area, no way. It should be Umar Akmal at no 3. Pleaseeeeeee. What do you say guys ? please vote.

  • Himayun on October 4, 2009, 21:17 GMT

    There are some, who want to play & captain Younus Khan and drop everybody else. For strange reasons he is a sacred cow and cannot be touched no matter if he fails as batsman, fielder, or captain. Just compare him to DV the winning captain, that tells the whole story.

    YK, wasted too many balls and still failed miserably as batsman. That put too much pressure on the other batsmen and bowlers. The meager score against Australia despite keeping wickets in hand tells the story. They should have won that game and it broke the winning sequence. YK, seems to take the game lightheartedly and not seriously. He does not have the fire in his belly as Ponting or DV. If captains were rated in this tournament, he would be in the bottom of the barrel. If YK cannot be selected as a batsman in one day, then he should be dropped let alone handed over the captain-ship.

  • SangakaraFan on October 4, 2009, 18:57 GMT

    Jarr30@... I agree with you 100%. Pakistan was very lucky to have a easy group to qualify to Semis which I feel they did'nt deserve. They won against injury plagued India and barely made it against a weak West-Indian side. I see lot of Pakis fans who are blaming on some umpiring desicions...Come On...NZ played better cricket. Pakistani batsmen just could'nt handle the bounce because they don't have any world-class players to play on bouncy pitches. They can only play on dead pitches. anyways now that New Zealand in the Final I am rooting for them .

  • r1zzy on October 4, 2009, 17:53 GMT

    @OpeninBatsman...3 main players out, what a joke!! Aus have coped fine without their stars, so did NZ. India are just over rated, they got destroyed against PK they werent even close, lucky against Aus and beat a standard WI side. Come on you Indians stop being sore losers and accept it, you were rubbish. Pak got beat by the better team on the day and full credit to NZ, Pak will be back and with a vengence.

  • FoolishCow on October 4, 2009, 17:40 GMT

    continued...

    4. Too many runs, no balls & free hits given by rana naved & u.gul at the time where runs had to be stopped at all cost.

    5. Drop catch by younis khan, sealed the match to NZ favor which made them win the SF.

  • FoolishCow on October 4, 2009, 17:32 GMT

    A standing ovation to NZ for their incredible all rounding performance in ysdy match. I wish them luck against the Ausies. Pak Tea, & ppl were too overconfident tat they wod reach Finals. Lesson to be learned tat never to underestimate ur opponent, even if they are underdog. Here are the 5 imp reasons y Pak lost the semi final:

    1. Poor batting performance by upper line up... m.yousuf, u.Akmal, s.ajmal & m.aamer played v.good innings. rest were disappointment as usual. Batting always been their weakest feature. ysdy was no exception. Bated poorly in all of their matches, including the successful ones.

    2. When u.akmal looked to score pak near 250 - 260, he was given out by simon toufel - poor umpiring & crucial wicket tat fell.

    3. Pak still dont know how & when to use batting power play... on the other hand, NZ played excellent innings in their batting power play & won the match.

  • osama94 on October 4, 2009, 17:18 GMT

    Pakistan lose the semi final just because of poor umpiring,

  • cricpolitics on October 4, 2009, 16:41 GMT

    I can totally understand the pain Indian fans have gone through over the last few months or so. The truth is they should expect more drubbing at the hands of Pakistan as well as other teams. They don't have to wait too long since Australia is the next team to thrash them on their home turf even when, according to some, their full strength team comes back. Indian team can not be a chamption team as long as they have mediocre bowlers and overhyped batsmen at their disposal.

    Well done Pak team, you are not the champions yet but are very well on the road to recovery!

  • MeAsFan on October 4, 2009, 16:35 GMT

    From this tournament i fell only one thing and that is it now time has came when Pakistani team need few changes like which they had done in t20. I always belive that Younis Khan is not a good ODI player he has a good techinique but how many times you remember Younis has really win game for pak in ODI Younis is very good test player but i can't understand what happens to him in ODI same time Yousuf also lost touch in ODI so plz plz plz think about 2011 wc and make changes according to that requirement. Give changes to geniue opening batsmen with 2years period. I think Imran is very lucy player coz he always get changes to play big tournament there is S.Butt who has done very good job in that position but his bad luck that he always fails near of big tournaments. Give place to S.Butt and find one another good parter for him and give changes to new talent Fawad Alam to play top of the order where he is very good which is domestic records also proves that and kick out old guys from ODI.

  • salmankhan1234 on October 4, 2009, 16:32 GMT

    After winning the T20 world cup I wasn't sure about pakistan's odi status but now I am very satisfy with it. We have the best bowling in the world up to date and a solid middle order but needs to work on a opener pair who can take an advantage of 15 over powerplay like Ghambir and sehwag. I play cricket and I know when it builds a pressure on middle order when a team don't have a opening start. 4 out of 17 current cricket player who have reached 5000 odi runs are in pakistan middle order. only 9 played champions trophy, 4 were in pakistan squad. I don't remember what was the last time I watch pakistan game and the score was 100/0. it was alway 100/3. the day we find the opener we will be one of the best team in the world. inshAllah

  • fahad.butt on October 4, 2009, 15:17 GMT

    poor batting performance, some incorrect umpiring decisions, a drop catch that could have turned the table and at the end poor captaincy in utilizing our key bowlers. all in all it just wasnt pakistan's day. but i totally understand that on the day, only one team has to win and pakistan tried their level best. its just that new zealand came in well planned in the second innings and pakistan just couldnt take the game from their hand. none the less, hope the players have learned something from this game and hopefully live up to the expectations of the people in the coming series. well done pakistan and congratulations to new zealand.

  • Jarr30 on October 4, 2009, 14:42 GMT

    I feel Pakistan was plain "LUCKY" to come to semi-final because all they beat was an under strength and injury plagued INDIA and just scrapped throught another under strength West Indian team. As far as Australia game was concerned the bowlers bowled really well during death overs. What if India would come with a full strength team, maybe Pakistan would have not won that game because Pakistan always play under pressure when Sehwag or Yuvraj is there. Whta if Gayle & co would be ther for the game against WI. So I feel Pakistan was just Lucky to come to semi-final.

  • crankypet on October 4, 2009, 14:39 GMT

    @ khanbhai89 - Aussies have been depleted. Haddin out, replacement doing ok, Clarke vc out (didn't get to 2 wickets down the other day so you couldn't tell) and Bracken out with knee injury, cornerstone of 1 day bowling attack for many years. Oh and I guess you forget about all the retirements. India depleted....laughable. That's what will happen in 2 years when all your "depleted" tea retires too!

  • lethalbouncer on October 4, 2009, 14:31 GMT

    The decision against Akmal was poor but at the end of the day, NZ was the better team on the day and that is why PK lost. There are a few comments from people on this board who seem to have deeply resented Pak's advance because of their own highly touted teams being knocked out or overzealous Pak fans who scream for people's heads when we lose.

