South Africa news January 14, 2014

Slim pickings in South Africa spin search

South Africa's two senior spinners are both 34, and there is a lack of promising youngsters on the horizon
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All countries make do without something. Most of the islands of the Caribbean do not produce oil, India does not have a football team that is World Cup worthy (yet) and South Africa struggle for match-winning international spinners.

Currently, their choices lie between Robin Peterson and Imran Tahir, and both could do with some polishing. "They need to be a little bit more consistent," Paul Harris, the former South Africa left-arm spinner who retired from all forms of the game last season, told ESPNcricinfo.

"They both bowl a few too many bad balls. Robbie needs to work on line and length and hitting his areas all the time and Imran needs to learn to be patient. He also has to get his legspinner to turn so he doesn't have to rely on his googly as much."

Peterson is currently the man in possession and Harris thinks he will start against Australia. The three Tests will be played at Centurion, Port Elizabeth and Cape Town, venues where Harris feels South Africa will need a specialist spinner, which rules out the possibility of an all-pace attack and Duminy to do the slower bowling duties. Harris would prefer it that way, anyway.

"JP can bowl but it's not fair to ask him to bowl teams out. He should be able to give you 10 or 12 overs a day but he has to focus on his batting at No. 6," Harris said. "That's his main job. He could average 50 in Test cricket for South Africa so he should focus on that."

At the same time, Harris would like the spinner in South Africa's side to concentrate foremost on holding up an end because of the prowess of the pacemen. "It's really important to bowl as few bad balls as you can," Harris said. But he knows that's not as simple as it sounds, because he had to do it himself. "It's about understanding that every time you go out there, you don't have to take five wickets. It can get frustrating but it's the job."

Nicky Boje, who played 43 Tests for South Africa between 2000 and 2006, agrees that it can be "tough to be the only spinner in the side," because of the sometimes thankless nature of the job but said the rewards can be worthwhile. "Sometimes a spinner only takes one wicket but if you check the context of it, it will usually be quite an important wicket," he said. "Like the wickets Robbie took against India in the Durban Test, those were crucial."

Peterson finished with four wickets in the match and even though, as Harris conceded "they came from bad shots," it's that kind of luck that a spinner sometimes rides. Peterson also scored an important 61 in that match which, Harris believes, will give him the edge over Tahir in the immediate term, especially in Jacques Kallis' absence.

But as far as the future goes, South Africa need are still searching for a spinner. Both Peterson and Tahir are 34 years old and there is a lack of promising youngsters on the horizon. Harris has a reason for the lack of spin talent. "I feel a bit sorry for guys who want to become spinners because the pitches usually don't suit them at all," Harris said. "I remember when I was at the Titans, at one stage we had wickets being specifically prepared for spinners so Imran and I could learn."

Harris and Tahir played together for the Titans under Richard Pybus but it's rare to see two spinners in a first-class game anymore, particularly last summer when first-class pitches were seamer-friendly. "The spinners don't bowl as much as the quicks. Last season, very few first-class matches went four days, so there wasn't much opportunity for them," Harris said. This season, CSA sought to change that with less spicy domestic surfaces, to add to their attempts to encourage spin development.

Last August, for example, Boje accompanied six spinners to a training camp in Bangalore. They were joined by six batsmen, who made the trip to develop their skills on slower, turning tracks. "It was really about learning the conditions," Boje said. "The guys were getting a lot of overs under their belt and bowling for between four and five hours a day. They don't do that in South Africa, so from an experience point of view, it was valuable."

All six of them have played some franchise cricket with one of them surging to the front of the queue as far as national selection is concerned. Warriors' offspinner Simon Harmer played in the unofficial Tests against Australia A and India A in the winter that passed. He bowled South Africa A to victory against their Australian counterparts in the second match, with an innings haul of 8 for 87.

Boje is heartened to see the progress Harmer has made and Harris believes he could be a prospect in the years to come. "I like the look of him but he needs to mature a bit more," he told ESPNcricinfo. "He doesn't bowl many bad balls, he gets a bit of rip and he also catches very well."

Harmer is currently second on the first-class wicket-taking chart. In the four matches played so far he has claimed 17 scalps at 37.47, and is three wickets behind Cobras' left-arm seamer Beuran Hendricks. Last season, he was the highest wicket-taking spinner and was picked to play for South Africa A. "I think he can do a holding and a wicket-taking role but it will take time," Harris said. "But South Africa have a bit of that."

