Australia v England, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 2nd day December 4, 2010

New faces but same problems for Australia

The hosts shuffled their quick-bowling pack before the second Test but so far it has made little difference and Ricky Ponting has nowhere left to turn
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Residents in the Adelaide Hills know lightning doesn't strike in the same place twice, but the Australians are quickly learning that the concept doesn't apply to this Ashes series. For the second time in two innings the local attack has been burnt by English batsmen who are at home in conditions that were once so demanding.

In three sessions in Adelaide, Australia have been twice as successful as during the second innings in Brisbane, where the riot finished at 1 for 517. There is nothing else to be cheerful about after the revamped attack failed to melt their opponents in the hot, dry conditions. There was no relief from the storms that were visible in the hills as the visitors skipped to 2 for 317, and another dose of punishment is due for day three.

England, who have had more cases of heatstroke than series wins here over the past 20 years, are lining up for retribution. The Australian team is unrecognisable from four summers ago except for their leader and the colour of the caps. In times past they could bring in a replacement knowing that the original man could be covered without weakening the chain.

Australia entered this match with a new bowling hand, but have done nothing more than swap a pair of 3s for a couple of 4s. No amount of bluffing on a flat pitch can turn that collection into a pot-grabbing success, especially against such in-form batsmen.

Ryan Harris and Doug Bollinger have joined Peter Siddle and are on the way to suffering the same damage that broke Ben Hilfenhaus and Mitchell Johnson at the Gabba. Having already been let down by the batsmen, who fell over for 245 on the most run-friendly pitch in the land, the fast men were already well behind.

The effort of the trio cannot be mocked because they charged in throughout a day that peaked at 37 degrees. Bollinger collected a third-ball breakthrough with a teasing in-swinger and chances were created early and not taken. Once England overcame those difficulties they raced ahead, taking 54 runs in the first hour. They didn't need to brake for long over the remainder of the day.

While the batting was first-class, the collective standard of the bowling was much lower. Australia are ranked No.5 for good reason, with the side unable to make consistent runs or rely on regular wickets. The current crop isn't sure what to do because it has never known such regular, helpless positions, and the leader's requests keep changing.

All are trying in unison with Ponting, who trials inventive fields and then regularly re-sets them. If he was winning he would be compared to Mike Brearley for his brilliance, but in this tinkering mood he looks like a mad professor. The complex demands aren't working for a team of relative newcomers.

Ponting felt Doherty could follow the team plan, but he has been severely outclassed and unable to build pressure

In the first session, the bowlers were asked to target the leg stump of Jonathan Trott, who aimed successfully at the boundaries and ensured the momentum from day one remained with England. Before the new ball came, Siddle briefly attacked Cook with short balls, while having three men on the rope on the legside, but that burst passed without incident. Ponting was playing chess and not realising England were enjoying a simple game of draughts. Harris was the best performer and his only success came when Trott popped a catch to the regulation position of midwicket.

Whenever Xavier Doherty, the left-arm spinner, was employed the batsmen were able to relax and wait to latch on to his short balls. Cook cut three boundaries in consecutive deliveries and the rest were untroubled by a man Ponting wanted in the side. Ponting felt Doherty could follow the team plan, but he has been severely outclassed and unable to build pressure.

So far Doherty has given up 70 runs in 15 overs - ten fours came from short offerings outside off stump - in what could be his last Test innings. Nathan Hauritz, who took career-best figures for New South Wales this week, must come back to provide some confidence and control, even though he was cut so severely two weeks ago. What to do about the rest is as cloudy as the forecast for the latter stages of the game.

In seven days, Ponting has used eight bowlers and nothing good has happened for them after Siddle's six-wicket flicker when the curtain raised at the Gabba. The three specialist fast men in this match have been honest and committed, but not dangerous. Just like the second innings at the Gabba.

These are unfamiliar times for Australia and they have to change direction to alter the course of the series. Toning down the test-tube fields and focusing on one line outside off stump is a starting point. It goes against Australia's attacking philosophy to be so narrow, but the current tactics are failing and some disciplined boredom is required to stay in the contest. Without a quality spinner and an elite strike bowler, they have no choice but to grind.

What they really need is some lightning but Johnson, the man most capable of those bolts, is out of the side and horribly out of form. On the second day all the flashes came from the dark clouds in the hills east of Adelaide, and the England batsmen in the middle.

Peter English is the Australasia editor of Cricinfo

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  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    To be Honest , the Australians played Poorly . I mean when you drop a guy 2 times (Trott) how can you expect to win a match . . . . ? Australians take pride in their fielding and had those catches been taken the outcome would have been quite different . The Bottomline is that the Australians have no one to blame but themselves for shoddy batting , poor fielding and wayward bowling

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    We must keep some faith in the selectors but they have to widen their horizons. Our stocks are not as good as we thought. Some changes are needed for Perth. We must have a spinner which would be Hauritz or as a wild card S O'Keefe. Paine takes on the keeping and Haddin plays as a batsman. Does he open with Watson? After all without Haddin and Hussey we would have lost the 1st test and may also lose the 2nd. Katich (injured) brings North to open. His last chance. If Clarke plays he better be fit. Which bowlers is difficult. All of the bowlers who played in the last 2 test matches have gone. Some of the current bowlers seem to have twinges. If fit, best bet Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Bollinger but perhaps good time to blood a new boy e.g. Hazelwood or George. If only Ponting had Warne's flair. We may win!

  • POSTED BY longdonkey on | December 5, 2010, 6:35 GMT

    No need to panic - we need to play our best 11 and the guys who are playing are pretty close to the best 11. Too bad Hodge is 36 because he is still close to being in our best 11.The pitches we have played on have highlighted our problem - our bowling is not good enough but I don't think we have better. For those posters who believe that this is an opportunity to stack the side with more NSW players like Hodra99 think again. The rain has set in here and more is forecast for the next 2 days so a draw is on the cards. I think if Haddin drops another few catches the finger will start being pointed at him, although he took a cracker today and the runs he's making are valuable the fielding has been inferior to the English.