    Let's remind ourselves that this team has played extremely well, there is some great talent in this team like Umar Akmal, Aamir, Ajmal and most importantly this is a team no other team can play without fear that, regardless of their ranking etc, they may be hit with a Pak X factor that may leave them reeling and this includes India, Aus and SA and has been openly admitted by the pandits of the game. We saw this in the convincing win against India and the close shave with Aus, both of whom are much better teams on paper. The Pak teams needs to take this and build on what they have achieved. Well done!

  • lethalbouncer on October 4, 2009, 14:18 GMT

    Osman, For once I don't agree with you - I think they underachieved based on talent alone but based on the team structure, strategy etc they did overachieve. Not utilizing power plays and going into test match mode on a regular basis by Younis (in the Aus match) and Yusuf (against NZ) is simply not a viable strategy because the rescue job to follow becomes too onerous. Pak needs to rotate more batsmen (Alam for example) into the team when "senior players" perform poorly. The bowling is in great shape but I still feel we need Asif and Shoaib back if we really want to become a truly dominant team. The teams stars are on the rise regardless of being outplayed by NZ - with some clever strategy and improvements in batting a top 3 slot within a year is on the cards.

  • OpeninBatsman on October 4, 2009, 14:00 GMT

    @ afficer-- depleted Indian side means we were missing yuvi (world no2) sehwag one of d best openers today n Zaheer.. ... just imagine taking out 3 of ur main players frm ur side n then comment..

    as for d pakistani match was concerned they didnt score enuf runs..simple..but i think had they scored around 260 their bowling attack was good enuf to win the match..

  • Nipun on October 4, 2009, 13:45 GMT

    Reading the fan's sentiments here has been shocking.Younus Khan drops a catch which he would take 999/1000 times,suffers poor form with the bat(everyone does),& suddenly he seems to be the mother of all problems in Pakistan's ODI cricket.India lost to Pakistan because Pakistan played really good cricket that day...& fans crying that India were weakened ! With S.Tendulkar,R.Dravid,G.Gambhir,S.Raina,M.S.Dhoni,H.Singh,A.Nehra,R.P.Singh,I.Sharma,India were a weakened side!What makes most of the Indian & Pakistani fans so desperate?I used to think that cricket was a sport;it seems as if cricket is a war!

  • Nipun on October 4, 2009, 13:33 GMT

    For a team that does not have the opportunity to play regular cricket,Pakistan have done really well.But Pakistan would continue to be unsuccessful in the longer versions of the game like 50 overs & test cricket as long as they have players like Imran Nazir,whose role is clearly to make up the XI.Against New Zealand,he got out to a good ball,but clearly,an average of 24 in 80 games-just not even decent enough for an established cricket nation.& yes,it is also not good enough to have a middle order which seems to raise its game only when the match is against India.Younus Khan is in poor form at the moment,& Shoaib Malik,Mohammad Yousuf & Misbah Ul Haque are neither here nor there.Even more surprising is the fact that Umar Akmal continues to be given opportunities from no.6 or below,with players like Kamran Akmal & Imran Nazir,batsmen who average 24-25,filling up the top order.

  • M_H_K on October 4, 2009, 13:19 GMT

    Yesterday was a bad day for Pakistan. Some umpiring decisions and drop catch cost us the match. But that's all the part of the game. However Pakistan Played well. Younis and Yousaf should also be aggressive in the middle overs. Better luck Pakistan for the future. I hope next time they will be more consistent in their approach and will not loose to a club level team like New Zealand.

  • blackcaps69 on October 4, 2009, 13:15 GMT

    I just want to say to all of you who said pre semi-final 2 ( nz v pak ), that it would be an Australia versus Pakistan Final, RESPECT YOUR OPPOSITION !! And now all i see is sour grapes statements. New Zealand always show respect to there opponents, and to eliminate - Sri Lanka, England & Pakistan is a big feat for us. We don't have the playing numbers nationally like India, Australia, England or South Africa. We don't have talented skilled players like Tendulcar, Ponting, Kallis, Harbijan, Sangakkara or even Shahid Afridi. We do have TEAM work and a bit of kiwi ingenuity to beat teams better than us. I bet most will say an easy win for Australia, maybe, maybe not. Picking an outcome is a guess. Betting on the better team is a calculated guess. Losing to a lower ranked team is from showing NO respect. Australia always show New Zealand respect and in doing so, have my repsect. If my New Zealand team win vs Australia in the ICC Champions Trophy Final, please next time, show us respect !

  • asfandyar_pakipower on October 4, 2009, 13:12 GMT

    i think you hit the nail on the head ...pakistan really made a mess of batting powerplays throughout the tournament maybe they are still not fully aware of this rule ...pakistan has the habbit of playin slowly in the begning overs and than finish strongly to reach competitive totals but the thing which is noticable that in those days we had razzak ,kamran akmal and rana coming in late overs but now we only have rana who is still not in the catogory of great all rounders or big hiters so bring razzak back and use powerplay with more sense...i think our batting was our biggest enemy in this addition of champions trophy ....

  • Ribs on October 4, 2009, 13:05 GMT

    @khanbhai89 I am strongly objecting some uncivilized comments made by you. Dont use the words like stupid indians and all. I beleived that these conversations needs be constructive. Last one year Indian team achieved so many series wins. In cricket any bowler can take any bodys wicket if his day same thing applicable to the batsman as well. Cricket means uncertenity that is the very speacial about this game. It is a good achievement for the Pak team to reach ICC semis without playing so many international matches. But at the same time the current pak team's quality is not enough to win consistently. That is the bitter truth you have to accept. Main problem with the subcontinent teams are lack of consistency. If you want to improve our teams performances near to SA and Australia our local matches needs to be more competative. Otherwise our blue moons wins will contine like this. I hope Indian cricket moving in a direction, hopefully they will come back very strongly against Australia

  • ROOMIDAHERO on October 4, 2009, 13:01 GMT

    As a Pakistani fan I m disaapoainted that Pakistan lost but well done to the Kiwis for out playing Pakistan from the outset. They never let Pak players express themselves in their unhibited instinctive way of playing cricket by tight bowling n fielding. Pakistan batting seemed too defensive except Umar Akmal. Selection was fine but Pakistan missed a trick by not giving Afridi Akmal and Rana a chance to bat up the order and get some useful time in the middle against the Aussies. Decision against Akmel was bad and these things happen in cricket. Paksitan's mind set was defensive and thats why they lost. Had they played in the same intense manner like they did against India they would have won but that kind of intent was missing from the word go when they aimed for 200 plus ( according to Yunis in the pre match interview) where they should have been aiming for 300.

