India news May 1, 2011

Valthaty must do more for Ranji call-up - Jaffer

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Paul Valthaty has done his reputation no harm in the IPL, but he has more to do before he can get a call-up to the Mumbai Ranji team, Mumbai captain Wasim Jaffer has said.

"This performance [in the IPL] will help him. He has made those runs against quality bowling and I'm sure the selectors will keep that in mind," Jaffer told the Times of India. "However, you can't judge someone for first-class cricket based on performance in Twenty20 games.

"It's a different format. He has to do well in tournaments like the Times Shield [in which Valthaty plays for Air India] and prove himself."

Labelling Valthaty 'talented', Jaffer said the injury he suffered below his eye during the Under-19 World Cup in 2002 and inconsistency have set him back. "He was a good cricketer at the U-19 level. Unfortunately, he suffered an injury and then had a few lean years, when he was in and out of Mumbai teams.

"He has always played the odd remarkable innings in the Times Shield, but then would have a lean run. He was very inconsistent. However, with age people do mature and he has become better."

Valthaty grabbed the national spotlight by powering Kings XI Punjab home in a big chase against Chennai Super Kings with a blistering century on April 13. Since then, he has been trading places at the top of the IPL's leading run-scorers' table. However, he hasn't played first-class cricket and has represnted Mumbai in one List A game.

Jaffer - who played his last international match in April 2008 and has had a good run in the 2010-2011 Ranji Trophy averaging 80.88 - also said he is "hopeful" of breaking into India's Test team, should the seniors choose to take a break during the tour of West Indies this summer.

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  • on May 3, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    Wasim Jaffer is absolutely correct. Valthaty cannot play the same style in Ranji Crickt that is different format. He has some classy strokes which wiil be handy and if his consistency improves he can be a force reckon with in Indian cricket arena.

  • on May 3, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    What Jaffar said is true.Besides playing with red ball is much different than that with white ball.Let him prove that.

  • on May 3, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    Let us not consider Wassim Jaffer's comments. Firstly, he should assess himself how great (or good) has he been, in terms of the "so-called" consistency in perfomance? Had he been a good performer, he would've been the Indian opener for quite sometime. Valthatty is definitely a good batsman who can play for Mumbai, if given a chance. He is a hard-hitter who can assist the other stroke players in the team. I guess, Jaffer was just joking!!!

  • on May 2, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    Sidharth Chitnis was the most dangerous batsman in the past indian domestic season.He also part of Kings XI .But not getting a chance to prove..!

    And what happend to the most consistent Mumbai Ranji batsman-Rahane? He is not getting anu chance to prove his batting skills...!

    Then Dhawal Kulkarni is also warming the MI bench...! Many players are like this just warming bench...!

  • on May 2, 2011, 4:28 GMT

    The current form which mumbai is in they might well need some fresh ideas so it wont be bad thing if someone like Paul Valthaty comes into the mix for the mumbai squad.Their squad seems to be having some amount of passengers and little bit of fresh talent would do no harm

  • timtom on May 2, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Wasim - should have kept quite - makes the same comment abt paul that he was to Indian Team..classy and elegant but very very inconsistent... One of the only 3 indian players not auctioned for IPL2011...His very colossal Ranji credentials could not fetch a place in IPL so why brag abt others ? Also why should Paul opt for Mumbai during Ranji ? he has a plethora of team to chose on..

    And Paul is not a basher - proper criketing strokes and miles ahead of pathans, uthappaas, tiwarys and pandeys --- has a promising future ahead...

  • on May 2, 2011, 2:27 GMT

    Yup agree with Jaffer... Consistency is the key

  • caught_knott_bowled_old on May 2, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    Valthaty need not care about Ranji trophy. He'll make more money just playing IPL T20.

  • rohanblue on May 1, 2011, 23:05 GMT

    wasim jaffer is 500% right, bt india cn try valhaty in t20 format, he looks good....