  • POSTED BY coolguy_sing on | December 5, 2010, 5:44 GMT

    I think it doesnt matter who Aus bring in. All the Aus bowlers and batsmen are way below international standards. Lets accept that. Please dont expect Aus to be the same like they were 10yrs back. The important missed out part is the bench strength. They failed to develop it even though they have a very robust structure in place. Main players dropping out of imp series to practise in shield matches looks like a big joke on themselves. I dont understand what they could practise more in domestic matches than international matches. Anyway, Aus are down and out for the next 10yrs. Lets expect something from them after 2020. In the mean time, Ind are the best. Lets celebrate their success. Infact you dont have a choice. they are going to rule the records for the next 10yrs. Based on how well they manage their bench strengths, they will extend their limit. Am getting ready for celebrations.

  • POSTED BY Verleus on | December 5, 2010, 5:38 GMT

    Lets see how this English team fares when they face India this summer...Wont be able to make merry then..!Ha..!No doubt remains that India and SAF are the best teams right now.

  • POSTED BY Dooglar on | December 5, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    Where has that brilliant tactician gone? While Australia was blessed with some of the toughest cricketers, everyone, excluding me, touted Ponters as the greatest man ever to lead men. Now that he is being called upon to truly lead men who are crying out for bold leadership, he is nowhere to be found. Is anyone seeing what I'm seeing in his eyes. The fear is palpable. The free march is over, Ponters.

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    Austalia is no where in Batting ,Bowling and fielding in grounds England ,South africa and India is really doing very well.Even Srilanka is doing better.I think new bowlers has to learn from great old one like Lille,Mcgrath, and Shane warne to save Ashes

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 5, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    How tricky /psycho the Ausies telecast is !!! have been watching the Ashes on Skysports, till some time ago the score bar at the bottom of the screen was showing Eng Lead by XXX runs…now for the past 1hr it's been changed to Aus 245(1st inn score)….Even the Ausie broadcast does not want the little psycho advantage to Eng and the viewers……down down The Ausies….

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    I think the major decline has been in the fielding department. Once upon a time the Aussies weren't dropping catches but nowadays they seem to miss easy chances on a regular basis which comes back to haunt them. Harris I think bowled pretty well, and Bollinger could have had more wickets if Hussey hadn't dropped a sitter. I'm not much a fan of Siddle, seems a nothing bowler. Doherty has reasonably good control most of the time but his insane lack of pace variation is mystifying. Are coaches not saying to him toss it up? Is Ponting? Those type of darts have shown they work in one-day cricket but first-class cricket is a different ball-game. Hauritz getting a 5-for against WA isn't that impressive given WA's batting woes atm, so I wouldn't consider him for a recall just based on one game (we know what happened to Johnson after his 5-for).

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | December 5, 2010, 3:06 GMT

    Xavier Doherty is a useless bowler and a worthless fielder. Sack him. Bring the proven Hauritz back.

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    To be Honest , the Australians played Poorly . I mean when you drop a guy 2 times (Trott) how can you expect to win a match . . . . ? Australians take pride in their fielding and had those catches been taken the outcome would have been quite different . The Bottomline is that the Australians have no one to blame but themselves for shoddy batting , poor fielding and wayward bowling

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    We must keep some faith in the selectors but they have to widen their horizons. Our stocks are not as good as we thought. Some changes are needed for Perth. We must have a spinner which would be Hauritz or as a wild card S O'Keefe. Paine takes on the keeping and Haddin plays as a batsman. Does he open with Watson? After all without Haddin and Hussey we would have lost the 1st test and may also lose the 2nd. Katich (injured) brings North to open. His last chance. If Clarke plays he better be fit. Which bowlers is difficult. All of the bowlers who played in the last 2 test matches have gone. Some of the current bowlers seem to have twinges. If fit, best bet Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Bollinger but perhaps good time to blood a new boy e.g. Hazelwood or George. If only Ponting had Warne's flair. We may win!

  • POSTED BY longdonkey on | December 5, 2010, 6:35 GMT

    No need to panic - we need to play our best 11 and the guys who are playing are pretty close to the best 11. Too bad Hodge is 36 because he is still close to being in our best 11.The pitches we have played on have highlighted our problem - our bowling is not good enough but I don't think we have better. For those posters who believe that this is an opportunity to stack the side with more NSW players like Hodra99 think again. The rain has set in here and more is forecast for the next 2 days so a draw is on the cards. I think if Haddin drops another few catches the finger will start being pointed at him, although he took a cracker today and the runs he's making are valuable the fielding has been inferior to the English.

  • POSTED BY coolguy_sing on | December 5, 2010, 5:44 GMT

    I think it doesnt matter who Aus bring in. All the Aus bowlers and batsmen are way below international standards. Lets accept that. Please dont expect Aus to be the same like they were 10yrs back. The important missed out part is the bench strength. They failed to develop it even though they have a very robust structure in place. Main players dropping out of imp series to practise in shield matches looks like a big joke on themselves. I dont understand what they could practise more in domestic matches than international matches. Anyway, Aus are down and out for the next 10yrs. Lets expect something from them after 2020. In the mean time, Ind are the best. Lets celebrate their success. Infact you dont have a choice. they are going to rule the records for the next 10yrs. Based on how well they manage their bench strengths, they will extend their limit. Am getting ready for celebrations.

  • POSTED BY Verleus on | December 5, 2010, 5:38 GMT

    Lets see how this English team fares when they face India this summer...Wont be able to make merry then..!Ha..!No doubt remains that India and SAF are the best teams right now.

  • POSTED BY Dooglar on | December 5, 2010, 5:19 GMT

    Where has that brilliant tactician gone? While Australia was blessed with some of the toughest cricketers, everyone, excluding me, touted Ponters as the greatest man ever to lead men. Now that he is being called upon to truly lead men who are crying out for bold leadership, he is nowhere to be found. Is anyone seeing what I'm seeing in his eyes. The fear is palpable. The free march is over, Ponters.

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    Austalia is no where in Batting ,Bowling and fielding in grounds England ,South africa and India is really doing very well.Even Srilanka is doing better.I think new bowlers has to learn from great old one like Lille,Mcgrath, and Shane warne to save Ashes

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 5, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    How tricky /psycho the Ausies telecast is !!! have been watching the Ashes on Skysports, till some time ago the score bar at the bottom of the screen was showing Eng Lead by XXX runs…now for the past 1hr it's been changed to Aus 245(1st inn score)….Even the Ausie broadcast does not want the little psycho advantage to Eng and the viewers……down down The Ausies….