  • afficer on October 4, 2009, 12:49 GMT

    i cant stop laughing with the word depleted indian side...can somebody explain? dhoni...no 1 rankd in icc player ranking...captain of world 11....sachin 17 thousand runs..44 centuries..420+ odis...gambhir...icc player of the year and 1st rankd in icc test rankngs...rahul dravid..10 thousand + rums..the wall...harbajhan the turbanotor...ishant sharma the CB series hero...raina the ipl hero...yusuf pathan...the ipl hero...nehra..r.p singh..what else u indians want?ponting?hayden?gilchrist or smith?but sory these are not good players indictd by icc awards.....and all those criticizng yunas for not taking powrplay..just read the cricket rules..it is not yunas but the batsmen in the middle who decide when to take the powrply just like the bad lite rule in tests...and plz dnt forget it was a bouncy wicket and not gadhafi stadium that u could score freely.due credit to yusaf n umar..bad day but its jst a game..no need to change captian..and be positive.

  • ihaq1 on October 4, 2009, 12:12 GMT

    well the umpiring was adequate enough...one or two bad decisions per match are teh norm these days...new Zealand were teh emerging side playing well despite losing a lot of top order players...Younis ahs been playing badly in one dayers and 20-20's...maybe it is time for for a seperate one day captain too...al the senior players failed including afridi and shoaib malik...maybe teh bowling combination could have been changed and chaiging teh batting order in an important match is never good...misbah played well in teh last match and he should have played in place of younis khan...decision making is probably not younis khans good suit and he should have known whether he can play properly or not with an injured finger...not scoring fast enough in teh first eight overs despite good bowling from the kiwis...kiwis have an unsettled batting lineup but they are quite experienced and their bowling lineup was the best i have seen in a long time...they did not allow pakistan to get away at all

  • Ribs on October 4, 2009, 12:09 GMT

    I think now a days most of the fans having a clear ideas about the Game. None of our cricket experts mentioned in their columns about the pak's poor batting performance against aussies and their deliberate efforts to loose. Most of the people accepted my point and thanks for that.

  • Sherazpakistan on October 4, 2009, 11:45 GMT

    The best 2 performing teams are in the final & as a Pakistani fan it is sad to see, but as a cricket fan it is good 2 see. How can anyone justify Pakistan being in the Semis by just having ONE good win against a weakened Indian side? Yes there were some incorrect umpiring decisions that went against us, but when Raina was threatening 2 take the game away from Pakistan he was also incorrectly adjudged out. Besides the umpires had nothing to so with us not taking a timely Power Play. How can you expect to win against any decent side when Imran Nazir is ur opener? The last time he got a 50 against a good side was in 2000!! Why did the captain repeatedly not play Alam thru out the tournament? Pakistan was extremely lucky to even get to the semis in the 1st place. We have a very weak batting, but over all i think the signs are not all that bad. Umar Akmal & Aamer are great finds & if Asif gets back into his groove & InshALLAH when Afridi gets dropped Pakistan will be a force again in 2020

  • ejsiddiqui on October 4, 2009, 11:35 GMT

    Umar Akmal should be give the promotion in battig order.

    Asif should be played on the place of Rana or out of form Gul.

    Although, Pakistan lost but it shows that it is not easy to score 250+ runs against Pakistan.

    As Ian chappel said "Australian team don't beat themselves, you have to beat them" but in Pakistan's case their toughest opponent is theirself. The regularly beat themselves.

    Still I am hopefull the this team can be agreat unit if them just fine tune themselves.

  • ejsiddiqui on October 4, 2009, 11:28 GMT

    Pakistan lost due to a elemant called "Self-destruction" (although umpires also made their contribution.

    1- Our main problem was our approach. How a team can win in ODIs if they think 260-270 is a good score. Wakeup guys, gone are days when it was said "Stay on the crease it ll give u the runs". Now, if can't score run a ball (atleast 80% strike rate if not 100) then ur not a good ODI batsman.

    2-Pakistan lost 80% of the match in their batting period. Yousaf also has its contribution in Pakisan's loss. These type of batsmen take team under pressure due to bad run rate. Yousaf should be warned to play with strike rate not less than 80% otherwise he should only play test cricket.

    3- Pakistani batsmen get scarred when there is a turn and bounce in the pitch. So, similar type of pitches should be produced in Pakistan.

    4- Batsman r getting too slow, e.g. Misbah has only hit one six in 2009

    5- Pakistan bowling was not bad, but NZ did not have any pressure due to small tot

  • ashabir on October 4, 2009, 11:19 GMT

    1 bad umpiring decision, 1 dropped dolly catch...notwithstanding this, nz won fair and square, with many of their top players out injured.pakistan lost owing to our usual ARROGANCE...younis saying we SHALL beat both India(true) and australia(bullshit when push came to shove), and WIN the cup...this owing to a win in the T-20 for which pakistan will crow for years..also arrogance of coach inthikhab alam at the airport on leaving for the tournament when he said pakistan has THE 2 BEST SPINNERS IN THE WORLD...not, mind you 2 OF the best spinners but the 2 best...he does not know of/remember murli, vettori(who, incidently, was instrumental in shafting pakistan in this match), harbhajan, and mendis, just to mention a few. Let us get down to basics and try and mould some very promising youngsters, get rid of old deadwood...maybe we can become best in the world in all 3, tests,50/50,T-20

  • dashing_dear on October 4, 2009, 11:07 GMT

    I believe, as a Pakistani Supporter, It was an ordinary performance by Pakistan and well done Black Caps, there isn't any need of excuses. It wasn't Pakistan's day, they fielded, batted and bowled poorly except a few. Everyone has a right to criticize but it should be constructive. I hope NZ beats Australia in finals, Love Pakistan Love Pakistan Cricket.

  • HERA_PAKISTAN on October 4, 2009, 11:04 GMT

    I sincerely regret Pakistan Team Loss as they have passion to beat any team in the world but they lack committments to give a final boost of all there supernatural abilities, Younis Khan has not dropped the catch but he drop the trophy of ICC 2009, I hope in future they will not do the same.... Any way it was worth to see the magnificent tournament..... Don't feel sorry we have a good team we can come in 2011 World Cup and can beat any team in the world....

  • Fahad_Imam on October 4, 2009, 10:38 GMT

    good article osman ..i always like ur articles to read nd discuss.. as far as pak loss is concerned in semis definitely i am sad bt i am nt disappointed at all b/c the team which is victim of hypocrisy from last 2-3 years at international level bt despite of tht who became champions of T20 and remain in top 4 of champions trophy represents its aptitude .. anderson 2010 & ribs ur comments r nt more than mockery fr me b/c i agree pak play badly against aus to kick india out of the tournaments if ur indian u know tht psychology better than me bt if ur non asians then dnt try to represents ur self as lofty coz now answer my question why england loss against nz from really poor cricket on 29 sep simply to close down all the hopes of sri lanka..as far as umpiring in semifinal is concerned it need great criticism from pak b/c at important matches if this type of silly decisions wld tke ten it will lost interest in game of many people so pak shld raise this issue with others

  • rohan024 on October 4, 2009, 10:35 GMT

    Well not always the luckier team will win, at some point this had to happen. The overhyped inflated bubble of Pakistani bowlers had to burst and it did in the semis. Its funny to see so many of pakistanis cribbing about the por umpiring decision of Akmal. Well when Raina was sending every ball out of the ground against pakistan then it was the umpire, which saved you. Otherwise Raina would have finished the match by 45th over. The simple fact is that the only way in which Pakistan can win a cricket match is when they bat first. There's absolutely no possibility of them to chase even a reasonable score under pressure. They were lucky that they won the toss against India and posted a good score but in semis, batsmen just froze. Afridi is definitely in for some record. By the time he finishes he career, i wont be surprized if he has a record of maximum under-5 or under-10 innings. of course he ll be the leading ducker (22 ducks in 280 matches till now) too by that time.

