ICC World Twenty20 2010

Send Indian team to NCA - Gavaskar

Cricinfo staff

May 14, 2010

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Sunil Gavaskar at a function celebrating the silver jubilee of the 1983 World Cup win, Bangalore, June 3, 2008
Sunil Gavaskar is not blaming the IPL or the parties for India's debacle © AFP

Sunil Gavaskar has come down hard on India's shortcomings against the short ball during the World Twenty20 in the West Indies, suggesting they train at the National Cricket Academy in Bangalore to rectify their difficulties. For the second time in succession, India bowed out of a World Twenty20 without registering a win in a single Super Eights game, making it six such losses in a row since England last year.

India won both their group games but lost to Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka in the second stage. Besides their difficulties in tackling bouncers - a weakness exploited by their opponents - India were ordinary in terms of their fielding and running between the wickets.

"The guys who have been found to be uncomfortable against the short ball should be sent to the NCA, where they will be able to practice against the short ball, either through a bowling machine or maybe with some of the younger bowlers bowling to them from say 18 to 16 yards," Gavaskar told the news channel CNN-IBN. "They are under contract with the BCCI so nobody can actually claim that they need a break they don't need a break if they haven't performed, they need to go to the NCA and hone their skills against the short ball."

Several other former India players criticized the team's performance, saying it was not adequately prepared to succeed in a tournament where the quality of cricket was considerably higher than the IPL. MS Dhoni, the captain, said the constant traveling associated with the IPL and it's after parties took a toll on the body.

There was just a five-day gap between the IPL final and the start of the World Twenty20, giving the players barely enough rest, but Gavaskar, a member of the IPL's governing council, didn't blame the IPL for India's performance.

"If that was the case then Sri Lanka would not have been in the semi-final, or England and Australia. A lot of Australian players were in the IPL so I don't think that is an issue at all," he said. "It's just the fact that T20 is a format where you have got to be good on the day and if you are not good on your day, you lose. I don't think much should be read into the fact that the players were playing IPL, if anything playing in the IPL meant that they had lot more practice than the other teams."

Former players like Madan Lal and Mohammad Azharuddin felt Dhoni was making excuses by referring to the IPL parties and Gavaskar concurred. "I don't think that is an excuse at all. I think that is a very poor excuse used by people to say that IPL parties were the reason for the team not performing here. Tell me one thing, there were no parties here were they? So how can you say that the team performed badly in the Caribbean because of parties in India?"

Continuing on the fall-out of India's exit, Gavaskar chose not to comment on coach Gary Kirsten's alleged statement that he was fitter than some of the team members, saying he would rather wait for Kirsten to communicate his thoughts officially to the BCCI. However, Gavaskar threw his weight behind Dhoni, with the Indian media speculating on his future as captain of India in the limited-overs formats.

"MS Dhoni has done the best that he could. I still think he is the best bet as far as captaining the country is concerned. He has not quite had the luck he had when he had started with the India captaincy."

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Posted by mxnmxn on (May 18, 2010, 2:59 GMT)

Indian team is highly overrated ... only in India. Yes, we cherish heroes, dramas and wins. So be it!

BTW, the players are exhibiting their fighting spirit at wrong places.

Posted by   on (May 17, 2010, 23:32 GMT)

good god, teams will lose sometimes. no need for such harsh criticism as if they did something criminal.

Posted by Judgement on (May 17, 2010, 17:13 GMT)

Indian Cricketers need to fix their fundamentals, specially high rising balls. But BCCI need major changes too. BCCI earned 1 billion dollars fro IPL, and is ready to sacrifice Indian cricketers to please IPL owners. IPL owners want to promote their products like alcohol, airlines for free, and hence need the IPL parties. People like Mehr Rampal supply alcohol and women, to cricketers, for 6 weeks, during IPL late night parties! Do you expect the players to stop alcohol, and be ready for the World Cup immediately after the IPL? The IPL owners, ex-players, media earn millions from IPL parties and are pro-IPL parties, but what about the poor cricketers themselves?

Posted by   on (May 17, 2010, 16:55 GMT)

there is no need to make indian pitches bouoncy.....lets not be stupid...do the other teams around the world change their pitches to turn when the loos in India....its all rubbish....go to NCA, nd if there is faclity to play in bouncy tracks then do it....the more you practice the better u play......its all in individulal hands....as SG says get them all to NAC and make them work hard....they are played to play for the Country and they are ment to represent cream of cricketers in the country..so no excuseeessssss

Posted by Freakkyyy on (May 17, 2010, 9:15 GMT)

Stop the Funds and Endorsements mainly going only for Cricket as if its the only Game played in India...Give equal importance to every game....Let the ratio of Funds given to sports by the Government shall be in equal proportion and only based on their performance as a game, it shall be increased that too marginally...Stop the publicity, it isnt a Politics or Cinema to become FAME.....It is a game which everyone knows it equally but it is being moved to negative shades (cold war among the players).....STOP IPL - We people will watch Movies / Dramas, Dance shows, Music shows, etc....for entertainment and not Cricket or any other game

Posted by Dodith on (May 17, 2010, 7:46 GMT)

The Indian team's problems are NOT just short pitched bowling. The entire system seems outdated, specially when compared to all other countries. Simplified solutions for Team India- 1. Attitude 2. Extreme fitness 3. Fielding 4. Bowling 5. Short pitched balls 6. Sporting wickets in India 7. Mental toughness and belief

Guys like Yuvraj & Harbhajan need to be dropped to be reminded of what it is to play for your country and to earn your spot. It happened to Sehwag, Ganguly, Zaheer, Raina and Rohit Sharma. Why is he any different?

Dhoni is a good captain, very capable batsman. He needs to start showing a little more emotion and care when India lose. Not just shrug it off! You've got a billion fans adoring you, show some responsibility.

I hope India learns its lesson from two straight 2nd round exits in consecutive world T20s.

Posted by   on (May 17, 2010, 7:02 GMT)

One thing I fail to understand. This applies to both India and Pakistan. Why do you think that India/Pakistan should win all the time. If one team wins, the others have to lose. Yes, India didn't win in their last three games, so what? I know Cricket is like a religion in India, but still, you have to face reality. England didn't win a single ICC Trophy, which they deservedly won this time. Instead of going for the throats of the team, think. It is only a game, where one must win or lose. After all it is CRICKET.

Posted by NRPOnline on (May 17, 2010, 3:04 GMT)

Folks, it is a nice thought that Sunny should help. But being a great player doesn't result in being a good coach. Sunny knows his strengths and limitations. Or else we would have seen Rohan Gavaskar in the team today. Other than that, a GOOD coach and a sharp tongue with lot of articulation doesn't go well together. We have seen the results of Greg Chappell. Usually low-key, humble cricketer who has done reasonably well in international cricket, can be a good coach. e.g.: John Wright, Venkatesh Prasad, Kirsten, Duncan Fletcher etc. Great players after the retirement tend to see themselves in others. examples: Chappell brothers, Sunny, Bishan Bedi, Viv Richards etc. I bet Viv Richards can't help indian team either although he has offered to help. Ideally, coaches will only point out the mistakes and it is up to the players to figure out how to fix them. A Sharp tongue and a glamor of being a great ex-cricekt spoils the party. They can't relate to those mistakes easily. makes sense?

Posted by   on (May 17, 2010, 2:57 GMT)

why can't BCCI make boncy pitche? I don't think it is impossible to make them in India. Something like the one in Mohali... Our players can get the practice. All these excuses by MS is BS

Posted by hayer on (May 16, 2010, 19:26 GMT)

Dear Kulkarni and Vipul, I really have great respect for Sir Sunil Gavaskar, he did a great job for india in tests, he faced fast bowlers without helmet. But there is difference in test and T20. You cant duck against short ball in T20, you have to play it. Our players are not use to it. they are grown-up on flat tracks. So I am not in favour of sudden panic. Critics, Media and senior players are just panicking. Give the players some room to come out of it, they are also hurt, atleast they r also human beings. Mr. Gavaskar always up to make comments on players performance, but never talked to change the system if BCCI, because he is also part of same system and he cant dare to speak anything about system, because its his source of earning as well. BCCI is forcing players to participate in IPL, but nobody is talking about that issue, they cant pull out of IPL bcoz they dont wanna mess with bosses, sehwag became the victim 2wice. Players like Gavaskar should be fearless to oppose

Posted by Icyman on (May 16, 2010, 18:05 GMT)

Why doesn't Mr Gavaskar help the team ? Surely, this legend must have faced short stuff and fended it off well. So,why can't he take a break from ESS commentary and help Team India ?

As far as the IPL is concerned. Divide the teams into 2 groups and then let them play. Less matches= less fatigue and perhaps better performance for India.

Posted by NRPOnline on (May 16, 2010, 16:04 GMT)

Get rid of that monster (Mr Modi it is) and pull the shutter down on IPL. Legitimize ICL and let only second-in-line players play those games and create threat for current squad. Whoever has signed national contract for the test, ODI and T20 should not be allowed to play those games. That way, they can no longer whine about parties, packed schedules, no rest, no vacation, no family time and all the rest of the nonsense. Players need to understand that privileges come with responsibility. If you're greedy to earn more privileges , obviously there are more responsibilities attached to it. I don't know how these players have been raised by their previous generation but I'm sure they were raised right but these guys seem to have forgotten the basics. We should have everyone's mother slap them for all the blunders they commit everyday. And if these guys consider themselves above their mother then they don't deserve a place in anybody's heart. There is no hope and no one can fix this.

Posted by NRPOnline on (May 16, 2010, 15:42 GMT)

Send all second-in-line players to T20 tournaments. They will have some motivation to do well. In fact IPL is just a legitimatized version of ICL. ICL was in no way threat to national cricket and Kapil was so right about that. His sincere efforts were thwarted by BCCI with the help of Mr Modi. And now, Mr Modi has become a monster that is out of control. Kapil actually served indian cricket sincerely and by far is the finest cricketer with utmost honesty and integrity. Who the hell is Mr Modi to serve indian cricket? Why do we need him? The guy came to India because he had a brush with the law in US while he was a student. A mere drug-addict who could no longer do anything in US. I'm appalled to see BCCI taking help of such jerks to sell cricket to fat-belied rogues like Mallya and bunch of actors who turned business-person and have nothing to do with cricket. A liquor-maker and movie actors/actresses who appear half-naked, sponsoring cricket!! Great!!! what more we can expect.

Posted by NRPOnline on (May 16, 2010, 15:32 GMT)

Any newcomer who criticizes "The Original Little Master" (Sunny it is), for his 36 runs in 60 overs is miserable. Wasn't Sunny proving his point 35+ yrs ago that "Test Cricket" is the "Real Cricket" and all the other formats are considered "Events" & not "Games"? Whenever glamor is associated with an event, the participants tend to turn the blind eye towards the basic objective it because dollars & sterling pounds have already been pocketed prior to the event. So going through the event is a mere formality. Nothing changed in 35 yrs and Sunny's "strong statement" (36 of 60 overs) still holds true. Test cricket is indeed a real cricket. Players should remember that one needs to get paid after the job is performed and not before. Isn't it the case with all of us who work in corporate world? How is it different for cricketers considering IPL is run as a corporation? Perhaps we need a bell-curve technique where the bottom 5% gets fired every quarter with "do not re-hire" check-box checked.

Posted by VipulPatki on (May 16, 2010, 13:14 GMT)

@hayer and all Gavaskar critics: I think it's become a fashion to critisize Sunil Gavaskar by harping upon his 36 runs in the inaugral WC. You have to realise that in those ODI's weren't taken seriously at all. His innings was more of a statement against the ODI's that were considered no more than a gimmick. You have to remember that in a WC match twelve years later, he did score a better-than-run-a-ball century. As Rishab Kulkarni rightly pointed out, if there is anybody who knows how to play the short ball, it's him and Indian spoilt brats better listen to him.

Posted by GautamKrishnan on (May 16, 2010, 12:54 GMT)

Hi reading the uproar over the t20 LOSS it brings to mind a few things . 1,The format of T20 does throw up surprises-every year since 2007 someone else is winning it-India,Pakistan and this year England or Australia?.Like SMG says the format of the game is such that things can change in minutes and we played badly -we were outmaneuvered esp with regard to short balls. 2.Money could be a factor as IPL pays much more-people are not that motivated to play for India.

Posted by spinkingKK on (May 16, 2010, 11:04 GMT)

At the end of the day, India played with no passion or desire to win. They are all millionares and they have reached their goal. They just didn't have the motivation to perform - except may be the young ones like Raina, Vijay and Vinay Kumar. If they need a break, why not just drop them and look for more committed players who wants to play cricket for the love of playing the game (Just like the Australians)? Don't get me wrong. Our players also loves the game. But, once they get the money, they lose the plot. Unless they get a long break and gets bored and wants to play cricket again, they are not interested. I am not saying this because India lost. It is the way they lost is what makes the worry. For instance, West Indies also lost. But, they have tried their best.

Posted by   on (May 16, 2010, 9:02 GMT)

M.Vijay is a welcome newcomer but as a opener he needs to be @ his best every time....@ robin hmmmm he is a real talent and he surely deserved a place in t20 squad.....he is fitter & stronger than most of the players who were in the squad (Rohit, yuvi, Gauti) @ Dhoni i pity him......Midas touch is missing these days :-) i wonder why he included Jadeja thats the biggest blunder he has made...... after being clobbered for sixes how can he be mentally strong to bounce back..... as Sunil gavaskar said they need to spend some time @ NCA.....lets hope Team India Bounce back at Bouncers :-)

Posted by Cricinfo_seshu on (May 16, 2010, 4:40 GMT)

I think most of the folks have forgotten about the Srilankan players Out of the playing 11 there were about 10 players part of the IPL Parties, the IPL parties did not effect them. This is has not impacted Malinga neither Jaywardene bowling or batting performance, he is the top scorers in world cup.if you observe the indian players performance, after the retirement of Anil Kumble, i see there is steady decline in the bowling performances. All the bowlers to get start their careers bowling at the pace of 140-145Kmph [Munaf and Ishant], after going to Denis lillee MRF foundation, they comeout as ordinary bowlers. This needs to have look into it. All this while Indian Cricket Team, had the luxury of Dravid,Sachin and Laxman, who were able to play in overseas conditions, thats the reason is no 1 in Test Cricket. Our players can play only in Subcontienent pitches and no where else. I like Dhoni, for his honesty, if dhoni said we were outclassed it would have helped him.

Posted by beingsharih on (May 16, 2010, 4:08 GMT)

@cricism and all others. Guys I am not at all criticising any of the past players.But you need to agree that hooking and pulling every short stuff to score runs in this format is tough. Agree that the batsmen are expected to score...We are right in criticising the team but this is being blown out of proportion. They did not go to lose there. They tried...they lost. lets move on and lets not be too harsh on them. Y u guys make them a superhero when we win and suddenly dump them so badly when we lose. Be it Gavaskar or Tendulkar or any other player, I stand by my team in all circumstances. I support Team India...whtever the situation is.You take your call. i do not have any conditions to follow in supporting my team.T20 WC 2007 was played in South Africa on pacy tracks. Didnt we win that edition? It happens. The players know their responsibilities. They are out there to win and give their best shot. U win some , u lose some. This is life....Chill!!!!