  • POSTED BY on | December 5, 2010, 3:48 GMT

    I think the major decline has been in the fielding department. Once upon a time the Aussies weren't dropping catches but nowadays they seem to miss easy chances on a regular basis which comes back to haunt them. Harris I think bowled pretty well, and Bollinger could have had more wickets if Hussey hadn't dropped a sitter. I'm not much a fan of Siddle, seems a nothing bowler. Doherty has reasonably good control most of the time but his insane lack of pace variation is mystifying. Are coaches not saying to him toss it up? Is Ponting? Those type of darts have shown they work in one-day cricket but first-class cricket is a different ball-game. Hauritz getting a 5-for against WA isn't that impressive given WA's batting woes atm, so I wouldn't consider him for a recall just based on one game (we know what happened to Johnson after his 5-for).

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | December 5, 2010, 3:06 GMT

    Xavier Doherty is a useless bowler and a worthless fielder. Sack him. Bring the proven Hauritz back.

  • POSTED BY proud_aussie_simmo on | December 5, 2010, 3:02 GMT

    I'd really like to see Australia decide on 3 or 4 senior players worth selecting and then make up the rest of the team with 20-25 year olds. Okay we'd probably get thrashed at first, but given how things are going now there's a lot more to gain than there is to lose. We need some fresh faces on the selection panel to help make this happen, perhaps Taylor, Warne and Langer to join Greg Chappel.

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 5, 2010, 2:53 GMT

    dear jupiterlaw, how old are you mate ? i've been following cricket(Ashes) since the days of my childhood from the 1950s...(tough it was impossible to watch matches live i used to listen to ABC) so i know very well....the game... WI were beating Ausies when they were having the great fast(Holding,Roberts,Joel,Malcome, Walsh, etc) and when WI team were the best 70s and 80s.....Ausies have dominated cricket for the past 15 yrs from the early 90's after the downfall of the great WI team of the 70s.....from the recent years of cricket it is India who made Ausies eat dust for the past many occasions, read the records pls....it's India who won a Border-Gavasker trophy in the 08-09 and 10-11(recent).....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border-Gavaskar_Trophy

  • POSTED BY Hodra99 on | December 5, 2010, 1:26 GMT

    Team for 3rd test at the WACA must be: Hughes, Katich, Ponting, Clarke, M Hussey, Watson, Haddin, Hauritz, Johnson, Harris, Siddle 12thBollinger. Australia are struggling at the moment no doubt, but they can comeback. Australia's team in the 2013 ashes in England will be: Hughes, Watson, Khawaja, Clarke, Ferguson, Smith, Paine, O'Keefe, Starc, Harris, Hazelwood 12th Copeland

  • POSTED BY Yotta on | December 5, 2010, 0:29 GMT

    Another point to be made here, England has shown the value of preparation, in 2005 and 2009 Australia had extended breaks and minimal preparation before the Ashes tours and were found wanting. For this tour England had extended preparations so has a lot more recent experience in Australian conditions then Australia. Hopefully this is a lesson CA learns when scheduling future tours, esp of India and England. It will make for interesting changes in the fallout of this test and/or the Ashes if we lose them. This team is close to the best on offer, so some subtle changes to the team and management/selectors could make all the difference, but there is the potential to wipe the slate clean and put together a new and youthful team who might struggle in the short term but with potential to perform and reassert dominance in the future.

  • POSTED BY Scgboy on | December 5, 2010, 0:15 GMT

    As a cricket lover, this has been a pretty absorbing series so far,the give and take and drama is something that the short versions cant produce. As a proud Australian supporter , it to be honest does hurt to see the team not doing as well as it could. I am not a fickle fan though and am well aware its going to take a while (even years) to get even close where we were . In the 50's England ruled the roost , in the 80's it was the Windies , yet both were followed by a period of decline.Thats the nature of sport.

    All you can ask is for the team to perform to best of their ability.I could bet my bottom dollar that not one guy who pulls on a baggy green isn't giving his 1000%.Its just a matter of taking time to get the right personal in place.there no instant solution either.sacking the whole current team isn't going to win you test matches either, though careful thought and some hard decisions need to be made.

  • POSTED BY ygkd on | December 4, 2010, 23:39 GMT

    It is not the new bowlers fault entirely. The horse bolted in the Ist Test. It is too late to shut the stable door now. And those out in the field trying to catch the horse are always in the wrong position, because the Captain is forever sending someone to where the horse has been instead of channelling the horse into the right position for an effective capture. The horses hardly ever go down the straightish drive (perhaps 5 out of 125 times), yet there are one or two wasted men, forever trying to cut it off on that long unused drive. So it bolts through a vacant slips and gully instead, or saunters for a single square, and everything gets more and more defensive. Personally, if the Australian team was a racehorse, you'd retire it before you lost any more dough on it.

  • POSTED BY kcricinfo on | December 4, 2010, 23:23 GMT

    As disappointing as it is to see the state of the Aussie cricket team I think that one fact is being overlooked: England have a far better team than Australia at the moment. I love the Aussies but we are being outclassed at the moment. On paper it looks close but on form I think that Shane Watson would be the only Aussie to make the England team (in place of Collingwood). I didn't have a problem with the Doherty experiment but he has been found out, get him out and Hauritz back in or give O'Keefe a go. I don't mind a bit of experimentation to unearth our best spin option. Our pace bowling attack is a worry at the moment, Hilfy should be the first man picked, he always looks likely to take a wicket. Bollinger, Harris, Copeland and Cameron give us 'satisfactory' back up options. Starc needs more experience in the one day setup and looks a prospect. Things aren't so bad, it is during the worst times that you see true character. It won't be long before the cream rises to the top.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 22:54 GMT

    Biixx, it's not so much as going for the throat as realising that there's something fundamentally wrong with Australian cricket at the moment. Look at the microcosm of the Hayden - Langer partnership! On the surface, the most prolific opening pair in the history of the game, yet damaging Australia in the long run. The decade (or just shy of) they held down the opening berths meant that other Australian openers had to specialise in one-day or 20-20 if they wanted an outside chance of playing for their country. Now that they have retired, Australia have had to resort to Katich and Watson, neither of whom are genuine opening batsmen as the other Aussie openers mostly are short-game specialists. Same-ish with the middle order and the bowling. Ponting, Clarke and Hussey have monopolised nos 3-5 for the last half-decade and before them, change wasn't exactly common. A side too settled does stagnate with no competition for places! There are no openings for new men until they're too old!