  • on May 1, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    just play him in 20/20 and 50/50. Test are boring

  • on May 3, 2011, 18:24 GMT

    Wasim Jaffer is absolutely correct. Valthaty cannot play the same style in Ranji Crickt that is different format. He has some classy strokes which wiil be handy and if his consistency improves he can be a force reckon with in Indian cricket arena.

  • on May 3, 2011, 12:03 GMT

    What Jaffar said is true.Besides playing with red ball is much different than that with white ball.Let him prove that.

  • on May 3, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    Let us not consider Wassim Jaffer's comments. Firstly, he should assess himself how great (or good) has he been, in terms of the "so-called" consistency in perfomance? Had he been a good performer, he would've been the Indian opener for quite sometime. Valthatty is definitely a good batsman who can play for Mumbai, if given a chance. He is a hard-hitter who can assist the other stroke players in the team. I guess, Jaffer was just joking!!!

  • on May 2, 2011, 6:00 GMT

    Sidharth Chitnis was the most dangerous batsman in the past indian domestic season.He also part of Kings XI .But not getting a chance to prove..!

    And what happend to the most consistent Mumbai Ranji batsman-Rahane? He is not getting anu chance to prove his batting skills...!

    Then Dhawal Kulkarni is also warming the MI bench...! Many players are like this just warming bench...!

  • on May 2, 2011, 4:28 GMT

    The current form which mumbai is in they might well need some fresh ideas so it wont be bad thing if someone like Paul Valthaty comes into the mix for the mumbai squad.Their squad seems to be having some amount of passengers and little bit of fresh talent would do no harm

  • timtom on May 2, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Wasim - should have kept quite - makes the same comment abt paul that he was to Indian Team..classy and elegant but very very inconsistent... One of the only 3 indian players not auctioned for IPL2011...His very colossal Ranji credentials could not fetch a place in IPL so why brag abt others ? Also why should Paul opt for Mumbai during Ranji ? he has a plethora of team to chose on..

    And Paul is not a basher - proper criketing strokes and miles ahead of pathans, uthappaas, tiwarys and pandeys --- has a promising future ahead...

  • on May 2, 2011, 2:27 GMT

    Yup agree with Jaffer... Consistency is the key

  • caught_knott_bowled_old on May 2, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    Valthaty need not care about Ranji trophy. He'll make more money just playing IPL T20.

  • rohanblue on May 1, 2011, 23:05 GMT

    wasim jaffer is 500% right, bt india cn try valhaty in t20 format, he looks good....

  • on May 1, 2011, 22:08 GMT

    just play him in 20/20 and 50/50. Test are boring

  • kasyapm on May 1, 2011, 18:19 GMT

    Jaffer has got it absolutely right. A few innings in the IPL or T20 shouldn't guarantee a place in the other formats. Jaffer, or any person saying these words (Sachin said the same a few days ago when asked to comment about individuals in his team) don't even hint for a second that these players are lacking potential. Having potential and performing can't be spoken of the same breathe, as the history of Kambli and many others suggest. There are also a number of examples in the current scenario - rohit sharma, r jadeja etc. and do not question the credentials of jaffer - the guy has a decent record in tests (34 is not so bad an average) and is a consistent performer in domestic circuit. I wish Vaulthaty the best and hope he makes it big - atleast to the Indian ODI team

  • Percy_Fender on May 1, 2011, 13:41 GMT

    It is surprising to read some people talk adversely about Wasim Jaffer. He should have played for India much longer than he actually got to. He was from the Bombay school of a tight technique and brought about almost the same calm that Rahul Dravid does when he comes in to bat. Besides, he is not in the habit of making 'over the top' statements like many of his vintage do.He never sledges and is truly an old world cricketer. He has said nothing that should hurt anyone. In fact I agree with him that one should wait to see more of Paul Valthathy in the domestic competitions before labelling him the next big thing in Indian cricket. While it is true that Paul played some blazing innings in the IPL, I am not too sure if that can be reason enough for him to be fast tracked into the team. By the same yardstick, Rayadu,Venugopal Rao and Thiru Suman should have been playing for India too. All of them have done very well in the IPL. The IPL is just a big bash. Let us not equate it to even ODIs