Posted by rocky0109 on (May 16, 2010, 1:46 GMT)

There is no meaning criticizing the team.Indian pitches are dumb pitches wherein there is bounce or much pace on the pitch.BCCI has to needs to wake up nw and create better pitches.It really sad dat one on the world best team has such basic loop holes in the batting technique.There is no difference between Afghanistan team who jus started playing cricket nw and Indian team where cricket exists from past many years as they both struggled with bounce.

Posted by rocky.roshan on (May 15, 2010, 23:30 GMT)

Mr Raj.. I totally aggree with you that Robi Uthappa had missed his given opportunity 2 yrs ago. But he should have been give a chance ahead of Murali Vijay & Dinesh Karthic given his recent IPL Form & internation reputation. He has good pull shots and can hook the ball better than M. Vijay. Players like Vijay are good only in sub continent/ slow pictces where ball is not bouncing enuf. He should have got chance atleast against Zimbabwe/England A. He is still young and I feel a chance has to be given to him when in form. I feel that great injustice has happened against Robin Uthappa.

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 23:21 GMT)

Mr Hayer, sunil gavaskar may have had an embarrassing game that time, but just to remind you, he made most of his career runs against a ferocious west indies lineup that ruined many a promising career. I agree with you that its annoying to see people complaining about problems that everybody knows indians have like not being able to play bouncers and stuff, but come on man.. if anybody can talk about playing bouncers its gotta be him. I also think that if the BCCI isnt ready to invest in facilities at the grassroot to properly train budding players, sending players who already have careers to NCA hoping that they would actually improve is too ambitious, come on they are set in their ways, BCCI u have made a mistake, now sort it out for the next generation.

Posted by uboza on (May 15, 2010, 19:06 GMT)

Sunny - You are absolutely right about players - they have to play with passion and perform. It was sad to see 4 to 5 runs scored in Overs 18, 19 and 20 with a lot of Batting to come. There was no fighting / Do or Die spirit. If players do not value the national Cap, let others take their place.

Is Dhoni not right when he says partying impacts fitness ? Was there not a rule in the past that a players must return to the Room by 10 PM ? Do IPL Organizers not know about / understa this ?

Why not hold BCCI accountable too ? Have they not failed to provide Bouncy pitches since the last 20 years ? Are only 5 days adequate for T20 World cup event ? Should the IPL have not ended earlier ? In the past, in you good (grand) old days, you too have said that BCCI does not plan tours well - does not give adequatre time for team / players to acclamatize.

Please spek the whole truth. Let us stare at the truth on its face - for the good of India Cricket.

Would you ?

Umesh Oza

Posted by hayer on (May 15, 2010, 18:10 GMT)

Mr. Gavaskar

Are their any training available for selectors in your NCA?

Its easy to comment on others performance, can you please comment about your great innings against England in 1975 world cup, where you carrying your bat through the full 60 overs and scored blasting 36. How easy it is to comment about players who are capable to score 36 in an over. They cant duck against short ball like you, so its batter if they tried and lost their wickets.

In England an old gentleman reminds me that innings of 36 in 60 overs and made a laugh, thanks to yuvraj singh bcoz of 6 sixes to broad, otherwise that gentleman was making fun of our players.

I am agree our players need to practice short balls, bt give thm conditions, we dnt have express bowlers in domestic level, moreover not a t international level. we dont have fast and bouncy piches. So how can we expect good performance from our players against short ball. BCCI has to provide such conditions to our players... otherwise same loop

Posted by surya777k on (May 15, 2010, 17:21 GMT)

indian selectors should have been picked players dhoni(cpt)uttappa,kohli,s.tiwary, m.pandey,suresh raina, gambhir,ashwin,ohja,praveen kumar,ishant sharma, yuvraj singh & sreeshant.....india would have won cup......westindies pitch are good for bowlers like ishant sharma & sreeshant....because they have higharm action & speed more than 140kmp...zahir,nehra,praveen bowling speed in 130kmp

Posted by prazt on (May 15, 2010, 16:34 GMT)

its not only our weakness on batting that cost us the tournament but it is also our inability to bowl fast. If we assume we are in finals tommorow against australia and we are allowed to select new 11 members for the team then i have the feeling we are going to be crushed again - Aus will make 220/230 and we will make 130/140 . I think our coach does not have any power, poor bowlers except for spinners would be the reason.

Posted by Raja22222 on (May 15, 2010, 16:33 GMT)

Stop lobbying for waste fellows like Robin uthappa. Check his average both in domestic and International level at cricinfo.com.He is not even successful once in 7 matches. Check the way he got dismissed by the International bowlers. He is an absolute waste and could not utilized his opportunities. How many of the karnatka guys cry for uthappa if he is not from Karnataka. Go by class , Technic, potential and learning attributes. Take it as granted Robin Uthappa is not gonna shine at any international level for India. What we need is technically strong cricketers who can also play big shots and score faster like Tendulkar and Shewagh .I believe M.Vijay is a bright prospect on this. Only thing is he needs international exposure by playing county games or going for a special camp to NCA as suggested by Gavaskar. Dont discourage young talents they can do wonders if coached well.Can you deny that M.Vijay lacks technique and class. Why are u blaming selectors?

Posted by Retour on (May 15, 2010, 16:08 GMT)

There is too much cricket and may be need some of the guys to rest and focus on Tests and/or ODIs more. It might not be a bad idea for Ind to field a rookie 11 for T20s like the following: Panday (RCB), Uthappa (RCB), Kohli (RCB), Raina (CSK), Tiwary (MI), Rayydu (MI) [WK], Irfan (K11), Mishra (DD), Ashwin (CSK), Trivadi (RR), Umesh (DD)

Posted by Ind_Cric_Support on (May 15, 2010, 14:33 GMT)

Part of the problem is that, our selectors don't know how to pick a team for T20 as Srikanth & Co are new to this format as well. We don't need Zak or any other pure bowler because every one is going to be hit for 8 runs an over anyway. All we need is all rounders and smart cricketers. I would pick Irfan, Virat, Robin Uthappa for T20. We all know that they are not class players like the others but will do the job in T20. They have the energy and willingness to succeed. Anyway, given that they selected the team based on their best knowledge, the players should have shown their commitment. Their body language suggested that they did not have self confidence. I am not convinced that India failed because of short pitch bowling or pacy/bouncy pitches. It maybe one of many reasons, and according to me, it is not the main reason. There was no display of fighting spirit. Players can go to NCA, but if nothing else changes, then I don't expect any improvement. Hope BCCI sees these comments & act

Posted by svshastry on (May 15, 2010, 13:42 GMT)

Better send them to the street crciket.. Not only the batters will face the chin music, hte bowlers will get a taste of sheer power...

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 13:26 GMT)

Money, mate!!!!!!!!! It's all about the money. Cricketers are too highly paid for their own good, whereas other team sports have been given a step fatherly treatment. It's time we Indians show the cricket team that we do not blindly support them as heroes. When are they really going to select players on their performance? It's a shame that being such a populous country, we cannot come up with a decent team capable of more stamina (yeah yeah yeah the games and parties of the IPL) and consistency than the poor examples that stand for the nation!

Posted by Air-India on (May 15, 2010, 13:07 GMT)

Sunil, it's obvious, they are back to the 'chin' music days, everyone is trying against all sub-continent teams and succeeding, like 'brawn' against 'brain'. So, let's innovate. You try superimposing a batsman's strike zone against any fast-bowler's pitch map, the results are astounding. My solution is COUNTERATTACK, looks foolproof on paper, needs proof in practice. Can you ask the NCA to try with my help or get Ravi Shastri to contact me. It's offered free. I have been selected for Ranji Trophy & played for Tatas & Air-India. COUNTERATTACK was developed after seeing Hawkeye's pitchmaps, works with a tennis ball. At 80, don't have the strength or batspeed, would have demonstrated personally.

Posted by Kaushik_Vishwamitra on (May 15, 2010, 12:36 GMT)

Spot on!

It was obvious that the paper tigers stumbled against bouncers twice in two separate world cups and were able to chased against slower bowlers.

We need to get Gary Kirsten out and have a decent coach who is intelligent enough to assist with planning against other teams but also come up with counter plans to deal with opposition plans.

Clearly, Indians were sitting ducks against Enland and Windies on the previous world cup and against Aussies and Windies again on this world cup.

If they are what they claimed to be i.e. World class players ....then they need to play on all type of Pitches . South Africa & Australians can do this and wont blame the pitch for their failures

Indian cricket fans need to accept that there is an issue ...they just complain about the selectors and board like the 10 year olds ...! Grow up Fans[ Selector Bashers ] and Grow up Team....Go face some fast balls

Posted by shiby on (May 15, 2010, 12:18 GMT)

Sunny! Very sorry to say that, U can go behind IPL & protect what u want. Y don't u suggest b4 the Team went to WI while we lost S8 matches in in England last year. These all comments foolish us. Select the suitable fitness players according to T-T format like Robin Uttappa. After passed and eligible to higher studies nobody been allow to sit again their student in LKG. Better to change first the Selection Board with out any Regional consideration.

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 11:50 GMT)

True that!! I totally agree with Mr.Gavaskar. One more that was lagging in India's performance was application. The way Gambhir ran between the wickets, and also the not so agressive approach in the latter half of India's innings, which led to India yielding only 70 odd runs in the second 10 overs, are just a few examples. About Dhoni's future as Indian captain, one should not judge him just because India has failed in a couple of T20's; and after all it was the same Dhoni who led Chennai to an IPL victory.

Posted by boris6491 on (May 15, 2010, 11:43 GMT)

India need to take some bold decisions by selecting players on the basis of performance rather than simply reputation. I am quite unsure as to whether Yuvraj was really unfit or whether this was simply a guise used to mask the fact that he performed poorly. I do believe that he is slightly overrated, on his day he is undoubtedly a potential match winner but these 'days' of Yuvraj are becoming scarcer as each series goes on. India's batsmen need to figure out how to adequately play short pitched bowling, they know it is their weakness yet they are not working hard enough to reduce it judging by current performances. Enough criticism has been latched onto Dhoni, I do believe he is a good captain and player although the comments he made about IPL parties and their 'toll' were a little foolish and not supported by most of the other IPL participants who have done well. It seems though that MS is surrounded by an aura of unprofessionalism. This is an attitude that needs to change in the team

Posted by kevivnajar on (May 15, 2010, 10:54 GMT)

I agree with Gavaskar's comments. Need to go back to elementary school to learn the basics.

I'm not blaming IPL, parties, rain, travel, volcano etc., I'm only blaming all the Indian T20 players to not have learnt the lesson from the previous tournament.

I'm not angry with losing. But losing to the same problem is bad.

Last recognised batsmen in crease should not give strike to tailender. Don't take chances when you have got the required runs in the over. Dont play in air, when you have lost many wickets already. When you are not comfortable with a bowler, take a single and go off strike.

Agreed. I cannot bat even like Ashish Nehra. That is the reason i'm sitting at home and not participating even in street cricket.

There are 1000's of people performing very well, they should be given chance by organising selection tournaments, as against fantasy and sensation players.

Posted by Vinit_Sharma_Singh on (May 15, 2010, 10:34 GMT)

When MS Dhoni took over the captaincy he was fortunate enough to be the luckiest person on the planet for a short period of time which made everyone give him far too much credit than he was due. Now that these flukes have deserted him he is being exposed as the overrated & substandard captain that he is- he really is the Yuvraj Singh of captaincy. Let's not forget he cost India a chance to win a test match against England by not declaring because he wanted Gambhir & Yuvraj to get centuries (which neither of them did), the shortened amount of time England had to bat allowed them to save the test. Then of course there was the genius decision at the last World Cup match to send Ravindra Jadeja in at #4 in a must win match where he duly made 20 off 30 balls to send India crashing out of the tournament. Add to that the fact he seems to bat more for his average than the team, and you have one pretty poor captain.

Posted by mubeenkemisaal on (May 15, 2010, 10:32 GMT)

LUCK..!! Sorry ..to my friends around.Your not representing Team India for lucky pick competition.You just cant depend on captaincy luck to win you matches.Its good if your lucky star favours you.Remember IPL is fun entertainment cricket you just play waiting game,while playing for nation is for nation's pride not for fun..!!You cant wait for luck to favour you or opposition to give the match away.You need to win by fighting and playing hard.All Indian players were fit when playing IPL,but when T20 world cup began every one are talking of lack of fitness,its not good sign dudes..!! Ipl,parties,fitness,bouncy balls are just not the issues the main cause being application and determination.Team India lacked in both..!!

Posted by vedanthy2 on (May 15, 2010, 10:28 GMT)

A question to Mr Gavaskar and Shastri:Are not facing up to brutal short pitched bowling and good foot work the prime agenda in training manuals at NCA.?I recommend these two gentlemen get down to hard work and show the present crop the way to handle fast bowling.And remember to carry a copy of Don's How to Play Cricket and Art of Cricket.They explain everything simply and beautifully. Teach the guys GOOD MANNERS and Behaviour too at NCA. Best Wishes

Posted by G_Arun on (May 15, 2010, 10:04 GMT)

You read the expert comments and the readers's comments and all you can say is " When will we learn and when will we change ?" We praise our guys to the sky when they win something and then abuse and curse them when they are down . Fact is that we have to learn to deal with all this with maturity . When we became No.1 in tests , how many of us were willing to stick our necks out and say " Hey , take it easy . Fact is that we have no truly world class bowler , our fielding is pathetic and we still need to win consistently abroad before we start celebrating ." How many of us were also willing to read between the lines of the IPL story and say that this is one stupendous con-job .If we had done that , our loss in the T20 would not have been such a shock . The other thing we have to face up to is that the sole responsibility for this sordid mess lies with the BCCI - a bunch of no good , money-hungry politicos with Lalit Modi representing the nadir of this august body .

Posted by sandy1586 on (May 15, 2010, 9:59 GMT)

why dhoni totally depend on Yuraj, bhaji, ??????????

Posted by vedanthy2 on (May 15, 2010, 9:56 GMT)

Mr.Gavaskar,Is that An indian being not adequate to face fast short pitched deliveries a new thing in Indian Cricket.You are joking when you say that a stint at NCA will improve these cricketers.You as Chief Technical Manager of Cricket World Wide get down to the field and teach them.As you know more than the skill the attitude is important.Attitude of present crop of cricketers is highly lackadaisical.They are more interested in Photo-ops with elite Socialites and parties and ad films.When they misbehave you stand up for them and BCCI takes the tab of penalties.When a Coach gave a report after doing his job that indiscipline is the order of the day with NO Exception you got him kicked out through press releases.Losing is a part of the game .But losing by not trying is a sin.We were once hailed -before the 80s that the Best Ambassadors in Sport and each one a Gentleman.Too frequently in the last 10 years our cricketers are behaving like street fighters.Sad indeed.

Posted by Dilseben on (May 15, 2010, 9:44 GMT)

You can never say IPL is the reason for the failure..if that was the case then other countries would have equally failed .. Jayawardene, Watson, Warner,Nannes ,Pietersen..all have performed really well in World Cup..they just doesnt know how to deal with short balls for which BCCI is equally responsible..they dont make bouncy tracks in our country,,,then how can u expect our cricketers to perform..Another vital reason for the failure was the lack of fitness & form of key players like Yuvraj,Zaheeretc..BCCI should have the guts to drop non-performing guys...Yuvraj is a class act no doubt about that but when he is not fully fit..drop him & give him time to get back into form by playing in the domestic circuit..As far as Dhoni,he is definitely one of the best captains we have had..so just because he failed now doesnt mean he is not gud enuf... after all just before World Cup he took Chennai Kings to the IPL crown...he definitely made mistakes but this defeat is due to a collective failure

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 9:36 GMT)

"MS Dhoni has done the best that he could. I still think he is the best bet as far as captaining the country is concerned. He has not quite had the luck he had when he had started with the India captaincy." this point is exactly correct one Mr. Gavaskar.

