West Indies in New Zealand 2013-14 December 23, 2013

Too many passengers for West Indies

ESPNcricinfo looks back at which West Indies players emerged with any credit from the 2-0 drubbing by New Zealand and who are facing an uncertain future
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Darren Bravo

His nine-hour double hundred was the high point of the series for West Indies and should provide a model for all young West Indies batsmen. He does not appear overly burdened by the Lara comparisons, if anything he embraces them. Although he failed twice in the second Test, the future of the team's batting should be built around him.

Sunil Narine

West Indies wanted to play him from the start but were persuaded against it by green pitches. They'd have been better off ignoring the colour. He continued to have a hold over the New Zealand batsmen but could not find enough support to make it count. Can expect a run in the side now after Shane Shillingford's suspension.

Shivnarine Chanderpaul

He keeps on churning out the runs and his appetite is incredible given the collapses he often has to watch unfold. Now up to No. 6 in the all-time run-scoring list Chanderpaul rarely gets the acknowledgment of those around him. A valid debate to have about how he bats with the tail, but West Indies need him to hang around a while longer.

6

Denesh Ramdin

Is one of the senior figures in this side and played like it during his Hamilton hundred which improved further on an impressive 18 months with the bat. His other innings were less convincing, although he was the victim of a stunning catch by Trent Boult in Wellington. His keeping was safe, but some of the other glovework untidy, although that was lower down West Indies' list of problems.

5

Kirk Edwards

Asked to open after Kraigg Brathwaite's delayed arrival he adapted determinedly with battling fifties in the first two Tests following an absence of 18 months from the Test team. Dropped a vital catch offered by Ross Taylor on nought in Wellington but emerged from the drubbing better placed than some.

Darren Sammy

Looked a broken man at the end of the series. His future in Test cricket must be in doubt, although other candidates for the captaincy do not jump out. Batted well in Dunedin, then bagged a pair in Wellington. His seam bowling was consistent but not a huge threat. Outstanding catcher.

Veerasammy Permaul

A steady performance and provided more control than the pace bowlers, barring Sammy, had managed. Deserved more than his one wicket in the first innings. Could be a useful lower-order batsmen.

4

Kraigg Brathwaite

The signs were good in the first innings at Seddon Park, especially considering his lack of recent cricket. Showed sound judgement and a solid defence before fending to gully. The second innings was ugly with a hack across the line of a Boult inswinger.

Narsingh Deonarine

Does not convince as a Test batsman despite a gusty fifty in Dunedin. Too vulnerable outside off stump. His offspin is handy, but shouldn't keep him in the team. Held a couple of impressive out-field catches.

Shane Shillingford

Considering the cloud hanging over his action - which ultimately became a suspension - he performed commendably and gave New Zealand a scare in Dunedin. However, after being banned from bowling for a second time his career must now be in doubt.

3

Kieran Powell

Having been reasonably established at the start of the series, he ended as one of those whose place will be under threat. Often appeared settled at the crease but could not kick on. Had a tendency to play around full deliveries and also kept the slips interested.

Marlon Samuels

The major disappointment of the series. Often appeared distracted at the crease and his footwork became non-existent as he was terrorised by the swinging ball. A world away from the player of 2012 when he averaged 65. West Indies can't afford to lose his talent. He should probably forget about the bowling.

Tino Best

He huffed and puffed. He screamed and shouted. But he did not provide Sammy with the consistency he needed from an experienced bowler. When he did find a full length, he caused problems but that was too rare an occurrence.

2

Shannon Gabriel

Awful in Dunedin, better in Wellington, dropped for Hamilton. There is raw material to work with - height and a decent action - but he needs a better leader than Best to set an example.