  • Dubai78 on October 4, 2009, 10:33 GMT

    Hi there! .. Even I am surprised to see people unable to be neutral while giving there remarks about any team, I really feel bunch of racist giving there remarks or expressing there dislike for some team, come on guys this is game and someone will loose and someone will win.What I saw in the past and if I compare it with the recent matches I see new zealand and pakistan both improving and Australia already professional as before.I must say Umpires must be questionable by some authority otherwise it ruins the game. It was pakistan teams unlucky strokes which let them down initially later unquestionable mistakes of Umpire.I like the new zealanders as they were not good enough match for pakistan but they have taken full advantage and yes they are improving now.In general Pakistan team must have a Plan B , Plan C and Plan D and even more if needed.Not just comming to bat and batting planlessly,Guys stick to the plan.dont be in a hurry.good thing is that even new zealand were positive.

  • Rahul_78 on October 4, 2009, 10:32 GMT

    I dont agree with osman that pakistan overachieved. If anything they have underachieved. They have bowling attack to die for. The best in the business at the moment. There batsmen are enigmatic. When they will realise that they always dont need to score 300 runs to win matches like india to win matches they will be world bitters. Youus is a able captain. Given how little pakistan is playing quality international circket now a days and all the politics at board leve, asif and shoaib issues and ICL they are doing great. I am an indian but really admire pak cricket team for reaching semis and wining t20 where star studed millionaires comprising indian team was out even before the tournament began.

  • Muzaffar_Saeed on October 4, 2009, 10:28 GMT

    Mr. Umar Gul should be ashamed of himself to be called a death overs specialist bowler In my eyes he is not even allowed to be called himself a bowler. 3 deliveries at the time when the equation was 28 runs 30 balls and we had it, it was over in just those three deliveries he gave away 14 runs effectively sealed the match for the kewis.

    The next great hero is our old chap MR RANA, who we thought must be busy these days in saying prayers. Oh for God Sake get rid of these fired bullets they have done what ever they could do years go .

  • lahoria on October 4, 2009, 10:23 GMT

    I am really surprised of so many peole complementing younis khans captaincy. He is too defensive when batting (Most of the Times he says 240 would be good on a 300+ pitch). The other thing which I can t understand is why the Pakistani batsman have to make a mess of batting. Okay fine, if you are ot finding the boundries than why the heck don t you take the single and rotate the strike.

    Another thing which surprised me when the third wicket of newZealand fell and younis didn t attack the new batsman with a few fielder closing in to him. Thats actually the place where we lost it, cuz NewZealand was happy to take 4 runs from the spinners, whereas younis had no problem by letting the milk these singles without any pressure. Had he blocked those singles, NewZealand would have been forced to take risk and the wickets woul have fallen automatically.

    younis Khan is a good human beeing and a calm person who can gel the team together, but tacticwise he has a long way to go

  • hanscron on October 4, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    All the pakistan fans are saying umar akmal given out wrongly, if he not given out then they will win this match. Then wat about Raina. Raina given out LBW wrongly wen he dominated the paki bowlers during the run chase. If he is not out definitely india won that match. All paki fans know about that. Second thing this type of umpiring decision is common in cricket, because umpires also human beings. Eventhough umpires have to concentrate more to reduce their mistakes.

  • Skywalker1977 on October 4, 2009, 9:46 GMT

    Why does the world always conspire to bring Pakistan down? What does the world get out of it? Why is it always Pakistan and not some other nation like Bangladesh, India, Srilanka or even the West Indies? Maybe South Africa some day for a change? Can someone answer this for me please?

  • sher_yusuf on October 4, 2009, 9:31 GMT

    Pakis should realise atleast now!, that they have 80% batting flaws, they should not be ashamed to take india's support to correct it at all levels, even thier attacking plans to be reviewd as most of the time the tactics are not successfull, I agree the inconsistency, and hence the most entertaining team too. Afridi cannot go back to amatuer after playing so sensibly in T20 games, that is what I call inconsistency again, Missing Abdul Razzzak kind a player was big mistake, a perfect allrounder really adds volume all depts and cannot be made to sit out in any tournament with hoards of experience. [the comments are not to crticise, but to point improvements]

  • khanbhai89 on October 4, 2009, 9:31 GMT

    @crankypet Aus undermanned? Pointing, hussey, lee, johnson(award winner), shane watson, others, if these are undermanned team then i don't know what will happen, It is really sad to read many of comments like ironhed are indians and acting like pakistani, Most of here comments here do not have sportsman spirit. anderson2010, vinodkd99,... Yeah offcourse i also love my country, but that does not mean that i do not respect other teams and player, I'm pakistani I say tendulkar is world class player, Pointing is, Brett lee is a good bowler, smith is a good batsman, murlitheran is a good baller,vertori is a good baller, We did mistakes in NZ match but still we had wonderful spell from Amair, Batting from Akmal.. Pakistan is a Good team and will be 50/50 World Cup Champions in 2011 thats my love for my country and for cricket lets the best team win 50/50 world cup. Our team will Inshallah prove it in the ground..!! Up For Pakistan!!!

  • newborn1 on October 4, 2009, 9:30 GMT

    this was a good match and the one who plays responsibly won, and NZ was a better team that day, but we must learn from our mistake, yousuf should have played responsibly this was a ODI and not atest match, shahid afridi should learn something in batting, younus khan should have obeyed the advice of doctors, misbah should have been in, but this is all if's and but's, we should focus on future, forget the past, learn and watch the match again on TV, you will find out the reason for a failure, but at the end of the day it was a good game amd we should congrat. NZ for playing a better cricket.

  • Umar_razzaQ on October 4, 2009, 9:28 GMT

    although pak lost but i m happy with the way things progressing in pak cricket.. no one rated pak for the top 4.. no one expected that pak going to beat india and nearly beaten aus.. so pak tem has shown the character... hats off to them...WE SALUTE OUR HEROES.. (v r nt lyk our neighbours;-))

  • Jeganlal on October 4, 2009, 9:22 GMT

    I am disheartened to see the Ind - Pak grudges carried forward in such professional sports forum.. Keeping that aside, I would emphasize on one point - Win is a win; no matter if it is at the side of undeserved.. Coming to the point, its high time for Pak to play with some proper strategy.. Its for years and years now that they havent planned and executed.. and so they stand unpredictable even today.. I dont see any common sense applied by the captain and his fellow comrades in the team.. They should plan and frame "How they want to win?".. If they can do so, then they need not reinvent the wheel of success as they step into the cricketing field on any given day.. They should think and act professional in the field.. I personally got surprised by the artificial animatic gestures of the players arising out of their over excitement.. and what Pak has not done in the cricketing past was done by NZ over years; the result in S/F was an anecdote.. they just planned and executed..