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • Protears on January 17, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    To be quite frank there are no match winning spinners in the world at the moment, the premium is on containment right now. Take suitable conditions out the way where Tahir outbowled Ajmal in Dubai, Swann and Panasar outbowled Ashwin, Jadaja, Ohja in favorable conditions there really is no worth in spinners right now. Which is why Lyon looks useful and why we now would love Paul Harris.

    Robbie P has the job right now and his modus should be consistency, if he can do that then he doesn't need to take 10 wickets to look justifiable.

    The other issue is our culture is not conducive to spin so we don't produce much in that area, same as India don't produce high quality seamers.

  • on January 17, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    Robbie P will play against Australia. He took 4 wickets against India, all of them off bad balls, but the selectors will ignore that, and he will be picked for all 3 tests against Australia. Because Robbie P is playing, we have to select an allrounder in place of Kallis. This will be McLaren. So the batting order will be Duminy, McLaren and Robbie P at 6,7,8. These 3 guys all average 30 in test cricket. So at 4 wickets down, we will be in real trouble against Mitch Johnson.

  • Robster1 on January 16, 2014, 2:00 GMT

    How much would SA give now for a Paul Harris. In time Harmer may well be a contender, but for now the cupboard is not well stocked. For limited over cricket van der Merwe must be close to a recall - and he can bat. Petersen and Tahir are most inconsistent and in any case are not that far from retirement.

  • MariusRoodt on January 15, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @Shaun Price Smit isn't the answer, he's taken two wickets in 3 Sunfoil Series matches this season. His average and SR are also high. He's possibly a good prospect in the future, but right now I think Peterson, Tahir, Harmer, and Leie are all better options.

  • lukiboy on January 15, 2014, 14:18 GMT

    I completely disagree with the statement that we have no promising spinners, Ediie Leie in particular and Subrayen, Harmer and Piedt are all young enough that with some proper coaching could be very successful. My biggest issue with South African spin bowling is that i have never head about a spin bowling clinic for our most promising talents, when i contently here about fast bowling clinics at the national academy. Why haven't we brought in a experienced international spinner who has been successful in all conditions, to mentor our young spin bowlers a couple weeks each season, first names that i can think of is Anil Kumble, Warne, Mustaq or even the newly retired Graeme Swann. We have never produced a world-class spinner so why South Africans like Henderson, entrusted with the job of South African spin coach

  • DeckChairand6pack on January 15, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    The Proteas have never had a problem taking 20 wickets. Our attack is devastating and the envy of world cricket. Clearly developing world class spin bowling talent is not something that has been a success in South African cricket. People may say we will come unstuck in the sub-continent or on pitches conducive to spin, and they may have a point. But still I would point to the fact that we have a good record in the sub continent, and moreover, our attack can take 20 wickets. I don't think we need to worry. Paul Harris was massively underrated btw.

  • duppa on January 15, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    What does Harris know - he wasn't even a spinner and we have the number 1 test side in the world. Spin - who cares. We have the devastation of Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Duminy is fine and can hold up an end and if Faf works on it they both can do it.

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:06 GMT

    There is no shortage of bowlers, fast medium & slow, just a shortage of quota players. Sorry to bring politics into this debate but as long as we continue to exclude/select players on colour rather than merit we will have shortages. how long Norman will quotas continue to be policy??. If we must wait until its 70% black, 15%,coloured 10% white 5% indian then we will never have a team on merit. Best players to take place of Kallis & Tahir are Dean Elgar & Daryn Smit. Elgar to bat at 7, Smit at 8. McLaren is not the answer, he does not impress as a bowler anymore & his batting is less productive than Smit. Both Elgar & Smit can bowl at least as clever as Tahir and they bring collectively a big PLUS to the batting. So my team for Port Elizabeth & Cape Town v Australia is Smith Petersen Amla Du Plessis Duminy De Villiers(W) Elgar Smit Philander Steyn Morkel

  • Mattothemacko on January 15, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    @The_Miz you obviously don't know much about cricket, HARMER turns the ball square, T20 on our wickets isn't about turning a ball, and this is a search for a test spinner! HARMER was the first cricketer in SA First class cricket history to end leading wicket taker in his rookie season! Go watch some first class cricket boet!

