Aftermath of India's exit June 15, 2009

Teams have worked India out - Rajput

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  • Erapalli Prasanna: "In a crucial tie like this, Dhoni shouldn't have put England in after winning the toss, it was a mistake. I don't think our batting order was right. Sending Jadeja ahead of Yuvraj and Dhoni himself was a mistake. Even Harbhajan could have given us the required thrust. We had the potential but the failure to handle pressure was the reason for our loss."
  • Syed Kirmani: "You have the talent and you are rated as favourites but this is what happens when you don't click. Sehwag's absence dented our prospects. In this format, the opening pair is required to give a good foundation for others to carry on but we didn't get that."
  • Arun Lal: "Sending Jadeja up the order smacked of overconfidence and defensiveness."
  • Madan Lal: "It is rather unfortunate: 154 was not a difficult target to chase. Dhoni gambled by putting England in first. Even I would have done that. Ours is a young and talented side but the intensity in performance that was expected from a team playing for India was not there."
  • VB Chandrashekhar: "Dhoni's strategy to make England bat first was wrong and picking Jadeja in place of Ojha was yet another mistake. I also feel Harbhajan Singh did not give his best in the match. The decision to send Jadeja up the order ahead of Yuvraj was also baffling because he had not played in the tournament. I think we were also over-dependent on Yuvraj. My analysis is that we would have been eliminated much earlier had he not performed."
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India will have to quickly come up with a new Twenty20 gameplan, particularly against the rising ball, to stay in the top bracket of the game's shortest format, Lalchand Rajput, who coached the 2007 cup-winning side, has warned. Rajput said the biggest difference between then and now is that other teams had caught up with India over the last two years, largely due to the experience their players have gained in the two IPL seasons since then.

Rajput described India's knockout from the ICC World Twenty20 on Sunday as "disheartening" and said the two straight defeats against West Indies and England in the Super Eights stage had "hurt a lot" personally. He also said that talk of a rift between Dhoni and an injured Virender Sehwag appeared to have affected the players and added that Sehwag's loss impacted the team's performance.

"Most of the teams have worked out what they need to do against India," Rajput told Cricinfo. "Just look at how West Indies and England worked on their bouncers against India. They did that very well because they knew that some of our players were not comfortable against the bouncing ball. They used that weapon very well, which is difficult to do in this format. So we should give credit to England and West Indies. Most of the foreign players in World Twenty20 have also played two seasons of IPL. So all the other teams have got a hang of Twenty20, and there's better planning in place this time on what should be done and what should not be. India will have to be watchful now and come up with something different."

Talk of a rift within the team did not help matters either, Rajput said. "Such issues play a bit of a role in the minds of the players," he said. "This time, to start with, there was talk of a rift between Viru [Sehwag] and Dhoni. Then the team got together to show their strength in front of the media. The media also had a role to play. These things were also causes for the team's performance."

Dhoni had lined up the entire team before the Indian media during a pre-tournament press conference following reports over a rift between the captain and his opening batsman. The reports suggested the captain was upset with Sehwag for not revealing the extent of his shoulder injury that finally ruled him out of the tournament - Dhoni has repeatedly denied this.

Sehwag's absence was a huge blow, Rajput said. "Sehwag's absence was definitely felt because he is a match-winner," he said. "He is a destroyer of bowling attacks. Once he gets going, the bowling looks so easy, and he puts so much pressure on the opposite team. His absence must have hurt the team."

Rajput, however, dismissed suggestions that mental fatigue and pressure might have contributed to the team's dismal performance. Gary Kirsten, the team's coach, and Dilip Vengsarkar, the former chief selector, had admitted last month that they were concerned about "mental fatigue" and "overkill" as the team had been on the road since February 20 when they left for the New Zealand tour followed by the IPL. "There will always be pressure, especially during a big event like the World Cup," Rajput said. "This time the expectations were very high. But we should not forget that the other teams have also come up very well. The fatigue factor has been the same for all teams because most of their players played in the IPL, except for the Australians."

Asked about Sunday's loss, India's second straight defeat in the Super Eights, Rajput said that not playing Yuvraj Singh at No. 4 was a mistake, especially after he had scored 67 off 43 balls in that position against West Indies on Friday.

"Decisions are analysed only after the team has done badly," he said. "But I would have preferred Yuvraj coming in at No. 4. That would have made a difference because he was in really good nick in the last game [against West Indies]. Of course, this is all in hindsight. But Ravindra Jadeja took a number of balls [25 off 35 balls] against England while Yuvraj could have done better and got going by then."

According to Rajput, the first step for India now is to beat South Africa, which has been the best team in the tournament so far. "The loss is past, and the team has to think about the present," Rajput said. "The team now has to focus on beating South Africa and salvage their pride. Remember, that we beat South Africa in the second stage of the 2007 World Cup. When you are out of a tournament, the body language goes down because they know that they can't qualify for the semi-finals. So this is the time they have to raise their body language, and start believing that they can beat the best team in the tournament, which is South Africa."

Rajput was India's coach for nearly a year from the England tour of 2007 till the Australia tour that ended with the VB series win in early 2008. He bridged the gap after the controversial exit of Greg Chappell in April 2007 and the arrival of Gary Kirsten in March 2008. India's Twenty20 World Cup win was the team's biggest achievement in that period when they travelled to South Africa, the venue, as rank outsiders without the burden of expectations.

Rajput said it was "different this time" but he still couldn't accept the fact that the defending champions had been knocked out so early. "It is a very disheartening experience," he said. "I can't take it because we won the title last time and I was looking forward to the team defending that title. What hurt me was the way we went out. I expected the team to qualify for the semi-finals at least. Going out in the Super Eights stage itself has hurt a lot. India didn't deserve to be out of the tournament because they were the favourites to win it."

Ajay Shankar is a deputy editor at Cricinfo

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  • nawabofcricket on June 17, 2009, 14:37 GMT

    India lost in the last 4 overs against England bcz Dhoni failed to rotate strike and have Y Pathan face majority of the balls instead he wasted balls and choked the run chase.

  • Saadi69 on June 16, 2009, 17:19 GMT

    It has been a great disappointment for alot of people that India is out of the tournament. Alot of people here were looking forward to the possibility of another India Pakistan thriller, but it wasnt to be. I feel one of the major reasons for the Indian team loosing to England was messing the batting order up by sending in Jadeja, whereas Yuvraj or Pathan would have been the better choice, Jadeja is a good player in his own right but the inexperience of playing at this level showed as well as playing in foreign conditions. A couple of darts down the leg side by Harbhajan which cost 10 runs (one of them should have been stopped) didnt help. As for the game against the West Indies there wasnt much they could do they were simply blown away by Lendl Simmons and Bravo with the bat although they managed a decent total with the help of Yuvraj.