  • khanbhai89 on October 4, 2009, 8:58 GMT

    I totally agree with Osman, we were not rated to even go to semi-final but we did. We almost won against Aus. About Naved yeah he did not ball well, but what happened when he balled 2 made-in overs against Aus. This captain led us to win t20, The thing still we lost bad umpiring decisions should also be counted, if Akmal would have continued i can easily bet they would have scored more Don't act like stupid Indians, that one match lost and then they start taking out funerals of Indian, act like real sports man and Paki, I think this team should same and continue. Indians should not speak, you had ghambir, you tendulkar, dravid, dhoni, ishant, harbajhan, still our 17 year old Paki got tendulkars wicket Out of curosity i have researched alot when pakistan wins their first match they will never win the tournament or series, when they loose 80% chance they win the tournament

  • thehord on October 4, 2009, 8:56 GMT

    younis shouldnt have even been playing his poor batting let them down as well as the drop chance due to his injured finger

  • anderson2010 on October 4, 2009, 8:54 GMT

    Ribs, Further to your comments. I did say after the match against australia that Pakistan don't have a proper batsmen. but all pakistan supporter were busy gloating over the fact that match went to the wire. The way they let lee and hauritz of the hook was nothing short of hiding. Australia lost interest after a while and they took the foot off the paddle. It has been proven 3 times (against WI, aus, and now NZ) pakistan have club class batsmen barring yousuf. I hope newzealan dont have get carried away after a victory over ordinary pakistan side.

  • crankypet on October 4, 2009, 8:52 GMT

    Why did Pakis lose? Because NZ were the better side! Umpires Umpires Umpires, racism, always believing someone is conspiring against you. Why did India lose? Undermanned team, excuses excuses excuses. England were undermanned, they made it to the semi. Aust are undermanned, they've made it to the final. Typical pathetic inferiority complex. You're just not good enough. Now you all say "wait for the 7 match series, knockout format not fair due to one bad decision MAYBE swaying the winner". Sorry, this is the format of the world cup too! You were not complaining about the knockout format in T20 when you WIN!. Well done NZ. Let's hope for a great final.

  • vinodkd99 on October 4, 2009, 8:51 GMT

    Personally speaking, I also do endorse the points as laid down by RIBS. In the Australia - Pakistan match, Pakistan scored 31 runs from Powerplay and that too when they had wickets in hand and more strangely they did not lose bunch of wickets either. In short they did not score when there was no reason for the same. Stroke player like Umer Akmal scored 2* off 8 balls in Power plays at fag end of the innings.

    Every one knows that aussies are a bit vulnerable against spin. When Aussies were going strong, Ajmal was introduced as late as in 25th over and by that time Aussies had got hold of match.

    over the past 20 years, how many times have we seen a score of only 205 when a team has lost only 6 wickets in 50 overs and that too not in a flurry at any point of time.

    some food for thought.

  • gul_khan on October 4, 2009, 8:50 GMT

    i'm a little shocked at some of the criticism being levelled at the pak team. if you had said to me in june that pak would win the t20 and reach the semis of the icc i would have chewed your right arm off. considering their lack of cricket and the state of country, pak have over achieved.

    sure, pak has a problem with its batting, but these things can be sorted with the right amount of effort and practice.

    for now i would just look back over the last 4 months and think to myself, the team did good!

  • vinodkd99 on October 4, 2009, 8:22 GMT

    It is really surprising to see all those sort of comments from Pakistan fans. 1. It is agreed that Umer Akmal was not out. But then what about Steve Davis giving Raina out at the time when run chase was in India's favour. So did anyone of you contribute to this blogspot that day. 2. You are living in a fools paradise by depicting Pakistan to be a hot favourite. it lost to Australia, lost to Kiwis, nearly lost to Windies, beat an Indian side that was without the actual firepower players. 3. Pakistan should do some sort of retrospection of their national team. Only Aamer, Umer and partly Ajmal seem to be worth of being drafted into a good national side. All other players do come up with once in a blue moon performance that is not good enough for them to be in Top 3 in International Cricket. 4. Slot for openers is in a big mess. This can be gauged from the fact that a player like Imran Nazir is being given repeated chances despite flopping as ever. So please stop blaming umpires

  • anderson2010 on October 4, 2009, 8:01 GMT

    rohan024. I totally agree with you. Pakistan wins one match against depleted indian side and suddenly they are considered world beating side. lol. Fact remains that pakistan is a most inconsistent team in the world, bit like bangladesh really. Pakistan don't even have openers (kamran is not a top order batsman and Nazir is another brainless slogger). They dont even have middle order. This non-existent middle order is followed by line of brainless sloggers afridi, rana and gul.

  • Daiya on October 4, 2009, 7:45 GMT

    NZ have had their fair share of umpiring decisions. There were a couple of LBWs when they were batting against ENG that looked plumb but were given NOT OUT. If those had gone the other way they would have probably got knocked out. Even in this game a couple of decisions went there way and again they survived to go through to the final. I wonder if they could beat AUS if they get a couple of decisions going their way in the final.

  • ft001 on October 4, 2009, 7:33 GMT

    Quote mohammedhassam86:

    "The most interesting thing about this game was the empiring. I don't if the empires were just acting strange because from what I saw a couple of LBW appeals from Pakistan were clearly out. I think somehow it was a setup for not letting pakistan go thru to the finals. And the out Taufel gave to Umar Akmal was ridiculous. I think the ICC should look into thsi dirty empiring dilema"

    i was also very distubed about the lbw. i think it was a turning point in the pakistani inning.

    With all the innovation ans new rules, why not bring in a rule likewise in tennis, which allows the captain to challenge a umpiring decision. ok restrict it to maybe 1 or 2 decsions per match.

    With the challenge taken, the third umpire would review the decision on the TV screen and give his verdict

    i would think that should be the ploy! that's how it is done in tennis

  • sharifff on October 4, 2009, 7:28 GMT

    Tough luck for Younis Khan. He did well, but sometimes goes in vain. Being such a gr8 fielder of pakistan, he droped the catch which he can take 999/1000 times.Its just a off-day. Reasons for pak loosing match are umpiring decissions, extras, Umar Akmal's unfortunate out at the crucial time, Rana Naveed's bowling, Run-out missed by Afridi.

  • ft001 on October 4, 2009, 7:25 GMT

    winning and losing is part of the game. The only thing which hurts is the way country's loose.