  • duncanmoo on January 15, 2014, 9:32 GMT

    The issue is SA spinners' exposure and experience. They learn their trade on seamer friendly pitches, so Eddie Leie with flat offspin may work locally but how would he perform on slow pitches (I am no expert)? Clearly however Leie and Phangiso are omissions from this article, there must be more.

  • Protears on January 17, 2014, 16:58 GMT

    To be quite frank there are no match winning spinners in the world at the moment, the premium is on containment right now. Take suitable conditions out the way where Tahir outbowled Ajmal in Dubai, Swann and Panasar outbowled Ashwin, Jadaja, Ohja in favorable conditions there really is no worth in spinners right now. Which is why Lyon looks useful and why we now would love Paul Harris.

    Robbie P has the job right now and his modus should be consistency, if he can do that then he doesn't need to take 10 wickets to look justifiable.

    The other issue is our culture is not conducive to spin so we don't produce much in that area, same as India don't produce high quality seamers.

  • on January 17, 2014, 15:37 GMT

    Robbie P will play against Australia. He took 4 wickets against India, all of them off bad balls, but the selectors will ignore that, and he will be picked for all 3 tests against Australia. Because Robbie P is playing, we have to select an allrounder in place of Kallis. This will be McLaren. So the batting order will be Duminy, McLaren and Robbie P at 6,7,8. These 3 guys all average 30 in test cricket. So at 4 wickets down, we will be in real trouble against Mitch Johnson.

  • Robster1 on January 16, 2014, 2:00 GMT

    How much would SA give now for a Paul Harris. In time Harmer may well be a contender, but for now the cupboard is not well stocked. For limited over cricket van der Merwe must be close to a recall - and he can bat. Petersen and Tahir are most inconsistent and in any case are not that far from retirement.

  • MariusRoodt on January 15, 2014, 14:25 GMT

    @Shaun Price Smit isn't the answer, he's taken two wickets in 3 Sunfoil Series matches this season. His average and SR are also high. He's possibly a good prospect in the future, but right now I think Peterson, Tahir, Harmer, and Leie are all better options.

  • lukiboy on January 15, 2014, 14:18 GMT

    I completely disagree with the statement that we have no promising spinners, Ediie Leie in particular and Subrayen, Harmer and Piedt are all young enough that with some proper coaching could be very successful. My biggest issue with South African spin bowling is that i have never head about a spin bowling clinic for our most promising talents, when i contently here about fast bowling clinics at the national academy. Why haven't we brought in a experienced international spinner who has been successful in all conditions, to mentor our young spin bowlers a couple weeks each season, first names that i can think of is Anil Kumble, Warne, Mustaq or even the newly retired Graeme Swann. We have never produced a world-class spinner so why South Africans like Henderson, entrusted with the job of South African spin coach

  • DeckChairand6pack on January 15, 2014, 13:58 GMT

    The Proteas have never had a problem taking 20 wickets. Our attack is devastating and the envy of world cricket. Clearly developing world class spin bowling talent is not something that has been a success in South African cricket. People may say we will come unstuck in the sub-continent or on pitches conducive to spin, and they may have a point. But still I would point to the fact that we have a good record in the sub continent, and moreover, our attack can take 20 wickets. I don't think we need to worry. Paul Harris was massively underrated btw.

  • duppa on January 15, 2014, 11:49 GMT

    What does Harris know - he wasn't even a spinner and we have the number 1 test side in the world. Spin - who cares. We have the devastation of Steyn, Morkel and Philander. Duminy is fine and can hold up an end and if Faf works on it they both can do it.

  • on January 15, 2014, 11:06 GMT

    There is no shortage of bowlers, fast medium & slow, just a shortage of quota players. Sorry to bring politics into this debate but as long as we continue to exclude/select players on colour rather than merit we will have shortages. how long Norman will quotas continue to be policy??. If we must wait until its 70% black, 15%,coloured 10% white 5% indian then we will never have a team on merit. Best players to take place of Kallis & Tahir are Dean Elgar & Daryn Smit. Elgar to bat at 7, Smit at 8. McLaren is not the answer, he does not impress as a bowler anymore & his batting is less productive than Smit. Both Elgar & Smit can bowl at least as clever as Tahir and they bring collectively a big PLUS to the batting. So my team for Port Elizabeth & Cape Town v Australia is Smith Petersen Amla Du Plessis Duminy De Villiers(W) Elgar Smit Philander Steyn Morkel

  • Mattothemacko on January 15, 2014, 9:51 GMT

    @The_Miz you obviously don't know much about cricket, HARMER turns the ball square, T20 on our wickets isn't about turning a ball, and this is a search for a test spinner! HARMER was the first cricketer in SA First class cricket history to end leading wicket taker in his rookie season! Go watch some first class cricket boet!