Posted by mkgarg2001 on (May 15, 2010, 9:21 GMT)

We have heard a variety of reasons for the loss of India in recent T-20 World Cup. India could have won in two matches against Australia and West Indies despite most of the batsmen not performing. Sri Lanka made 25 runs in 8 balls to beast India. Australia did an almost impossible by chasing 53 runs in last 21 balls. Similarly India was in less precarious situations against Australia and West Indies. In the match against Australia Rohit Sharma who had blasted around 16 runs in 17th over, twice took a single and gave strike to non regularised batsmen and India folded up with 14 balls to spare and Rohit being not out. Similarly Dhoni had blasted 16 runs against West Indies and yet in next over he got run out unnecessarily taking second run when Harbhajan hit the ball. Bothof them should have batted themselves and maybe right now we might have been discussing something else. This was true callousness on part of Rohit and Dhoni.

I beleive this error on part of rohit and Dhoni wa

Posted by cricinfobcci on (May 15, 2010, 9:11 GMT)

Sunil may be right. But he has to agree that IPL was scheduled poorly. Why is it that they need to organise the IPLs before the World Cups. They didn't learn from the last world cup's mistake or may be they don't care. Players are in contract with BCCI and hence they need to play with the given condition and time. The selectors and the BCCI knew that we Indians are poor in handling Short balls than why don't we practise it before the big tournament rather than blaming after losing out. We are poor in handling short ball since decades but we still don't work towards it. And regarding players fitness, I agree with Mr. Coach that there are players who need to work towards it. Remember - Cricket is not because of Players but these players are because of Cricket. Atleast they should be learing some lesson from Tendulkar on dedication, fitness towards cricket. The time has come Yuvraj needs to sit out and let other players play. He and Yusuf are becoming liabilities to the team.

Posted by Uchistha on (May 15, 2010, 9:01 GMT)

With Ashish Nehra in the world cup 11 wont help the cause .Stop riding old horses India.Dhoni once again with selection of yusuf pathan and Ravindra Jadeja showing he doesnot care about what other team mates think.Get young legs in now now is the right time if you want to prepare a good 11 for world cup.Ashish Nehra cannot dive while fielding ..cannot run between the wickets ...cannot hit a six...nor a four ...BUT he is in the 11..great he might shine for 5 games but the bottom line is OLD HORSE...who so ever says IPL had no effect ...everyone from with in their hearts know IPL was more of a cause....and most proably the stardom and the money that is being given...Do a bit of pakistan to get rid of the rust...dont be brutal but please be harsh..after seeing hussey bat yesterday at number 7 its high time BCCI start taking things seriously OTHERWISE i bet you if India doesnt perform well in WC ...no matter what DHONI will be sacked.......

Posted by saisridhar99 on (May 15, 2010, 8:45 GMT)

Gentlemen, it is the story of pot calling kettle black. Is it not the same Gavaskar, who created a record coming not out with 30+ riuns in 60 over one day match? Is it not the same Ravi Shastri, who kept on bowling the same stereo type balls to Mike Gating who swept us away from the world cup semi? ... they now have wide mouth to speak against the youngsters. The mistake is in our assessment of our capabilities. No one points out to the coach, who just decorates the dugout and earns a fat salary.

Posted by sweetspot on (May 15, 2010, 8:38 GMT)

Why are we listening to a bunch of losers what to do to get Dhoni's boys to win? Madan Lal, Shastri, and Gavaskar have opinions? Please! None of them have even played T20 cricket. None of them have played gruelling cricket with a packed schedule and none of them were ever as fit as any of our new generation cricketers. In terms of approach - Sunny Gavaskar scored 36 not out in a 60 over game, having come out opening and having carried the bat, when the team needed more than 300! Is this the best man to be advising a generation he doesn't even know? Give it a rest against Dhoni and his boys - they are very very capable and just need some breathing space right now. They have scaled heights that the rascals from the previous generation never even dared to dream of.

Posted by Mr-Cool on (May 15, 2010, 8:29 GMT)

Straight from Heart :-- I was a big fan of Dhoni; however, he disappointed me a lot and many more cricket loving Indian cricket loving fans by saying <Indians are not good at playing short pitch deliveries>. It clearly shows the character of him <Loser>. We did not learn from last T-20 world cup and eliminated from 2010 T-20 world cup due to same very reason <Short Pitch> and our so called Captain Saheb accepting the same thing; however, did not want to overcome or work on the problem. I don't think that the problem is going to resolve by accepting your weakness in front of media. He <Dhoni> will come up with many more excuses in years to come as this is only the beginning as we were winning matches up until now because of brilliant individual efforts not by team efforts. We won the 2007 T-20 world cup just by fluke or you can say that due to Good Luck. We must prepare our self to hear lies and blunt statements from Dhoni in years to come.

Posted by M.S.Patil on (May 15, 2010, 8:03 GMT)

MSD the indian captain is the main culprit as in the crucial super 8 matches inspite of winning the toss he opted to field with only 2 seamers on bouncy wicket on twice and he is not learning by his mistakes. His skill behind the wicket is also not upto his standard. Not selecting Robin is the another feather from our selectors mistakes are concerned. Selection committe must own the total responsibility for the defeat along with MSD.

Posted by Christy1268 on (May 15, 2010, 7:23 GMT)

Dear Mr Pramsetty - the same problm persisted a deacde back - with 9 players of the playing 11 frm Karnataka- so much so that there was a hoarding that said it was "Australia vs Karnataka" - after having been at the beneficial end of this malaise, now u r complaining abt partiality when ur state seemingly is at the receiving end... what were u doing then ? And stop making comparisons for M Vijay vs Robin Uthappa - the selection was a straight replacement for an injured opener with another. Ur parochial state of mind is making you blind to such a smple issue...

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 7:14 GMT)

Well every other country is busy with their schedules in the caribbean,we are in the process of searching for Scapegoats in the caribbean loss......:-(

Posted by ennem on (May 15, 2010, 6:47 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar is right. Citing IPL is the only reason for the terribly poor performance is unacceptable to a nation of a billion passionate fans. One can understand Gavaskar, Shastri and Pataudi discounting this issue. In fact, it is amazing that Dhoni had the courage to bring it out. However, the relevance of IPL should not be ignored, either. The pressure of performing for a franchisee who has huge fnancial stake in his team, enormous amounts of money on offer, the temptations on offerr, the adulation and adoration by a mass of people who want instant-masala-cricket under highly advertised and flashy conditions - these are heady influencs on anybody. Kumble had the honesty to admit this in his article in HT. BCCI has to make sure that our players are fitter and better equipped to play short pitched deliveries, but let us not ignore the damning effect IPL has on cricket. Let us listen to Gary Kirsten carefully. T20/2010 was BCCI's failure and let them do something.

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 6:42 GMT)

India has scaled heights never scaled before by any team under Dhoni . Each team has forgettable times , lets just say this has been one such tournament . I am sure that this team has in it to pull it back. I would want to have Dhoni stay on as captain. BCCI should think of Cricket more as a nation's pride that a money minting kit . The least they can do is to put IPL on the international calender . That way players get their due rest.

Posted by sss111ind on (May 15, 2010, 6:33 GMT)

Yes it hurts more when your best game comes out of worst performance.This is because their lack of patriotism and irresponsible.They are only playing for money and not for India.Even new comers like Afghanistan and Ireland played very well and restricted some great team within their limit and hope for the win.But in case of India is really opposite.Dhoni and Pathan never comes out front when the team really wants them.And bowlers are outdated and batsmen are worst performers.IPL must ban in the country if team India would like to perform well in 2011 WC.Srikhant must removed before making team India as team Madras.

Posted by cyborg2k8 on (May 15, 2010, 6:25 GMT)

Australianism," wrote Arlott, "means single-minded determination to win - to win within the laws but, if necessary, to the last limit within them. It means where the 'impossible' is within the realm of what the human body can do, there are Australians who believe that they can do it - and who have succeeded often enough to make us wonder if anything is impossible to them. It means they have never lost a match - particularly a Test match - until the last run is scored or their last wicket down.".............INDIANS CAN ONLY DREAM OF THIS......Pak & Aus saved T20.....Indians suck

Posted by buddy_hitesh on (May 15, 2010, 6:17 GMT)

The performance of Indain Team is not Bad only in the Last 2 T-20 WCs but all the Champions Tropies And Major tournament except 2007 T-20 WC they didnt reach in a single semifinal i m fully agree with Gavaskar sir that indian players should practice against short pitch stuff but NCA might not be the right place indain players should go to play county cricket bcz there is very less cricket in other part of world during this period and there is no point in playing useless trination tounaments BCCI should understand that .Also the best scoring option against spin in T-20 is slog Sweep and not many indian batsman are good in that so they should practice that also apart from feet movement which should be carry on..................... And at last Team should be selected considering the place of tounament

Posted by kamal_mmb on (May 15, 2010, 5:47 GMT)

Batting is our strength - first change this attitude. Based on Batting strength you won't win all the matches. Take the case of R.Jadeja - what he is going to do in No.8 position. Instead of him if we taken any front line spinner (Ojha / Ashwin) the story may be different. Yusuf Pathan - can you tell any one good innings he is played for India - result is nothing. First throw away the un-performed players like YUSUF / JADEJA . YUVRAJ - he is simply sitting on Indian team based on the past performances only. Every body know his attitude / body language from IPL onwards. He is not shown any interest on Cricket. Instead of above players if we have Kohli, Pragyan Ojha, Sehwag (if not get injured) - the results will be different. First remove all un-performed palyers. In T20 - we are starting with the front line spinner in first 6 overs - then why we are keeping fast bowlers like Nehra / Khan. This is openly says ort fast bowlers or not deliver anything. Selectors Pls. think.

Posted by cricnar on (May 15, 2010, 5:39 GMT)

I agree with Sunny when he want to send players to NCA. but it is not a panacea. Maybe you can pick up some skills there. What I do not agree is that training at NCA would result in success. Lesser mortals have been successful and greater mortals have been unsuccessful. Fistly the selection for T20 types of competion should be based on form and class. It is not test cricket. There is no place for unfit players in T20. As far as Dhoni is concerned, i feel that his statement that SL bowled tightly in the last 5 overs is foolish. No team is going to give loose balls asking to be hit. It is the batsman who have to take the risk and play innovative shorts. With wickets in hand and very few overs to go. dhoni instead of showing signs of urgency was playing percentage cricket. Now that is not good for a talented guy. A talented guy has to back his talent and go for it. Dont pamper and spoil dhoni. Let him introspect and understand his mistakes. Then Success is certain.

Posted by Raja22222 on (May 15, 2010, 5:00 GMT)

Lot of comments r being posted questioning the integrity of Kriss Srikanth and Dhoni for selecting M.Vijay instead of Robin uthappa. Robins advocates are the youngsters mostly from karnataka without analyzing the facts.I too like Robin uthappa and want him to play late down in the order in T20's by scoring a 22 ball 40. But his Technique is very poor and all the international coaches,captains and bowlers knows how to get him out.On the other hand M.Vijay is gifted with technique and class who can play all the shorts written in the book. Remember when Lara started his career he got out in single digits several times.But emerged as the best in the business only because the team management identified the class in him and transformed him as a big player. We need good players with technique and class to replace Dravid and Laxman in the future? Do u have many domestic players like M.Vijay as future prospect?Surely Robin Uthappa is not the one.Let us wish M.Vijay to succeed in Zimbabwe..

Posted by VipulPatki on (May 15, 2010, 4:47 GMT)

I didn't go through all the comments but I am surprised at the strong disagreement to SG's views. He is bang on target as always with his analysis. I would go a step further to say that any cricketer hopeful of a place in the national side should be made to pass some sort of fielding certificate from a panel consisting of Robin Singh, Sunil Gavaskar and some national coaches after going through a rigorous week-long test. I know all bowlers and batsmen inevitablty hit a temporary rough patch but a rough patch in fielding is simply not acceptable. @ imabid2cricinfo: I am sure SG didn't include Sachin in the list of errant players. @ SachinTheGodOfCricket: RU scored these runs after getting a reprieve of a short ball in many of the innings he played in IPL. So it's not that his technique against short-pitched stuff is not suspect.

Posted by CricketkaFunda on (May 15, 2010, 4:27 GMT)

Mr. Sunny gavaskar, can I ask you a questuin that why the hell India does not play warm up matches before any series. It happened in Australia and it happened in world cup. Why IPL is more imp than a ICC tournament? Why don't you accept that a month long competitive cricket will mentally and physically drain out anybody? Sure, Players are under contract with BCCI, then it is all BCCI fault that they organised IPL before world cup. They (players) are all men after all not machine.

Posted by dsig3 on (May 15, 2010, 3:20 GMT)

Cant teach players how to play short pitch bowling this late in there careers. Why doesnt he tell the BCCI to stop making dustbowls and feather beds? Thats the real problem. Until then, India will always be on the backfoot to fast bowling just like Australia is to big turning wickets.

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 2:30 GMT)

India's attitude and behavior in the T20 Cup frighteningly reminds me of the sub-standard teams it used to sport in the 90s! Hope we don't re-enter the mediocre phase of cricket again!

And for christ sake, let us put a tab on the faff that is IPL and concentrate on international cricket tourneys!

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 2:16 GMT)

Starjay* there are concrete pitches in NCA which emulates the bounce and pace like barbados .As sunny said playing medium pace bowlers from 18 16 yards will give you lesser time to adjust like genuine pace bowlers.If a rubber ball is used it will be even difficult with the bounce and pace

Posted by Ind_Cric_Support on (May 15, 2010, 2:16 GMT)

You cannot really pin point one or two areas where India needs to work on. If I were the selector, I would select the team purely on cricketing basis, not based on who pays me or treats me better. No place for politics in team selection. Unless that changes, it is very difficult to see any positive change. India lacked quality bowling. No bowler was effective. You cannot always win matches by batting good. If our batsmen fail, then goes the match too. I would have been very disappointed if India had gone to semis. They just did not deserve. And there is no need to be ashamed of. Not every team is capable of winning all the time. We just need to accept our flaws and work to rectify them. Atleast from now on, we should not wait till we come out of a tournament to identify our drawbacks. All the ex players can talk all they want now. But how is that really helping. They just want to show off their commenting skills. Maybe, they didn't see this kind of money when they were playing.

Posted by manchandamridul on (May 15, 2010, 1:43 GMT)

the main reason for the crappy failure of india in super eight stage is the poor selection. when the selectors knew that yuvi, gambhir, yusuf are out of form then why did they took them to carribean. on the other hand i agree that indians lack in fighting spirit. indians must learn something from australians, the way they played in semi was truly commendable.