    Batting was absolutely ppor, after a good start from the openers, pakistan fail to cash on it. Batting order was shuffled around and opportunities lost. Can someone tell me what shoaib malik was intedning to do with his shot, when he got out? I don't know why pakistans played so negative cricket in the middle overs, i mean if you can't get boundaries, you ought to play in the gaps and take single and convert them into doubles. i really think it is time to rebuild for 2011. I mean yousuf is 35, he should leave, so also misbah-ul-haq. Younis Khan underperformed as well. We still don't have a regular opener. bring back butt with imran as openers, other option would be imran farhat and imran nazir as openers. We can't afford the unpredictiveness of shahid afridi, he manages to play like one big inning in one year, so drop him from ODI side too.

  • mohammedhasham86 on October 4, 2009, 7:01 GMT

    I really don't understand what has been going thru Younis Khan's mind. He can't take the power play at the right time and his bowling strategy is senseless. If I could blame someone it's him and the coach. I think they should played Mohammed Asif instead of Rana Naved because Rana gave away a lot of boundaries at a crucial moment. The most interesting thing about this game was the empiring. I don't if the empires were just acting strange because from what I saw a couple of LBW appeals from Pakistan were clearly out. I think somehow it was a setup for not letting pakistan go thru to the finals. And the out Taufel gave to Umar Akmal was ridiculous. I think the ICC should look into thsi dirty empiring dilema because it went around a lot during the game. Anyways I am a diehard Pakistan fan and I really wish them good luck in the future. Don't worry my team you will be successful. I have full confidence and faith in you.

  • DaNyo on October 4, 2009, 6:49 GMT

    I think the kind of turmoil Pakistan cricket has faced in the last year or so I am very proud of our team and captain. He was playing with a broken finger and wanted to win for Pakistan. Yes , he went out of form and did not play well but hats off to him for atleast showing an intent and giving his best. Only weakness that I see in the current Pakistan team is the opening and no balls. They dont need two hitters who throw away their wickets after making 20 something runs. They have to be sensible and take responsibility. Younis Khan on the other hand is doing a good job and this team has a lot of potential. Yes he dropped a dolly but we as a nation we have to stand with him in the defeat just like we do when he wins. He was a part of that decisive gambhir run out in the match against India and lead team pretty well throughout. Yes I would have loved to see them in the final on Monday and I know things would be different had he taken that catch or Umar Akmal was not given out wrongly.

  • IFFI_01 on October 4, 2009, 6:42 GMT

    No doubt NZ has showed a disciplined bowling attack and fielding but this is also true that the did not hurt Pakistan more than what Simon & Co. Pakistan actually lost against BLIND - Umpires!

    Not only Simon wrong judgment given Umar Akmal out but this also restricted Pakistan total score to a modest. The worst umpiring was seen during pakistan fielding where 4 legitimate LBW requests were denied. Well done Simon & Co, you win the game !

  • BigDataIsAHoax on October 4, 2009, 6:41 GMT

    @Ribs' point above - I completely agree that Pakistan made a deliberate attempt to bat badly against Australia. This task was wonderfully carried out by their captain and yousuf. Obviously these senior players did not want india to qualify. What happened is, they carried on their miserable batting for into the match against NZ and got hammered. Youngsters like Mohd Aamer played out of their skin to give pak a respectable total. But, that was still not enough. There are no signs of a great team here. To be a great team you have to be consistent and win all over the world like India and australia. India has won in OZ, in NZ, in WI, in SL. IT's time we follow our neighbours and and lets not feel ashamed about that.

  • rohan024 on October 4, 2009, 6:19 GMT

    everyone including media, commentators and fans has to take the blame for Pakistan defeat. They win one match against a depleted Indian side and all of a sudden they are been talked about as the most likely side to win the CT. Everyone forgets that in the last 3 years, the only country (apart from BD) they have won a ODI series against is West Indies. They hav lost to India (away), SL (home and away), Asia cup (home), Australia (UAE) and South Africa (home) during this period. A victory here and there won't make them a team of any substance. Look at Afridi's performance. In the last 3 years, an average of 16 with no absolutely no innings of significance while batting. Younis Khan has been shuting loud ever since the series began that he is injured and how he is still playing for his country. You want others to say such things about you, not yourself. And those rhetorics came back to hit him when he dropped a sitter of Elliot.

  • whaat2009 on October 4, 2009, 5:50 GMT

    The reality is that Pakistan play instinctive cricket and usually win in spite of themselves. They simply do not have a deep understanding of the game strategically and often defeat themselves, as they did today. I am endlessly frustrated by the foolish decisions made in team selection, poor judgements in shot selection and running, lack of shrewdness on the field and the fact that their organisation never seem to change for the better.

    The team reflects the country itself; ad-hocism, managerial incompetence, factionalism, amateurism. At least the corruption seems to have abated!

    So, let's not expect anything too much each time they play. It's all about individual brilliance, and that is enough to keep me watching at all hours of the day and night, even with the occasional epithet.......

  • hank on October 4, 2009, 5:43 GMT

    I am taking New Zealand over Australia any takers.......Go Black Caps Go...

  • ysmzihan on October 4, 2009, 5:40 GMT

    Fantastic match in last night. Thanks to Black caps and I like to write my comments about that match. Younis Khan, the Pakistan's captain who doesn't know how to use the batting order and bowling changes. In that movement Pak has three middle order experience batsman (Younus, Malik & Yousuf) but, in this occasion both are in out of form, meanwhile young Umar Akmal is in outstanding form in his last 5 ODIs so, younis use Umar as a no 3 or no 4, this is the a great deal turning point to pak's lost. Kamran & Imran are excellent opener. Yes that is really accurate and Shahid Afridi and Rana naved are powerful hitter in to last session so younis use to Rana as one down batting. When the last powerplay bowling younis must keep ameer at least three over but Gul is not confident bowler. Anyway younis is not lead to Pakistan from last night, afridi is one of good captain for Pakistan in this movement. Thanks

  • ChargerXI on October 4, 2009, 5:40 GMT

    As far as ICC Champion Trophy is concerned Pakistan played really like a unit. Some individual performances were not up to the mark. For Younis he has to forget the fact that he'll get respect only when he score runs. He's captain of Pakistan and that is a big respect for him. He has to forget that he is the captain when he go out to bat and has to play his natural game ( Don't be selfish just play your natural strokes and you will score more). In the semifinal he should have bought Shoaib or Ajmal into the attack when Elliot and Vettori were building up their partnership. Younis Khan needs to be sharp in his thinking and captain abilities. Please do not try to be Imran Khan be yourself and lead Pakistan from the front.