Andrew McGlashan is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo

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  • on December 26, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    @Mekkayel, I will try answer your points. Although Barath might have lost his form, he deserves a chance to prove himself, due to the dreadful treatment he suffered from WICB. Here you might be right, and in that case I rest my case. However, judging on what I heard about Walton, he is a much better wk than Ramdin. Holder might be too slow right now, but he is getting faster all the time, and his height is a key factor. I want to save Narine for one-day and T20, I don't want him to suffer Mendis's fate. Permaul has never got a chance as the lead spinner yet, and I believe he will do extremely well. Same reasoning with Rampaul, saving him for ODI. Also, Miguel and Ronsford are much quicker than him. Kieran Powell needs a few matches out of the XI, to wake him up. When he drops his habit of getting out after a start, he can challenge Barath and Braithwaite.Tagenarine Chanderpaul is the most talented batsman in the country, and so he should at least be in the squad. Remember Tendulkar?

  • Mekkayel on December 25, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    For Tests: 1. K.Brathwaite 2. Gayle (WI need him reguardless of form, when he fires he scores BIG, see 333 against South Africa & 317 against NZ) or Kieran Powell as permanent replacement. 3. Chanderpaul ( the no.3 batsmen has to be the most consistant player in the team, see his batting records. also it wouldn't hurt to see him scoring more runs & WI having a sturdier top order). 4. Bravo, great foil to Chanders, Bravo is more aggressive than the defensive veteran. 5. Sarwan- another vet, best finisher WI currently has. 6.Edwards/Samuels, really either would do, i vote Edwards as he is in form and has a lot of years ahead of him, 7. Ramdin -capt,he's in form, averaging 40's since his return,8. Narine,can bat, best spinner in the world.9. Roach upon recovery,10. Rampaul once fit, 11. Cottrel deserves another chance & 3rd seamer, Reserves would be L.Simmons, Bishoo,N.Miller,J.Taylor once he has played enough 1st class games after his hiatus & is fit again. much better team on paper

  • Mekkayel on December 25, 2013, 19:12 GMT

    After being a Ramdin hater for a while, i now take back what i said about him. Since his return he has been more consistent than most of the playing 11. @Eitan Shai Adrian Barath has lost his form and is miles away from what you saw years ago. Walton is a terrible batsman and inferior gloveman to Ramdin. Jason Holder is too inexperienced and slow for a test/first class team. Why would you drop the Best spinner in the world (Narine) who just took 6-91 for Permaul who only has 1 wicket and has been ordinary since returning to test cricket. Ravi Rampaul is more experienced than Cummings and Beaton. Kieran Powell has better statistics than Brathwaite to be only a reserve. Chanderpaul's son has only a handful of 1st class matches, he should never even be mentioned (yet) and the other bowlers you mentioned aren't special.

  • on December 25, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    I would totally revamp the WI squad, here is my ideal WI XI: 1. Kraigg Braithwaite 2. Adrian Barath 3. Darren Bravo 4. Marlon Samuels (sooner or later he will find his form) 5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 6. Chadwick Walton 7. Jason Holder 8. Veerasammy Permaul 9. Kemar Roach 10. Miguel Cummins 11. Ronsford Beaton Reserves: Kieran Powell, Sheldon Cotterell, DeLorn Johnson, Tagenarine Chanderpaul

  • PaddyRasta2 on December 24, 2013, 23:54 GMT

    It really needs to be back to basics. There's far too little first class four day games in WI with only six per season to enable a good chance of finding the best players. Then there should be two automatic picks from the first class comp. Established players eg like Samuels are taking their position for granted. Also Sammy has to go because he is a bowler that lacks real teeth. One can try to defend him for contributions with bat but his role at number eight is a bowler and he is not Test level. The expectation that Ramdin produces with the bat is fine but is there an alternative that even produces runs at first class level? No, not Chadwick Walton and The Devon Thomas experiment did not work either.

  • on December 24, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    @inot- I agree with most of your assessment, however I cannot argue for implementing "performance criteria" for the players and not the management staff. Further, a PI system for this WI team will force the system to shut down completely, if you hold their feet to the fire.

    A PI system is good, but it has to be introduced at the lower levels and local teams must learn to measure against benchmarks before coming to the test arena. Lastly, do the players know what are the benchmarks they are measuring against ?

    The selection of coaching staff needs to follow established criteria with education and successful experience as

  • Wetzouwo on December 24, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    With all due respect to Sammy although he's good guy thats no reason why he should be in test side. Rampaul has to get in squad. Best and Sammy have to be discarded in Tests.Brathwaite needs some time, the 1st innings wasn't preety but he still managed to grind out a score in tough conditions, a skill most of the WI batsman need to learn.