  • duncanmoo on January 15, 2014, 9:32 GMT

    The issue is SA spinners' exposure and experience. They learn their trade on seamer friendly pitches, so Eddie Leie with flat offspin may work locally but how would he perform on slow pitches (I am no expert)? Clearly however Leie and Phangiso are omissions from this article, there must be more.

  • THE_MIZ on January 15, 2014, 9:21 GMT

    While I must admit that I've not seen much of Leie, Piedt, and Coetsee, judging by the RAM SLAM T20, Simon Harmer is NOT the answer to our spin crisis. What you're getting with him is the right-hand version of Robbie P. Valuable lower-order batter BUT crucially barely turns the ball. He hasn't produced any WOW performances in the T20 comp. If we're reverting to 'holding' bowler then I'm afraid he's nothing new. Also if he averages 33 at domestic level, imagine what it would be at International Level! I'm not quite sold on him just yet

  • on January 15, 2014, 8:50 GMT

    No one has mentioned the most promising spinner of all- Prenelan Subrayen!

  • SurlyCynic on January 15, 2014, 8:43 GMT

    Why does the article not even mention Eddie Leie? Perhaps the author spends all her time watching international cricket but I've seen him bowl a few times in domestic cricket and was impressed. Like most leg spinners he'll probably need more time to become consistent but it's not like SA is blessed with many leg spinners with good variations.

  • Jeeves_ on January 15, 2014, 8:39 GMT

    South Africa should select Johan Botha who does consistently a holding job. He is also a similar or better batsmen than Robin Peterson. He would also make a better captain than Graham Smith.

  • Nuxxy on January 15, 2014, 8:11 GMT

    Great to see Harmer finally get a mention. So far I know, he is the only current SA bowler to have taken 8 wickets in an innings multiple times, including that SA vs Aus 'A' match. We will have to see how he does in India and the like, but he is the best option in SA, as he can contain, unlike Tahir and Petersen.

  • Romanticstud on January 15, 2014, 8:07 GMT

    I reckon we need to have faith in one SPINNER ... as it is unfair to keep changing the SPINNER on every second match we play ... I agree that they need to tighten up ... but it is also the onus on the CAPTAIN to set the field so that the bowler can feel confident ... We need to set attacking fields like Australia did with Warne ... We need to have a slip, a leg slip ... a man a 45 on the off on the 30m line, a silly point, a forward short leg ... at least ... then maybe we might have more effective spinners ... You will find once the fielding side put pressure on the batsmen ... so the bowlers will increase their CONFIDENCE ...

  • Haleos on January 15, 2014, 7:45 GMT

    SA have to rely on Tahir. Such is the state of spin in the country that they can not produce a decent spinner.Botha is 100 times better than tahir in all departments.

  • MariusRoodt on January 15, 2014, 7:43 GMT

    Lack of good young spinners coming through?

    Of the top 10 wicket takers in the Sunfoil Series four are spinners: Harmer, Leie, Piedt, and Coetsee. Of them, Coetsee is a bit long in the tooth, but the others are all young.

    Harmer should be the next guy to get a go, averages over 30 at FC level with the bat which is also not bad.

    Eddie Leie also looks a decent prospect, bowls quite flat legspin, and keeps Phangiso out of the Lions side in the FC competition.

  • Clan_McLachlan on January 15, 2014, 7:22 GMT

    Harmer looks good. The next best young spinner in the country after him after him is Dane van Niekerk. I'd love to see her playing on the regular domestic circuit, but I guess that'll never happen.

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:58 GMT

    Harmer is a good prospect, the guy can bat as well. SA should give him more exposure to international cricket, with South Africa, the spinner might learn more on the job with the national side rather than at the First Class level.