  • gomugomu on June 16, 2009, 16:56 GMT

    I don't think it's fair to blame only dhoni, we failed as a team. However I suggest dhoni to learn some batting technique. Skipper of the defending world champions couldn't even hit a single decent boundary throughout the series. Forget this one how many series has it been since dhoni played a decent knock. Come on man...!!! harbhajan is batting way better than u. If rohit falls no hope of cashing power play...dhoni comes and plays " captain's innings ", it's T20 for god's sake. Still it's true, no one else can lead india better than u .But u have to earn the respect once again dhoni...

  • tanveers on June 16, 2009, 15:28 GMT

    India lost not because of short pitched deliveries. Come on, they were not playing for the first time in England. I think the major reason for their early exit from WC is "over confidence." Yes, over confidence! There has been so much hype about them and their Mr. Cool captain. Some of the players - like Ishant Sharma - are way over rated. And if a team has this mentality that they are the batting mights that can chase down any target - the problem starts right there. Dhoni is a good captain but lately luck had been on his side; his bad decisions were covered up with wins, therefore, nobody pointed them out. Not always you can ride on your luck. Making decision of playing himself at #3 & the sending Jadeja on #4 are clear indication that he was probably over confident that he can pull out a win in every and any case. Sorry, it does not happen like that. I think now is the time India should start focusing on playing competitive cricket rather than dreaming of being the #1 team!

  • cricpolitics on June 16, 2009, 14:38 GMT

    May be Mr. Lalit Moody should have two IPLs in a year to give more practice to Indian players. It's all Moody's fault and not Dhoni's.

  • TwitterJitter on June 16, 2009, 13:32 GMT

    People should give a break to Dhoni. He is the best captain we have got by many miles. The moment we put too much pressure on him is the moment he will stop using his insticts and go with standard vanilla tactics and that is when this team will start to look ordinary. He has been brilliant for India in the last two years and he needs to be given leverage to fail. The reason lesser known teams or underdogs perform better in this format is there is less pressure on them and that gives them the freedom to be bold and play freely. If you are uptight and nervous in this format of the game and put yourself under a lot of pressure to win in this format, you are bound to fail. Most of the time, the winners in this format are the underdogs.

  • Zain-ul-Abideen on June 16, 2009, 13:19 GMT

    I agree with Safiya even though I'm a pakistani fan but I also like watching India play. Dhoni is a brilliant captain Indian supporters should support him in this difficult time. He has brought many glorious victories to India beating some of the most greatest sides in the world.

  • shiby on June 16, 2009, 11:47 GMT

    When lost any match, search and found various reasons, but now India out from the S8. Obviously still few match winners inside the Team India, even absence of V Swevag. The real factor is, the batting line up not fixed as planed b4, it should be changeable at event of loosing wicket. As a test dose, y not sent H Singh/YPatan instead of Jadeja?

  • mubeenkemisaal on June 16, 2009, 11:02 GMT

    I agree with Lalchand Rajput,IPL have open by Team India's strenghts & weakness to the world.But there is nothing much in loosing hope or to critise players,luck did not favour this time as it does in times to lift Team India's spirit.Team India is one of the best in the world and they will bounce back for sure...!!

  • Ckt_Lover on June 16, 2009, 10:46 GMT

    sorry to say this as an indian, but the [[no.1 reason for this debacle is the untimely secheduling of the IPL]].did u see the indian players walk into the park?they looked like unenthusiastic office-go'ers walking into work, on a damned monday morning.(already wishing it was week-end.) did this not compound to the lack of improvisations while facing short balls?IPL is great,but the world stage is wat realy matters?shud we put our best players in grave injury and fatigue risks b4 a big international event?gosh, i remmbr reading Lalit Modi's thoughts on 2 IPL's an year, please please please don't by all means.first of all,learn how to manage one IPL without turning international schedules into a mockery.if you don't care abt national pride, pls do a favour for all of us indian spectators, please don't name them Team India.maybe, name them - "IPL T11" - for, "IPL Tired 11".that way, the name of my country wudn't have to be put in shame!!!

  • nawabofcricket on June 17, 2009, 14:37 GMT

    India lost in the last 4 overs against England bcz Dhoni failed to rotate strike and have Y Pathan face majority of the balls instead he wasted balls and choked the run chase.

  • Saadi69 on June 16, 2009, 17:19 GMT

    It has been a great disappointment for alot of people that India is out of the tournament. Alot of people here were looking forward to the possibility of another India Pakistan thriller, but it wasnt to be. I feel one of the major reasons for the Indian team loosing to England was messing the batting order up by sending in Jadeja, whereas Yuvraj or Pathan would have been the better choice, Jadeja is a good player in his own right but the inexperience of playing at this level showed as well as playing in foreign conditions. A couple of darts down the leg side by Harbhajan which cost 10 runs (one of them should have been stopped) didnt help. As for the game against the West Indies there wasnt much they could do they were simply blown away by Lendl Simmons and Bravo with the bat although they managed a decent total with the help of Yuvraj.

  • gomugomu on June 16, 2009, 16:56 GMT

    I don't think it's fair to blame only dhoni, we failed as a team. However I suggest dhoni to learn some batting technique. Skipper of the defending world champions couldn't even hit a single decent boundary throughout the series. Forget this one how many series has it been since dhoni played a decent knock. Come on man...!!! harbhajan is batting way better than u. If rohit falls no hope of cashing power play...dhoni comes and plays " captain's innings ", it's T20 for god's sake. Still it's true, no one else can lead india better than u .But u have to earn the respect once again dhoni...

  • tanveers on June 16, 2009, 15:28 GMT

    India lost not because of short pitched deliveries. Come on, they were not playing for the first time in England. I think the major reason for their early exit from WC is "over confidence." Yes, over confidence! There has been so much hype about them and their Mr. Cool captain. Some of the players - like Ishant Sharma - are way over rated. And if a team has this mentality that they are the batting mights that can chase down any target - the problem starts right there. Dhoni is a good captain but lately luck had been on his side; his bad decisions were covered up with wins, therefore, nobody pointed them out. Not always you can ride on your luck. Making decision of playing himself at #3 & the sending Jadeja on #4 are clear indication that he was probably over confident that he can pull out a win in every and any case. Sorry, it does not happen like that. I think now is the time India should start focusing on playing competitive cricket rather than dreaming of being the #1 team!

  • cricpolitics on June 16, 2009, 14:38 GMT

    May be Mr. Lalit Moody should have two IPLs in a year to give more practice to Indian players. It's all Moody's fault and not Dhoni's.

  • TwitterJitter on June 16, 2009, 13:32 GMT

    People should give a break to Dhoni. He is the best captain we have got by many miles. The moment we put too much pressure on him is the moment he will stop using his insticts and go with standard vanilla tactics and that is when this team will start to look ordinary. He has been brilliant for India in the last two years and he needs to be given leverage to fail. The reason lesser known teams or underdogs perform better in this format is there is less pressure on them and that gives them the freedom to be bold and play freely. If you are uptight and nervous in this format of the game and put yourself under a lot of pressure to win in this format, you are bound to fail. Most of the time, the winners in this format are the underdogs.