  • L4zybugg3r on October 4, 2009, 5:28 GMT

    @faforce I agree Pakistan does need to find a strong middle order batsmen but don't they already have one in Yousuf? I don't Pakistan cricket that much so I don't if they've tried elevating him to no.3 or 4. It seems he would be a good player for anchoring an innings so I reckon its better for him to bat higher. It kinda reminds me of when Dravid used to bat lower in the India ODI order as he's more of an accumulator than a slogger. The Pakistan team makeup seems to always have 5 frontline bowlers(I consider Afridi as a bowler these days and any runs he scores should be just a bonus imo as he's too unreliable at scoring runs) and they usually have a lot more problems with their batting. Maybe its time to try and pick another specialist batsmen and use part-time spin options to try and strengthen the batting. The dilemma with this approach would be which bowler to leave out(which is already a problem) though I reckon both Ajmal and Afridi seem to be bowling well but leaves only 2 pacers

  • Himayun on October 4, 2009, 5:17 GMT

    Younus failed as captain, batsman, and a fielder. If he cannot make the easiest of catches then he should not play period. Against both Australia & New Zealand he wasted too many balls and still scored miserably. To put is simply, Pakistan lost because they did not plan to play all 50 overs properly. Then at the most crucial time, the captain dropped a dolly. By sitting the unfit captain, Pakistan could have included either Asif or a specialist batsman.

  • Ribs on October 4, 2009, 4:46 GMT

    The way pak batted against Australia cost their winning momentum. So many people are excited about the last ball finish against Aussies, and all are forget how pak batted on that match. It is clearly indicated that they played for loosing for whatever reason may be they preferred to play against kiwis or they doesn't want India to reach the semifinal. The way pak played in the batting power play gives lot of doubt about that match. Even the match against India one bad umpiring decision (Raina's LBW) reduce Indias hopes no body made a complaint but this time everybody is talking about Umar Akmal LBW it seems to be strange. There is no execuse for Pak's lost the better team deserved to be win on that particular day Kiwis played better cricket. It is very good team effort (no bowlers average exceeds 6 and all the batsman scored double digit). Additionally Vettori mastered his team to reach finals. I hope kiwis can beat Aussies and people will mention this one as a upset.

  • Sjatoi on October 4, 2009, 4:17 GMT

    It is true that at the end of the day the drop catch may have made the difference but that is being too harsh on Younus Khan. Our bowling had been really good throughout the tournament while our batting had been sketchy. However, today our bowling had an off day and couldn't mask the failures with the bat. Irrespective of the result Pakistan should be proud that despite all the obstacles we were one of the top four teams in the tournament. We fought and scrapped against every opponent and left the field with dignity and self respect. Ask England how they feel after getting humiliated by the Australians. We play on placid tracks yet we adopted better than our neighbours who had the advantage of the IPL. All the hue and cry over a loss in a sporting event is unfair to say the least. We should feel proud that we have what it takes and finally have a leader who is not afraid to lose and in defeat has the courage to stand strong. Rally around Younus, our Captain, because our time will come.

  • sickleinmybrain on October 4, 2009, 4:09 GMT

    Sheikhsab.

    At the time that Elliott was dropped, the black caps still had a specialist batsmen and two allrounders to come. And only 50 or so runs to get. Pakistan had already lost at this stage.Not only that but the powerplay was also yet to come, I don't think there is any other team in the world right now that can utilize a powerplay to such perfection as New Zealand can.

  • tanveers on October 4, 2009, 3:49 GMT

    In the first Semi Final, Ricky Ponting led from the front and took Australia in the Final. Where as our captain, Younis Khan did just the opposite. He played poorly with the bat, dropped a crucial catch at the very demanding moment (and too a sitter). And did not use the powerplay at the right time (this is the biggest mistake). When he knew that Umer Akmal and Yousuf are the last recognized batting pair, there was no need to wait till the end. With the Powerplay rules, the captain has to be smart to use them wisely - not use them in the traditional way, by using them last. I personally like Younis Khan's candid interviews but he has to do better then that. Show some acumen in the field, not just big smiles and laughs.

  • ngdaddikar on October 4, 2009, 3:46 GMT

    Sheikhsaaaaab - if your team's leadership is strong (not necessarily as a player), it does well else it just self-destructs. Thank Younis that he has been able to keep players together as a bunch. He is a selfless cricketer and commands respect from his team mates. One thing I like about him is win or lose, he is always smiling. Good sign he realizes that cricket is a game unlike many others who are so serious all the time.

  • susrila on October 4, 2009, 3:28 GMT

    Pak made tactical mistake of taking it easy in their match before semis against Australia. It takes away the momentum from the team, which had developed nicely. Therefore they deserve to lose the semis and go out to the always hardworking kiwis.

  • newcricketer on October 4, 2009, 3:25 GMT

    pak selectors should remove Younis from cap and restrict him for tests only. Misbah and Asif should have played in this game. Younis should blame himself for his wrong sloppy fielding and cap decissions, instead of saying umpiring decission. you don't need both Younis and Yousuf in middle order, one is enough. correct team is without Younis; have misbah, asif in team, make afridi or shoaib cap.

  • s0ldier on October 4, 2009, 2:59 GMT

    High time Md.Yusuf is shown the door. He plays just for himself. When the criticism grows a lot against him, he goes and plays a big knock to cement his place for the next 20 games. In all those following games he'll score a scratchy 30-40 runs and when everyone thinks he's all set to propel the side to a big total, he throws his wicket away - perfect example - today!! He needs to be kicked out and Fawad Alam deserves a chance for the future of PAK cricket. As always, Afridi - over-hyped cricketer. What did he do with the bat today?He's the last recognized batsman, his team in dire straits, and the vice-captain...throws his wicket away. How many useful innings did he play? Everyone waits for his once-in-a-bluemoon knock. He made sure with his on-field antiques and off-field comments he's made the vice-captain. No matter how he bats now, his place is cemented!

  • cricpolitics on October 4, 2009, 2:53 GMT

    I hope all hell does not break out on this. Pakistan team has performed as good as any other team (perhaps much better than many) in the tournament. At the start of the tournament no one had given any chance to the Pak team to go on to finish in the top four. Perhaps they were involved in producing the best match of the tournament against Australia.

    I don't think any changes are required in this team. This team is on a good path at the moment and does have the ability to go back to it's glory days.

  • voyager on October 4, 2009, 2:41 GMT

    Credit should be given to NZ for bowling with discipline and not providing opportunities to pak batsmen like India did. As for Pakistan, they have played well especially considering what Pakistan and Pakistan's cricket has gone through during last few years. There should be no leg pulling now, same people who are asking for Younis Khan's head were after Shoaib Malik and insisting that Younis Khan should become captain. Key thing is that Pakistan fought hard and made other teams (Australia and NZ) earn their victory. Some key events in todays match contributed to the result. Shane Bond delivery to Imran Nazir after he worked hard to get his eye in, bad decision for Umar Akmal, Rana Naveed's bowling and off course dropped catch and missed run out but these are the things that separates watching sport from watching a movie and unfortunately many of the fans want to watch sports as a movie...

  • faforce on October 4, 2009, 2:39 GMT

    Pakistan needs to find a strong middle order batsmen. If Shoaib Malik's bowling isn't needed in presence of Afridi, and Ajmal then maybe we need to find a specialist middle order batsman who would have to account for his batting performance.