  • CricketChat on May 1, 2011, 13:34 GMT

    Present Mumbai team doesn't have the strong batting lineups of yesteryears because of which, they are no longer a force to reckon with in domestic cricket. Many teams have overtaken them. I don't see any logical reason why Paul shouldn't be given a decent run in the upcoming season. I am sure he will have plenty of offers to choose from, just from Mumbai alone.

  • Gerontius on May 1, 2011, 13:30 GMT

    @MaruthuDelft: Rahul Dravid has been one of our most consistent batsmen overseas and you claim he can't stand up to fast bowling? The Ranji Trophy may not be perfect, but what is the indication that the IPL is better? I repeat that slogging bowlers tired after a long season on dead pitches proves absolutely nothing.

  • JohnnyRook on May 1, 2011, 12:46 GMT

    @ East_west, vatsa13 etc...Its seriously disgusting how you people are talking about Wasim Jaffer. Sure he is no Tendulkar or Dravid, but he still is a great Ranji Trophy stalwart and has achieved loads more than the average fans bashing him. Are you guys IIM, stanford grads or millionaires or something...As far as what Jaffer said, I don't see what was wrong. Ranji Trophy is the premier first class tournament in India and if Valthaty wants to be successful in that also along with being an IPL blaster, he will have to be more consistent. He has just started his career and hope he continues this way

  • on May 1, 2011, 12:26 GMT

    @MaruthuDelft Based on your comments I am soo sure you are not one of those who would wake up at 5 AM in the morning to watch Test Match Cricket from Australia... enjoy your IPL!!

  • banter123 on May 1, 2011, 12:25 GMT

    Guys,give him some respect. You don't only need sheer talent to get IN indian team.

  • ashwin49 on May 1, 2011, 12:00 GMT

    Jaffer WHO?? This person is clearly over the hill and cant clear the boundary even if you held a gun to his head.

  • MaruthuDelft on May 1, 2011, 11:51 GMT

    @Gerontius, all three you mentioned have problems with the rising short balls; Valthaty smacks them for sixers. In recent times except for Tendulkar and Laxman India has not produced batsmen who could really stand up to fierce fast bowling; I am not too sure about Rahul Dravid and Ganguly even though they scord some runs in Australia. Ranji Trophy itself is the problem; India shouldn't base its selection only on Ranji Trophy performances.

  • on May 1, 2011, 11:19 GMT

    iata 123 ur comment abt sachin was unheard for...sachin never played 4 records...i just dont know vat to reply 4 a biased comment...its obvious that u dont know cricket...

  • on May 1, 2011, 11:00 GMT

    Another Sachin basher in Iata.I wonder these fellows just bash him just for getting a bit of publicity.I mean for god sakes he has scored more than 20,000 runs in both forms of cricket.and speaking of jaffer he had his moments he never cashed them on like the tour of australia where he was the first choice opener ahead of sehwag in 2007 but he never cashed in and lost his place

  • MohitSriv on May 1, 2011, 10:59 GMT

    @ Jaffer-bashers and those asking who is Jaffer: He is a batsman with nearly 15000 first class runs, 5 test centuries including a double ton, and captain of the Mumbai Ranji team till last season. Those are enough credentials for him to qualify to make statements on potential of players, especially those eyeing Mumbai Ranji cap. Valthaty sure has grabbed the attention with his performance in IPL, which will help his chances with the Ranji selectors, but surely he needs to do more to prove himself in the longer version of the game.

