West Indies in New Zealand 2013-14

Too many passengers for West Indies

ESPNcricinfo looks back at which West Indies players emerged with any credit from the 2-0 drubbing by New Zealand and who are facing an uncertain future

Andrew McGlashan

December 23, 2013

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Darren Bravo raises his bat after reaching 200, New Zealand v West Indies, 1st Test, Dunedin, 4th day, December 6, 2013
Darren Bravo's double hundred was the best performance of the series from West Indies © AFP
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Darren Bravo

His nine-hour double hundred was the high point of the series for West Indies and should provide a model for all young West Indies batsmen. He does not appear overly burdened by the Lara comparisons, if anything he embraces them. Although he failed twice in the second Test, the future of the team's batting should be built around him.

Sunil Narine

West Indies wanted to play him from the start but were persuaded against it by green pitches. They'd have been better off ignoring the colour. He continued to have a hold over the New Zealand batsmen but could not find enough support to make it count. Can expect a run in the side now after Shane Shillingford's suspension.

Shivnarine Chanderpaul

He keeps on churning out the runs and his appetite is incredible given the collapses he often has to watch unfold. Now up to No. 6 in the all-time run-scoring list Chanderpaul rarely gets the acknowledgment of those around him. A valid debate to have about how he bats with the tail, but West Indies need him to hang around a while longer.

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Denesh Ramdin

Is one of the senior figures in this side and played like it during his Hamilton hundred which improved further on an impressive 18 months with the bat. His other innings were less convincing, although he was the victim of a stunning catch by Trent Boult in Wellington. His keeping was safe, but some of the other glovework untidy, although that was lower down West Indies' list of problems.

5

Kirk Edwards

Asked to open after Kraigg Brathwaite's delayed arrival he adapted determinedly with battling fifties in the first two Tests following an absence of 18 months from the Test team. Dropped a vital catch offered by Ross Taylor on nought in Wellington but emerged from the drubbing better placed than some.


Marlon Samuels plays the ball to the off side during his unbeaten fifty, New Zealand v West Indies, 2nd Test, Wellington, 2nd day, December 12, 2013
Marlon Samuels' endured a poor series when West Indies needed him © Getty Images
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Darren Sammy

Looked a broken man at the end of the series. His future in Test cricket must be in doubt, although other candidates for the captaincy do not jump out. Batted well in Dunedin, then bagged a pair in Wellington. His seam bowling was consistent but not a huge threat. Outstanding catcher.

Veerasammy Permaul

A steady performance and provided more control than the pace bowlers, barring Sammy, had managed. Deserved more than his one wicket in the first innings. Could be a useful lower-order batsmen.

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Kraigg Brathwaite

The signs were good in the first innings at Seddon Park, especially considering his lack of recent cricket. Showed sound judgement and a solid defence before fending to gully. The second innings was ugly with a hack across the line of a Boult inswinger.

Narsingh Deonarine

Does not convince as a Test batsman despite a gusty fifty in Dunedin. Too vulnerable outside off stump. His offspin is handy, but shouldn't keep him in the team. Held a couple of impressive out-field catches.

Shane Shillingford

Considering the cloud hanging over his action - which ultimately became a suspension - he performed commendably and gave New Zealand a scare in Dunedin. However, after being banned from bowling for a second time his career must now be in doubt.

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Kieran Powell

Having been reasonably established at the start of the series, he ended as one of those whose place will be under threat. Often appeared settled at the crease but could not kick on. Had a tendency to play around full deliveries and also kept the slips interested.

Marlon Samuels

The major disappointment of the series. Often appeared distracted at the crease and his footwork became non-existent as he was terrorised by the swinging ball. A world away from the player of 2012 when he averaged 65. West Indies can't afford to lose his talent. He should probably forget about the bowling.

Tino Best

He huffed and puffed. He screamed and shouted. But he did not provide Sammy with the consistency he needed from an experienced bowler. When he did find a full length, he caused problems but that was too rare an occurrence.

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Shannon Gabriel

Awful in Dunedin, better in Wellington, dropped for Hamilton. There is raw material to work with - height and a decent action - but he needs a better leader than Best to set an example.

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Posted by   on (December 26, 2013, 8:11 GMT)

@Mekkayel, I will try answer your points. Although Barath might have lost his form, he deserves a chance to prove himself, due to the dreadful treatment he suffered from WICB. Here you might be right, and in that case I rest my case. However, judging on what I heard about Walton, he is a much better wk than Ramdin. Holder might be too slow right now, but he is getting faster all the time, and his height is a key factor. I want to save Narine for one-day and T20, I don't want him to suffer Mendis's fate. Permaul has never got a chance as the lead spinner yet, and I believe he will do extremely well. Same reasoning with Rampaul, saving him for ODI. Also, Miguel and Ronsford are much quicker than him. Kieran Powell needs a few matches out of the XI, to wake him up. When he drops his habit of getting out after a start, he can challenge Barath and Braithwaite.Tagenarine Chanderpaul is the most talented batsman in the country, and so he should at least be in the squad. Remember Tendulkar?