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:41 GMT

    @ Zak - most sense anyone has up with regards to this issue. I think we should look at another quickie - we have enough of them around and someone like Tsotsobe or Parnell will give us extra variety with left arm over. I do however have another option no one else has probably paid any thought to. To make our current side even better,we need someone who can take the game away from a side when it looks like a draw to be no other result: Albie Morkel is that kind of batsman. He also bowls a brisk outswinger - I know he's not going to take you 5 wickets, but he'll slip less runs than our spinners currently do. He also will take longer to get through his overs as he bowls from a longer run up - giving our other quicks more time to rest. And if Donald can work with him a bit, he make just turn out taking more wickets than our spinners at less runs per over.

    I would love to hear other SA cricket supporters' thought on this.

  • on January 15, 2014, 6:14 GMT

    If Imran Tahir and Robin Peterson still need polishing in the year they both turn 35, then we really are in trouble. Anyway, as a country all our bowling role models are fast men. If you talk about Allan Donald, Shaun Pollock, Fanie de Villiers and Makhaya Ntini, in all likelihood people will know about them. On the hand if you talk about Nicky Boje expect people to ask you, "Nicky who?". We need to change mindset just like India did with fast bowling. We need to encourage youngsters that one can become an international cricketer as a spinner.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on January 15, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    My worst nightmare has been confirmed. R.Petersen will play for at least 2 Test matches against Australia. This is so depressing. All the hard work by Steyn, Vern and Morkel will be undone when he comes on to bowl. Make no mistake, the Aussies will ruthlessly attack him and milk the easy runs. I realise its not his fault as in SA we simply dont have anything decent that is ready for Test cricket.

    R.Petersens 4 wickets were absolute gifts by the Indian batters, but wickets nevertheless. This spinning issue has been an Achilles' heel for SA a while now, I hope Harmer can be developed soon to provide some relief.

    I will be interested to find out from some Fellow SA fans, on how good Harmer is? (in comparison to domestic spinners). Does he look the part to at least hold up an end and is he is ready yet?

  • BaasHerman on January 15, 2014, 5:50 GMT

    @lion83 You know that the Proteas haven't lost a test series away from home for 9 years now. And they have taken 20 wickets on those flat subcontinental pitches quite regularly.

  • Testcricketistop on January 15, 2014, 5:48 GMT

    We simply don't have conditions to cultivate top quality spinners in SA, we haven't produced one world class spinner since our return, chances that we will ever produce anything more than a containment bowler is slim.

    We achieved our ranking without having top quality spinners, so I think the emphasis should be to continue to look for spinners who can do a holding job.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:43 GMT

    TAHIR is an attacking bowler,he gets you wickets or spills runs. so its wise to use him in sub continental tracks. let perterson play in south africa, he will also get you some runs and improve the lower order. SA s bowling is not at all a worry, its just the batting that we need to improve. so the best replacement for KALLIS is bring in the young DE KOCK at no.7 and move DU PLESSIS up the order, this will reduce the workload of DE VILLEARS. ELGAR needs to improve his batting a lot, and he is not a NO.7 batsmen.MCLAREN or PARNELL both of them should improve their wicket taking ability and be more consistent, just bowling in 20 -20 tournaments and 50 over format will/should not fetch them a test spot.

  • Zak- on January 15, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    Rather no spinner at all than the rubbish they currently keep picking. RobbieP must go! Australia will murder him, and SA along with him. Get JP & Faf to do the spining job between them.

  • SICHO on January 15, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    One thing our spinners need to do is to keep bowling tight and add up the pressure created by the quicks. But as Harris said, they bowl far too many bad balls and release the pressure off the batsman. If they keep bowling tight wickets will eventually come, and Smith can be able to rotate the quicks at the other end. Its not that we expect them to turn the ball viciously on SA pitches. Just keep it tight, we've seen enough long hops and full-tosses already.

  • Marktc on January 15, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    IT would be great to have a spinner of quality in the side, but the past tours have proved that SA don't need one not to lose a series on tour........they are one of the best travelling teams there is, on all pitches.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:09 GMT

    Elgar could come in for Kallis, and bat at 7, move faf to 4. Have Elgar and JP as the 2 spinners, drop Robbie for either Parnell for his allround skills, or Abbott for his great bowling. Imagine Vern and Dale come off and in comes Abott and Morne, 4 quality quick (Beuran next in line) and 2 decent more than part time spinners. Great batting depth and Elgar is left arm spin and JP offspin, so a nice mix there too.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    I still think it was a blunder for South Africa to let Johan Botha slip through their Fingers,, He was much more matured Game wise and in the few games that He played he didn't do too bad..