Posted by insightfulcricketer on (May 15, 2010, 1:26 GMT)

I think the paramount reason the Indian team failed is the amateurishness of BCCI. 1. No advance scouts were sent to check West Indian pitch preparement. They could have sounded the board to prepare players for bouncy wickets. Team composition would have been more pace friendlier.Stress on a sound No,3 2. Given fragile physical condition of Nehra ,Gambhir and Zaheer - advance visas should have been prepared for 20 players. BCCI needs to be professional and realize Indian team is a product and they need to do their homework so that the best prepared product is put out there. Win or lose that is the fun of sport but atleast put your best foot forward. Inspite of all the millions in the bank both the BCCI and its players are still amateurs in thought and preparation.Thats where Sachin,Dravid,Kapil,Kumble are anamolies - professional to the core in an amateurish setup.

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 1:13 GMT)

Everyone is talking about Short pitched deliveries and Indians' inability to play the same. Can they play genuine fast bowling at all at first instance?? Just rewind and look at the India - Australia match. Gambhir was all at sea and was trying to protect himself of the Tait ball which eventually went to four when he tried to save his face being hit by ball. Then Yuvraj could not bring his bat down before the ball could even hit the stumps. May be Indian wickets needs to change. Some cement surface needs to be placed on Indian grounds to train people. This is just about batting. Our bowling was exceptional. Even the Afghan guys were more spirited i think; though they knew they were losing they were fierce. Ravindra Jadeja, Dhoni's faith in him is proving too costly for Dhoni himself. What can a captain do when a bowler has an avg of 18 runs per over. Crazy!! He cant bat, he is not a slogger, he runs his partners out and he cant bowl. Selectors might even give him captaincy i guesss :D

Posted by   on (May 15, 2010, 0:51 GMT)

Sooner or later, it'd to happen, the way the Indian Cricket Authority used and threw Dravid, Uthappa, Ganguly and other some excellent players in last few years, it was signalling that India would pay the price for it. I think this is only a beginning, unless and until India produces some consistent batsman like Dravid, in abroad such results will be more or realistic for this Indian Team. They only reiterate the saying that India is Lion at home, but when the matter of away matches come the familiar story. Hope concerned authorities will take wise steps in time.

Posted by Masterpiece on (May 15, 2010, 0:37 GMT)

Yeah sending team India to Bangalore is a very good idea. cause picthes there are bouncy and hard. it will also give some experience for the younger bowlers in bangalore.

Posted by CbeCricket on (May 15, 2010, 0:01 GMT)

Learn the game from Australia. I am sure that some in the Indian team would have watched Hussey and White played the T20 game. The team lacks confidence. Two years in a row and no win in super 8's. Did the selectors get the message,the team is not capable of playing the short ball. Get them trained.

Posted by Hoffman on (May 14, 2010, 23:55 GMT)

I agree with Sunil ji, IPL is an excuse. I think what is lacking is the fighting spirit and the mental strength. I am sure the big buck earned in the IPL are the down side to the national game, moreover fans have made their players as Mega Gods. Yuvi and Yusuf shouldn't have been in the team. Selection comittee is to be blamed partly. There seems to be criteria - he is a great player - so take him ON, BUT has he performed in the past - don't get carried away and pick the palyers up for big tournaments. For God's sake learn something form the Aussies, they are fighters and always beat you in your game.

Posted by Percy_Fender on (May 14, 2010, 23:13 GMT)

Though Gavaskar's suggestion of sending the batsmen seen as being suspect against the short ball is an excellent one, I feel that there is something instinctive in the hook shot itself which may be difficult to acquire by training itself. I think good hookers read the length of the ball early and execute the shot without fear in their minds. It is the fear of being hit that causes them to respond to the ball in a feeble manner. Thus one has to as it were, instinctively rock back and hook or pull the short ball. This I believe comes only if one has played in this manner from a young age. It may be difficult to adapt to this stroke. Raina is an excellent player in every way even if he is not a good hooker. He should see how Sehwag has overcome the need to hook.The thing is Viru is very very courageous and frankly has no thought of being hit. It is necessary perhaps to institute an award for the best hooker from the lowest age group cricket to get over this problem in our batsmen.

Posted by sam7788 on (May 14, 2010, 23:07 GMT)

so when sunil gavaskar says that send "all those who are having difficulty against the short ball to the NCA" he i guess means send the whole damn Indian squad to the NCA. Ridiculous management of the richest sports body in the world!!! that's what happens when you get some wealth that you have never seen before...go figure!!!

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 22:41 GMT)

What the hell all these people are doing??? Stupid people earning in Millions and thats $$$ not RS. so spend it on infrastructure. Look at out facilities. CRAPPP!!!!

Don't Blaim others just accept that poor selection and poor performance failed Them!

Posted by joe_charles on (May 14, 2010, 22:25 GMT)

First of all, you need to play the game with spirit. Even if you know You are not going to win, you should still play with your spirituality. The way India lose their last match against Sri Lanka just showed that Indian players are not good fighters. They didn't even try to win once they found out that they're eliminated. Win or Lose, the only thing as a player all you have to do is, fight till the end. 'Never give up' should be the motto of every player.

Posted by SunilPotnis on (May 14, 2010, 22:20 GMT)

Gavaskar is dead right on this. I have always said the class of bowling when Gavaskar played was so high that it is difficult to surpass that today. Playig short pitch bowling needs lot of guts and class and Gavaskar is speaking from his experience. Learn from the Master Gavaskar. Playing on Indian wickets and bouncy wickets outside of Iindia is world of difference and this is where we were found wanting again

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 21:49 GMT)

I don't completely disagree from sunny ab the short ball practice for the indian squad but there are severe issues that needs to be looked at first. 1.india lacks a genuine pace baller.CSK wouldn't have won without Bollinger even dhoni would agree. 2.Poor selection-utthappa and ojha were left out despite good performances. 3.Dhoni can't be blamed for going up the order in the last match bcoz in our team only he,raina and rohit wr in good touch.Barring the match with aussies he had scored in all matches with good strike rates. 4.T-20 is not the best format to get back ur form bcoz u hardly spend time in middle n it happened no different with yuvi,gambhir,pathan or jadeja with bat.m vijay was never a better option than karthik for opening. 5.our opening barring last game was disastrous- either we were 25/3 in first 5 overs or bcoz of defense 30-35 for 1,india has a b8r opening r rate in ODIs. it was because they became overprotective or over-agressive.

Posted by starjay on (May 14, 2010, 21:06 GMT)

This is absolute rubbish from a former Indian legend as Sunny Gavaskar. Even if the Indian players are packed to the NCA, on what kind of pitches would they practice ? it would be the same slow and low dead patches where the ball hardly rises above knees. So what good would sending them away to the NCA do ? - nothing. Instead the Indian cricket board (BCCI) should invest money to prepare pitches around India that are sporty. Geographically the soil content found in South Africa and India are similar. If South African pitches can have pace and bounce in them then so can the Indian pitches with a little ingenuity and effort from the BCCI. Scrap the IPL and make the cricketers 'work' for their places in the national team. The results will crop up automatically.

Posted by pramsetty on (May 14, 2010, 20:51 GMT)

Hello Gavaskar Sir, Well said .. My reason would be, BCCI showing partiality on certain players in selection n that making us a problem. No body knows why Robin Utappa was not in T20 squad n he was not even included for Zimbabwe tour. we all know that, our slection committe going with their own state players n restricting others . Its not fair. Robin is far better than Murali Vijay in any case, but he was selcted. n In this T20 world cup, team composition is so flat n there is no balance in the team. Team should take tips from Dravid n Sachin to play short pitch balls. I wish, atleast from the next time, our selection committe takes a perfect decision in taking the players. Thank you for your Time.. Take care........ All the best Team India. We always there with you.....

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 20:50 GMT)

Dhoni's whinging about IPL parties etc is an absolute joke....i think he has lost all sense of shame ....which i suppose has been conveniently exchanged for the IPL megabucks...but now with a boot up his keester in the Word Cup the so called captain cool, is fumbling around for stupid excuses. Mind yu, these stupid excuses will also endear him to the current anti-Modi lobby....my question here...is Dhoni playing cricket or politics....tis time to give him the royal boot along with indisciplined, trouble mongering & overpaid brats like Yuvraj, Praveen Kumar etc, n overhyped "stars" like Yusuf Pathan////the Rainas and Kohlis and Rohits and Vinay Kumars are there. KIck these non-performing brats out. Give a chance to the Ashwins n Pandeys n others!! Dhonis lame excuses SUCK!! Inept captain that he is!!

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 20:36 GMT)

What Sunil Sir says is true but Indian People know better than Dhoni and Selector who is Match Winning player... Change the system of selecting players, don't be like an IT company owner(30-40%bonus for referral) We need strong team to challenge others In ICC World cup.. Murli Vijay Is Total Flop Dhoni Made Wrong Decision.. How an un experience player can perform On Windies Pitch.. Every one know about Windies Pitches ... Selector dropped Utthapa, Virat and Ishant why...? They have good Exp on International Cricket Virat And Robin are sensible and responsible batsman and why Selector dropped Ishant because of His poor performance in IP...? He can Bowl well better than Vinay, Praveen.... Open your Eyes Ms Dhoni and Selector... With Master Blaster Call back Jammy, Kumble and Dada For World Cap If u wanna see World Cup In India... This Bunch Of Party animals cant full-fill our dreams... We saw them performing better than MS and Few players.. And Ms Dhoni IPl is Nt Responsible for al

Posted by SachinTheGodOfCricket on (May 14, 2010, 20:31 GMT)

As Sunny said the batsmen in our team should be trained to play short ball. But this should have done earlier. According to me one of the biggest blunder that was done is selecting Vijay for Sewag. When there is a superb Batsman called Uthappa who plays short ball also well, there is no point in selecting Murali Vijay. What did he do for team India in this world cup is very well known. Also a squad with only 2 pace bowlers is very pathetic. I feel that the selection team should be changed and not our good captain MSD. He is very nice captain for Indian team. He took India to 1st place in tests and 2nd place in ODI. I hope BCCI will take the right decision.

Posted by imabid2cricinfo on (May 14, 2010, 20:26 GMT)

i am very surprised to read the comments from the great Gavaskar; Team India is a great team with full of talents, very hardworking and passionate; with his comment he has insulted each and every member of the team including the great little master Sachin Tendulkar; he must apologise and learn to accept the defeat; it is good to be optimistic but not at the cost of nation sentiments. I can turn around and ask him to see a physic and get it right. (sorry, dont mean to be respectful)

Posted by veerbabu on (May 14, 2010, 20:23 GMT)

hello srikanth there r athoer states in india not just madras and ur son please select others also

Posted by veerbabu on (May 14, 2010, 20:20 GMT)

first remove srikanth as a selector then only india will win matchs he has not remove then all madras playears r in indian time then it calls madras international time srikanth go down

Posted by mubeenkemisaal on (May 14, 2010, 19:51 GMT)

Yup not again..!!Short balls are just not issues.Team India lacks fast seam bowlers.A good all rounder.Team India has the batting talent but they don't apply,when it really needs.Indians were not aggressive enough they didn't apply well themselves,running out of ideas.They just came to participate in T20 world cup rather than winning..!!Losing doesn't matter much after all its game of cricket.If you lose without a fight it really hurts.Indians just didn't fight enough to stay in the competition.

Posted by svrfremont on (May 14, 2010, 19:50 GMT)

India will never win. It is just that our expectations have raised after 1983 and 2007. I am sorry these were just miracles. And miracles do not happen again and again. That is the way it is. You think they are going to win 2011 ODI WC. No way. We dont have the stomach for the game.

Look at what Aus did just now. Last over 18 to win and they believed they could win and did it. We need the guts. We had a little bit of that in 2007. I have seen the guts missing in the previous two T20 WC.

Anyways ... send them to NCA whatever. On the day if we dont show guts nd purpose we will not win. Having seen this 40 yrs. I think we somehow lack the guts and belief. That is why we bowl when we should have batted both times in Barbados; vs Aus and WI. This is not the only time I can take history and quote many instances of bowling because we were afraid to face the bowling on a fresh pitch.

Posted by Cricism on (May 14, 2010, 19:49 GMT)

@sharz - "many Indian greats have not played T20" but at least they have played international cricket and they know game of cricket better than you. what is your credibility?

Posted by dalok on (May 14, 2010, 19:46 GMT)

I can't see why IPL was not an issue. The entire India team was part of IPL as opposed to only some for other countries. Furthermore India batsmen had false sense of security due to the conditions provided by IPL. The short boundaries and slow pitches were their universe just before they left for WC in WI. They just didn't wake up from that giant party that IPL was. Indian bowlers were never lethal and the IPL totally marginalized them. So even when the fast bowler got the conditions that were helpful they didn't utilize them. IPL needs to be scaled back to be viable.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 19:29 GMT)

Thanks for the free advice!!!

Posted by khandrik on (May 14, 2010, 19:23 GMT)

It seemed perfect statement which i made previously. Australia win the semi final from where one would never think of.

Indian team lacks such a hungry squad. I can only name a few who would always want to go for a win even when the team's position is bad. Once we see 67/4 after 11 overs chasing 191, not only the viewers, but the team believes its going to loose. Not like the Aus team. They even play for a win if they are 67/9 in 11 overs.

Just shows how responsible and patriotic they are to win for their country. I am pretty sorry if i hurt someone saying this, but its true.

Posted by cricketinside on (May 14, 2010, 18:38 GMT)

well, trying out only workarounds have left indian cricket in current situation. why not BCCI is replacing half of slow and turner pitches with fast and bouncy wickets? If you're going to compete with team like aus, england, aus at their home, you should have good practice on similar kind of wickets. playing on slow and batsman friendly pitches and expecting from batsmen to perform on lively pitches of aus/eng/newzealand/sa is just too much expectation. Until you make such conditions available to domestic cricket, you can't groom your players for international arena. and the same formula will also encourage more players to choose their profiles as bowlers. so, don't try to heal the branches, try to heal the root. This has been shame for a nation with billions of population but can't produce quality genuine fast bowlers.

Posted by ikvivek on (May 14, 2010, 18:38 GMT)

The main reason for the debacle is not only the short ball attack but also lacking in pace department. India need to produce fast bowlers who can bowl at more than 140 kmph with accurate line and length. It was shocking to see none of our bowlers didnt try to bowl a short call against the oppositions. The only way to over come this weakness is practise, our players need more and more practise against short ball,

Posted by svinodmenon on (May 14, 2010, 18:04 GMT)

Even our batsman struggle against short balls we did well to score runs, Our bowling dept is lazy and has to change. Each country has a strike bowler like Malinga, Ameer, Steyn, Tait like wise, but in india we do not have a bowler of that kind. No quality spinners compared to other teams, harbajan was a big flop he bowls in powerplay and didn't pick wickets. Look at pak eng they have spinners who pick wickets and bowls economically. Eg Ajmal, Swann, Randiv. These bowlers led their country. Harbajan did nothing in T20 he is not picking wickets, he thinks himself as a allrounder and try to bowl economically. India currently need quality spinner who can take wickets, & a fast bowler. Against SL we should have defended 163 even we could have restricted them to 140 and reach Semifinal. Bowlers are to blame first before the batsman. A long standing issue for indian team is that we did not have a quality bowler.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 17:55 GMT)

Indian batting has been good most of the time; it's unfortunate that so many batsmen have faltered in a single tournament. I think with a little more skills training batting will be top notch, what is poor with India is fast bowling. India needs to produce fast bowlers on a regular basis and find some solution to their eternal injury crisis. If Indian soil is not good for fast bowling then they could be trained in a country like South Africa, BCCI will need to shell out some money. Regarding captaincy, I think there is no better bet than Dhoni,moreover what is required from players is an attitude towards victory. If you lose pathetically and don't feel bad about it, you definitely don't deserve to play for your country..as simple as that!