  • POSTED BY handyandy on | December 4, 2010, 22:40 GMT

    It is hard to imagine what Australia can do from here.

    For what its worth I would drop Clarke and North and bring in Cameron White and Phil Hughes. White in particular is beginning to look more and more like future captaincy material to me.

    Go with a four prong pop gun attack in Perth?

    Perhaps Tait could be lulled out of retirement.

  • POSTED BY DamieninFrance on | December 4, 2010, 22:37 GMT

    There's no point trying to make wholesale changes to the Aus squad, mid-series. Change a face or two from test to test, sure. But finish the series first. Let the players and selectors go through with their plan for the series, and once it's over, take the French revolution approach and storm the castle.

    The selectors seem happy to change the attack on a whim. However, when there aren't enough runs to defend, and inexperienced bowlers are given defensive fields in which to work, is it any wonder that they're being put through a meat-grinder? The batsmen need to be more accountable, and should have been turned over. With players like Hughes, Khawaja, White and Voges scoring runs and waiting in the wings, it's time to call in the tab of the experienced non-performers... Give them their last moment in the sun. If the urn heads back to England, those in the sunburnt country will be listening carefully for Hilditch to say 'Let them eat cake'!

  • POSTED BY MinusZero on | December 4, 2010, 22:19 GMT

    I hate how people say don't drop Clarke because of what he has done in the past. That means nothing, that was then, this is now. Now is the time that they need the in form players, not players picked because of the sentimentality of the past performances.

  • POSTED BY SDHM on | December 4, 2010, 20:56 GMT

    The next three days decide the series for me; if Australia fight to the last, even if they lose, they're still very much in it. If they go under and go under badly, I feel heads will drop and maybe a hint of panic will come into the selection process (if it hasn't already). Being an Englishman myself, I can't escape the feeling we'll stuff it up somehow...

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 20:39 GMT

    dump Clarke, North, Doherty and Ponting!!....get some fresh legs and ideals out onto the paddock.. thats half your problem solved already.

  • POSTED BY manan4cric on | December 4, 2010, 20:38 GMT

    So, I think everybody's mind is clear of the fact that current ranking system is perfect and that sums up that India is rightly there at the NO. 1 Position. No arguments about that. Mr. Ian Chapel, Shall we able to get a article that says Ranking is perfect and Aus is perfectly placed at NO. 5 position...? Come on guys, accept the facts....

  • POSTED BY manasvi_lingam on | December 4, 2010, 20:13 GMT

    The openers have been doing a good job, Katich and Watson do provide good starts. It's up to Ponting and Clarke to capitalise on them. Get D. Hussey in for North and Khawaja in for Clarke. And where are the likes of Copeland and Mark Cameron, both of whom have excellent averages and strike rates? There are still a lot of good players who are not being given the chances: S. Clark, N. Bracken, O'Keefe, Hazlewood, Hodge, D. Hussey, Khawaja, P. Hughes, S. Smith, D. Christian, M. Cameron and T. Copeland.

  • POSTED BY Romansoul23 on | December 4, 2010, 19:54 GMT

    Great article Mr. English (not because English team is grinding Aussies). I just want to reproduce the comments made by Great Shane Warne prior to the start of the Ashes regarding the selection of Xavier Doherty ahead of Nathan Hauritz. He said if Doherty fails then the selectors would again be turning to Hauritz. What I remember, most aussie cricket lovers criticized him over his comments, might be due to personal liking or disliking. Now, the time has proved. We are talking to bring back Hauritz and even Lee and Clarke (don't forget, it was said they are over now). It is rightly said "Their is no substitute to solid experience."

  • POSTED BY Marcio on | December 4, 2010, 19:02 GMT

    I have never read so much premature tosh in my life. People are writing off Australia and they haven't even lost a game yet. Everything has gone England's way in the last two innings, but that won't last forever. These have been the two flattest tracks in ashes history, and a sensational first two overs of this match (including a runout) has completely obscured that fact. Despite the inevitable loss of this game, Australia will bounce back, and way sooner than you think - I predict a lot of runs for Australia in the 2nd innings here (before losing by 6 wickets or so), and a victory in the next test. I also predict a drawn series - 2-2.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 18:34 GMT

    After years of watching Australia crush all before them while blowing bubbles with their bubble gum I am particularly enjoying the poms giving them the run around. Ponting is clueless and the bowlers.....um what bowlers.!

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 18:22 GMT

    Xavier Doherty has to be one of the worst players ever to represent Australia. He can't bowl, can't bat and can't field (to coin a phrase). His selection just sums up what a mess Australia are in at the minute. Nathan Hauritz is certainly an average Test cricketer but what's the point in dropping players if you replace them with players with less skill and less experience. Harris has bowled well but looks like he is going to break down at any minute. As for poor old Doug....he looks so average against our batsman. Who can replace North? Katich? Clarke? Doherty? Ponting? Yes, Australia will be looking for a new Captain soon.....maybe at the end of this series? Dark times for Australian Cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 18:00 GMT

    Endland really outclassing aussies in style. Its not the number of runs england has made, its about lack of self confidence aussies are showing with poor body language and drooped shoulders...

    more one sided affair seems to be awaited, and aussies will miss clark and lee. I think england will declare at some 600 and have a go at aus in last half hour and 2 days after that.

  • POSTED BY Biixx on | December 4, 2010, 17:47 GMT

    No surprise everyone has gone for the throat of Aus. Fair enough we make slip ups after a decade of domination. I'd like to see any other nation try that one.

    Anyway, wait till the Ashes is over before calling us defeated. It's the 2nd test, end of Day 2. Not even close to halfway, and as many here already know, cricket can swing the minute you think your on top.

    Me, I would like to see O'Keefe in for X, Usman in for North and Hilfy back in. Clarke stays unless injured.

    Its funny how people called for the throats of BOTH clarke and hilfy. I seem to remember last Ashes they were BOTH our best players - refusing to give in to an English onslaught. Shows how fickle good performances are in the eyes of Aussies. I remember how people were calling for the head of Hus only 2 weeks ago, and now praise him of old.