  • Zain-ul-Abideen on June 16, 2009, 13:19 GMT

    I agree with Safiya even though I'm a pakistani fan but I also like watching India play. Dhoni is a brilliant captain Indian supporters should support him in this difficult time. He has brought many glorious victories to India beating some of the most greatest sides in the world.

  • shiby on June 16, 2009, 11:47 GMT

    When lost any match, search and found various reasons, but now India out from the S8. Obviously still few match winners inside the Team India, even absence of V Swevag. The real factor is, the batting line up not fixed as planed b4, it should be changeable at event of loosing wicket. As a test dose, y not sent H Singh/YPatan instead of Jadeja?

  • mubeenkemisaal on June 16, 2009, 11:02 GMT

    I agree with Lalchand Rajput,IPL have open by Team India's strenghts & weakness to the world.But there is nothing much in loosing hope or to critise players,luck did not favour this time as it does in times to lift Team India's spirit.Team India is one of the best in the world and they will bounce back for sure...!!

  • Ckt_Lover on June 16, 2009, 10:46 GMT

    sorry to say this as an indian, but the [[no.1 reason for this debacle is the untimely secheduling of the IPL]].did u see the indian players walk into the park?they looked like unenthusiastic office-go'ers walking into work, on a damned monday morning.(already wishing it was week-end.) did this not compound to the lack of improvisations while facing short balls?IPL is great,but the world stage is wat realy matters?shud we put our best players in grave injury and fatigue risks b4 a big international event?gosh, i remmbr reading Lalit Modi's thoughts on 2 IPL's an year, please please please don't by all means.first of all,learn how to manage one IPL without turning international schedules into a mockery.if you don't care abt national pride, pls do a favour for all of us indian spectators, please don't name them Team India.maybe, name them - "IPL T11" - for, "IPL Tired 11".that way, the name of my country wudn't have to be put in shame!!!

  • gung-ho on June 16, 2009, 10:30 GMT

    I blame this defeat on Dhoni's cockiness and his inability to think intelligently. How else could you explain losing a match with 5 wickets in hand? When was the last time you saw Dhoni hitting boundaries when the team really needs? And how can you explain him demoting himself in the order in such a crucial match?

  • Safiya on June 16, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    Even though India may have got knocked out of this tournerment, it does'nt mean that they now hopeless, they still remain one of the best teams in the cricket world. Even though Dhoni's out of form with the bat it does not matter, he will bounce back, we can't expect him to be in top form all his life; every cricketer has bad days and so does Dhoni, therefore it's very unfair to dump all the blame on Dhoni. Why is it that the moment a player fail to put on a good show, everyone is ready to jump an critisize, but we are forgeting what all he had done for the team. It was with the help of Dhoni that India became the T20 champs in 2007, he led India to great victories agaist Australia as well as many more victories. India had come a long way since the 2007 ODI world Cup defeat and they made us very proud. Let this one loss not let us forget what a great cricketer Dhoni is as well as team India.

  • U.A.1985 on June 16, 2009, 9:20 GMT

    Are India the real so called Champions, as media labelled them?

    No, the real Champions are Australians who know how to sustain momentum once they have it. They won the 99 world cup and have the ruled the World of Cricket for almost 10 years. I bet once they (Aussies) get the hold of T20 version they will make sure it becomes predictable that they win.

    Why do crowds like Big Shots so much on docile pitches? What about the innings Steve Waugh played in 1999 World Cup against South Africa. The pitch was so tough to play. I love it when batsmen play great shots on tough, seaming picthes. That is what I call Quality Cricket not Slogging

    Too much T20 cricket can be destructive for CRICKET. I now am starting to long for Test Matches (esp. those in Australia). Real Cricket Followers and Understanders know the importance of Test and ODI Cricket.

    Younis said it rite "T20 is just for fun"...sometimes I ponder on that too...

  • afridi102 on June 16, 2009, 8:26 GMT

    It should be very sad for indian fans that their team is out of the world cup so early and that not losing all their matches againts good teams so far. As someone said before, also thnk that indian batting was tooo much dependant of yuvraj singh, he was the only one lookng capable of winning the match for india. Suresh Raina, india's second bg hope was just not good enough aganst the short ball. Where as india's captain MS Dhoni, he was poor wth his captancy but also wth the bat. Yusuf pathan scored 33 of 17, if only Dhoni had managed to score at the same rate india would have won it. But Dhoni couldn't not even hit a 4, hs frst two boundares were edge and the last one was after the match was already lost. He really has problems to fnd the boundaries. So according to me dhoni was the "match ka mujram". Then we can all agree that india missed shewag like pakistan are missing imran nazir. The opening is soo mportant and sehwag sso destructive. He can demoralyse the bowlers...

  • scc4cricket on June 16, 2009, 8:01 GMT

    Dhoni is responsible to answer why out of form ISHANT played in a curtial matche. and how can he change the in form batsmen to down order. I think Dhoni has take full responsablity. Anyway Still we are the best. We will bounce back next time.

  • daks999 on June 16, 2009, 7:47 GMT

    Dhonis honeymoon period is over ,Let him come down on earth and play as good as he did earlier.Its good that this happened as early

  • Dann on June 16, 2009, 7:33 GMT

    It is not that easy to write india of. It is only t20 cricket. It is very difficult to judge a team in such short period of time. Maybe in th elonger versions, indian batsmen would have managed to play the shorter ball during the innings. They would have had time to adjust to it.

    I agree, india could have played better, but it can happn. They will improve. It is not wise to slam Dhoni and co in such a bad way.

    Also Dhoni is a good captain. It can happen to any good captain that he does not have a good series. That's it. It is time to move on now.

  • zeelu on June 16, 2009, 6:09 GMT

    winning & losing is part of any sports...but to find ways of losing , when u can win is different thing...Englands bowling was ordinary, if any team cant chase 154 against this bowling attack, than they dont deserve playin next round of cup..

    of 1000s of good cricketers playing domestic cricket...IS RAVINDRA JADEJA suitable to make indias international squad..I have seen most matches of IPL...Tell me one instance anyone has seen jadeja's batting skills or technique..?

    Selectors please DO NOT PICK JADEJA EVER AGAIN....

    WHY not pick Sachin instead of Sehwag as well...(if he wants to play)

  • MANKIRAN on June 16, 2009, 5:03 GMT

    I thinks our team was bit over confident. It looked liked each player was playing as if he will win the match single handed for India. This seems to be due to their own performance in recent IPL tournament. (Rohit, Raina playing ir-responsible shots).Even recent times player like sachin had been sidelined from playing 20-20. Take the example from NZ tour where dhoni had specially asked for Ravinder Jadeja for 2 T20 matches, who than replaced by sachin in one day team..Does it mean that jadeja is the better T20 player than Sachin??? (just have look at those days news headlines,, only after this incident sachin said he will not play T20 cricket, ofcourse he had given the reason that he don;t want to disturb the balance of the team.) but that was all his gr8ness...but it was really insulting for player like him..(considering jadeja ahead of him in T20 team)...how funny...Dhoni did very similar to Greg Chappell did for our team few years back...(don't u think so)...