Posted by khandrik on (May 14, 2010, 17:42 GMT)

I don't think we have the bowling attack to make other batsmen concerned enough. Our bowlers only perform some times. They are not consistent enough. Praveen Kumar who was a bit better consistent of all, was injured in between.

We have to find better bowlers and better better fielders. Batting always cannot win us games. Aus, SL and other teams if we consider make a match of even some 150 they score in an ODI or even make 120 look 160 in a T20. That's the capability of their bowling and fielding.

Just dont only blame the batsmen or the skipper for this cause.

Posted by snowleopard10101 on (May 14, 2010, 17:33 GMT)

Yuvraj Singh is a disease.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 17:09 GMT)

For once I go with Sunny, he played against the likes of Garners and Marshals and Hadlees so he does have legitimate right to be harsh in criticizing indian team. I feel people are thinking too narrow minded and blaming short ball for Indias failure, if it was just 1 type of delivery which could knock out a team, that team is not fit to be in International scene at all. India did not play like a unit, opening was a flop, R.Jadeja became a burden and Dhoni himself was not at his astute self. India needs to regroup, sit down and take corrective action and give their 100% in all games. India peaked too early and England on the other hand have been progressing game by game, ball by ball. Thats the attitude you need to compete. India just plays like the hot/cold Pakistan in ICC tournaments.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 16:58 GMT)

Instead of practicing in the dud wickets of NCA,why don't BCCI rent a few bouncy/swing assisting wickets in Barbados, Durban, Perth etc for a weeks every year and send the boys to practice there? Once the boys get well used to all the tough wickets, when they play international game there at some point they will be well prepared mentally and physically. We could also hire fiery local talent to bowl at our batsman. BCCI surely has the money and influence to do this and boards like those in West Indies can surely make use of the extra money.

Posted by SachinIsTheGreatest on (May 14, 2010, 16:53 GMT)

I have always maintained and will continue to that the Dhoni-Srikkanth partnership is an unholy alliance for India. It seems a CSK player is always round the corner to be picked. Srikkanth either has to be asked to terminate his relationship with CSK or he has to be removed as Chief Selector.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 16:53 GMT)

India had the weakest bowling attack, poorest fielding unit, slowest running between the wickets and a really mediocre batting that lacked experience. And we are all surprised with the results. Afganistan might have lost in round 1, but even they showed far more commitment in their fielding.

Posted by HBcritiq on (May 14, 2010, 16:48 GMT)

for all dhoni fans out there, here's his captaincy record in ODIs/T20Is since he took over as captain. This list only includes Trination/Multination tournaments, no bilateral series. The only worthwhile wins are CB series(2008) and compaq cup(09) both of them single handedly won by Tendulkar. Barring these the record is rather pathetic, especially for a multi billion dollar cricket board(BCCI). Now that they lost T20 worldcup, next thing they r going to do is invite some poor country to india for a meaningless bilateral whipping to please indian fans

t20 worldcup 10 - didnt win a single game in super eights champions trophy 09 - didnt reach semi trination tournament in bangladesh 09(india, SL, bangladesh) - lost finals compaq cup(ind, nz, srilanka) 09 - winner(becoz tendulkar) t20 worldcup 09 - didnt win a single game in super eights championstrophy 08 - didnt reach semi kitply cup(india,pak, bangaldesh) 08 - lost finals Asia cup 08 -lost in final CB series 08-winner(becoz tendulkar)

Posted by Ind_Cric_Support on (May 14, 2010, 16:48 GMT)

Let us not be too harsh at the players. While we are all talking, they are the ones sweating on the field for us. But IPL is a lame excuse for the failure. Let us accept the facts and look forward to rectifying them rather than pointing fingers. There is more than 1 area where Indian cricket needs serious help. 1. There is too much of power and politics in Indian cricket (administration) that is spoiling the game.The organizers need to think a liitle bit outside the "Money" 2. Players are getting easy money nowadays. They need to qualify to get that money. They need to be fit first, and perform better. Coach needs to set realistic goals for each player and appraise them accordingly. 3. Selection - Many times, it is obvious to everybody else except the selectors that team selected is very weak. Irfan, Uthappa should have been in. 4. Facilities - BCCI should provide quality practice facilities (ground, staff, pitch, etc) to simulate different playing conditions (slow, bouncy, fast)

Posted by MaruthuDelft on (May 14, 2010, 16:19 GMT)

Indian cricketers always languish at the beginning; after criticism and shame hurt they get active; study the difficult tours India had; except one South African tour all fall into the same pattern; unfortunately limited over tournaments are too short for warming up slowly; so the solution is emphasising and teaching the Dennis Lillee mentality; the opposite is Imran; when a match started Lillee was always prepared to send his best deliveries to send the openers packing; Imran used to warm up in his first spells; like old cars; making Indians behave like Lillee will take some time; Indians by nature are timid, peaceful and agriculture oriented; they have to be turned into hunters like the westerners; it is important to be aggressive and physically strong to survive now; think Lillee or Viv Richards, eat beef for breakfast and go out for the kill.

Posted by manasvi_lingam on (May 14, 2010, 16:18 GMT)

Poor bowling, atrocious fielding and of course a glaring weakness against the short ball. What more could one ask for? We are only slightly better than Bangladesh and Zimbabwe at T20s. The IPL was a major factor in our poor performance but it was NOT the main factor. The fact is that the Indian team lacked the skills to become a good T20 side. Until the quality of domestic cricket is changed, the pitches are sporting and the administrators are also held accountable, this will be the story of Indian cricket.

Posted by vsrajan on (May 14, 2010, 16:17 GMT)

It is absolute stupidity to blame IPL for dismal performance. If you really look at the composition of the team, out of 15 players who went to WCT20, 50% of the team completed their IPL campaign by 18 April and they had clear 15 days of rest or for fitness. Especially people like Yuvi, Gambir, Nehra, Piyush, Yusuf- they all had time to recoup from IPL fatigue. Why couldnt they recharge themselves? It is sheer lethargy and taking things for granted. BCCI should be blamed for all the fiasco. They were more interested in looking at Modi's affairs and envying his popularity rather than taking interest in WC.Before sacking the players or captain or coach, first of all, the entire Office bearers of BCCI should be sacked and issued show cause notice for this debacle. People easily may say they are simply the administrators but they are the ones who should take the responsibility before the players. Let them come out of comfort zone and take moral responsibility! Useless Administrators!

Posted by maulikjn on (May 14, 2010, 16:13 GMT)

CONT my prev post ... prob v will not send our players to NCA before next WC bcos again IPL will be on the way. I'm playing only a club cricket in US for 9 yrs & I cud figure out during these yrs that if I hv late night (without even drinking) day b4 game, I cud feel the diff in my game that week-end. Also, if I m stressed at work lately & had few late evenings or lot travelling then also my timing in batting and bowling both suffers. And these greats always stressed those things, but I m surprised how come they r singing diff song now & not ready to put at least some blame on IPL activities. We agree that players r professional etc, but not playing any practice games was a stupid idea, bcos you r not playing those games to only get cricket practice, but to get flavor of weather, wind, pitch, outfield etc .. but our players didn't feel its necessary anymore. I wonder if I was tired to watch WC after watching so many IPL games, how cum players r not tired playing, may b I was not paid:)

Posted by pacyCricket on (May 14, 2010, 16:05 GMT)

"FIRST MOVE OF A PAWN IN A CHESS GAME WITHOUT ANY INTENT" Gavaskar trying to prove smart by gaining cheap popularity. I would have accepted all his comments blindly if he had timed his suggestion before this happened. Indians struggling against short ball is not an issue of 2009 / 2010. Also doesn't he knew that INDIA are not able to find a long term solution for fast bowling resources since KAPIL DEV. AND WHAT IS HIS NCA DOING FOR THAT? The shocking fact is bowlers seem to be good before joining NCA and later when they go for corrections they lose their potential and come back as harsha rightly said "FIRST MOVE OF A PAWN IN A CHESS GAME WITHOUT ANY INTENT". One more fact: NCA productions/corrections VRV Singh, RP SIngh, PAnkaj Singh are best examples of how poor is the product of NCA.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 15:57 GMT)

its sad that we r knocked out twice in t20 n once in odi world cup without qualifying for semis..... this is'nt prob of ms actually the prob is of the selection comittee who dint choose robin manis n pragyan ojha who was in very good form.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 15:55 GMT)

The problem started at the root itslef. TEAM SELECTION is not good enough. On what basis VIJAY found a place in world cup T20 Squad.. ha ha IPL. one match glitter...haha..ppl has to laugh at it.

Second.. Ravindera Jadeja - He is not a Bolwer and a Batsman .. not even a athletic fielder drops many catches.

Yuvraj is lacks badly in fitness . He has taken his place for granted. No discpline there. Who ever you are if u are not following team guidelines should be thrown ou. look at teams like australia.

We want discipline fit athelets - even they are new babies , even the results are not immediate - u will eventually get result at one time.

what to say, in india , selection policy is fully corrupted. players earn places not by performances.

Posted by zak123kaif on (May 14, 2010, 15:36 GMT)

I think instead of sending the players to NCA they themselves should make the use of the month rest and practise the short balls better and i believe they will definitely do it.Go India Go.

Posted by maulikjn on (May 14, 2010, 15:32 GMT)

First I respect Mr Gavaskar and appreciate what he has done for Indian cricket, but it doesn't mean we take whatever he says. I am finding it little difficult to buy what he has to say on this. Most of us agree that our players need practice against short rising deliveries and agreed with Sunil that they should go to NCA, but why are we always reactive rather then pro-active, didn't we know this limitation from last WC the way our batsmen were exposed, so Sunil should have written this article then and send our players to NCA before WC. But how can they go and practice as IPL and all drama including parties were going that time. IPL is great but it gives false satisfaction to many, this time pitches were good in IPL but lightening fast outfield played in favor of batsmen. And we know quality of bowling is drastically different in WC compare to IPL. And let's move ahead rather then crying on the past, knowing all this are we ready to have 1 month camp at NCA before next WC? CONT .....

Posted by funsuk on (May 14, 2010, 15:30 GMT)

Indian team will face this issues forever until they find the quality fast bowlers and all rounders like Watson, Kallis and Razzaq. It is very surprising that cricket is passion in India and BCCI can not find any good all rounder out of Billion people.

Obviously it is too early to say about replacing Dhoni as a captain.

But Indian fielding and running between wickets were very ordinary on Windies ground. I would definitely blame IPL late night parties and continues traveling for two months would affect players fitness.

Posted by DinakarAppaji on (May 14, 2010, 15:24 GMT)

I guess the key factor is that selection has been very shabby. Shrikkant should take the responsibility for most of these failures over due to wrong selection a long time. Otherwise - we can't explain the reasons for Robin Uthappa not being part of the team for a long time now. I would presume he is much better than someone like Yusuf Pathan etc. ALso what could be the reason to omit Pragyan Ozha when he was the best bowler in IPL.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 15:22 GMT)

Wonder if Sunny would be as forgiving of IPL if he were not involved with it. Conflicts of interest aside, 've observed the following trend in the Indian team since the 90s till now: - We've performed badly when we've had a poor top-3. Sachin/Saurav/Dravid earlier and now Sehwag/Gambhir/Dravid have helped India grow as a Test power. - Our fast bowlers have faded away when they've been physically weak. Fast bowlers need to be strong, muscular athletes apart from being skilled, to sustain the stress of International cricket. e.g: Kapil Dev, Botham, Akram etc.. - Our batsmen's ability to play both spin and pace seems to have gone down. We were poor sweepers and bad pullers. But now I dont see them coming down the track to spinners either. It's all backfoot (Dhoni), or hopeful frontfoot (raina). - We have an OK stock of spinners.. but no match winners like Kumble. - Fielding standards have DEFINITELY dropped since 03/4. Simply unacceptable. (We need work at the school level. BADLY!!)

Posted by My_Beloved_Cricket on (May 14, 2010, 15:22 GMT)

Along with batsmen, train our fast bowlers to bowl i. yorkers-wide outside offstump/at the batsmen legs (depending on which side batsmen moves just before the time of delivery). ii. Slow & well directed bouncers. A match cannot be won only by batsmen, we need some good Fast bowlers like Bond, Steyn etc..

Posted by s.sanin on (May 14, 2010, 15:19 GMT)

It is really nice to see BCCI is aware of their problems and really looking forward to rectify them as early as possible. I Hope our BCB learns something from indian cricket governing body.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 15:19 GMT)

How about creating some fast pitches in India? Do half and half - spin and fast. This will create more fast bowlers, get experience for the batsman right from the their early years and IPL etc.

Posted by Freakkyyy on (May 14, 2010, 15:16 GMT)

A batsman who, after attending the previous night party, can change the course of a match with flurry of boundaries in a deciding match for semi-finals could not do any thing against West Indies even after staying in the pitch from the 11th over...really looks funny and there was even no evidence of any zest and thirst for a much needed victory when compared to IPL matches....

ENDORSEMENTS, PUBLICITY AND MONEY has a bigger impact more than the PROFESSIONALISM when it comes as a Team

I assure everyone that Indian Cricket will remain the same admist every controversies or inconsistencies...

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 15:14 GMT)

Guys, as a proud Aussie, I think your team do not look like they are enjoying their cricket. They seem to be going throught the motions. What has happened to the passion? To represent your country should be the only incentive you need. I agree with Sunny's comments, back to the drawing board. And why not prepare some wickets in India with some bounce and grass? How would that harm your cricket? I thoroughly enjoyed the cricket India played last time they were in Australia. They played with some aggression, some fire and they were competitive. What has happened to that attitude? Your team was a huge disappointment at the T20 World Cup but life goes on. It's not all doom and gloom, you have at your disposal at hell of a lot of talent. Time to harness it!

Posted by farmernik on (May 14, 2010, 15:14 GMT)

India's frailty against the short ball has been evident for decades now, and still nothing is done to address it. Part of the problem is also a lack of commitment from players. What does it say when you're a key player of one of the teams in the IPL final, and you're out partying until 3am on the morning of the final? I have a friend who has photo evidence of this. Of course that was just the IPL, but it really lends credence to Gary Kirsten's alleged statements about fitness.

Posted by Fazham on (May 14, 2010, 15:10 GMT)

If everyone knows what the problem is then y dont they fix it.. Y cant we prepare pitches in india which have more pace and bounce....and more swing etc. we have places in India where it is suited to make such pitches and BCCI has enough money in their pockets to do it. Last year the same argument was put up now they are repeating it and in the next world cup if India fails then the same excuse props up. I think we should learn something from the aussies. If they commit a mistake they rectify it and not repeat it next time......

Posted by Freakkyyy on (May 14, 2010, 15:09 GMT)

As seen over the years, I doubt Dhoni and Indian Men on their consistency at big tournaments when compared to two nation series...Moreover, I believe Dhoni having a soft corner for players like Yuvi, Bhajji, Zaheer etc..even when they do not perform which tests the integrity of the Team

When you people say that Dhoni should not be sacked only for the reason of losing two or three tournaments, then why the hell it was done to so many youngsters questioning their consistency.If the former is the correct way, then the latter should also be in the same strategy and vice versa.