    Ridiculous. (I only called for dropping North, because I have never been a fan of his batting he never bats in pressure situations). And I wanted O'Keefe rather thanX

  • POSTED BY srivatsan on | December 4, 2010, 17:36 GMT

    Peter, good article. It's harsh to blame Harris. If your fielders cannot take regulation catches bowler can do only that much, and how many times has the recent Aussie pack hit the stumps when it mattered. If you give guys like Trott chances they are going to inflict more pain. Thank God Johnson was not playing England would be 400/0. The point is Australia are going to lose and pretty badly even if they stay with the current oldies (Clarke, North have proved nothing over the last 4-5 months). It's time to think of seriously scraping most of this dead meat and introducing fresh faces. It's not that alone, the new team won't win over night, It needs lots of inputs and peptalks from likes of Mcgrath, Warne and Cooley. If they can follow this may be in 3-5 years they may have a decent test side.

  • POSTED BY tough_cool on | December 4, 2010, 17:34 GMT

    Not that I do not know about Oz's bowling resources but cannot fathom why when you have Brett Lee, Nathan Braken and Stuart clark languishing in the country side but still are trying to find new bowling resources, remember in the days of yore of the Oz they still had at most 2-3 match winners with the ball. I think players when they become legends like Glenn Mcgrath they become unquestionable and the mortals like lee, bracken, and clark must average below 20 in every series they play or they are doomed. Now when one is not allowed to play how can he become a legend. The reason as it looks is, unlike his predecessors like steve waugh who went always by merit alone, punter -- or may be selectors, have their own personal preferences for arguably their own personal reasons. And also given that Oz are not allowed to sledge anymore so it makes the task doubly difficult. It is time this punter's wings are cut or quite imminently punter is going to take down the Oz cricket along with him.

  • POSTED BY jupiterlaw on | December 4, 2010, 17:12 GMT

    SURESH it may come as a surprise to you but West Indies were beating Australia in Australia long before India learnt how. Sri Lanka are doing it now and before you know it Bangladesh would be beating them at home. They are evidently a team in decline having lost many great players recently.

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 4, 2010, 16:57 GMT

    Ricky and Greg went up the hill to fetch a urn of ashes Ricky fell down and broke his crown And Greg came tumbling after.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 16:54 GMT

    At this point, the Australian selectors ought to realise that draconian measures might be neccessary if Ponting's men lose this test as the present side can only get worse. With that in mind, they should look to the future of Australian cricket and find inspiration from the days when Allan Border was given the captaincy. Hence, if they lose this test, Mike Hussey - the most Border-like - should be given the captaincy with Shane Watson as his deputy. The rest should go and Australia look to younger men such as Warner and George. Only this way can the Australian decline be arrested. But it does require sacking Pontind and Clarke, same as Kim Hughes lost his job, for the good of Australian cricket.

  • POSTED BY vinodkd99 on | December 4, 2010, 16:21 GMT

    Well it is a fact that Aussies are not a team that was once. It can simply be compared to the West Indies team of late 80s that declined on a massive scale. However the point that remains to be seen in future whether Aussies can arrest this slide further on or not. Anyways, at the same time Aussie Selectors are not doing any great service to their team. Marcus North should be dropped in favour of Cameron White. At the same time Xavier Doherty by the end of today's play has a better average than that of Bradman (although in negative manner). They could have persisted with Nathan Hauritz who is a shade better as comapred to him.

  • POSTED BY Aussasinator on | December 4, 2010, 16:17 GMT

    Good article. The same story written differently and analytically.

  • POSTED BY sabee66 on | December 4, 2010, 15:58 GMT

    aussies will come back in the game and will win the ashes too, guys stop critisizing the team and support them they do need some one like amir, asif, or gul of pakistan

  • POSTED BY John-Price on | December 4, 2010, 15:28 GMT

    Given all the speculation about Aussie selection, can a humble Brit ask a question - why has David Hussey never had a single test appearance? His first class record is brilliant - better than his brother and much better than North. He knows the English game inside out and would be a formidable opponent - yet he is hardly ever mentioned.

  • POSTED BY usmanrahim on | December 4, 2010, 15:26 GMT

    I never believed axing Jhonson will help and dropping Ben was crazy. The best thing they should do is to try to clear their mind first individually and then try to bowl on good length at off stump and just keep a normal field. Make the bowl rough from one side by bowling cross seam and try to get some reverse swing out of peter siddle....And for God Sake please ask Dohetry to bowl slower in the air and with some flight...Even if he is driven...try to save this test and the only way is to take wickets...Once they take wickets confidence will bounce back...Ponting Hussey and Clark are great players they can save a match...

  • POSTED BY RohanMarkJay on | December 4, 2010, 14:56 GMT

    I must say I am thoroughly enjoying the pasting aussies are getting. These are rare good days if your a England cricket team supporter that is. Seems like a dream, don't know how long this will last for but we should all enjoy this to the full while it lasts. (Except the aussie supporters of course which seems considerable on cricinfo)

  • POSTED BY landl47 on | December 4, 2010, 14:28 GMT

    It says something when the Australian fans admit their best chance is rain. This is a poor Australian side, poorly led and without any plan. It's also quite an old side- an average of 2 years older than England. By picking Harris instead of Hilf (not in iteself a bad move) the Aussie side got older- Harris is 31 to Hilf's 26. The selectors need to go back to the drawing board; only keep Ponting if he will agree to play as a batsman (he won't, is my guess) and bring in new blood. They'll get their hats handed to them at first, but in a few years they will be a good team. Smith, O'Keefe and Copeland would be a good start. Keep Siddle and bring back Hilf. Give White the captaincy. Bring in Hughes. Drop Katich and Hussey (even after what he's done- he's 35), bring in Khawaja. Keep Clarke, he'll come good. Bring in Paine for Haddin. Now the side is Watson, Hughes, Clarke, Khawaja, White, Smith, Paine, O'Keefe, Hilfenhaus, Siddle, Copeland. All under 30. The Aussies must change direction.

  • POSTED BY Winsome on | December 4, 2010, 14:25 GMT

    Well quite, it's not that unfarmiliar. India have run rings around far better Australian attacks than this.