  • Zaheerahmed on June 16, 2009, 4:01 GMT

    Besides the team and the management I feel that the role of media and fans also play a role whenever India loses. There is so much following of cricket in India and so much hype that average cricketers are made to look as if they are superstars. TV commentators of IPL should also be blamed as during those matches they made Raina look a new Viv Richards and Yousuf Pathan a right handed Gilchrist. Dhoni's decision to come at number 6 in crucial matches and number 3 in easy ones shows that it was an act of cowardice and he did not want to be exposed for his weaknesses against short-pitched fast bowling.

  • Scrop on June 16, 2009, 1:00 GMT

    I dont understand why people blame Dhoni for all this. He might have been little out of form but still he is good player and a captain. He apologized to the Indian fans for the team's poor show in this WC that shows he is a straight-forward.

    His tactics dint work this time, but this not the end of the road for Team India. If Jadeja had edged a few shorts to boundaries (not convincing but yet effective) and if India had scrapped a win, I sure all you guys who criticized the decision whould have praised his decision or if Yuvi had failed when he is promoted and India failed you would have criticized that decision also.

    I remember Dhoni saying the batsman dint play according to the plan, so its the execution of the failed and not the plan.

    Now its time for all Indian Fans to back Team India and Show our support at this point of time, they have given a lot to cheer in the past and do not Criticize them. The next T20 WC is not too far away.

  • rony1008 on June 15, 2009, 22:28 GMT

    Winning T20 world cup does not make a team the best in T20. Its not like the ODI WC where you can pick 1 or 2 best team in the world before the tournament, there is a good chance that one of those two will win. In T20 nothing can be predicted, even teams like Ireland, Netherlands can win against any team on their day.

    Having said that I think too much credit was given to India's last T20 WC victory. Lets be frank, its not like winning the ODI tourney when Kapil's team won or winning test series in Australia. I still believe India is a very good team in all forms of the game. True test will be whether they can win ODI WC.

  • BatMan26 on June 15, 2009, 21:50 GMT

    Whenever things go wrong, people love to put the blame on someone. This time its DHONI. Even though Dhoni has been out of form with the bat, it does not mean that he should just hand over the captaincy or just give up. Because for a long time that is what India has been doing...GIVING UP Now we finally have good, talented, young guys that for several reasons weren't up to the mark, but that is OK. Indian cricket fans have HUGE expectations for the Indian cricket team and we expect them to win every single match and ever single tournament, and the truth of the matter is that it is simply not possible, especially in 20/20 cricket. As far as Dhoni is concerned he is great player and a great captain that has helped India win several matches in the past year. In my opinion, India's loss was due to bad decisions in the field, bad squad selection and even bad batting line up. Also there was no real hunger or passion to win, but despite all of this the Indian team will bounce back.

  • MugunthanB on June 15, 2009, 21:01 GMT

    India should have sent Yuvraj earlier since he is the one striking the ball very well. Secondly, why to open with Rohit, why not Yusuf Pathan.. Rohit is good player to play in the middle overs than Yusuf..any way gone is gone..India should focus on coming up Cricket with more planning

  • OrangeC on June 15, 2009, 20:55 GMT

    England were 148/5 with one ball to go, and then there was a wide ball by Harbhajan. To make matters worse, Yuvraj messed up the fielding and England earned 5 freebies. Those were the last runs scored by England, as Harbhajan's final ball produced no runs. And India lost by 3 runs. Is this just bad luck, or overconfidence on India's part? I understand that practice was not even mandatory during such a crucial tournament!

  • Azfar on June 15, 2009, 20:39 GMT

    It is easy to be wise after the event. Yes, the decision to send Jadeja ahead of Yuvraj & Dhoni himself badly backfired. Imagine, out of the 35 balls he faced 16 were dot balls. Even though sending Jadeja up the order was an error of judgement on Dhoni's part but why did Jadeja hang on for so long when he was clearly struggling.I think the poor guy panicked!! Anyway there have been many other Dhoni masterstrokes which have come off in the past, this one didn't. It is a learning for Dhoni. I will still back him to become the best ever Indian captain. He has all the qualities.See how he responded after the defeat. He said sorry to the fans. How many Indian captains have done that in the past. In 20-20 Cricket any team can win on their day. And this was not India'a day.

  • sitaram58 on June 15, 2009, 20:17 GMT

    What's the big deal - we will have another world cup in less than 12 months and if we don't win that we will have another in about 10 months and if we don't win that we will have another in 8 months and if we ...........

  • Nampally on June 15, 2009, 20:10 GMT

    India failed because of a number of factors such as: 1. Indian bowling and fielding was poor giving as many as 14 wides 2. Sehwag was missing from the line up. 3. Tendulkar needed to step in for sehwag not a non playing Kartik 4. Dhoni should never have let a newcomer Jadeja in at #4. He killed the team with poor strike rate. Yuvraj or Yusuf were obvious choices. India have played bouncers quite well in S.Africa. Here the reverse swing did them in. Dhoni and Yusuf batted brilliantly for the last 6 overs. Unfortunately the asking rate was too steep. Dhoni could have sent a message to Jadeja earlier to hit out after he reached 10. At Lords, the bouncing ball + reverse swing and quicker speed off the turf are all important factors.Tndulkar's replacing Sehwag would have shifted the balance back in India's favour. Dhoni & Selectors failed to recognize this especially when Sachin was in England. India need vast improvements in all depts. to beat S.Africa even for a consolation win.

  • krik8crazy on June 15, 2009, 19:40 GMT

    The reasons for India's debacle have been debated and discussed very thoroughly so I won't repeat them again. My hope is that the team will learn it's lessons from this debacle and start playing well again with a positive mindset. This team is too talented to lose like this.

  • lethalbouncer on June 15, 2009, 19:30 GMT

    As a Pakistani, we will miss the excitement of having India in the semi-finals. To my Indian friends, T20 is a very capricious game and they shouldn't read too much into this - India is still one of the foremost sides in the world and were looking pretty unbeatable for a while. I do really question the batting order - I think both Dhoni and Pathan were playing too low in the order and they could have won the game for India. Hopefully either Pakistan or SL can break South Africa's unbroken run of victories.

  • serendipiti on June 15, 2009, 18:52 GMT

    The way people are reacting, rather overreacting is to be seen to be believed! True the team floundered but everyone has a bad day or two at work isn't it? No point dragging on and on about this and analysing and conducting post mortems. The media shud be more responsible. Running polls like "shud dhoni continue to be the captain" a day after the loss is sickk! After all this very team has won us so many laurels in the past and will do so in future...give them a break!