    Brathwaite, Simmons/Powell, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Fudadin, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Ramdin (wk), Rampaul, Narine, Roach for Test.

    Gayle, Powell/Barath, Charles (wk), Samuels, Simmons, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Sammy, Rampaul/Roach, Narine, Holder for ODI

    Gayle, Charles (wk), Simmons, DM Bravo, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Bonner, Sammy, Narine, Holder, Santokie/ Rampaul for T20.

    I think by having Simmons in and around the Test squad it puts pressure on Ramdin as Simmon's batting is superior.Youngsters need to be bred into the T20/ODI squad so selectors can see how they can adapt to conditions and situations and see if there is potential for them to become test players

  • on December 24, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    Andrew you are way too kind with yoiur grades for some of these players except for Bravo, Narine. Even shiv disappointed me and I am his country man and a huge fan. I am finally convinced he plays for his stats by coming in too low in the order and exposing the tail to remain not out and not help the team win games. Samuels, Deonarine, Powell, Best, Gabriel should be dropped imediately. Sammy and Ramdin should be given one more series to prove themselves and if they are not consistant with bat should be dropped. Ramdin give us one good innings every 10 test when his place is on the line.

  • on December 24, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    The selectors should stop playing politics with selecting players ,we have a world class bowler in Narine which everyone recognizes except the selectors ,who make a lot of poor excuses why they not playing him in test matches and its only just because he actually played . I can think about a lot of other players who are labeled by the selectors,who should be given the opportunity to play

  • Orangetable on December 24, 2013, 11:52 GMT

    The real problem is that this is 2nd generation of WI players that couldn`t careless about the Windies cricket. It started with Lara and carried on with Gayle, Sarwan etc. Personally I think its time to disband the WI team and let them play for their individual countries: but knowing the poor attitude of these players, that wont make much of a difference either.

  • on December 26, 2013, 8:11 GMT

    @Mekkayel, I will try answer your points. Although Barath might have lost his form, he deserves a chance to prove himself, due to the dreadful treatment he suffered from WICB. Here you might be right, and in that case I rest my case. However, judging on what I heard about Walton, he is a much better wk than Ramdin. Holder might be too slow right now, but he is getting faster all the time, and his height is a key factor. I want to save Narine for one-day and T20, I don't want him to suffer Mendis's fate. Permaul has never got a chance as the lead spinner yet, and I believe he will do extremely well. Same reasoning with Rampaul, saving him for ODI. Also, Miguel and Ronsford are much quicker than him. Kieran Powell needs a few matches out of the XI, to wake him up. When he drops his habit of getting out after a start, he can challenge Barath and Braithwaite.Tagenarine Chanderpaul is the most talented batsman in the country, and so he should at least be in the squad. Remember Tendulkar?

  • Mekkayel on December 25, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    For Tests: 1. K.Brathwaite 2. Gayle (WI need him reguardless of form, when he fires he scores BIG, see 333 against South Africa & 317 against NZ) or Kieran Powell as permanent replacement. 3. Chanderpaul ( the no.3 batsmen has to be the most consistant player in the team, see his batting records. also it wouldn't hurt to see him scoring more runs & WI having a sturdier top order). 4. Bravo, great foil to Chanders, Bravo is more aggressive than the defensive veteran. 5. Sarwan- another vet, best finisher WI currently has. 6.Edwards/Samuels, really either would do, i vote Edwards as he is in form and has a lot of years ahead of him, 7. Ramdin -capt,he's in form, averaging 40's since his return,8. Narine,can bat, best spinner in the world.9. Roach upon recovery,10. Rampaul once fit, 11. Cottrel deserves another chance & 3rd seamer, Reserves would be L.Simmons, Bishoo,N.Miller,J.Taylor once he has played enough 1st class games after his hiatus & is fit again. much better team on paper