Either change the youngsters everyday when they do not perform or keep them in the team till they become consistent..And BCCI always has the reason to escape in talking about the Selection Policy which decides everything.POLITICS PLAYS THE SPOILSPORT and this game of inconsistency would ever continue unless and until other games like Hockey, Football, Tennis, ATHELITICS are developed and given equal importance

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 14:53 GMT)

there are plenty of issues to resolve, we need quality fast bowlers at every level... international or domestic for that we have to make seaming or fast/bouncy tracks to inspire them to bowl at the weather we have in india, when the new generation would be playing these quality fast bowlers at domestic level, then the batsman would get trained playing short balls or easily face faster balls too. this would kill two birds with one arrow.. not only we get quality fast bowlers but it would make our batsman better too. australia plays fast bowling the best because they grew playing their quality domestic fast bowlers. its better to start with making faster and bouncy tracks so not only the current players benefit out of it but our generations to come would be well off with pace attack or short balls. only out of fear of losing matches at home and the love of the crowd to see 6's in ipl would hamper this cause....

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 14:43 GMT)

Losing T20 ib not a big issue.The bigger issue is y our players not competitive enough to perform at this level? Y bowlers are not able to deliver 24 balls in a match with accuracy and speed? Why every one is limping after 1 or 2 overs?why r they not able to run with ball in hand? Why bat speed slows down at the time of contact? Wyr was sunny wen best performers were not selected, speedsters like Ishant,Sreesanth, Munaf, Zaheer or Praveen were feeling the fatigue bcoz of bloody IPL? Y didn't he advocate for NCA session before WC?The fact is that BCCI and its disciples do not prioritise quality cricket. A day will come wen IPL will be played bet'n Ranji teams, for 8-9 months a yr and these BCCI people will criticise players for not mantaining top position in Tests and and not winning oneday series in a holiday trip to overseas conditions.They wnt money and stretch players to any extent? They pour money,glamour,wine,women to IPL and expect players to stay out? As you sow, so u reap man.

Posted by soumyas on (May 14, 2010, 14:42 GMT)

India Will keep losing Until Rjadeja, Mvijay, Dkarthik , Pchawla continue in the team..

Posted by nataraajds on (May 14, 2010, 14:37 GMT)

if indian want to be No.1 team, they need to play more cricket on overseas soil. it is the real test of talent. also the junior players need to be play & prove their talent atleast 2-3 years at "India A" level before picking them for indian team. we have seen many players scoring tons to runs in domestic cricket & fail to stay in international level becauseof this reason. talent & overseas experience only make them international players . it is pity that BCCI & NCA is not focusing on INDIA A team and giving them overseas experience. i wish atleast now they do this to keep india pride.

Posted by rag92 on (May 14, 2010, 14:34 GMT)

"Your franchise pays so much money for you, you should at least make the semi-finals. After that you can say it is a lottery" -- Mr. DHONI How about saying the same when it comes to the Country?? Oh I guess the people of India cannot afford the T20 specialists....

Posted by Crickathon on (May 14, 2010, 14:33 GMT)

I just wonder if in Gavaskar's days he is required to mandatorily play at every short ball bowled at him without the choice of leaving it alone, how he would have fared. While we are bound to take Sunny's observations in tests and ODIs with a bow, he is still not qualified to talk about laying short balls in a T20 where the batsmen have little choice other than to throw the bat at them. And does he actually mean that one and a half month of non-stop cricket and sleepless overnight parties will have no effect at all in the T20 world cup that begin within a week of all this gala?! He should be out of his mind to suggest this! You need not attend party today to feel tired tomorrow. You attend overnight parties almost everyday without sleep and play gruesome cricket almost every second day, you sure are going to feel tired! And what does Sunny know about hectic schedules when in his days he hardly played some 7-8 tests in a year and thats it!

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 14:33 GMT)

Let us face it we had a bad team. Gambhir was running between the wickets like a tortoise, even at this age sachina & dravid, run their 1st run very hard. HERe gambhir was converting 3 runs to 2 & 2 to 1. Yuvaraj and Rohit picked up for thier past greatness. Vijay plays the short ball well but he had some kind of badluck. Yusuf for what was he picked?? Ravindra Jadeja spiner allrounder instead of medium pacer / fast bowler allrounder, selection is a joke. Praveen injured & instead of playing Vinay who is in form, we play spinners on fast pitches. 50% of the team ws picked up on past accolades rather than form, the same thing which happened when India bowed out in the first round of the world cup under Dravids captaincy. Wil V never learn. Divide Indian cricket team into south & north, south indian cricket team will win hands down more because of their commitment rather than the high rated poor performing egostic north indian players who take THEIR PLACE IN THE INDIAN FOR GRANTED

Posted by cobol_c_java on (May 14, 2010, 14:32 GMT)

@ sharz - are you out of your mind? Do you think legends from the Gavaskar era up to the recent ones like SRT and Dravid were successful because they were able to duck the short ball? These guys made a name for themselves by playing against some of the fearsome pace bowlers that ever existed in history. Watch some old tapes before you make these kind of absolutely outrageous comments. Our 'lads' were all over the place trying to handle good pace attack and the current international pace attack can't even be compared to what the old legends had to face.

I bet you a 1000 bucks - let this current bunch of clueless street cricketers play a test match in a bouncy pitch and see if their ability to leave the short pitched ball will make them look good. I assure you they will look more pathetic in test cricket than in 20-20.

Posted by vamsikr1900 on (May 14, 2010, 14:28 GMT)

The reasons why India failed : 1 ) lack of confidence, poor fielding, relying on spin, not selecting the best squad, no major changes in line up, why do we rely on spin always, dont we find a prefessional seem bowlers, 2 why India dont replace the players, i do love to see tendulkar, yuvraj, dhoni in team, but if they (any player) are not upto the mark why dont we replace the players, in cricket the form is temporary who adopts the game according to the changes will survive, we Indians want the same team to be continued, Australia is successful becz they replace players, they left out steve waugh, mark wagh, beven, now ricky, even the best bowlers lee, clarke, symmonds, we need list of players who can perform in the feild not on paper line up, thousands of people with many expectations, i was praying god when will this indian bowling will get finish, the game is just not bating , bowling is also part of it, if no balance u r out of the game. My advise find the best bowlers...........

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 14:26 GMT)

I'll suggest IPL should not be held before big tournaments and if possible the number of matches should be reduced. Also those players who are not interested in playing for the country and prefer 'cash-rich' league over it should be SACKED from the national team even if takes Yuvraj or players likewise out of the team who are showing GREAT lack of interest in playing for the nation.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 14:20 GMT)

A lot of people will talk one way and some the other. No amount of speculation is going to change the result. a team losing out due to lack of skills is one thing but losing due to lack of application and an under-par effort is inexcusable. india's efforts were shoddy and teams like Ireland and Afghanistan showed a lot of fight in them. such a performance from a team ranked among the top in tests and ODIs really beggars belief. Gavaskar has nailed the application bit in his piece but there are many other issues to resolve here, chief among them being team selection. India went with the wrong team selection in England last year and paid the price, history has repeated itself this year. i wouldnt agree wiht Sharz's criticism against past players. even if they didn't play T20, they have played international cricket and know what they are talking about. no matter hoe great the batting might be, application and adaptation is key in the game. it is back to the drawing board for team india.

Posted by timelord24 on (May 14, 2010, 14:18 GMT)

unless and until MSD selects a well balanced team, we will never win anything. in any match, we can assume that one bowler will prove to be expensive. but with only 3 bowlers, it becomes even more difficult when one bowler gets smashed. so we have only 2 regular bowlers and now part timers have to bowl a lot to complete the overs. even an idiot can see that taking 3 regular bowlers , only one of whom is in form (bhajji ) , is suicide. unfit players will be selected. under performing players will be selected. piyush chawla is the worst spinner i have seen in a long time. his leg spin doesnt spin at all. and since she is so short he cant get any bounce from the wicket. pragyan ojha was seriously missed. yuvraj singh should not be selected unless and until he reduces his weight and regains his hunger. what a huge disappointment. still living on past glories.

Posted by Kishore_Tummala on (May 14, 2010, 14:17 GMT)

good approach. I dont think just resolving the short ball defence/offence will get a ticket to victory. Team needs a good anchorman in the middle order to control the tempo of the innings (like Rayudu to MI). There are other aspects that needs to be addressed in addition to shortballs.

my humble suggestion to every one in the team is to maintain the log ( Dairy ) of their observations of the match ( what went wrong, how it could have been handled, how the thought process as the match progresses, etc.) and review them periodically, which will be registered in their mind better than loose talk. This will alleviate some of the repetetive mistakes commited by them, if they are willing to get better day by day.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by Riyazdeen on (May 14, 2010, 14:13 GMT)

riyas here.. we din qualify for semis bcoz of only one reason. poor planing n tactics from our captain MSD. first it is well known barbados is a seamer friendly then y did he placed only two seamers. second as clark said y did he chose to bowl second in spite of being said batting first will be a good move. this time luck din favor our captain. better luck next time dhoni.

Posted by kr_nagaraaj on (May 14, 2010, 14:11 GMT)

I wouldn't agree on MsD's comments that the time was short & the players were exhausted after playing in IPL. They won the first 2 matches. They had a good break after that to enter into super eight. I would blame the entire unit & the BCCI for not preparing the palyers for this T20 after an embarassing loss in the england last year. Hey sunny, and others, what were u guys doing before?????? slumber sleeping about our preparations??????? did any one of you guys make the arrangements for this NCA camp before leaving to carribean????? why would all guys put the entire blame on MSD alone????? I guess, u don't have an alternate to find the fault on others????? good work BCCI & the so called greats for preparing our indian team in such a pathetic shape..... coninue ur good work like this & indian team will never make into semi's of T20 & even in 50 over games here after....

Posted by deepu864 on (May 14, 2010, 14:02 GMT)

as a moral responsibility dhoni should have resigned from captaincy.

Posted by TwitterJitter on (May 14, 2010, 13:57 GMT)

Blaming IPL and parties for Indian poor performance in Carribean? heh. Thats funny. India right now resembles a true emerging economy. It is coming into a modern age of commercial sports where sports persons are expected to multi-task and in return are paid heftily for their services and on the other had is still not able to let go of its socialist past where the moment people stop performing their pocket books are blamed and people starting making calls to hurt players pocket books and ban all entertainment. A modern sports player is expected to perform all these because if players expect wages commensurate with other commercialized sports they have to learn to deal with entertainment quotient. If not they have to go back to their past where government will run sports bodies like hockey, where players are starved of money and care, and facilities and training are sub-standard. India is glaring this in its face now and rightly we see both sides of the debate represented here.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 13:56 GMT)

I don't think so all our indian team player will able to run at least 5km a day...fitness is lacking to our indian mates..need to improve...look at yuvraj,rohit ,yousuf ...all these have faaaat not muscle......i know with out muscle also we can play but cant run between the wicket... What Sunil Gav saying correct they need practive as well in NCA and also on slow pitches...

Posted by cric-rock on (May 14, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

I think if India can take it positively, and improve their technique against short balls, it will serve greater purpose than winning a cup and still remaining susceptible to short balls for the rest of the time.

I also think that Pakistan and India should produce fast and bouncy pitches. In Pakistan we have always had great fast bowlers, yet we would still produce flat pitches to my amazement. I think batsmen in Indo/pak should have less of a say in pitch preparations; only then would they learn to cope with the tougher stuff.

Posted by hunksurat on (May 14, 2010, 13:54 GMT)

I absolutely with Gavaskar sir. No doubt they should be sent to NCA. But I was just wondering if this shortcoming was discovered just in this WC. Its really funny that we keep faltering in same area time and again and best the part is we keep giving lame excuses. Forget about short bowling we are not even comfortable against quality bowling. Look at yousuf pathan, he can pelter dibly dobly bowlers or domestic fast bowlers outside the park but his favorite shots against quality fast bowler is straight up in air above the wicket keeper or in 30 yard circle. Another most important issue pointed out by some is serious lack of quality bowlers. After so much of bantering for poor batting what about pathetic bowling performance. Most of the matches in WC have been won because of excellent bowling. For our bowlers we need atleast 180-200 runs to defend and that too is not an assurance. Thats the saga of money rich cricket nation with no quality in either Batting or bowling department

Posted by TwitterJitter on (May 14, 2010, 13:47 GMT)

Gavaskar is right. Blaming IPL was a convenient excuse. But then I predicted this team would flop immediately after the selection was made. Here are my reasons. 1. To start with they are not Australia where they had a lot of history winning ICC tournaments. So most of the expectations were hyped anyway. They only won WC in 1983 and 2007 when no one expected. 2. Poor Fielding. Fielding is more attitude and commitment and some like Nehra, Mishra, Ojha, Sehwag and Gambhir are plain bad. 3. Bad quality pace attack. Zaheer, Nehra, Praveen, and Vinay quartet would probably be ranked 10th among teams in this tournament. 4. Plain bad selection even among the lot. Yuvraj is still living off of Broad's 2007 memory but more than that is physically unfit and has a tummy that looks like a 6 month pregnant woman. Gambhir is out of form. Pathan as usual can only score in IPL. Raina, Dhoni, and Rohit were okay with a bat. Jadeja has a "looser" written all over his head and he did not even play in IPL.

Posted by mork on (May 14, 2010, 13:47 GMT)

its not an issue indians r good at short balls look in 2007 world cup maxmum sixes were hit off short balls...i don agree..dhoni cant do anything here..i agree with kirsten rather than gavaskar..but the selection committee is to be banned...three reasons india lost when compared the teams that r and going to reach final... 1: attacking start with the bat..for eng-lumb and kieswttr,aus watson&warnerbut fr india test batsmen vijay-all single digit scores..lack of well talented opener even we hd good opnrs in dmstc crct..2:depending on aged bowlers keeping out well proved young bowlers in domstic crct as they doesnt belong to TN 3;selection of few wasted players not fit fr any int crct as said by gary...

Posted by newborn on (May 14, 2010, 13:38 GMT)

These over-ego'd cricketers will not learn even if they are send to the NCA. Look at the attitude of players like Yuvraj. They dont have to look too far into the past to find Indian batsmen who can play short balls. Sehwag, Dravid, Laxman and Sachin-- all are still playing. I am sure in various camps they would have met them. They dont understand how lucky and privileged they are to play and represent India- to be hailed as heroes. These guys should be send to a training camp at Kargil or put on the spot where Maoists are. Yes, I am a pi**ed off fan. There is no point in blaming Dhoni-- he can only do with what he was given. Blaming IPL parties-- YOU ARE GETTING PAID FOR IT. Every profession has its merits and demerits-- its upto you to choose what you want-- GROW UP!! and @Sachin:- Stop covering for these underperforming egotistic players... they are not worth it. Ban Yuvraj for his attitude. Send Yusuf Pathan back to cricket kindergarden. Oh- almost... All hail Kris Srikkanth!

Posted by khmayecha on (May 14, 2010, 13:38 GMT)

Mistake No. 1 - It is absolute folly to select a national player on the basis of his iPL performance. Robin Uthappa lost out over M Vijay. Vijay had the support of his IPL captain and his IPL Brand Ambassador who happens to be a selector of the National Side. Mistake no. 2 - It is upto the BCCI to stop all unnecessary distractions. A young teenager would go to any party - its the parents duty to stop it if it is harmful. BCCI is a shirker.... Mistake No.3 - Some of Dhoni's tactical errors - this should be accepted in the best spirits if he was not sleepy while working his strategies. Mistake No.4 - Get all the women out of the commentary box and the vicinity of the players and officials. If we cannot do without them let them "cook" for the players rather than "hook" players. Remedy: All the players must be made to requalify for the Indian Team from the grassroot level. This will really add value to domestic tourneys. Sachin exempted as all Gods are.