  • Ashanu12 on June 15, 2009, 17:30 GMT

    I Understand that T20 is a game which has a lot of luck factor associated with it, but then it is not the only factor associated with it. Basics of cricket cannot be forgotten in any format of cricket, and that was the exactly what the Indian players forgot very conveniently. Fielding was abysmal throughtout the tournament. Bowlers bowled on both sides of the wicket and batsmen squandered many scoring opportunities. To top it all, the team flirted with controversies even before the tournament started. The praise lavished on the team by one and all, was in the end the poison that cuased its death. The arogance that Dhoni showed in the press conferences, should rather have been shown on the playing field. He came 2nd all the time. Alas, the apple cart has been toppled and Dhoni is in the centre of it all. All of them have to perform or perish. Enough is enough and it is time that Dhoni and his men delivered the goods for a billion people.

    Hurt Guy

    A hurt Indian cricket fan.

  • BretSavage on June 15, 2009, 17:06 GMT

    Well, the team has done badly and that's the bottom line. No single player can be blamed for the ouster as it is combined failure of the players and the management. I am sure team would do well if following is considered in future:

    1) Play to your strength - In this case, our batting is our strength. Opting to chase in the crucial match against England was a big mistake to start with.

    2) Anticipate - West Indies match made it clear that our batsmen were not comfortable against rising deliveries. We should have anticipated that and prepared accordingly against England.

    3) Send your best player to bat as early as possible - If Yuvraj had played 35 balls, we would have won the match comfortably.

    4) Fielding - We need loads of improvement.

    5) Dedication - was missing.

    6) Aggression - was missing.

    7) Dhoni - is still the best captain in the world. Just that he needs support. Please, don't cook stories media. That affected us the most.

  • Sampdoria on June 15, 2009, 17:01 GMT

    I echo sdpuri's comments - Its one tournament we lost and now we are labelling our heroes as villains. Indian fans are as fickle as the Indian media. I stand by Dhoni and company even though they didnt rise to the occasion.

    In Jadeja we have a new possible All Rounder.

    - A true Indian Supporter ;)

  • Docdecoza on June 15, 2009, 17:00 GMT

    When India wins everybody dances like everybody did in last T20 world cup but when she losses everybody starts throwing stones at the team, Dhoni, Sehwag etc. Those accusing the team forgets that they are also human beings and most importantly they train and work hard to win. Offcourse they get paid but they have the passion too. Let us not forget team India was on a role for the last four months of cricket including the IPL. In that course of time it also won in New Zealand. Support and respect is what these national heroes deserve at this time because nobody else can feel the pain better than these athletes themselves.

  • kalyanbk on June 15, 2009, 16:58 GMT

    India were not the best team on the day. Too many fielding errors and extras followed by ordinary bowling by Ishant and lack of proper opening partnerships. It was a deserving result with Dhoni under fire for selections and strategy. Somehow he doesn't seem at ease with himself and the team also did not seem at ease with itself. These things happen and India will soon be back against West Indies for ODIs. Let's watch out for that interesting series.

  • Ramkumar-jeeva on June 15, 2009, 16:51 GMT

    Cool Guys ! Just remember even Australia went out of the competition in the first round. T20 is more of gambling and if Jadeja's move worked we wont be complaining about India, Dhoni or captaincy. Dhoni sent jadeja up the order just to collapse the strategy of England a bit but It didnt work.Also IPL played a pivotal role in giving confidence to other teams as well us exposing certain weakness of Indian players.One cant really blame the bowling department and Ishant is still young..we have seen even Murali, Kumble, Brett-lee going for runs in T20.The confusion in batting order is just the mere fact that sehwag cant be replaced ! Let us accept the importance of him in the opening slot and his injury has cost us badly.One should also understand in IPL the boundary distance are much reduced so that hitting sixes of short-pitch stuff is quite easy.Maybe this worked in the minds of Indian players.Surely this loss will help India get out of myths over preparation for 50/50 worldcup.

  • satheeshrsk on June 15, 2009, 16:41 GMT

    well said fotobirajesh! There were so much hype and illusionary praises pouring in Dhoni which have all now been proved wrong! When he walked, there was a comment 'fabulous', when he run, another as 'fantastic', when he stood, there was another comment 'brilliant'....These sort of superfluous comments were really too much for a beginning cricketer who have yet to gain full wisdom!How would you describe a captain batting in 18th, 19th over with tons of runs to chase just strolling in 1s & 2s? There was nothing much to complain about Jadeja. He will improve as he gains experience and tremendous talent was there & shouldn't be dumped straightaway! When Dhoni could swallow 12 balls against the poor Bangladesh attack, why Jadeja could not eat up 10 balls against the English attack?! Even Raina's form was tormented by Dhoni by not giving him enough matches to settle. He was sent in at no#3 only against WI in crunch game. Dhoni didn't promote himself in pressure situations! Full of flaws!

  • jayesh1508 on June 15, 2009, 16:39 GMT

    after watching the the match i thought more than other teams sorting India out, it was Team India being scared on itself. Dhoni taking second batting in a must win match..Trying to save Yuvraj for later it showed they were not confident of them selves. This and the media aligation of rift between Captain and team(read Dhoni and Shewag) was the second biggest cause of teams failure. this is not a time for blaming the team. We should remind Dhoni how this team won the 2007 world cup. It was won not by being scared but by boldly going and scruffing the match by neck. We should learn from this and be bold. We mite have some hiccups but fortune favours the bold

    Also media should be made responsible. They shouldnt have made amountian of nothing. The Dhoni sehwag episode. Theyt read a lot were nothing exists,

  • itsjustagameIndia on June 15, 2009, 16:22 GMT

    It never ceases to surprise me that every time India lose it is the end of the world and every time India wins it is the beginning of Indian domination. It is time that Indian media and fans woke up and stopped destroying our own team. Win or lose the team needs support to succeed, the players do not live in a bubble and at the end of the day they are only people who happen to have a specific talent, nothing more. So stop expecting them to win every game, every tournament and every trophy, just enjoy it when they win and know that they will lose from time to time. Also, enough of Dhoni bashing, he is only the second captain to bring a world cup trophy to India. He must be good at his job or he would not be leading a team with Tendulkar, Yuvraj, Sehwag,et all. They would have forced him out if he was rubbish.

    It is also time that former players put up or shut up. If you are going to criticize than be ready to help, approach the players and offer your help.

  • henchart on June 15, 2009, 16:21 GMT

    Dhoni was jaded both mentally and physically.He is not a machine but then he ought to have opted out of few IPL games.It appears few guys put league before country .After all it was never going to be a stroll in the park for title defence as Indians have realized the hard way.Serves them right.BarringSehwag, Yuvraj and Gambhir none of the current T20 players are capable of scoring quickly and consistently against quality attack.Pathan brothers ,Raina ,Rohit Sharma may scare a lesser attack of Bangla Desh orIreland but not Kiwis , England or West Indies.But these guys play so much of cricket that before introspection they are into another series .Return of Tendulkar to T20 wont be a bad idea.He is a cut above all these T20 players put together.