  • Mekkayel on December 25, 2013, 19:12 GMT

    After being a Ramdin hater for a while, i now take back what i said about him. Since his return he has been more consistent than most of the playing 11. @Eitan Shai Adrian Barath has lost his form and is miles away from what you saw years ago. Walton is a terrible batsman and inferior gloveman to Ramdin. Jason Holder is too inexperienced and slow for a test/first class team. Why would you drop the Best spinner in the world (Narine) who just took 6-91 for Permaul who only has 1 wicket and has been ordinary since returning to test cricket. Ravi Rampaul is more experienced than Cummings and Beaton. Kieran Powell has better statistics than Brathwaite to be only a reserve. Chanderpaul's son has only a handful of 1st class matches, he should never even be mentioned (yet) and the other bowlers you mentioned aren't special.

  • on December 25, 2013, 7:52 GMT

    I would totally revamp the WI squad, here is my ideal WI XI: 1. Kraigg Braithwaite 2. Adrian Barath 3. Darren Bravo 4. Marlon Samuels (sooner or later he will find his form) 5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 6. Chadwick Walton 7. Jason Holder 8. Veerasammy Permaul 9. Kemar Roach 10. Miguel Cummins 11. Ronsford Beaton Reserves: Kieran Powell, Sheldon Cotterell, DeLorn Johnson, Tagenarine Chanderpaul

  • PaddyRasta2 on December 24, 2013, 23:54 GMT

    It really needs to be back to basics. There's far too little first class four day games in WI with only six per season to enable a good chance of finding the best players. Then there should be two automatic picks from the first class comp. Established players eg like Samuels are taking their position for granted. Also Sammy has to go because he is a bowler that lacks real teeth. One can try to defend him for contributions with bat but his role at number eight is a bowler and he is not Test level. The expectation that Ramdin produces with the bat is fine but is there an alternative that even produces runs at first class level? No, not Chadwick Walton and The Devon Thomas experiment did not work either.

  • on December 24, 2013, 19:30 GMT

    @inot- I agree with most of your assessment, however I cannot argue for implementing "performance criteria" for the players and not the management staff. Further, a PI system for this WI team will force the system to shut down completely, if you hold their feet to the fire.

    A PI system is good, but it has to be introduced at the lower levels and local teams must learn to measure against benchmarks before coming to the test arena. Lastly, do the players know what are the benchmarks they are measuring against ?

    The selection of coaching staff needs to follow established criteria with education and successful experience as

  • Wetzouwo on December 24, 2013, 17:31 GMT

    With all due respect to Sammy although he's good guy thats no reason why he should be in test side. Rampaul has to get in squad. Best and Sammy have to be discarded in Tests.Brathwaite needs some time, the 1st innings wasn't preety but he still managed to grind out a score in tough conditions, a skill most of the WI batsman need to learn.

    Brathwaite, Simmons/Powell, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Fudadin, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Ramdin (wk), Rampaul, Narine, Roach for Test.

    Gayle, Powell/Barath, Charles (wk), Samuels, Simmons, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Sammy, Rampaul/Roach, Narine, Holder for ODI

    Gayle, Charles (wk), Simmons, DM Bravo, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Bonner, Sammy, Narine, Holder, Santokie/ Rampaul for T20.

    I think by having Simmons in and around the Test squad it puts pressure on Ramdin as Simmon's batting is superior.Youngsters need to be bred into the T20/ODI squad so selectors can see how they can adapt to conditions and situations and see if there is potential for them to become test players

  • on December 24, 2013, 14:39 GMT

    Andrew you are way too kind with yoiur grades for some of these players except for Bravo, Narine. Even shiv disappointed me and I am his country man and a huge fan. I am finally convinced he plays for his stats by coming in too low in the order and exposing the tail to remain not out and not help the team win games. Samuels, Deonarine, Powell, Best, Gabriel should be dropped imediately. Sammy and Ramdin should be given one more series to prove themselves and if they are not consistant with bat should be dropped. Ramdin give us one good innings every 10 test when his place is on the line.

