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Keeping Test specialists out of IPL a good idea - Fleming

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August 22, 2014

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Stephen Fleming, the former New Zealand captain, has said that keeping specialist Test players away from the IPL might help India's long-format prospects.

"The IPL is two months of the year and the only challenge is that it is probably eating into the spare time of the players around the world, especially Indian players," Fleming said, during a promotional event in Mumbai. "The thought about creating specialist Test players is an excellent one. A lot of countries are doing it, earmarking some players for one form, and that is something India might need to consider."

To do this, however, Fleming said the players would need to be compensated for the monetary losses they could incur by not taking part in the IPL.

"And keeping in mind though that the IPL is such a good competition to play, and to keep a player out of it there might have to be remuneration of another form because all players want to gravitate towards it and play it so there will have to be a pretty strong directive to keep them away," Fleming said. "Then again becoming the Test player could be enough but it is something they need to consider. [Cheteshwar] Pujara is that type of player, even [Murali] Vijay, they are very talented players in the short form but keeping them out of it would enhance their Test game probably."

Fleming, who is head coach of Chennai Super Kings, has worked closely with MS Dhoni, but said it was hard for him to judge Dhoni as a Test captain, particularly since he didn't watch the Test series ball-by-ball. But considering India's results in the series, he felt the questions being asked of Dhoni's future as captain were warranted.

"It is hard because I only deal with him in T20 matches and you don't have any time to drift there," Fleming said. "It is very hard for me to comment before the series falls for us in the middle of the night so you don't get to see the ball by ball for the series and without doing that I find it hard to comment on his captaincy.

"He was very good at Lord's especially with the short ball but after that they didn't get enough runs so there was run pressure. As far as his captaincy goes, I didn't see enough to give you a comment. What I will say again is within the results he has got to be under pressure naturally as the leader of side. The dramatic turn of form, speaking from advice, does warrant those questions. His form with the bat was good I understand but certainly the captain always gets looked at when the series goes wrong."

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Posted by sridoosra on (August 25, 2014, 3:56 GMT)

Mr. Fleming. I definitely agree with you.it's correct.but i think this is not only India.all Country's need to do like that.because of future Test cricket.

Posted by crindex on (August 24, 2014, 17:51 GMT)

Ashwin is also a test material and in fact he is a captain material too. Ashwin should stay out of IPL and put India in frint of his club - CSK. Other potential test players are Mohammed Sami, Ishant, Bhuvi and Badrinath (though his is not playing IPL this season). This in addition to Vijay and Pujara.

Posted by crindex on (August 24, 2014, 17:33 GMT)

Well said . IPL money , its glitter and its glamour is all too powerful for young Indians who are yet to reach their prime. Club cricket can wait for these batsmen when they retire from Test cricket at a later time just like Dravid, Ganguly and Sachin did. However I very much doubt BCCI would compensate these Test quality players - although its a very noble and wishful thinking.

Posted by B.Moizuddin.Gouhar on (August 23, 2014, 17:29 GMT)

Dear Mr. Fleming... are u joking or u serious... i bet 10 times that almost all of Indian Team will give up playing tests for playing IPL... anyways one can understand since u are in India and u being a one of the greats u got to say something so u did... if you urself dig deep into ur heart u know Indian metality as much as any one does... tell me will dhoni, aswin jadeja will give up IPL and will u accept that.. ? its just a good idea but will not be applied here in India.

Posted by singhanubhav on (August 23, 2014, 17:00 GMT)

@itsJustaSport : Are you serious that Sachin ,Dravid didn't win much??? And further loosing with fight is one thing and getting out in 100runs for 4 consecutive innings is capitulation. To me there is no doubt current batsman have lost all art of staying at crease & have no temperament. Surely IPL is one great factor in it. Come IPL same players will fire in all cylinders and we will start eulogizing. Till next overseas test tour.

Posted by Karnayak1 on (August 23, 2014, 15:31 GMT)

I definitely agree with FOR and AGAINST views published in this Platform.

Does anyone remember the Stars who made our Country Proud my winning Medals in Olympics, Asian Games, Common Wealth Games?

Few Suggestions:- 1. Separate Teams for Test, ODI and T20's. This will give opportunity for more younger Players to represent their Country. 2. Package Structure like IT Companies annually. This means no endorsements and modelling as a Cricket Player. No other source of revenue. 3. Compulsory rest for 3 months in a year to relax with their families (Once in 4 Months). 4. IPL and Champions League restricted to 5 games and no additional income through these games.

Only consistent players who perform to be retained in the team irrespective of their experience. Only Players who have represented the Country to be in the Sports Bodies and not Politicians.

Then lets see why our Players won't perform and make this Country Proud.

Posted by anshu.s on (August 23, 2014, 14:51 GMT)

Some of these fans scapegoating the IPL are too elitist in there outlook, for them Indian victories in ODI's and T-20's don't count because they are convinced in there minds shorter formats are inferior and poor country cousins to test cricket, i would like say all three formats of the game have different requirements,demands and skillsets.These people only highlight the negative aspects of IPL but forget that for domestic Indian players like Rajat Bhatia,Pravin Tambe and others who toil hard for years in domestic cricket and can't get into Indian team IPL provides them with a great platform to showcase there wares and garner spotlight.Indian cricket is not only about Indian national team but also about domestic ,local leagues,u-19,University,schools.

@Devsonu, India have always done poorly outside the subcontinent long before the IPL came in ,on the contrary India did well in SA(2010-11) and won a series in NZ in 2009 and what about all victories in home after 2008 ??

Posted by whirlaway on (August 23, 2014, 14:43 GMT)

(contd.)

Bowling -

1. Can no longer bowl to take wickets. Instead they bowl to restrict the number of runs scored. It is not possible to win Test matches unless bowlers take wickets. As simple as that!

2. Get tired as a Test progresses when they are asked to bowl 3rd, 4th, 5th spells because in T20s, they bowl a max of 4 overs a day.

Fielding -

1. Can't take any catches in close-in positions because there are hardly any slips, short-legs etc., in the IPL games and so they have little or no practice taking such catches in actual match situations.

So, the natural consequence of the IPL craze is that India now has a "complete" Test team - they can't bat, bowl, catch, field or even run!

Posted by whirlaway on (August 23, 2014, 14:41 GMT)

Here's how the IPL has negatively affected the various aspect of Test performance for India:

Batting -

1. Can't occupy the crease for long. They adopt a "hit out or get out" policy because that is what works in IPL.

2. Can't even play spinners properly any more because the IPL formula is to deal with the spin bowlers by hitting them out of the ground. That doesn't work in a Test scenario with close-in fielders and long boundaries.

3. Edging way too many shots because there would be nobody to catch them in IPL games, so why bother to middle the shots?! But what gets them runs in IPL/T20 will get them out in a Test match!

4. Can't even run between the wickets because the IPL format with its small boundaries and fielding restrictions, emphasizes 4s and 6s - which need no running.

(contd.)

Posted by   on (August 23, 2014, 14:25 GMT)

@ItsJustaSport: Yes, India did not have a great overseas record in Tests even before the IPL. But the point is not about that - it is about how they have started surrendering in the Tests. That has not happened in the last 40 years or so.

If the series score was 1-3, but India had fought every step of the way, I am sure its fans would not be so upset. It's not just the defeat in the series, but the *manner* in which the team lost.

And yes, IPL must have a role in the way the team is losing. 178 all out, 152 all out, 161 all out, 148 all out and 94 all out - they do look like IPL scores, don't they?!

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