  • sach_agr99 on June 15, 2009, 16:21 GMT

    mistakes are done dat's for sure by evry1 in d team except yuvraaj.....and really v'll have to believe dhoni is stll lucky vd d toss bt not at all on d field....he made yuvi bowl bcz he bowled gud against england 1 yr ago...wht d hell..dhoni also used to bat gud 1 or 2 year ago bt is out f par now neither ishant n zaheer proved effective dis tym so team sufferd.....fielding was as bitter as body language...gambhir was not dat mch destructive....as he was used to be vd sehwag whom v missed a lot...rohit n raina got out in d same fashion in both d matches unbelievble...jadeja need to undrstand dat applause frm warne wld not do evry thng 4 him he'll have to raise up his game a lot....at d last it's t20....v can't say team losing is a bad team n can give dhoni a chance to cm out vd smwht better show in d series vd west indies....i hope dey wil

  • logmein on June 15, 2009, 16:20 GMT

    really baffling to see jadeja in place of irfan pathan. it was a really poor team selection

  • vanquished on June 15, 2009, 16:17 GMT

    Why are we so angry at defeat? Not because, we lost, but the manner in which we lost. It was surrender rather than defeat! And the man leading from the front to make us feel humiliated was Dhoni- vastly overrated, and overtly lucky. How could a guy with no talent be leading the most cricket- crazy nation's team? His decisions seem ugly, almost as insipid as they can get, and what he gets in return- praise. And overrated are other guys too- Raina ( with no ability to even deflect a short ball, and we compare him with Tendulkar and Dravid); Gambhir- who can make fifty if he's given as many lives; Jadeja- no comments, he is too bad even for comments; and DHONI- inadvertent planner, and worst egotist ever to lead. And as a coach we have a yes-man- Kirsten. Dhoni must resign if he has any self respect left, though i doubt he has any. As for fans, we can claim that Yuvraj, Sehwag, and Y. Pathan just need to click to make us feel good next time, if the captain gives them chance by quitting!!!

  • lovelymanish on June 15, 2009, 16:10 GMT

    actually irfan pathan should have opened with gautam and i dont understand why they kept ishant in the team praveen kumar should have played instead of him

  • PunJab4EveR on June 15, 2009, 15:54 GMT

    Common sense comes in the picture, why would you send an inexperience player Ravindra Jadeja next to bat if you have in-form player YUVRAJ SINGH "SINGH IS KINNG". Ravindra Jadeja made 25 runs in 35 balls in this crucial match, why why why. By 10 over's INDIA made 54 runs, why they played so slow, didn't they know that they playing 20 over not 50 over's. Very POOR BATTING form Gautam Gambhir who is the opener why why why. In 5 over's INDIA managed only 29 runs just 6 RPO so embarrassing. Dhoni made a big big mistake sending Ravindra Jadeja at #4, he should have went after Y.Pathan. It was over fault that we let this game slip away. I am very angry and ashamed that how we played against ENGLAND, it was an easy win for team INDIA. I have nothing else to write about.

  • PunJab4EveR on June 15, 2009, 15:51 GMT

    First and thing first, we had this game in our hands; we let this match slip away. I watched this match live, Dhoni won the toss and elected to field, that's was a good thinking. Everything was going good for INDIA, but teams INDIA were missing Virender Sehwag due to the Injuries. INDIA bowled well, but miss-fielding and wide balls were week points of INDIA. It's common sense, it's a do-or-die game, and you cannot afford to give loose balls or wide to the opposition team. Tight fielding and line and length bowling is every important. Putting all errors and mistakes aside, we did restrict ENGLAND to 153 for 7. Now the turning point, 154 runs are reachable for team INDIA no excuses. The openers did not fire, Rohit Sharma clean bowled for 9 going for pull shot. Suresh Raina gone for 2, now at this point INDIA were 24/2. Now INDIA has to win this game to qualify. I have more to say....

  • Nampally on June 15, 2009, 15:43 GMT

    There were a few reasons for the Indian team being knocked out. 1. A newcomer like Jadeja should never have been sent at #4 instead of Yuvraj.2. Indian bowling & fielding was sloppy with 14 wides 3.Absence of sehwag was a major factor in 2 defeats 4. Tendulkar should have replaced Sehwag instead of non playing Kartik. Even with all these negatives, Dhoni & Yusuf played fantastically well in last 6 overs to nearly win the game for India. India can still beat S.Africa but their bowling and batting must improve several steps. Ishant & Zaheer were disappointing on the same pitch where England fast bowlers bounced India into oblivion.As it happens Harbhajan's 5 wides in the last over cost India the match.Even now, India get Tendulkar in to counter the bouncers and to improve batting strength.Either he can open with Gambhir or play #3. This will also boost the team morale to see their ace batsman in. Dhoni erred in sending Jadeja #4, which was a major factor in loss to England.

  • hkamall on June 15, 2009, 15:39 GMT

    Its not correct to say that dhoni is the reason for this loss completely, the whole team is responsible for this early exit. The intensity in the field is always lacking the energy required from the so called youngsters in the team throughout the tournament, the misfielding and missed run out changes followed by poor bowling at the death are the major facts that india is out of the tournament, not just batting alone. Even the extras column is healthy from the indian bowlers who are so generous in offering. As long as we rely completely on batting and slow bowlers we can't win any major tournaments, we need our strike bowlers like zaheer and ishant to improve as well as we need some intensity in the field to cut short the runs, even our running between the wickets are not good when compared to other teams. We should just concentrate on the basics and use the extra time (early exit from the tournament) to come back hard with the forth coming matches and tournaments.

  • helloajs on June 15, 2009, 15:30 GMT

    I personally think Dhoni was lucky from the begining. Every one is complaining about Sehwag not being in team was the cause of team's early exit. But i personally think the replacement of sehwag wasn't right. we should have bring Sachin in place of Karthik. that would have give team little boost and releave little pressure from Yuvi, raina and Pathan.

  • codswallop on June 15, 2009, 15:26 GMT

    It goes to the selection of the team, overconfidence and blind belief in underperforming and unproven players like,Ishant[in T20], injured Sehwag, and that hurt Dhoni and of course the team a lot, he didn't want an injured player in team,whatever his stature,and other dubious selections ,also a big goof,a captain is as good as his team, and this team was no where near that exhilarating and inspired bunch of unknown lads, trying to prove they are there.

    Buddy for me this was never a winning team.

  • jeet19800 on June 15, 2009, 15:26 GMT

    Time to call a spade a spade ..and remind Mr. Dhoni that he is just a lucky guy who have had a rather talented bunch of players his disposal since he took over captaincy. There is no Rocket-science in his captaincy andn there is nothing at all in his batsmanship. Indian cricket has come across a turn of the tide and we fans expect a tough and progressive decision in terms of leadership of this team and its selection process.