  • on December 24, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    The selectors should stop playing politics with selecting players ,we have a world class bowler in Narine which everyone recognizes except the selectors ,who make a lot of poor excuses why they not playing him in test matches and its only just because he actually played . I can think about a lot of other players who are labeled by the selectors,who should be given the opportunity to play

  • Orangetable on December 24, 2013, 11:52 GMT

    The real problem is that this is 2nd generation of WI players that couldn`t careless about the Windies cricket. It started with Lara and carried on with Gayle, Sarwan etc. Personally I think its time to disband the WI team and let them play for their individual countries: but knowing the poor attitude of these players, that wont make much of a difference either.

  • MOJITH-11 on December 24, 2013, 8:01 GMT

    I don't think west indies are a bad team. they must bring in Ramnaresh Sarwan who is the most experienced player after chanderpaul so that they can strengthen their middle order after Darren bravo coming at no.3. Bring in Dwayne bravo who is a genuine allrounder who can bat at no.6 and an important bowler who is a major partnership breaker. Tino best,ravi rampaul &Sammey will handle the ball & sunil narine will be very handy.Narsingh deonarine is an utter failure. Once samuels comes in it would be a great test batting order. Gibson should go on for experience other than trying these foolish things with Edwards & deonarine. Bring in Sarwan at no.4 that will change their course of concern.

  • on December 24, 2013, 5:06 GMT

    Gibson needs to go he is the biggest problem in WI cricket. If you were never good in your time who will respect you as a coach?

  • on December 24, 2013, 1:40 GMT

    Two silly things that seriously undermine otherwise intelligent comments:

    1) Suggesting that Sarwan be recalled. Do I really have to mention Australia?

    2) Suggesting that Bravo is a better Test allrounder than Sammy when empirical evidence says otherwise.

  • ranpath on December 23, 2013, 18:54 GMT

    I see that people keep calling for the return of Sarwan etc. One blogger elsewhere even offered the name Nash (Dion?). Let us be clear that in moving FORWARD it would be a backward step to recall those players who have had their day. First of all Sammy should be IMMEDIATELY REMOVED from the Test side as his batting approach is clearly more suitable for the shorter formats. Secondly at age 30 and lets say it takes a few years to adjust to a suitable style the push for Shillingford to return seems a little foolish. Thirdly we need to finally put this Tino Best mania to rest and remove him from playing Test cricket. Finally with respect to a captain I humbly suggest we look among the young players we presently have. The young man will need guidance, leadership training, and other management strategies to mould him as a test skipper. The Board will need to provide that. (If SA can pick a captain at age 23 why can't we try the same thing ? )

  • on December 23, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    W I have been losing test matches to the top 5 countries since 1995. Thats over 18 years now. How much more patience are we fans supposed to have? Instead of turning the proverbial corner, all we see is the perpetual roundabout of defeat. I, for one, have given up my membership at QPCC because I was brought up in another era. Go back to 1984 and look at the following team take the field to represent our region: Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Richards, Gomes, Lloyd-capt., Dujon-wkt., Marshall, Holding, Garner and Sylvester Clarke with Gus Logie-12 th man. Today`s team is not even a shadow ot The Greatest Test Cricket Team of All Time!

  • inot on December 23, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    Generous scores all the way through. Apart from Narine every other player should be a point lower. Chanderpaul and Bravo could even be 2 points lower. Gibson gets a 2. Team batting gets a 4, bowling gets a 2 and fielding gets a 6. Overall team performance is a solid 3.New Zealand bowled to a plan and batted with purpose. WI batting was terrible and their bowling terrible. As captain, Mccullum was strategic and Sammy was lethargic. Looking ahead, Sammy, Best and Deonarine should be discarded. They are not test cricketers. How they got there ahead of Sarwan, Rampaul, Cummings, Simmons, Johnson and Edwards is a concern. Powell, Edwards and Ramdin are borderline and should be given a maximum of 5 to 10 tests to make or break their careers. Braithwaithe and Gabriel are not ready. Performance criteria should be established for every player ahead of every series and all players should be evaluated and selected based on their performance in their last 6 test matches. This is not complex.

  • on December 23, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    I am not sure where the Caribbean Athletic talent is going? Soccer?? Athletics?? Basketball?? But i cant find it anywhere. Anyways, I hope the caribbean premier league will encourge more to take to kids and hopefully the WINDIES will be back to the glory days. But the demise of quality from the late 90s to the present is shocking.