Posted by cricketavatar on (May 14, 2010, 13:36 GMT)

I am really wondered why you people are not commenting on the seeding and point distributing system of the tournament? The team which has won two in their group matches has named as second and they would played in the tight group of the Super 8. Ridiculous! Past is past....they should not give any seeding acccording to their last tournament match.This kind of seeding and point system is not meant for cricket's future only for it's destruction

Posted by VishyWish on (May 14, 2010, 13:30 GMT)

The problem is more than visiting/practising at NCA. The quality of our domestic cricket, IPL, pitches should change. We cannot fix this age-old problem merely in a year. We should look at producing quality batsman in future. Even now the likes of Raina and Rohit played well. Groom such players and even some under 14's. The likes of Jmmy Amarnath who played some of his finest innings against Windies at their peak and SG, DB, GRV, MZ should form a panel to groom players. We need a greater plan.

Posted by mragendrakumarverma on (May 14, 2010, 13:26 GMT)

I think it is unfair to blame boys.Its india if you do well you are great else you are down to ground zero.In my opinion we could reschedule IPL in month of December.WC is held in May.Let players take a month gap and go playing Major tournaments like WCT20.Playing IPL has given Indian Talent but they excel only in Indian Pitches and big showdown on foreign pitches where you need to encounter SHortpitch balls directed over WAist high.Lets us create if possible same kind of pitches in India in certain regions and see how they fare at those pitches.Its a wake up call. Need to do it as quickly as possibly for Indian Cricket

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 13:24 GMT)

I don't care much about "hit-and-giggle" games but what about future Indian Test cricket after Sachin, Dravid and Laxman retire? Can we atleast win a testmatch leave alone testseries abroad with these players? I am deeply concerned!

Posted by fudgys11 on (May 14, 2010, 13:23 GMT)

How can anyone think of Gavaskar teaching them how to play short bowling ? This legend had a fantastic technique to avoid short bowling and that is what is not required in T20. You are required to score off them . Copybook cricket is only for 1 dayers and Test matches, where you can afford to leave such deliveries. Here you require Instinctive Hooker/Pullers the kind of which we never had. Therefore we have to devise our own ways to tackle them by making bowlers bowl from 20/18 yards and them making them practice. Our Great Lions were like Lambs out there. Now everybody is giving rubbish excuses of IPL. Remember the same IPL players from other teams are doing wonderfully well for their teams. Only Indians are unable to make ther adjustment . PAPER TIGERS......

Posted by anil80 on (May 14, 2010, 13:23 GMT)

send gavaskar to nimhans he is gone mad

Posted by anil80 on (May 14, 2010, 13:22 GMT)

send gavaskar to nimhans he is gone mad

Posted by IPL_is_Thrash on (May 14, 2010, 13:19 GMT)

No way Team India could be sent to NCA. They are not even fit to play Galli Cricket. Team India and BCCI is madly focussed on Stupid, Rubbish, Non-Sense, Obsolete, Commercial event IPL, which is selling 6s and 4s on Lifeless Pitches. IPL-Mad Team India lacks Skill, Inspiration, Motivation, Hunger, Determination and Fitness to play International or Test Cricket on lively Pitches. Curators, Commentators and BCCI Officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is not thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in International Tournaments. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch at International level on lively pitches, unlike IPL Teams which looks like club cricket and played on lifeless pitches.

Posted by joseyesu on (May 14, 2010, 13:17 GMT)

Throw zak out bring back tyagi, dinda,ojha,ashwin,vinay,sangwan. Atleast the opposition might take 1 over to predict their bowling Keep a minimum of 4 standard bowlers for one day and also 20-20. Give yuvraj a good rest. Bring kohli,pandey.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 13:17 GMT)

i m totally agree with sunil gavaskar. All the indian players should go to NCA.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 13:13 GMT)

Nothing wrong with Dhoni! He just ran out options.Batsmen can take short balls,Bowlers can't take wickets.What can he do then give his gloves karthik and bowl himself!?It has been a time since I saw genuine fast bowler last has been Srinath I guess!

Posted by gracegift on (May 14, 2010, 13:12 GMT)

MSD is a really good leader. The board would be taking a step back if he is removed. These cricketers schedules need to be changed. They should play the domestic cricket season to strengthen the next batch of cricketers. Less of frivolous matches(or let the juniors play them). Have a shorter IPL. To punish errant cricketers, send them to pak for a month and have them face Akhtar and co from 18 yards.

Posted by Nampally on (May 14, 2010, 13:10 GMT)

India was weak in all departments of the game. First focus should be on physical fitness and agility. Every cricketer playing for India should have at least 7 second 60 Metres. The players should be taught to throw the ball in the baseball style - fast & low on the target from the outfield. Each player must comply with the standard weight for their age & height. Once these standards are met the next objective is developing good bowlers who can maintain consistent length and can bowl to the field placing. Let us face it - India's bowling was the worst - neither good pace or spin bowlers who can keep the runs down. India needs 3 good pace bowlers + at least 2 steady spin bowlers. Lastly, Indian batsmen should learn to deal with the short fast paced balls suitably. Most important thing for the Selectors is never to pick jaded players but only those who have a winning - Never say die- attitude. Captain should also talk about winning not produce excuses as to why they cannot Win.

Posted by subram54 on (May 14, 2010, 13:09 GMT)

As a member of the governing council of IPL Shri Sunil Gavaskar should have ensured that some sportive wickets wee prepared for the IPL Tournament thereby ensuring that our younger playes got a chance to improve their skills against different fast bowlers of the world playing in the tournament. Instead what we had was low and slow wickets in the IPL whichonly helped palyers outside the Asian zone to improve their skills against spinners in helpful conditions. Though Shri Sunil Gaaskar has been a legendary figure he and Ravi Shastry have gone out of the way to propagate the IPL which everyone will agree has certianly be a cause for India's dismal show.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 12:59 GMT)

Mr Gavaskar. I see your point in sending players to NCA. However I am not really sure if its going to work. Since handling short ball in a crunch match situation is different to the nets as I learnt from the best cricket analysts like you. I would suggest these players get the same sort of surface to play competitive cricket day in day out. I am sure you would agree the Australians and Englishmen have an advantage since they lure us to become batsman, FAST bowlers, spinners, all rounders. Sir now tell me honestly if you were 16 something seeing the batting friendly surfaces in India would you consider all of the above or just batting. I would prefer batting since bowling in a test means 600+ for sure and 2 days on the field. Handling short stuff and toughness is very much in our players but when they are faced with unknown they falter as would Australians eg: 2004 Mumbai's square turner pitch. Aussies complained then, actually there batsmen weren't good enough. I support my Team India

Posted by howizzat on (May 14, 2010, 12:57 GMT)

What was Sunny's NCA doing last year when India lost out in a similar fashoin in WC T20 and same problem of rising deleveries were raised? Its ridiculous to say that the parties didnt affect the performances. Finish the game at 11pm, attend the parties late night, getting suffocated with the paid fans, then catch the early morning flight..is this not too much. During your days even wives were not allowed on foreign tours, sunny, forget partying.Only I can agree with you is that in T20 form only on the given day counts, but again you are wrong in saying IPL gave them more practice. Because after playing 14 games on the flat tracks suddenly you are putting them on lively Barbados! Dhoni had taken wrong decisions in last T20 and is continuing to do so in this WC as well but wheather the coach, Kirsten is aparty to it or not I dont know. So T20 India, certainly needs overhauling and a make- over. And for that the captain need to be replaced. But in ODI and the TESTS, DHONI IS THE BEST.

Posted by jacobmeshack on (May 14, 2010, 12:46 GMT)

MSD shouldn't be adamant on matters that may affect the team performance; BCCI should clearly have to control and implement strict selection procedures based on recent performance of player and his adaptability to the playing condition of any tournament. In fact BCCI has hand of full of jobs to do… they wish they work like a army unit ready to capture a enemy territory…meaning even before sending their men on field, a technical core group SHOULD DO A RECCE. And also each player's strength has to evaluated, those strengths, which ONLY match the opportunities of the playing pitch & environment, should be selected. Encourage Cricket in RURAL India, create more fast blowers.

Posted by drallion on (May 14, 2010, 12:39 GMT)

While I agree with Gavaskar on the next immediate approach, I also see the need for instilling some discipline amongst all cricketers regardless of the self-proclaimed status -senior or junior. We also must learn to accept some frank opinions like those from Greg Chappel and now Gary Kirsten. We lack self discipline and a professional approach like the kind one sees in the Aussies and now the new-look England players. This shortcoming/deficiency is in all walks of life - driving on the road, not following a queue at any normal place, and acting like a politician to be treated first at the cost of fellow citizens.

Posted by Srinino1 on (May 14, 2010, 12:24 GMT)

It happened in the last T20 world cup too. Its not bouncers but the mindset that is the problem. Why did the team not prepare for this barrage of bouncers?? They are more keen on IPL, parties and ads. No time to correct technique or improve fitness. I am an avid cricket lover and play when work and family permit. Currently over 40. Four years back during a weekend match my poor fitness stared me in my face and I was woeful. Since that day I have worked hard. I bowl 4-5 overs without getting tired at all and in 4 years have not dropped a single catch. At over 40, I am THE BEST FIELDER on the ground!!!! Then why cant Yuvraj, Zaheer, Rohit, etc. get fit. This is frustrating.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 12:15 GMT)

Don blame the IPL, says it's governing councillor, haha what a load of non-sense.

Posted by Dubby49 on (May 14, 2010, 12:14 GMT)

The batsmen have been criticised and rightly for their inability to play the short stuff. However, the fact that India has no pace bowler capable of delivering consistently over 140 k has been glossed over. With all the stats available, can someone post the average speeds of the top three (never mind that Australia and SA play five) fast bowlers in each team. Omit the deliberate slower balls.

The team had no balance as none of the "all rounders" were seamers unlike the other teams. All our batsmen who can tun their arms over bowl slow stuff.

Posted by CricEshwar on (May 14, 2010, 12:14 GMT)

Though I am not for it, there is a definite situation where one will find drastic changes being made to the team. One can have attitude, not complacency, attitude wears well only if there is an output, otherwise the player can only end up as a fool. Also one should agree that, we all feel the urge to comment on these players only because they have a lot riding on them and we feel that they should be responsible for what they get. Well, they didn't ask for it, they are getting because people thought they deserve them. They are human at the end of the day and poor chaps exposed weakness is being exploited for which they have not found a solution. It is not about facing the short ball, but about attacking them. That will have to wait. What IPL has done was, it has given power to the player which a few youngsters might be misusing it, well they are still 'youngsters' who learn better sooner than later. Some action is mandatory for non-performers as in any industry.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 12:08 GMT)

Team India should really learn to play the short balls. Being at international level, there is no such excuses. The selector Srikanth is very particular of getting Tamil Nadu players in the team. You cannot choose a player who has played well for couple of seasons. There was no point in selecting Murali Vijay, who failed in T20 WC. Instead, chances could have been given to Uthappa, Kohli, Irfan Pathan. Yusuf Pathan is absolute waste at international level. He has not performed at the international level at all, then what is the use of he being in the team? Sack Kris Srikanth and get in a selector who selects the team for INDIA.

Yes players should be sent to NCA and learn to play short pitch balls with the presence of Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Sachin Tendulkar. Bowling unit also needs to be improved. Vinay Kumar grabbed the opportunity, but that was too late for the team. Dhoni should have had confidence on Vinay and played him in couple more matches.

Posted by Ambalite on (May 14, 2010, 11:57 GMT)

The problem began with the wrong team selection - M Vijay, Gambhir,jadeja,zaheer,nehra,piyush chawla.....none of them is a 20-20 player. Selectors should pick horses for courses. 20-20.....need players who can exploit conditions in a short spurt of time, are excellent fielders ( as there r no hiding spots in 20-20...not even fine leg, third man or mid off-u'll be exposed), and can run hard between the wickets. With this team, it felt like they were tired, didn't play as a unit and then on top of that, selection dramas....jadeja picked up for a game against Windies. If you can not play a 20-20 with 7 batsmen then you probably don't need to be in the game. Field placements....no innovations. Bowling overs....Why did Dhoni pick Jadeja and Raina at wrong times....any other bowler probably wd have got the similar treatment but why try those who will definitely be hit...that too against players like Gayle, Watson. No pace variations for the bowlers....no yorkers....no brains. DISAPPOINTING

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 11:57 GMT)

Sunil Gavaskar is not blaming the IPL or the parties for India's debacle. Well, that sums it up. Money before country :)

Posted by srinuvardhineni on (May 14, 2010, 11:57 GMT)

indians looked sloppy on field. IPL did all damage to the team. They failed to perform together. The need of hour is Give them enough rest.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 11:51 GMT)

in most cases players from countries other than India benifited /horned their skill of pace bowling in MRF Pace Foundation Madras.the reason is our players lack dicipline and hard work.Even Pakistan Board had the guts to dump some of the established stahe rs who were found wanting in dicipline and selected a side in which bearing a few rest of the players are less experienced but who have the determination to work hard and do the best.Our players lack even fundamentals say like Dhoni & Yosuf going for the catch at the same time resulting in both of them collluding and droping the catch.One could have said" it is mine, leave it to me" and could have gone for the catch.I talk about the match wih Windies.The person benifited and pounded Indian bowlers -non other than Chris Gayle.Yes Dhoni made a few costly mistakes. It does not mean we can dump him since we cannot create a captain like Richi Benaud or Steve Waugh and even Saurav Ganguly overnight.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 11:41 GMT)

If All cricket lovers renew their memory V can easily say that Sachin is playing since'89 &SG,RD, AK & ....... in this order Veerus have been playing for India for more than10 years.Our team played with gavaskar as a player & as a BIG bro.When India has become No.1 in tests, only in 2009.Well not taking any credit away from all previous greats can anyone answer me plz why now only late as now in 09.In tests India is no.1 ,in ODI V R No.II. We have defeated SL in SL ,NZ in NZ, WI in WI only in last 2 to3 years ,what was happening earlier.Why cud they not achieve before!!!!!! Its bcoz of MSD and his leadership.remember that veeru was not playing in many of the matches in these 3 yrs so Are others,I commented that CSK have won IPLIII MSD'll have @ pay for it.Because these people can't digest the success of boys from the smaller towns.Even media doesn't like it.

Posted by ashy16in_ on (May 14, 2010, 11:38 GMT)

Dhoni is the best bet for captaincy but he has to lead from the front with the bat and improve his strike rate in the T20 format. He cannot bat in the ODI mode when he bats in T20s. Unlike ODIs where he can afford to get his eye in before upping the ante, he has to be aggressive right from the start in T20s.

Posted by Vasanth2511 on (May 14, 2010, 11:37 GMT)

i think sunny is right...he is the only person who can speak about this topic...the only person in the world who had faced shrt balls from the really pacy wwindies without wearing helmet........