  • HiyerNHiyer on June 15, 2009, 15:24 GMT

    Why India lost .. 1) Complacency on the field.. 2) Dhoni needs to understand his teams . The whole world knew of Rainas weakness then how come he was sent ahead of Yuvi against the short pitch bowling 3) Stats speak.. Ishant is a great Test bowler but Praveen kumar or Irfaan are a better bet in T20 from an allround perspective. see IPL records 4) Unfair to expect Jadeja to click in a world cup in his first match at Number 4 5) Dhonis failure to "Try" out things.. with India struggling against the short ball send Zaheer or Bhajji to upset the Bowlers rhythm 6) Taking Opponents such as Windies or England slight more easier than required 7) Team composition. depth in batting.. Ravindra Jadeja or Dinesh Karthik for Ishaant in the team that played Windies for the England match 8) Opting to play Yuvi at No 3 as he is technically better in english conditions and your best player But at the end of the day.. we have come to expect better from this team hence the criticism.. Chill

  • jeet19800 on June 15, 2009, 15:22 GMT

    Well, its unfortunate that we get to analyze the team and its performance critically only when some milestone is lost. We as a nation and team still havent got the rather Non-divine fact of having the right processes behind the right results. As our Dear captain remind us regularily in his rather silly accent that if we have the right process (effort in his terms) results automatically takes care of them. We also can never get out of the personality cults and look at things dispassionately. The fall of rather the stangnation of this indian team started sometime in past when we stopped taking tough decisions. Indian cricket carrying the aspirations of a billion rising-india people, are dependent upon an uneducated, cheap self-help books inspired, very ordinary batsman to lead indian cricket. Either our Mr Cool captain started beliving the hype abt himself or its just his true abilities are coming in to fore. I would prefer a different make-up and leadeship for indian cricket.

  • vikramparthan on June 15, 2009, 15:17 GMT

    The matter is simple. This is what cost India the match:

    1) Harbhajan bowling 2 wides - costing 10 runs overall. 2) Yuvraj casually "trying" to field the 2nd wide which Harbhajan bowled in the final over, which resulted in 5 more runs, which would have been 2 runs otherwise.

    Even if 2) had been 2 runs instead of 5, the difference would be that England would have got 150.

    The match would have been a tie. Super Over - India would have won :-)

  • Arijit_in_TO on June 15, 2009, 15:13 GMT

    The burden of expectations and the swelling of egos undid this team and I submit that this is a healthy loss for it provided managment and the captain with a mirror to where the payers stand. Let us not lose sight of the fact that the West Indies and England deserved to win; they executed when it matterd while India prevaricated. How a player like Suresh Raina performs on flat tracks does not matter; how a make-shift opener like Rohit Sharma smashes the ball against Pakistan in a warm-up match does not matter. What matters is the ability to rise to the occasion when elimination is staring at you in the face. The errors were of both a tactical and strategic nature. It is ironic that India --with all of the seniors still around who really know how to bat & bowl-- are a far better in the Test cricket format than either T20 or ODIs.

  • santhoshkudva on June 15, 2009, 15:11 GMT

    i am not able to recall if cricinfo initiated a post mortem of this nature for the sydney test of 2004, which was steve waugh's last test. the most appropriate time to make a first innings declaration after piling the runs is one hour before close on day two. why india continued to bat even on the third day remains a mystery. and why sachin tendulkar was reluctant to play balls outside the off stump, to the point where he scored 77% of his runs on the leg side, is another. and why we did not enforce the follow on, citing fatigue, is a third mystery. relax guys, let us save our arguments for things that really matter. T20 is still in its nascent stages for us to take this seriously.

  • BakuninLives on June 15, 2009, 15:02 GMT

    T20 is a random game, no lasting conclusion about a player and team can be drawn from it. Period. And now India have reframed the game with IPL to suit themselves. As a nation they are uninterested in the two bigger formats that test skill, character at a deeper level, they are happy to just roll out one featherbed after the other to inflate their false superstars. Yuvraj Singh? Bah! When was the last time anyone remembers him negotiating the moving ball against a classic 'umbrella' slip cordon? Overall, there's a worldwide tendency to sideline the pace bowlers, like it's preposterous to even want it. What's next - the bowling machine T20? Just pack the teams with batters and let bowling machines do the needful! It's a sure slide towards 0-0 cricket. ICC, BCCI and India (in that order) -- you've killed cricket.

  • somarun on June 15, 2009, 14:54 GMT

    What was more dissapointing than the loss itself, was the lack of hunger you saw in most players, especially Dhoni. They just did not look charged up, especially for a do-or-die game! I agree Dhoni is overrated. His wicketkeeping is at best average - when was the last time he took a spectacular catch, or stumping - not sure though one can easily remember the drops and missed stumpings. His batting is average at best. He was failing to hit and score yesterday and relied on twos, though Yusuf was able to clear the boundaries. He did not let Raina, or Yusuf get much batting practice in matches earlier preferring to come in at 3 and even managed to get out against Ireland ! I am also not v impressed with his captaincy, especially with bowling changes, field positions etc.. Rohit sharma was successful bowling in IPL - why was he not tried even once during the tournament. The technical icompetence was fully exposed by teams. Please wake up and justify the money you earn!!!

  • mturaga on June 15, 2009, 14:50 GMT

    The fickle nature of Indian fan is evident once more here. A couple of losses in T20 and now everything is wrong with Dhoni and everyone in the team. These guys have done so well over the past few months that they started as pre-tournament favorites. The "mistakes" Dhoni made were mistakes only in hindsight. All of them were based on sound reasoning but they simply did not click. And look at our "experts" such as Arun Lal - he has no clue what he is talking about. How can the team be overconfident and defensive at the same time?

  • rush2rajiv on June 15, 2009, 14:44 GMT

    Dhoni is wasting ball in T20 format. He is having ability to hit all the balls to fence but he is afarid.

  • srinathb on June 15, 2009, 14:34 GMT

    To all Indian Fans :Please show some Mercy,Team India needs support from us ! I have not seen any Captain of Team India apologizing to the Nation,lets realize that this is a Team Game,Dhoni alone cant handle everything ! Bhajji gave away 10 wides and Zak Disappointed with Fielding and Bowling,Ishant,as usual,was beaten all around the park..Gambhir,Rohit,Raina failed to give Good start so,Team India failed as a Unit not because of an Individual If you are a REAL INDIAN FAN,support it when it is in Trouble

  • hhh91 on June 15, 2009, 14:34 GMT

    i think it is too early for ravindra jadeja to be included in the team. he is not playing for his team and is rather playing for his own . in many ipl games while batting he does not hit even poor bowls. it seems that he wants to consolidate his place in team . this was evident in warm up game when he scored 41 runs in 45 balls.