    But nonetheless we still haven't lost an away Series since 2006 and there is nowhere we haven't toured which mean that a Specialist Spinner will be a Plus

  • Lion83 on January 15, 2014, 4:03 GMT

    If SA wants to remain in No 1 test team in the world they need to have a quality spinner, cos their fast bowlers cannot get 20 wickets in flat subcontinent wickets.

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  • Lion83 on January 15, 2014, 4:03 GMT

    If SA wants to remain in No 1 test team in the world they need to have a quality spinner, cos their fast bowlers cannot get 20 wickets in flat subcontinent wickets.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:02 GMT

    I still think it was a blunder for South Africa to let Johan Botha slip through their Fingers,, He was much more matured Game wise and in the few games that He played he didn't do too bad..

    But nonetheless we still haven't lost an away Series since 2006 and there is nowhere we haven't toured which mean that a Specialist Spinner will be a Plus

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:09 GMT

    Elgar could come in for Kallis, and bat at 7, move faf to 4. Have Elgar and JP as the 2 spinners, drop Robbie for either Parnell for his allround skills, or Abbott for his great bowling. Imagine Vern and Dale come off and in comes Abott and Morne, 4 quality quick (Beuran next in line) and 2 decent more than part time spinners. Great batting depth and Elgar is left arm spin and JP offspin, so a nice mix there too.

  • Marktc on January 15, 2014, 5:12 GMT

    IT would be great to have a spinner of quality in the side, but the past tours have proved that SA don't need one not to lose a series on tour........they are one of the best travelling teams there is, on all pitches.

  • SICHO on January 15, 2014, 5:21 GMT

    One thing our spinners need to do is to keep bowling tight and add up the pressure created by the quicks. But as Harris said, they bowl far too many bad balls and release the pressure off the batsman. If they keep bowling tight wickets will eventually come, and Smith can be able to rotate the quicks at the other end. Its not that we expect them to turn the ball viciously on SA pitches. Just keep it tight, we've seen enough long hops and full-tosses already.

  • Zak- on January 15, 2014, 5:41 GMT

    Rather no spinner at all than the rubbish they currently keep picking. RobbieP must go! Australia will murder him, and SA along with him. Get JP & Faf to do the spining job between them.

  • on January 15, 2014, 5:43 GMT

    TAHIR is an attacking bowler,he gets you wickets or spills runs. so its wise to use him in sub continental tracks. let perterson play in south africa, he will also get you some runs and improve the lower order. SA s bowling is not at all a worry, its just the batting that we need to improve. so the best replacement for KALLIS is bring in the young DE KOCK at no.7 and move DU PLESSIS up the order, this will reduce the workload of DE VILLEARS. ELGAR needs to improve his batting a lot, and he is not a NO.7 batsmen.MCLAREN or PARNELL both of them should improve their wicket taking ability and be more consistent, just bowling in 20 -20 tournaments and 50 over format will/should not fetch them a test spot.

  • Testcricketistop on January 15, 2014, 5:48 GMT

    We simply don't have conditions to cultivate top quality spinners in SA, we haven't produced one world class spinner since our return, chances that we will ever produce anything more than a containment bowler is slim.

    We achieved our ranking without having top quality spinners, so I think the emphasis should be to continue to look for spinners who can do a holding job.

  • BaasHerman on January 15, 2014, 5:50 GMT

    @lion83 You know that the Proteas haven't lost a test series away from home for 9 years now. And they have taken 20 wickets on those flat subcontinental pitches quite regularly.

  • TommytuckerSaffa on January 15, 2014, 5:57 GMT

    My worst nightmare has been confirmed. R.Petersen will play for at least 2 Test matches against Australia. This is so depressing. All the hard work by Steyn, Vern and Morkel will be undone when he comes on to bowl. Make no mistake, the Aussies will ruthlessly attack him and milk the easy runs. I realise its not his fault as in SA we simply dont have anything decent that is ready for Test cricket.

    R.Petersens 4 wickets were absolute gifts by the Indian batters, but wickets nevertheless. This spinning issue has been an Achilles' heel for SA a while now, I hope Harmer can be developed soon to provide some relief.

    I will be interested to find out from some Fellow SA fans, on how good Harmer is? (in comparison to domestic spinners). Does he look the part to at least hold up an end and is he is ready yet?