  • POSTED BY imja on | December 4, 2010, 13:47 GMT

    This bowling attack looks even weaker then Bangladesh

  • POSTED BY desibabu90 on | December 4, 2010, 13:39 GMT

    you gotta give it up for the subcontinent bowlers now...its so hard to take wickets on flat pitches and we have been doing that regularly...maybe more ppl need to start practicing in india if all the pitches in the world are gonna be flatbeds.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 13:35 GMT

    @Popcorn It may sound harsh but Ponting is acting like a mad professor. How else can you explain the defensive field placings when your strike bowler, Bollinger is bowling. England is gonna grind the Aussie attack all of tomorrow and declare, with a lead of 300-400 and put the Aussies in. Time for a serious reality check!

  • POSTED BY KingofRedLions on | December 4, 2010, 13:02 GMT

    And I'm sure you're walking around with a massive smile on your face at the moment, Peter.

  • POSTED BY Prats6 on | December 4, 2010, 12:59 GMT

    Hey once in a while everyone's allowed a bad game or two right ? We Indians will get after Punter for no apparent rhyme or reason, does not mean its true.

    Yes Poms have pretty much everything going their way but I did not see Punter taking a back step like our MSD would have done. He is still fighting. Way to go, I say.

  • POSTED BY Deepkar on | December 4, 2010, 12:49 GMT

    No.3,4 & 6 r flop, it is not mistake aus bowlers but there batsmans. Dead pitch but they managed to get out for 245 it was about playing out 1 hour but when no. 3,4 r low on confidance worst thing can happne is getting relible opener run out. Why not open with huges & katich play watson at 6 & bann north from touching bat. Also seprate 2 out of form batsmans by putting hussy at no. 4 clark have better record at no. 5 & hussy at no. 4. Imagin in form hussy came at 2 for 0 & clark at 3 for 100 with less pressure. & why doherty? I dont know any team with left arm spiner as there lead spinar as this verity is mostly to control run rate doharty failed to do that also. Bring in huritz or smith at least he can bat & not worst than doharty if not better. Again i think aus bowlers not bowled that bad there batsman should have batted atleast 2 days on this pitch. (Wish warny & mcgra can come back)

  • POSTED BY amitkumaronnet on | December 4, 2010, 12:37 GMT

    I don't know why commentators have not pointed this out bur after McGrath retirements I have seen Ponting using his fast bowlers most recklessly. McGrath would never bowl a spell of more than 5 overs, but Brett Lee, Siddle, Hilfi, Johnson were in matches were made to bowl tirelessly and longer spell and so the injuries and loss of form. Lately, Ponting has learnt but it is an art to preserve your best bowler, even India does it so does SL. Ponting's captaincy has to be called a root cause of current bowling problems. Inconsistent captain with no patience with bowlers. Even selectors are to be blamed, but Ponting has to take some blame for frequent injuries to his bowlers.

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 4, 2010, 12:30 GMT

    One more thing that i wanted to point out is, it's India who showed to the cricketing world that Ausies can be beaten and that too in Australia. Many have learnt that trick and using it effectively. The trick was just to keep ignoring all those lousy sledgings that were being thrown both on-field and off-field. Mind Games...ha ha ha...now Ausies are the victims of their own trick...mind games...now they dont have the mind to think what's hit them for the past 1+ years...slipped from No1 to 5 in ICC test ranking in just few months...that's a mind blowing slip "Down Under"

  • POSTED BY Aussie_Mike on | December 4, 2010, 12:21 GMT

    Ricky is continuing from where he left in India. Have fielders close to the bat and at the boundary, waiting for the English Bastsmen to lob catches which anyways our fielders are not able to hold-on to.

  • POSTED BY Vasi-Koosi on | December 4, 2010, 12:20 GMT

    Ponting needs to get back to the basics in everything including captaincy. He has a set of new wards in every department. The bowling department is without a real leader. Innovation is not the right time. He needs to sit with Allen Border for 2-3 days and learn how he built a team which won Australia their First World Cup in India. The problem Australia has is Ponting is arrogant and thinks he can muscle his way out of this... Hauritz sitting out of Adelaide has to be other than cricket. Ponting does not have a choice, he needs to patch up with Hauritz... Hauritz just had one bad series in India, comonnn, even Warnie did not have a good series in India; In fact his best in India has been after retirement with the Rajasthan Royals...

  • POSTED BY LittleFinger on | December 4, 2010, 12:19 GMT

    Schadenfreude. Sweet feeling for the rest of the world on whose throat these Aussie thugs have had their boot for a good part of the last couple of decades. I am no sadist, but I have to say I am thoroughly enjoying this pasting that Oz is getting. They thoroughly deserve it. Keep it up, poms!

  • POSTED BY kinkycad on | December 4, 2010, 12:16 GMT

    Aus need to gamble: resources are thin ( Clarke is not fit): I suggest Watson Hughes Katich ( to play similar role to Dravid does for India to hide an ageing master batsman, in this case Ponting from the new ball) Ponting Hussey North( his bowling vital to side's balance) or maybe White Haddin Johnson Hauritz Tait (can take wickets but can't bowl many overs thus North containment overs is needed) Last bowling spot unclear, Siddle, Hilfenhaus or Harris all similar ability so depends on type of pitch

    what does anyone else think of my team?

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 12:16 GMT

    2010's OZ r travelling in d same path as 90's-2000's WI.......... especially with clark as future captain .........

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 12:07 GMT

    In y earlier comments I expressed the view that Ricky has been made to look a great captain more by their bowling greats Like Glen, Shane, Brett, Jason, Damien to name few. With the current crop no where near to the yesteryears crop the harvest is very very poor which is exposing Ricky. The way he handled Nathan on the last day of Bangalore test is a testimony to the fact that unlike Dhoni Ricky is unable to manufacture dismissals. He is waiting for things to happen. And when I see Aussie Batsman playing I see most of themin a state of hurry and there is none in their ranks to grant serenity to the batting ala Rahul or Jonnathan, Kallis, Misbah, Mahela . Hmm a food for thought for Aussie selectors!