  • sheru-sher on December 23, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    The progress of West Indian cricket is being hampered by one man and that is the present captain. Eversince he was appointed captain questions have been asked about his ability to "make" the Test side . Logic dictates that if a player cannot 'make' the side on merit then how can he lead the side? Darren Sammy has no shame as he should have resigned a long time ago instead of hanging around and taking West Indies cricket down with him. Never before has WI cricket been ridiculed and laughed at by the rest of the cricketing nations before . Cricketing countries that feared the mention of the name WI are refusing to play against them now because WI have become boring . Sammy....please go ... get lost and let WI cricket rise from the ashes .

  • Frayninho21 on December 23, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    Test XI:

    Braithwaite, Powell, K Edwards, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Jonathan Carter, Ramdin, Roach, Rampaul, Narine, Bishoo.

    Others like Adrian Barath, Delorn Johnson, Miguel Cummins, Jason Holder, Sheldon Cottrell and Shane Shillingford (pending rehabilitation) need to come in to consideration as well.

    Sadly, players like Chris Gayle, Marlon Samuels, Narsingh Deonarine, Darren Sammy and Tino Best cannot take the West Indies forwards in test matches but have lots to offer (bar Best) in the shorter versions of the game.

  • CricketChat on December 23, 2013, 14:14 GMT

    @Fa Sda: Agree with almost everything you said except bringing in Gayle and Sarwan. They both were very good in the past, but are past their prime by a long way. They are also not a good investment for future. Pollard is definitely not a test candidate, but a sure shot only for shorter formats. WI needs to revamp their team structure (coaches included) after recent thrashings against Ind and NZ (who I thought are no better than WI to start with) as it can't get any worse.

  • on December 23, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    I admire the way Sammy goes about doing things on he field most times. He is however not a test player and should only player in limited overs matches. His role as all rounder should be handed back to Dwayne Bravo. His role as captain should be given to Ramdin with Darren Bravo as his deputy. Frankly, I am sure why Deonarine is in the side. He is very much like Stuart Williams who is likely to perform at the first class level but not on the international stage. Powell should continue being in the side and will move in a positive direction from here. It says something when a part time medium pace bowler out performs the two main 'strike' bowlers in Best and Gabriel. Both should be dropped for a while and be coached on how to play in test match conditions before be drafted back in as backup for Kemar roach. Jason Holder should be groomed and given a run in the test team as well as Sheldon. On the batting side, Simmons should be in the squad and eventually in the side. Pollard should also be given the opportunity to play test cricket as his ODI centuries have come when his team was under pressure and he needed to concentrate. While his technique might need a little work, he has the what he needs to do well. His experience playing in many different conditions around the world is also an asset. He would have done a lot better than some of those that we on show. Andre Russell, Dwayne Smith and Badree should all be in the limited overs squad.

  • on December 23, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    Drop Powell, Samuels, Deonarine, Best, Gabriel and Sammy. Bring back Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Roach and Rampaul. Bring Pollard in the squad and team too and if Sarwan scores runs in the coming domestic season then bring him in also. There is a lot of fast bowling talent around to groom with Roach and Ravi but Cotterel and Gabriel need more domestic cricket so look at the other promising guys. Not sold on Permaul or Miller as spinners. Nurse, Kantasingh, Bishoo and Cariah all are better or can be better but they need to stand up in the coming season or else its Miller and Permaul for Narine's understand. There aren't a lot of batting talent but if Sarwan has a good season then we can have a decent line up with Gayle; Edwards; Lil Bravo; Sarwan; Chanderpaul; Big Bravo or Pollard at 6; Ramdin captain; Narine; Roach; Rampaul and a spinner or pacer rounding off the 11.