Posted by kamal_mmb on (May 14, 2010, 11:26 GMT)

First Team has to change their attitude. If we start with the Spinner in power play overs - this is openly says our Fast bowlers are not capable to take the wickets, minimize the runs in first 6 overs. They says batting is our strength - after the early exit of T20 WC - what they are going to say now. They are keep on finding the reasons. What is the use of Jadeja in no.8 position. What he is going to do in No.8. Instead of him , if we taken a Front line spinner (Ojha) - the story would be different. Take the case of Yusuf Pathan - what he has done for Indian cricket until now. Nothing. If IPL he wl' give everything. Yuvraj - you can openly see his body language from IPL - why the selectors still stick on with him. He is not shown any interest on field. His batting & fielding efforts going down day by day. Selectors pls. think the future.

Posted by CricketMaan on (May 14, 2010, 11:23 GMT)

What a Joke! that too from a legend..for one the players dont have time as they hop from one meaningless tour to another, secondly NCA is the worst place to go and train..

Posted by yatz31 on (May 14, 2010, 11:23 GMT)

When will the BCCI wake up and realize what is going on? Surely you do not have to be Einstein to realize that certain indian players will never be good at playing fast, rising deliveries unless they are exposed to it. Players like Tendulkar and Dravid are exceptional players who have proven track records on fast surfaces. Why are they so good at playing quik bowling? Because they are professional at what they do- and that means identifying any weaknesess, working on them, adjusting minor things and working hard to get the right result. They are workhorses- everyone knows that. The majority of indian batsman will never be good at the short pitched ball unless they are exposed- by creating fast wickets that resemble concrete. You dont even need to face a quick bowler to learn how to play short picthed deliveries. Use a machine!! The cricket system is pathetic in India, theres no quality to the cricket and until it's fixed, India will never learn their lessons!

Posted by gauravkajaria on (May 14, 2010, 11:21 GMT)

Sunny is bound by his IPL contracts so it is not surprising for him to condone the IPL.I guess MONEY RULES!! Were the selectors blind or plain dumb to choose some one like Yusuf Pathan who CANNOT play quality fast bowling or M Vijay or Ravindra Jadeja????

Posted by RogerC on (May 14, 2010, 11:20 GMT)

@Sharz: Very good points on playing short pitch bowling. When did we see Gavaskar or Tendulkar or Dravid hooking a short pitch ball? In tests or one-dayers, they simply duck to the short pitch ball as there is no pressure. In T20, one has to play shots on the short pitch ball and that is where the problem is. Even Gavaskar or Tendulkar would struggle if they have to hook every short pitched delivery.

Posted by karthikarmyphysio on (May 14, 2010, 11:19 GMT)

I sometimes wonder if the players / BCCI would focus on the fitness arena. Let metell you something, i work for the UK Army as a specialised Musculoskeletal physiotherapist. I've been a great fan of Indian Cricket. I don't know how they train. Apparently it is not just good enough to posses the good techniques in either batting or bowling / fielding. It is alos important to have the physical longivity and endurance to stay competitively longer in the game. How many bowlers in our indian team has undergone specific personalised technique analysis and individual muscle group (using EEMG / Motion detectors etc) analysis with their bowling. It is just not merely enough to keep blindly training them on the nets or in the Gym without a specific focus. I have closely watched the Aussies play and you can tell how hard they have trained or rather i should say intelligently too. Interestingly, the England is going towards similar approach. I love the Indian Team, and guys train smart!!!

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 11:18 GMT)

In my opinion,BCCI is responsible for all these mess.Yes,BCCI officials can say that they dont play at ground.But,The hell is they select team,they dictate all terms to players and selection committe.Because,BCCI is headed by all POLITICIANS and BUSINESS TYCOONS and not by CRICKET pundits or players.Just sack the BCCI and Other Indian game Chiefs,all will be well for INdia. Gavaskar sir is fully right.These players sud be sent to NCA for training,who cannt handle shortpitch bowls. We indian public are fools,who waste their whole day sitting before TV and losing our team.Our heart breaks.But,se these players,they do only smile and thinking fool of us. I suggest,give whole authority of cricket to people like Gavaskar sir,Kapil Paaji ,Ravi shastri etc.And all must be well.

Posted by Vnod_Pllai on (May 14, 2010, 11:17 GMT)

I agree with SMG on his first comment regarding the IPL night parties. It was a rediculous excuse made by Dhoni. But I do not agree with SMG on his view regarding Doni's captaincy. Dhoni has not done his best as SMG said rather he could have done lot better than he actually did. Obviously he did well in his early days as captain and now Dhoni is taking everything for granted. Even guys like me who never played cricket at higher level [I'm a great follower of cricket for the past 20 years or so though] was surprised at Dhoni's tactics many times not only in this world cup. Dhoni made as many mistakes as he could starting from the team selection to decisions after winning tosses, bowling changes, batting orders, many on-field decisions etc. I hate calling him cool captain as he feels pressure as anyone else do and that reflects in his decisions and affects his batting at times as well. His job is easy when guys like Sehwag and Tendulkar around as they win matches more often than not.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 11:14 GMT)

Indian team have so many problem. Now BCCI is going to replace dhoni from captaincy. It's not because of lossing T20 WC. It's because he commented about MONEY MAKING IPL. In few days KIRSTEN also be changed. Now he is counting his days, because he commented about IPL.

ha ha ha. Total country is screwing why not cricket. take it as game, its not the war between the country. After this T20 WC controversy Again we will look forward for next T20WC.

Players are all not fit, See YUVI has (how much) big belly, Thats like BEAM.

Posted by Vikki_for_cricket on (May 14, 2010, 11:12 GMT)

Yeah! He is quite right in his remark..they all looked like silly gully cricketers with bouncers with some pace..rather they were pretty funny the way they played them. but again, i stil find him defending IPL. Afterall he is a member of it..Make it of 94 matches from next year,as it is planned with compulsory late night parties,smoking,drinking and see the magic! We wil stil beat the afganistan, m sure

Posted by Vikki_for_cricket on (May 14, 2010, 11:08 GMT)

Yeah! He is quite right in his remark..they all looked like silly gully cricketers with bouncers with some pace..rather they were pretty funny the way they played them. but again, i stil find him defending IPL. Afterall he is a member of it..Make it of 94 matches from next year,as it is planned with compulsory late night parties,smoking,drinking and see the magic! We wil stil beat the afganistan, m sure

Posted by RogerC on (May 14, 2010, 10:55 GMT)

Practicing against short pitch bowling would be good, but the primary reason for India's bad performance was their bowling. While other teams defended 140 successfully, India couldn't defend 160 a few times. Against Australia, Srilanka scored 80 something, WestIndies scored 100 something, but India scored a lot higher and still lost. That is not bad batting, but bad bowling from India. India needs to look more at their bowling than their short pitch batting skills.

Posted by shrastogi on (May 14, 2010, 10:50 GMT)

Where as I agree on NCA stint for players it can be implemented only when there is time before important tournaments where nature of pitches is known. That is why a gap between IPL and important tournaments is needed. What I dont agree to is the assesment that IPL doesnt cause exhaustion to players. It is not just the party, the combination of match play pressure, travel and party throughout is bound to cause stress which needs time to recover hence a gap of about 20-30 days is needed. It is not just India , look at SA- in the last match against Pakistan they had all 11 players who have played in IPL. England had just 4 and SL 5 main players in IPL. Aussies do have more but they played only in second half. So IPL is tiring for players. I would also agree on continuation with Dhoni as captain. India has inveted in him for past 3 years as captain hence he should stay at least till world cup. He did make mistakes in this T-20 world cup but he is our best bet.

Posted by beingsharih on (May 14, 2010, 10:47 GMT)

Many Indian greats have not played T20. They have played test and ODIs where short balls targetted at the Indian batsmen could have been left. Dot balls in Tests and ODIs do not matter much but in T20 batsmen have to go for their shots if even two balls go for dot. Doing so they lose wickets. So we cannot say that past greats were great players of short stuffs as they did not face they challenge of scoring at every ball. Leaving few was okay for them. This is not the case with T20. So stop criticising the lads. I know we have lost and its a pain but we need to take it in our stride and move on. What would the third seamer do at K Oval when even big guns Like ZAK and Nehra went for runs. It was a right call to field as we are cab=pable fo chasing any target and more so Indian seamers did not have the zip to use the early seaming conditions. MSD made blunders in 3 matches but that doesnt make him a bad skipper at all. A skipper is a skipper. B it CSK or India, his intellect remains same

Posted by Chairtruck on (May 14, 2010, 10:36 GMT)

India are by no means the best team in world cricket. When they manage to beat SA, Aus and Eng in Tests in those respective countries then they will be the best. They are brought up on flat wickets and the youngsters in the team are used to this. Gautum Gambhir is nothing when he's not playing in India

Posted by SachinIsIndianCricket on (May 14, 2010, 10:31 GMT)

I don't think coaching against the short ball would resolve the issue. India has plenty of issues to resolve. India also lack of quality bowlers. I think the senior bowlers are now taking their place granted. T20 don't need experience. Vinay performed well against Srilanka compared to Nehra and Bhaji. Its time to identify quality bowlers that India is lagging to find for so many years.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 10:26 GMT)

Indeed, Mr. Gavaskar is very right. In fact, I think, the players in our team who have had problems tackling the short ball should borrow a bit of work ethic from Mr. Gavaskar himself who opened for India in an era where India had peanuts to return the fire against the likes of Marshall, Garner, Thompson, Lillie,Imran & Willis. When he practised for hours on a matting wicket with a wet tennis ball, why can't our current crop of cricketers? Instead they are blaming the system and the IPL. As the famous saying goes... When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Come on India, you can only improve form here.

Posted by Sriram_Krishnamurthy on (May 14, 2010, 10:20 GMT)

Sunny Gavaskar has realised this only today. I think we should have taken corrective measures after we got bounced out in the T20 WC last year. Why can't we be proactive and why should we wait for a defeat to wake us up from our deep slumber? As far MSD's captaincy goes, yeah it is too early to even think of replacing him with someone else.

Posted by willybagz on (May 14, 2010, 10:05 GMT)

I say fire the current indian squad and bring in new, better talent from the indian domestic league. Right now we have got a coach who is too afraid to bench senior players because of their popularity and BCCI who is lazy to do anything about this, well you can't blame BCCI they are still counting all the money they made from IPL, cmon guys you can't expect the BCCI to multi-task its either making money or looking after the quality of cricket in India you can't expect both. If the current squad is fired India will cry for a few days, then they will get over it. In the long run India will appreciate the new talent. why keep wasting money on old, untalented players when you can use that money to bring in younger, more talented players. In my opinion dont send them to NCA fire them, its just good business.

Posted by nallavan01 on (May 14, 2010, 10:03 GMT)

Well NCA or not.... Indian players need some heavy rest..... they are damn tired and there is absolutely no energy in reserves for them.... let them take rest and thn lets decide how we can go abt training them or kicking them out of the team....

Dhoni is the captain of India till date and the BCCI shud accept its mistake and not ask Dhoni to step down or do something detrimental for the team's organization.... This advise from gavaskar cud have come much earlier had anyone from BCCI understood the bouncy and skiddy nature of the tracks in WI..... nothing is lost yet... only WC t20 2010.... there are many left to achieve..... lets start planning now for a possible future like the aussies did in the late 60's and 70's ... wake up BCCI or you might end up sleeping for ever.....

Posted by CricketRealist77 on (May 14, 2010, 10:01 GMT)

India need to do more than train at NCA (this is only a short term solution) they need to face short pitch bowling all the time so Indian players are comfortable with bouncy pitches-INDIA UPDATE UR PITCHES... slow and low pitches make for boring cricket -we want a contest between bat and ball that is how u make a stronger India.

Posted by Zahidsaltin on (May 14, 2010, 9:59 GMT)

Much in these WC losses can be contributed to Mr. Dhoni's team choices and bad decisions on the field. He is not a limited overs captain. Sehwag could be a very good choice as he is a "thinking crickter".

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:48 GMT)

First of all the Indian team should sent to primary cricket coaching camps...to get some catch practises...hu..hu..hu..

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:43 GMT)

That's right. Don't blame IPL. Don't blame contractually mandated parties. Don't blame the schedule that does leaves no room for practice in foreign conditions. Don't blame doctored pitches and overdose of sub-standard cricket that ruins their game quality. In fact, don't blame anything where BCCI and senior cricketers are making money. The players who get paid so much and get so much love attention should be fully responsible despite corrupt conditions created for them. That makes sense!

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:40 GMT)

Uttppa was playing so well even for short balls, still its a mystery for me whey he wasn't taken for tea????

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:36 GMT)

This is valid that our guys should be brought on to NCA and train them how to play short balls. Also, I agree with Sunny that At this point of time, we cannot replace Mahi which is a poor decision if the BCCI takes. He has done exceedingly well for India and we can't just remove him for one tournament.

Posted by ZEUS00 on (May 14, 2010, 9:35 GMT)

Gavaskar with his vast experience playing successfully on some of the fastest, most unpredictable pitches in the world could be an excellent source of guidance for the current Indian players. Mohinder Amarnath would be another magnificent coach as well. He was thrilling to watch against the West Indies, cutting, hooking, pulling like a master. Players like Gambhir with all their so called fiery, aggressive on-field approach and antics, unfortunately, end up looking silly and embarrassed when they get bounced out like amateur cricketers. Dhoni still seems to be the best person to captain India though, sure it was a shoddy performance from the team, but it will be grossly unfair to put the entire blame on him.

Posted by vatsap on (May 14, 2010, 9:31 GMT)

Good suggestion. But why wasn't this done the last time. Let the BCCI also get some of our former cricketers who actually would do some work in NCA. Not an honourary Chairman Ravi Shastri, who has other committments more important. We will need people who can work with the cricketers and not give sound bytes. Bishan Bedi, Prasanna, Venkat, Robin Singh, Venkatesh Prasad, Jimmy Amarnath would be a good start. Might even help to get Greg Chappel back. Unfortunately our cricketers would prefer not to listen to the candid feedback they would get from Guru Greg or even Bishan Bedi.

Posted by rahul_studd on (May 14, 2010, 9:30 GMT)

Not only the Indian cricket team should join the NCA but even the selectors also should take advice from experts pundit likes of ravi shashtri sunny gavaskar sanjay manjrekar etc

Posted by TeAm_InDiA_Harsh on (May 14, 2010, 9:24 GMT)

This is not only a harsh comment but BCCI must take it seriously and send all the players to NCA because they were all over the place when saw balls falling short.

DHONI's comment was not at all an execuse i guess. But at certain extent that is also the truth.

Players must be given some lesson to get back on track.

Posted by   on (May 14, 2010, 9:16 GMT)

India Will keep losing Until we get quality Bowlers.....

Posted by NISH67 on (May 14, 2010, 9:13 GMT)

As arguably the best player of fast bowling that India has ever produced , who better than the legendary Sunny to advocate a solution to the predicament faced by modern day Indian batsman against the short ball !

Posted by lijihas on (May 14, 2010, 9:00 GMT)

I thinkfo Dhoni, this is the best time to retire the captiancy from 20-20.give chances for new youngesters..give t20 for young guys...... why we are keeping yuvi,gautam,yusuf in t20 ..wat they gave last two 20-20 world cup..yusuf he played pnly in IPL.not a single best performace we couldnt see for country.fileding was very shamful of indians.atlest learn from bangladesh.

Posted by rtom on (May 14, 2010, 8:52 GMT)

Now that Sunny Gavaskar has told this, Indian team SHOULD be sent to Bangalore and practice hard in NCA. Bring it on BCCI !!

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