  • cricfan00001 on October 4, 2009, 2:22 GMT

    This always happens. When he played against India and won everyone praised his strong will power, and commitment. If that was a loss, he would have been attacked like this. His enthusiasm is not appreciated by any one. What about Shoib Malik and Mohammed Yousuf? Thay are also flop in the tournament. So everyone haave good and bad time.

  • Dr_Omar_Khan on October 4, 2009, 2:17 GMT

    Pakistan team has done great. They should be received like heroes when they return. They were by far the classiest team and played a huge role in the success of this tournament. Well done, Younis Khan and team. You have made a nation proud. Each match you guys fought to the end and didn't give up esp with all that happened unlucky umpiring calls, losing a reverse swinging ball, missing a run out, unlucky dropped catches. It's all part of the game. You guys did well for the sport and the nation and you all should stand tall, with heads held up high. We are proud!

  • chokkashokka on October 4, 2009, 2:14 GMT

    So glad this tournament will be over in a day - format full of flaws - bad weather and couple of bad lbw decisions from the umpire and the team is knocked out. Puhlease - lets this over with - I wish NZ wins the whole thing and no one pays any attention to this tournament. Next...can't wait for the 7 match series coming up so the true champions can be claim their crown. No flukes, no weather, 7 matches decided - fair and square - all arguments laid to rest. Full strength teams - end of story.

  • Sheikhsaaaaab on October 4, 2009, 1:37 GMT

    I wonder why the person who has written the article has overlooked Younis Khan's dropped catch which lost Pakistan the match. Elliot was dropped on 46 and went on to score 75 crucial runs. Younis has been made a hero of Pakistani cricket of late. His recent poor form in limited overs cricket does warrant him being dropped. Instead he played with an injury and persistently kept players like Umar Akmal and Misbah from getting their fair share of batting up the order. If at all there was a fault, it was and always has been Younis Khan himself. I feel Test matches suit him more merely because the T20 world cup was no accomplishment of his. It was Afridi who asked him to come below him in the order in the semi and final which won Pakistan that tournament.

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  • Sheikhsaaaaab on October 4, 2009, 1:37 GMT

    I wonder why the person who has written the article has overlooked Younis Khan's dropped catch which lost Pakistan the match. Elliot was dropped on 46 and went on to score 75 crucial runs. Younis has been made a hero of Pakistani cricket of late. His recent poor form in limited overs cricket does warrant him being dropped. Instead he played with an injury and persistently kept players like Umar Akmal and Misbah from getting their fair share of batting up the order. If at all there was a fault, it was and always has been Younis Khan himself. I feel Test matches suit him more merely because the T20 world cup was no accomplishment of his. It was Afridi who asked him to come below him in the order in the semi and final which won Pakistan that tournament.

  • chokkashokka on October 4, 2009, 2:14 GMT

    So glad this tournament will be over in a day - format full of flaws - bad weather and couple of bad lbw decisions from the umpire and the team is knocked out. Puhlease - lets this over with - I wish NZ wins the whole thing and no one pays any attention to this tournament. Next...can't wait for the 7 match series coming up so the true champions can be claim their crown. No flukes, no weather, 7 matches decided - fair and square - all arguments laid to rest. Full strength teams - end of story.

  • Dr_Omar_Khan on October 4, 2009, 2:17 GMT

    Pakistan team has done great. They should be received like heroes when they return. They were by far the classiest team and played a huge role in the success of this tournament. Well done, Younis Khan and team. You have made a nation proud. Each match you guys fought to the end and didn't give up esp with all that happened unlucky umpiring calls, losing a reverse swinging ball, missing a run out, unlucky dropped catches. It's all part of the game. You guys did well for the sport and the nation and you all should stand tall, with heads held up high. We are proud!

  • cricfan00001 on October 4, 2009, 2:22 GMT

    This always happens. When he played against India and won everyone praised his strong will power, and commitment. If that was a loss, he would have been attacked like this. His enthusiasm is not appreciated by any one. What about Shoib Malik and Mohammed Yousuf? Thay are also flop in the tournament. So everyone haave good and bad time.

  • faforce on October 4, 2009, 2:39 GMT

    Pakistan needs to find a strong middle order batsmen. If Shoaib Malik's bowling isn't needed in presence of Afridi, and Ajmal then maybe we need to find a specialist middle order batsman who would have to account for his batting performance.

  • voyager on October 4, 2009, 2:41 GMT

    Credit should be given to NZ for bowling with discipline and not providing opportunities to pak batsmen like India did. As for Pakistan, they have played well especially considering what Pakistan and Pakistan's cricket has gone through during last few years. There should be no leg pulling now, same people who are asking for Younis Khan's head were after Shoaib Malik and insisting that Younis Khan should become captain. Key thing is that Pakistan fought hard and made other teams (Australia and NZ) earn their victory. Some key events in todays match contributed to the result. Shane Bond delivery to Imran Nazir after he worked hard to get his eye in, bad decision for Umar Akmal, Rana Naveed's bowling and off course dropped catch and missed run out but these are the things that separates watching sport from watching a movie and unfortunately many of the fans want to watch sports as a movie...

  • cricpolitics on October 4, 2009, 2:53 GMT

    I hope all hell does not break out on this. Pakistan team has performed as good as any other team (perhaps much better than many) in the tournament. At the start of the tournament no one had given any chance to the Pak team to go on to finish in the top four. Perhaps they were involved in producing the best match of the tournament against Australia.

    I don't think any changes are required in this team. This team is on a good path at the moment and does have the ability to go back to it's glory days.

  • s0ldier on October 4, 2009, 2:59 GMT

    High time Md.Yusuf is shown the door. He plays just for himself. When the criticism grows a lot against him, he goes and plays a big knock to cement his place for the next 20 games. In all those following games he'll score a scratchy 30-40 runs and when everyone thinks he's all set to propel the side to a big total, he throws his wicket away - perfect example - today!! He needs to be kicked out and Fawad Alam deserves a chance for the future of PAK cricket. As always, Afridi - over-hyped cricketer. What did he do with the bat today?He's the last recognized batsman, his team in dire straits, and the vice-captain...throws his wicket away. How many useful innings did he play? Everyone waits for his once-in-a-bluemoon knock. He made sure with his on-field antiques and off-field comments he's made the vice-captain. No matter how he bats now, his place is cemented!

  • newcricketer on October 4, 2009, 3:25 GMT

    pak selectors should remove Younis from cap and restrict him for tests only. Misbah and Asif should have played in this game. Younis should blame himself for his wrong sloppy fielding and cap decissions, instead of saying umpiring decission. you don't need both Younis and Yousuf in middle order, one is enough. correct team is without Younis; have misbah, asif in team, make afridi or shoaib cap.

  • susrila on October 4, 2009, 3:28 GMT

    Pak made tactical mistake of taking it easy in their match before semis against Australia. It takes away the momentum from the team, which had developed nicely. Therefore they deserve to lose the semis and go out to the always hardworking kiwis.