  • POSTED BY suresh_sksj on | December 4, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    Ausies have got everything wrong for the past 1+ yrs, they have been keeping quite and relaxing all these yrs while they were the # 1 , they never bothered to make good bench strength, many of the guys who could have repalced Glen, Lee, Gilly, Hydo etc left for IPL and concentrating on playing 20-20 in both domestic and international (remember Test cricket is TEST Cricket and that too ASHES is the most important of them all) So playing test cricket is a different ball game....and that does not come while playing 20-20 and B&H Sheild games, so Ausies were not producing quality cricketers who can really mould into the shoes of those greats who have left the game in the past 2 years or so, guess Ponting should have quit Test Cricket along with those greats & keep playing IPL/2020 like Warnie, Hydo, Roy, Glen, Lee, Gilly, should have rtd when going was good & make $$ in IPL, now the only ??? is if kicked out by ACB, will not get that great sendoffs that Steve Waugh, Glen, Mark Taylor got.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    While Aussies banked on past glory and hoped for opposition to fail, Englishmen were more determined and dedicated to do well and retain Ashes!

  • POSTED BY backyardchamp on | December 4, 2010, 11:42 GMT

    Wonderfully written!!!!

  • POSTED BY funnykid on | December 4, 2010, 11:34 GMT

    After watching the last two England innings; Pakistan attack of Muhammad Asif, Muhammad Aamir, Umer Gul and Saeed Ajmal performed much better than the current Aussie attack.

  • POSTED BY LALITHKURUWITA on | December 4, 2010, 11:26 GMT

    Before Ashes begin Ponting said Poms batting is vulnerable.He has been very well replied by Poms. Do not criticise the opposition. Ponting and CA have no answers. I remember not that long ago, Aussiis media/commentators said that Aussies 2nd or 3rd eleven teams can beat other test playing countries. This is pure arrogance.

  • POSTED BY Yotta on | December 4, 2010, 11:20 GMT

    While the bowling isn't setting the world alight, I feel the point to be taken here is that after winning the toss at Adelaide, the bowlers shouldn't have been on the field until after lunch on day two and then only to have a bat. The batting imploded in spectacular fashion and Australia were behind the mark right from the start. From this position I can't see England batting again once this innings is over, so I'll be praying for another high scoring draw. Hopefully we won't collapse like that again, so fingers crossed we'll get two solid days of batting practise; Katich can score the runs he was meant to get in the first innings, Ponting can give a masterclass, Clarke can show he is able to make pressured runs, North can make some runs to get some touch and justify his position. There is plenty to prove if we can get out of this and could set up the series for a terrific finish. Failing that a week of rain over Adelaide would be nice about now...

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 11:14 GMT

    Doherty doesn't average over 45 in Shield cricket over 9 yrs without good reason. He can't bowl!!! So of course we pick him as Australia's leading spinner and would be strike weapon in the most passionately fought and highly regarded cricket contest known to mankind. That is bloody brilliant work Australia, bloody brilliant!!! Why can't our bowlers swing or spin the ball? Never mind about the batsmen, we know they can't bat against a moving ball, but why can't we 'wobble' or alter the path of the cricket ball? Of course the Poms had the Duke ball and Troy Cooley. Now we have Cooley and the Kookaburra. Poms are bending the Kooky like a banana. We are sending it down like its out of a bowling machine. Ability of personnel maybe? We haven't spiralled backwards to number 5 in the world for no good reason, the masterminds of Australian cricket - the selectors, coach, captain overrated players and support crew deserve credit for this. Well done, you've all had a shocker.

  • POSTED BY gnat9 on | December 4, 2010, 11:05 GMT

    Australia's biggest problems can be summed up in two words - Clarke and Katich! It beggars belief that these two are still in the team, and that too at the top of the lineup! Almost every other team would have dropped them long ago. The Aussies only have to look at England's top order to see how three in-form batsmen at the top can have the opposition on the mat! This test is most probably going England's way-the Aussies can, at best, hope for a draw. Clarke and Katich should be replaced, possibly by Cameron White and David Hussey, if the Aussies are to make any headway in the remaining three tests.

  • POSTED BY skier on | December 4, 2010, 11:05 GMT

    Time for both Ponting and Clarke to go. Ponting is a step too slow at all aspects of the game and Clarke is so out of form he does not deserve a place. Axe Doherty and bring in a spinner whom is prepared to give the ball some air and make the batsmen play forward and shots. Who will captain the team? Almost anyone can do better than Ponting currently.

  • POSTED BY boooonnie on | December 4, 2010, 11:04 GMT

    England better win this one. They have been so dominate that they need some thing to show for it. If they dont things could change very very dramatically. It doesnt seem like it now but England may well be the boxer that spent a lot of energy punching up their helpless opponent only to see at end of the two rounds their foe still standind there. There is a lot of talent in the Aust team and this is a long test series.

  • POSTED BY be_like_mike on | December 4, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    The selectors are either spineless or stupid or both...irrespective of what happens in this series its definitely time for an overhaul and there has to be new blood.I see no point of hangin onto some of the players jus cause theyre a lil experienced when there are so many other guys on the domestic circuit who can contribute a whole lot more.My Australian team once the ASHES is done shouldl consist of: 1.Shane Watson 2.Phillip Hughes 3.Usman Khawaja 4.Michael Clarke 5.Callum Ferguson 6.Brad Haddin 7.Steven smith 8.Steve O'keefe 9.Ryan Harris 10.Trent Copeland 11.Doug Bollinger...I wouldve retained hussey and ponting but im pretty sure it would be best that ponting and hussey retire once this series is done to give australia the chance to create some great players....North shouldve been dropped months ago and shouldnt be in the team...Haddin I guess has a few good more years though i do like both Tim Paine and Mathew Wade.....The spinners position belongs to Okeef and he can bat.

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | December 4, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    Peter English sings "God save the Queen" better than "Under the Southern Cross". Sick of his pessimism. To call one of the greatest Australian Captains - the most winningest captain, Ricky Ponting, a mad professor, is the limit of my tolerance. Get off these pages, Pommie.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    People are thinking that days of mighty Australian Cricket Team have passed away but i knew the team from my very early days. No team in world can challenge the mighty Australian, As this Australian team is new born baby to cricketing world, after the retirement of legendary figure of Gilli, Slater, Langer, Warne, Hayden, Pigeon, many others in very short time. this team needs a motivation appraisal. The mighty Australian cricket will be back. Punter needs to motivate this Team

  • POSTED BY Bigbanger666 on | December 4, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    Given the disgraceful catching maybe some of the coaching panel should be under the pump. You can still be out of form with bat and ball but there is absolutely no excuses for not being able to catch!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY Bigbanger666 on | December 4, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    Only two words...please rain!!!!1

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    Ricky ponting has always had the option of an supreme fast bowler able to make his own field plans and to get the best opposition batsman out,but now the new comers aren't that good and are not able to read the batsmen mind and out think them.