Posted by Mekkayel on (December 25, 2013, 19:30 GMT)

For Tests: 1. K.Brathwaite 2. Gayle (WI need him reguardless of form, when he fires he scores BIG, see 333 against South Africa & 317 against NZ) or Kieran Powell as permanent replacement. 3. Chanderpaul ( the no.3 batsmen has to be the most consistant player in the team, see his batting records. also it wouldn't hurt to see him scoring more runs & WI having a sturdier top order). 4. Bravo, great foil to Chanders, Bravo is more aggressive than the defensive veteran. 5. Sarwan- another vet, best finisher WI currently has. 6.Edwards/Samuels, really either would do, i vote Edwards as he is in form and has a lot of years ahead of him, 7. Ramdin -capt,he's in form, averaging 40's since his return,8. Narine,can bat, best spinner in the world.9. Roach upon recovery,10. Rampaul once fit, 11. Cottrel deserves another chance & 3rd seamer, Reserves would be L.Simmons, Bishoo,N.Miller,J.Taylor once he has played enough 1st class games after his hiatus & is fit again. much better team on paper

Posted by Mekkayel on (December 25, 2013, 19:12 GMT)

After being a Ramdin hater for a while, i now take back what i said about him. Since his return he has been more consistent than most of the playing 11. @Eitan Shai Adrian Barath has lost his form and is miles away from what you saw years ago. Walton is a terrible batsman and inferior gloveman to Ramdin. Jason Holder is too inexperienced and slow for a test/first class team. Why would you drop the Best spinner in the world (Narine) who just took 6-91 for Permaul who only has 1 wicket and has been ordinary since returning to test cricket. Ravi Rampaul is more experienced than Cummings and Beaton. Kieran Powell has better statistics than Brathwaite to be only a reserve. Chanderpaul's son has only a handful of 1st class matches, he should never even be mentioned (yet) and the other bowlers you mentioned aren't special.

Posted by   on (December 25, 2013, 7:52 GMT)

I would totally revamp the WI squad, here is my ideal WI XI: 1. Kraigg Braithwaite 2. Adrian Barath 3. Darren Bravo 4. Marlon Samuels (sooner or later he will find his form) 5. Shivnarine Chanderpaul 6. Chadwick Walton 7. Jason Holder 8. Veerasammy Permaul 9. Kemar Roach 10. Miguel Cummins 11. Ronsford Beaton Reserves: Kieran Powell, Sheldon Cotterell, DeLorn Johnson, Tagenarine Chanderpaul

Posted by PaddyRasta1 on (December 24, 2013, 23:54 GMT)

It really needs to be back to basics. There's far too little first class four day games in WI with only six per season to enable a good chance of finding the best players. Then there should be two automatic picks from the first class comp. Established players eg like Samuels are taking their position for granted. Also Sammy has to go because he is a bowler that lacks real teeth. One can try to defend him for contributions with bat but his role at number eight is a bowler and he is not Test level. The expectation that Ramdin produces with the bat is fine but is there an alternative that even produces runs at first class level? No, not Chadwick Walton and The Devon Thomas experiment did not work either.

Posted by   on (December 24, 2013, 19:30 GMT)

@inot- I agree with most of your assessment, however I cannot argue for implementing "performance criteria" for the players and not the management staff. Further, a PI system for this WI team will force the system to shut down completely, if you hold their feet to the fire.

A PI system is good, but it has to be introduced at the lower levels and local teams must learn to measure against benchmarks before coming to the test arena. Lastly, do the players know what are the benchmarks they are measuring against ?

The selection of coaching staff needs to follow established criteria with education and successful experience as

Posted by Wetzouwo on (December 24, 2013, 17:31 GMT)

With all due respect to Sammy although he's good guy thats no reason why he should be in test side. Rampaul has to get in squad. Best and Sammy have to be discarded in Tests.Brathwaite needs some time, the 1st innings wasn't preety but he still managed to grind out a score in tough conditions, a skill most of the WI batsman need to learn.

Brathwaite, Simmons/Powell, DM Bravo, Chanderpaul, Fudadin, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Ramdin (wk), Rampaul, Narine, Roach for Test.

Gayle, Powell/Barath, Charles (wk), Samuels, Simmons, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Sammy, Rampaul/Roach, Narine, Holder for ODI

Gayle, Charles (wk), Simmons, DM Bravo, Pollard, DJ Bravo, Bonner, Sammy, Narine, Holder, Santokie/ Rampaul for T20.

I think by having Simmons in and around the Test squad it puts pressure on Ramdin as Simmon's batting is superior.Youngsters need to be bred into the T20/ODI squad so selectors can see how they can adapt to conditions and situations and see if there is potential for them to become test players

Posted by   on (December 24, 2013, 14:39 GMT)

Andrew you are way too kind with yoiur grades for some of these players except for Bravo, Narine. Even shiv disappointed me and I am his country man and a huge fan. I am finally convinced he plays for his stats by coming in too low in the order and exposing the tail to remain not out and not help the team win games. Samuels, Deonarine, Powell, Best, Gabriel should be dropped imediately. Sammy and Ramdin should be given one more series to prove themselves and if they are not consistant with bat should be dropped. Ramdin give us one good innings every 10 test when his place is on the line.

Posted by   on (December 24, 2013, 12:47 GMT)

The selectors should stop playing politics with selecting players ,we have a world class bowler in Narine which everyone recognizes except the selectors ,who make a lot of poor excuses why they not playing him in test matches and its only just because he actually played . I can think about a lot of other players who are labeled by the selectors,who should be given the opportunity to play

Posted by Orangetable on (December 24, 2013, 11:52 GMT)

The real problem is that this is 2nd generation of WI players that couldn`t careless about the Windies cricket. It started with Lara and carried on with Gayle, Sarwan etc. Personally I think its time to disband the WI team and let them play for their individual countries: but knowing the poor attitude of these players, that wont make much of a difference either.

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