  • Gerontius on May 1, 2011, 10:32 GMT

    @MaruthuDelft: Rohit Sharma, Jadeja, Yusuf Pathan are all IPL stars, but look at their records for India. Slogging bowlers on dead pitches is in no way an indication of International potential.

    @Pandeyjii: I know of Wasim Jaffer, as would any Indian cricket fan who has watched Test cricket for 4-5 years or followed Domestic cricket at all. If you are a 'fan' who only watches IPL and the World Cup then yes, you will not have heard of Jaffer.

  • SagirParkar on May 1, 2011, 10:19 GMT

    @Sidharth, i dont know how knowledgeable (or ignorant) you are but Jaffer has churned out stellar performances year after year in the domestic circuit.. and as captain of the Mumbai team, he can justify his comments.. however what he shouldnt be doing is assume that Valthaty would want to play for Mumbai only.. there are other Ranji teams that do not have the same level of quality pool that Mumbai can boast of to pick players from..

    as for Valthaty scoring runs, i think a quick look at the stats will prove the point.. one blistering innings in T20 does not a first class player make.. two different formats and one has to be consistent too...

    @East_West... Jaffer wasnt talking about him wanting to be in the indian team permanent.. many players work on their game and do make comebacks.. and if Jaffer can, then so be it.. VVS got plenty of opportunities, Dravid got a more than decent run in the ODIs before he started making useful contributions..

  • Desijatt4u on May 1, 2011, 10:06 GMT

    Who is jaffer,he doent deserve to comment on anybdys performance,coz he himself is a average player.he must think abt his own place first.luks funny to hear his coment

  • iata123 on May 1, 2011, 9:27 GMT

    People criticizing Jaffer shuld know he has a better domestic record than Sachin selfish cricketer jaffer did not had any godfather like sachin to get into the indian cricket team he came to the team very late had got the oppertunity like sachin got at the age 0f 16 he wuld have been as succesful as sachin who only plays for his records i always rate Dravis sehwag and ganguly higher than sachin he only plays for records not for india

  • Pandeyjii on May 1, 2011, 9:16 GMT

    My simple question is - WHO THE HELL IS WASIM JAFFER? Do anybody know him?

    . . . and ask any cricket fan in India (and also abroad) who don't know Paul Valthaty?

    One from SIDDHUISM . . . "This is a case of Crow telling that Peacock can't dance".

  • on May 1, 2011, 9:11 GMT

    Dear Jaffer,You are not a selector to comment on the ability of Paul Valthaty.Would be nice if you can concentrate on your game.If you cannot perform in the next Ranji Season then he is going to take your spot in the Mumbai Ranji Team.More over he has a place in the IPL and already shown the world about his ability.He has a century in IPL too.How many runs did you score in the IPL Mr.Jaffer????

  • Vijay_P_S on May 1, 2011, 9:09 GMT

    @ Jaffer bashers, Indian test team is packed with some of the great batsmen in the world. Jaffer is good but not great. So stop using the "place in the Indian national team" as an yard stick. He is talking about first class cricket and he is a giant in it.

  • on May 1, 2011, 9:01 GMT

    Well rather than being cynical on what jaffer said he had a point that even first class caps cant be given off simply on basis of potential.Though Paul Valthaty has been pretty good so far in IPL he needs to work harder on his game.I do aggree that he can try out some other ranji sides like saurashtra or maharashtra ones.But yeah guys stop being cynical about jaffer he just said that a mumbai cap has to be earned

  • MaruthuDelft on May 1, 2011, 8:42 GMT

    Valthaty wouldn't have a problem with rising balls. If ever India is to beat SA or Aussies in their own backyard India must have players like Valthaty and Ishant. If India demands too much from them in the Ranji Trophy it is self defeating because ordinary run accumulators would beat them and when they go down under would hang their bats to deliver catching practise. Valthaty has done enough; 3 match winning knocks on the trot in the keenly competed IPL. The ones who can blast fast bowlers will certainly have the time to defend; and Valthaty has a good temperament. In the first test against Windies he must be opening the innings for India.