  • Vnott on December 23, 2013, 5:49 GMT

    Selection issues persist. Many reasonable options not considered. Kieran Powell, Kirk Edwards, Deonarine all have not done much. Samuels is a enigma. He was terrific last year and hopeless now. All of them should be shown the door. If they are fit, Windies should go back to Adrian Barath, Gayle for opening with Dwayne Smith as option 3 ( Dwayne Smith looks really good in IPL - he cant be that bad as an option). Braithwite as a defensive 4th option, Darren Bravo at one drop. Chanderpaul at 4. Lendl Simmons, Johnson Charles at 5. Both good aggressive batsmen and given that Samuels is woefully out of form Windies need to replace him/ give him a break. Dwayne Bravo should come back at 6 to the test team. Ramdin at 7 followed by 4 bowlers which should revolve around Kemar Roach, Ravi Rampaul, Narine , Tino Best , Shannon Gabriel and Sammy. Windies need to use this 16 and hopefully put up better performances. They were doing better performances but have hit a major road block again....

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  • Vnott on December 23, 2013, 5:49 GMT

    Selection issues persist. Many reasonable options not considered. Kieran Powell, Kirk Edwards, Deonarine all have not done much. Samuels is a enigma. He was terrific last year and hopeless now. All of them should be shown the door. If they are fit, Windies should go back to Adrian Barath, Gayle for opening with Dwayne Smith as option 3 ( Dwayne Smith looks really good in IPL - he cant be that bad as an option). Braithwite as a defensive 4th option, Darren Bravo at one drop. Chanderpaul at 4. Lendl Simmons, Johnson Charles at 5. Both good aggressive batsmen and given that Samuels is woefully out of form Windies need to replace him/ give him a break. Dwayne Bravo should come back at 6 to the test team. Ramdin at 7 followed by 4 bowlers which should revolve around Kemar Roach, Ravi Rampaul, Narine , Tino Best , Shannon Gabriel and Sammy. Windies need to use this 16 and hopefully put up better performances. They were doing better performances but have hit a major road block again....

  • on December 23, 2013, 8:45 GMT

    Drop Powell, Samuels, Deonarine, Best, Gabriel and Sammy. Bring back Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Roach and Rampaul. Bring Pollard in the squad and team too and if Sarwan scores runs in the coming domestic season then bring him in also. There is a lot of fast bowling talent around to groom with Roach and Ravi but Cotterel and Gabriel need more domestic cricket so look at the other promising guys. Not sold on Permaul or Miller as spinners. Nurse, Kantasingh, Bishoo and Cariah all are better or can be better but they need to stand up in the coming season or else its Miller and Permaul for Narine's understand. There aren't a lot of batting talent but if Sarwan has a good season then we can have a decent line up with Gayle; Edwards; Lil Bravo; Sarwan; Chanderpaul; Big Bravo or Pollard at 6; Ramdin captain; Narine; Roach; Rampaul and a spinner or pacer rounding off the 11.

  • on December 23, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    I admire the way Sammy goes about doing things on he field most times. He is however not a test player and should only player in limited overs matches. His role as all rounder should be handed back to Dwayne Bravo. His role as captain should be given to Ramdin with Darren Bravo as his deputy. Frankly, I am sure why Deonarine is in the side. He is very much like Stuart Williams who is likely to perform at the first class level but not on the international stage. Powell should continue being in the side and will move in a positive direction from here. It says something when a part time medium pace bowler out performs the two main 'strike' bowlers in Best and Gabriel. Both should be dropped for a while and be coached on how to play in test match conditions before be drafted back in as backup for Kemar roach. Jason Holder should be groomed and given a run in the test team as well as Sheldon. On the batting side, Simmons should be in the squad and eventually in the side. Pollard should also be given the opportunity to play test cricket as his ODI centuries have come when his team was under pressure and he needed to concentrate. While his technique might need a little work, he has the what he needs to do well. His experience playing in many different conditions around the world is also an asset. He would have done a lot better than some of those that we on show. Andre Russell, Dwayne Smith and Badree should all be in the limited overs squad.

  • CricketChat on December 23, 2013, 14:14 GMT

    @Fa Sda: Agree with almost everything you said except bringing in Gayle and Sarwan. They both were very good in the past, but are past their prime by a long way. They are also not a good investment for future. Pollard is definitely not a test candidate, but a sure shot only for shorter formats. WI needs to revamp their team structure (coaches included) after recent thrashings against Ind and NZ (who I thought are no better than WI to start with) as it can't get any worse.