    Also that ponting has sacked his set of bowlers who played in the first test and didnt even pick hauritz for the first test,it is imperative for the captain to believe in his bowlers and provide them enough time...

    Ponting's Ego does n't allow him to grind the opposition out because for most of his playing days he has seen opposition batsmen being rattled by his bowlers...

    Learn some thing from ganguly,he made a team of champions from nothing but raw talent....

    Ponting is going to suffer more if he does not respect the opposition team,s strength and refuses to believe that his bowlers arent the best in the world when they are used as an attacking option.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:04 GMT

    I feel for the Oz legends, who must be most embarrassed by this bowling performance. Cant help but be reminded of the West Indies demise during the late 80s. From a neutral point of view, there are more players in the English side that I would pay to watch than in the Australian. Now that has happened for the 1st time in my 30 odd years of watching cricket.

  • POSTED BY Ozcricketwriter on | December 4, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    Don't play a spinner in Perth and have a shoot-out for the 4th test. Pretty simple there. Hauritz isn't exactly in good form and Doherty can't help it if players keep dropping catches off him either.

  • POSTED BY nawazkhan1 on | December 4, 2010, 9:46 GMT

    2 easy chances missed by Mike Hussey & Brad Haddin will make them burn their skin for longer time in this heat

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    When Aussies picked up Johnson at first place, they knew he was out of form. and he shud have be maintained for atleast 2 Test. Otherwise he should not have been picked at all. The match at Gabba was dominated by the Bat, and its not fair to criticize the bowler for that. I feel its to harsh...If someone shud have been dropped, it shud have been Doherty.. someone with more experience would have been handy at Adelaide.. and now in 2nd test, the story is still the same.. they are going to drop harris now?

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  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 9:44 GMT

    When Aussies picked up Johnson at first place, they knew he was out of form. and he shud have be maintained for atleast 2 Test. Otherwise he should not have been picked at all. The match at Gabba was dominated by the Bat, and its not fair to criticize the bowler for that. I feel its to harsh...If someone shud have been dropped, it shud have been Doherty.. someone with more experience would have been handy at Adelaide.. and now in 2nd test, the story is still the same.. they are going to drop harris now?

  • POSTED BY nawazkhan1 on | December 4, 2010, 9:46 GMT

    2 easy chances missed by Mike Hussey & Brad Haddin will make them burn their skin for longer time in this heat

  • POSTED BY Ozcricketwriter on | December 4, 2010, 9:49 GMT

    Don't play a spinner in Perth and have a shoot-out for the 4th test. Pretty simple there. Hauritz isn't exactly in good form and Doherty can't help it if players keep dropping catches off him either.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:04 GMT

    I feel for the Oz legends, who must be most embarrassed by this bowling performance. Cant help but be reminded of the West Indies demise during the late 80s. From a neutral point of view, there are more players in the English side that I would pay to watch than in the Australian. Now that has happened for the 1st time in my 30 odd years of watching cricket.

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:12 GMT

    Ricky ponting has always had the option of an supreme fast bowler able to make his own field plans and to get the best opposition batsman out,but now the new comers aren't that good and are not able to read the batsmen mind and out think them.

    Also that ponting has sacked his set of bowlers who played in the first test and didnt even pick hauritz for the first test,it is imperative for the captain to believe in his bowlers and provide them enough time...

    Ponting's Ego does n't allow him to grind the opposition out because for most of his playing days he has seen opposition batsmen being rattled by his bowlers...

    Learn some thing from ganguly,he made a team of champions from nothing but raw talent....

    Ponting is going to suffer more if he does not respect the opposition team,s strength and refuses to believe that his bowlers arent the best in the world when they are used as an attacking option.

  • POSTED BY Bigbanger666 on | December 4, 2010, 10:26 GMT

    Only two words...please rain!!!!1

  • POSTED BY Bigbanger666 on | December 4, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    Given the disgraceful catching maybe some of the coaching panel should be under the pump. You can still be out of form with bat and ball but there is absolutely no excuses for not being able to catch!!!!!!!!

  • POSTED BY on | December 4, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    People are thinking that days of mighty Australian Cricket Team have passed away but i knew the team from my very early days. No team in world can challenge the mighty Australian, As this Australian team is new born baby to cricketing world, after the retirement of legendary figure of Gilli, Slater, Langer, Warne, Hayden, Pigeon, many others in very short time. this team needs a motivation appraisal. The mighty Australian cricket will be back. Punter needs to motivate this Team

  • POSTED BY popcorn on | December 4, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    Peter English sings "God save the Queen" better than "Under the Southern Cross". Sick of his pessimism. To call one of the greatest Australian Captains - the most winningest captain, Ricky Ponting, a mad professor, is the limit of my tolerance. Get off these pages, Pommie.

  • POSTED BY be_like_mike on | December 4, 2010, 10:56 GMT

    The selectors are either spineless or stupid or both...irrespective of what happens in this series its definitely time for an overhaul and there has to be new blood.I see no point of hangin onto some of the players jus cause theyre a lil experienced when there are so many other guys on the domestic circuit who can contribute a whole lot more.My Australian team once the ASHES is done shouldl consist of: 1.Shane Watson 2.Phillip Hughes 3.Usman Khawaja 4.Michael Clarke 5.Callum Ferguson 6.Brad Haddin 7.Steven smith 8.Steve O'keefe 9.Ryan Harris 10.Trent Copeland 11.Doug Bollinger...I wouldve retained hussey and ponting but im pretty sure it would be best that ponting and hussey retire once this series is done to give australia the chance to create some great players....North shouldve been dropped months ago and shouldnt be in the team...Haddin I guess has a few good more years though i do like both Tim Paine and Mathew Wade.....The spinners position belongs to Okeef and he can bat.