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:29 GMT

    Good call Jaffer, can't jude any one Fist Class credentials based on smashing few kids around the park in the IPL circus

  • krazzyking on May 1, 2011, 8:25 GMT

    Valthaty sure proved himself having potential. but jaffer is right in the sense, Ranji cricket is different. T20 is less of skill as when compared to a Ranji

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    mr jaffer is alrady 33 yrs old . all now he can do is sit and speak..nothing else. talented players like rohit ,valthaty and badirnath speak with their bats only...people like jaffer who cant play can only speak./

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:15 GMT

    People should realise that Wasim Jaffer is not criticisizing Valthaty but rather speaking realistically ... and JAffer was a class player .. i always felt he underperformed for his talent .. he is definitely more talented than Vijay .... and no im not from mumbai .. im from hyderabad so i have no allegiance towards anyone.. but i think i have a good eye for talent .. i just think he needs to work on his weaknesses which i think is he fiddles a bit outside off stump .. on subcontinent he can thrill you but in swinging conditions he needs to improve because he can get caught behind and he is a lbw candidate because he tries to play more towards ON side... Even VVS laxman had a poor average in the beginning .. so sometimes it takes time for a player to mature .. All the Best JAffer .. i always thought you are a player from Laxman mould .. classy elegant and exquisite timing ...

  • abhi_cricinfo on May 1, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    ""Valthaty must do more for Ranji call-up"" * Really * What* Has Wasim Jaffer ever played a run-a-ball innings in any form of cricket against quality bowlers. This guy Valthaty is on the verge of breaking into Indian team and he have to do more for Ranji Call-up . What else he have to do. Dancing or Singing or something like juggling . Fool Wasim "The Ranji Bully" Jaffer .

  • vatsa13 on May 1, 2011, 8:01 GMT

    who is Jaffer ??? ...............:)

  • on May 1, 2011, 7:51 GMT

    Look at the pot calling the kettle black..... Who is Jaffer himself? Hardly established himself in IPL or Indian team n talks about Vathathy's inconsistency as if he was the selector. Better work on yur game than point fingers out. Atleast Paul can score some runs

  • on May 1, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    I think valthaty has proved he should play for his state in t20 and also be trialled in 50 over games, i think he has a bit of quality about him and he looks a good player , and jaffer, good luck with the test recall u blew all ur other chances 34 avg after 31 tests doesnt really make the selectors confident tho u did make a couple of double hundreds, shows u have qaulity there but need be more consistent. There is badrinath, makund, rahane, sharma, kohli, pujara, tiwary, Vijay and a few others, That are all lilkely to be selected be4 u are.

  • SamRoy on May 1, 2011, 7:45 GMT

    Why does Jaffer presume that Valthaty will want a place only in the Mumbai Ranji team? Even from Maharasthra there are Saurashtra and Maharashtra teams where he probably will make it to first eleven. Otherwise there are twenty other Ranji teams he can be available for. May be it is difficult to get into Ranji teams like Mumbai, Delhi,Karnataka,Tamil Nadu, U.P., Punjab and Baroda. But there are many other Ranji teams in which it should be a cakewalk for Valthaty to get into. And it is not always bad. Remember Rohan Gavaskar? Couldn't find a place in Mumbai XI, came to Bengal and then represented India. And when Mumbai wanted him back he said "Thanks but no thanks".

  • East_West on May 1, 2011, 7:38 GMT

    "He has always played the odd remarkable innings in the Times Shield, but then would have a lean run. He was very inconsistent. However, with age people do mature and he has become better....." , Well, Wasim - Are you speaking about yourself when you were on Team INDIA! you got so many chances to play for India - never consistent, played odd century or double century in a Series and expects to be in INDian team for ever:)...Jaffer, you sure are TALENTED but you are DONE! Keep playing for Mumbai AND not INDIA! Please!!