  • Frayninho21 on December 23, 2013, 14:30 GMT

    Test XI:

    Braithwaite, Powell, K Edwards, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Jonathan Carter, Ramdin, Roach, Rampaul, Narine, Bishoo.

    Others like Adrian Barath, Delorn Johnson, Miguel Cummins, Jason Holder, Sheldon Cottrell and Shane Shillingford (pending rehabilitation) need to come in to consideration as well.

    Sadly, players like Chris Gayle, Marlon Samuels, Narsingh Deonarine, Darren Sammy and Tino Best cannot take the West Indies forwards in test matches but have lots to offer (bar Best) in the shorter versions of the game.

  • sheru-sher on December 23, 2013, 14:55 GMT

    The progress of West Indian cricket is being hampered by one man and that is the present captain. Eversince he was appointed captain questions have been asked about his ability to "make" the Test side . Logic dictates that if a player cannot 'make' the side on merit then how can he lead the side? Darren Sammy has no shame as he should have resigned a long time ago instead of hanging around and taking West Indies cricket down with him. Never before has WI cricket been ridiculed and laughed at by the rest of the cricketing nations before . Cricketing countries that feared the mention of the name WI are refusing to play against them now because WI have become boring . Sammy....please go ... get lost and let WI cricket rise from the ashes .

  • on December 23, 2013, 15:03 GMT

    I am not sure where the Caribbean Athletic talent is going? Soccer?? Athletics?? Basketball?? But i cant find it anywhere. Anyways, I hope the caribbean premier league will encourge more to take to kids and hopefully the WINDIES will be back to the glory days. But the demise of quality from the late 90s to the present is shocking.

  • inot on December 23, 2013, 16:23 GMT

    Generous scores all the way through. Apart from Narine every other player should be a point lower. Chanderpaul and Bravo could even be 2 points lower. Gibson gets a 2. Team batting gets a 4, bowling gets a 2 and fielding gets a 6. Overall team performance is a solid 3.New Zealand bowled to a plan and batted with purpose. WI batting was terrible and their bowling terrible. As captain, Mccullum was strategic and Sammy was lethargic. Looking ahead, Sammy, Best and Deonarine should be discarded. They are not test cricketers. How they got there ahead of Sarwan, Rampaul, Cummings, Simmons, Johnson and Edwards is a concern. Powell, Edwards and Ramdin are borderline and should be given a maximum of 5 to 10 tests to make or break their careers. Braithwaithe and Gabriel are not ready. Performance criteria should be established for every player ahead of every series and all players should be evaluated and selected based on their performance in their last 6 test matches. This is not complex.

  • on December 23, 2013, 17:53 GMT

    W I have been losing test matches to the top 5 countries since 1995. Thats over 18 years now. How much more patience are we fans supposed to have? Instead of turning the proverbial corner, all we see is the perpetual roundabout of defeat. I, for one, have given up my membership at QPCC because I was brought up in another era. Go back to 1984 and look at the following team take the field to represent our region: Greenidge, Haynes, Richardson, Richards, Gomes, Lloyd-capt., Dujon-wkt., Marshall, Holding, Garner and Sylvester Clarke with Gus Logie-12 th man. Today`s team is not even a shadow ot The Greatest Test Cricket Team of All Time!

  • ranpath on December 23, 2013, 18:54 GMT

    I see that people keep calling for the return of Sarwan etc. One blogger elsewhere even offered the name Nash (Dion?). Let us be clear that in moving FORWARD it would be a backward step to recall those players who have had their day. First of all Sammy should be IMMEDIATELY REMOVED from the Test side as his batting approach is clearly more suitable for the shorter formats. Secondly at age 30 and lets say it takes a few years to adjust to a suitable style the push for Shillingford to return seems a little foolish. Thirdly we need to finally put this Tino Best mania to rest and remove him from playing Test cricket. Finally with respect to a captain I humbly suggest we look among the young players we presently have. The young man will need guidance, leadership training, and other management strategies to mould him as a test skipper. The Board will need to provide that. (If SA can pick a captain at age 23 why can't we try the same thing ? )