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  • East_West on May 1, 2011, 7:38 GMT

    "He has always played the odd remarkable innings in the Times Shield, but then would have a lean run. He was very inconsistent. However, with age people do mature and he has become better....." , Well, Wasim - Are you speaking about yourself when you were on Team INDIA! you got so many chances to play for India - never consistent, played odd century or double century in a Series and expects to be in INDian team for ever:)...Jaffer, you sure are TALENTED but you are DONE! Keep playing for Mumbai AND not INDIA! Please!!

  • SamRoy on May 1, 2011, 7:45 GMT

    Why does Jaffer presume that Valthaty will want a place only in the Mumbai Ranji team? Even from Maharasthra there are Saurashtra and Maharashtra teams where he probably will make it to first eleven. Otherwise there are twenty other Ranji teams he can be available for. May be it is difficult to get into Ranji teams like Mumbai, Delhi,Karnataka,Tamil Nadu, U.P., Punjab and Baroda. But there are many other Ranji teams in which it should be a cakewalk for Valthaty to get into. And it is not always bad. Remember Rohan Gavaskar? Couldn't find a place in Mumbai XI, came to Bengal and then represented India. And when Mumbai wanted him back he said "Thanks but no thanks".

  • on May 1, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    I think valthaty has proved he should play for his state in t20 and also be trialled in 50 over games, i think he has a bit of quality about him and he looks a good player , and jaffer, good luck with the test recall u blew all ur other chances 34 avg after 31 tests doesnt really make the selectors confident tho u did make a couple of double hundreds, shows u have qaulity there but need be more consistent. There is badrinath, makund, rahane, sharma, kohli, pujara, tiwary, Vijay and a few others, That are all lilkely to be selected be4 u are.

  • on May 1, 2011, 7:51 GMT

    Look at the pot calling the kettle black..... Who is Jaffer himself? Hardly established himself in IPL or Indian team n talks about Vathathy's inconsistency as if he was the selector. Better work on yur game than point fingers out. Atleast Paul can score some runs

  • vatsa13 on May 1, 2011, 8:01 GMT

    who is Jaffer ??? ...............:)

  • abhi_cricinfo on May 1, 2011, 8:12 GMT

    ""Valthaty must do more for Ranji call-up"" * Really * What* Has Wasim Jaffer ever played a run-a-ball innings in any form of cricket against quality bowlers. This guy Valthaty is on the verge of breaking into Indian team and he have to do more for Ranji Call-up . What else he have to do. Dancing or Singing or something like juggling . Fool Wasim "The Ranji Bully" Jaffer .

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:15 GMT

    People should realise that Wasim Jaffer is not criticisizing Valthaty but rather speaking realistically ... and JAffer was a class player .. i always felt he underperformed for his talent .. he is definitely more talented than Vijay .... and no im not from mumbai .. im from hyderabad so i have no allegiance towards anyone.. but i think i have a good eye for talent .. i just think he needs to work on his weaknesses which i think is he fiddles a bit outside off stump .. on subcontinent he can thrill you but in swinging conditions he needs to improve because he can get caught behind and he is a lbw candidate because he tries to play more towards ON side... Even VVS laxman had a poor average in the beginning .. so sometimes it takes time for a player to mature .. All the Best JAffer .. i always thought you are a player from Laxman mould .. classy elegant and exquisite timing ...

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    mr jaffer is alrady 33 yrs old . all now he can do is sit and speak..nothing else. talented players like rohit ,valthaty and badirnath speak with their bats only...people like jaffer who cant play can only speak./

  • krazzyking on May 1, 2011, 8:25 GMT

    Valthaty sure proved himself having potential. but jaffer is right in the sense, Ranji cricket is different. T20 is less of skill as when compared to a Ranji

  • on May 1, 2011, 8:29 GMT

    Good call Jaffer, can't jude any one Fist Class credentials based on smashing few kids around the park in the IPL circus