  • kkarthik on June 15, 2009, 14:33 GMT

    Well things worked out as was expected. Before the world cup the coach was worried about the mental fatigue. Well india were burdened by both mental and physical illness during the world cup. Ipl was seen as a practise for the world cup but it turned out to be a killer for the players. Most of them were exhausted by the time ipl got over. 2 important players got injured as well and that was a big blow for the team. I feel that future tours have to be planned in such a way that players are given enough time to rest and as a cricket enthusiast i feel that there is an overkill of the game and people have started losing interest due to the over dose of cricket. Dont blame dhoni and his team for this failure even he is human. Look at the broader picture and blame the organizers and the icc for the future progress of the game.

  • vicky4113 on June 15, 2009, 14:30 GMT

    all these criticisms of dhoni (the icc world no 1 odi player for the last 18 months)...i cant believe so many ppl are so naive....the same dhoni won against aus and sa in tests when kumble couldnt even come close.he has yet to lose a test as captain.he averages above 63 in tests after getting the captaincy.....once dhoni lifts another cup everyone comes crawling back.....jeez...

  • Friends11 on June 15, 2009, 14:27 GMT

    We can clearly see that Ishant is not fit for T20 in overall performance. Why Dhoni is not using Praveen which he is good in IPL2. Irfan was bowled well in his two overs against west indies and why Dhoni not used him. Gambhir was not performed well so Jadeja can try out for Gambhir and not for irfan. When Dhoni is not in form he may promote Yusuf batting order in Dhoni's place against England.

  • KumarT on June 15, 2009, 14:22 GMT

    Fair enough. Cricket is just another sport and should be treated as such. There has been too much hype about the Indian cricket team what with the great Mr. Tendulkar stating that this team knows no fear. That's the problem as they have no respect for their opponents and there is too much of arrogance even among the teenagers. BTW, what was Tendulkar doing in the Indian dressing room when he does not have any official status with the T20 team. I guess the Mumbai connection. Everyone (fans, media, businesses) are to blame. Technique is important in all forms of cricket and this team lacks that. You don't have to hit boundaries of every ball but you can score singles of most of the balls. I wish the BCCI invests in training for the youngesters, technically and also some basic etiquette. And the less said about the Indian fans in the English grounds. Whew. I hope they stay away for the rest of the tournament so that we can see some exciting cricket and appreciative neutral spectators.

  • Rayhan72 on June 15, 2009, 14:20 GMT

    I don't think the Indian fans are being harsh here. Yes, India were outplayed by both WI and Eng. But Dhoni made a few crucial mistakes. Jadeja was the most obvious one. I wouldn't play RD Singh instead of the fantastic swing bowler Parveen - he would have suited these conditions much better. I was surprised that Dhoni didn't bother to turn for the second run on the 5th ball of the over and try give Pathan the strike back. Then it would have been 7 to win but 6 to tie - Pathan had already hit a six and who knows; but I was very surprised that he wasn't thinking the same. He was just ambling! The bowling changes weren't the best, Harbhajan is good, but you shouldn't try him in the last over, he's not that good, he was lucky that he wasn't hit for more. Pathanw wasn't bowled, and Raina and Sharma weren't tried either. Maybe Dhoni was just overconfident or maybe there was more. I sensed that Dhoni wasn't that interested. Maybe his lucky days are over. An over-rated team beaten finally.

  • LordAnkur on June 15, 2009, 14:18 GMT

    Media created a over-hyped superhero out of a player who,himself,not good to play for long in Dhoni... He got everything too early,like khel-ratna etc,which he did not deserve and started to believe the hype around him. His batting for last 1 year is pathetic and even geoff boycott would have managed to clear boundary a few times...... he missed low full-tosses and kept taking singles even when 12 an over were required.....

    Media and silly people have bayed of Fab-4 blood after Dhoni's fluke 2007 T20 win.... But in reality Fab4 alongwith Kumble are the last world-class cricketers we will have for a long-time.... Most of these supposed young-guns fail to play 20/20 and 50 over match properly,where will they find talent to last 5day test-cricket?

    Dhoni should be brushed aside,atleast,from t20 as his pathetic captaincy and batting has let us down....

  • ScottieK on June 15, 2009, 14:16 GMT

    Inquest? Does India have some god given right to be in the final? Their track record leading up to the WC suggested India weren't up to it. Get over it

  • avkris on June 15, 2009, 13:51 GMT

    cool down fotobirajesh, calm down..dont take such huge swipes on d team and d skipper like tat blindly..i am completely behind d team and dhoni coz i believe its d BCCI and IPL that is to blame..look india hav been more cricket these days than ever before and much more than any other team..they hav been playing continuously for months together without any rest and that certainly has taken a toll on d players..they looked tired and overtaken by fatigue rather than anything..i am sure had they got a week or two of more gap after d "too drab and too long" IPL, they wud hav put up much better performance...hav patience guys, especially some stupid news channels and dont call for dhoni's head...if he's lucky then he's too lucky and india needs such a lucky captain!!

  • 1951 on June 15, 2009, 13:45 GMT

    Any plan is faulty if it does'nt have space for changes & modifications as per requirement of the situtation. Sending Jadeja up in the order was not a crime. Allowing him to continue his innings, at a very slow pace by the captain, was an unpardonable crime. Moreso, when India did'nt lost on account of its lesser cricketing abilities. In fact, India lost on account of mental logjam of its team management. Its a classic case of incompetent leadership. The entire team management must take the responsibility of losing the game on mental level. Give me the leadership of this team & I can give you any cricket title of the world. Those defending this debacle are in fact saving their own positions. Heads must rol,l to avoid such disappointments in future. Syed Nayyar Uddin Ahmad

  • fotobirajesh on June 15, 2009, 13:37 GMT

    Even Kapil Dev didnt get as much honour as what Dhoni was bombarded with, when he won the 83 world cup. Too much of flattery, mostly unwanted, have shaken this guy. Dhoni, I always felt was a bit too lucky than anything else. And now the honeymoon period is over, he looks absolutely ordinary. If you look at his batting and keeping, he doesnt even deserve a place in the team amongst Yuvraj,Gambhir, Sehwag, Pathan etc.. I hope the whole media will start to notice this that there is nothing cool about this captain cool.

  • RagsTweets on June 15, 2009, 13:36 GMT

    Many find fault with Dhoni for not opting to bat. Does this mean if England had won the toss and elected to bat, we would have lost anyway?

    The fundamental problem is 'the intensity and hunger for winning was not visible on the faces of the tired guys - Dhoni included'. Yuvraj however seemed to be an exception.

    Dravid said two years ago (perhaps rightly) that captaincy has a shelf life. So true!!

    We should make it a policy to appoint captain for 2 years. Then as the end of 2nd year approaches, the captain would have the intensity to either leave on a high or do well and try for extension

  • Shakti53 on June 15, 2009, 13:33 GMT

    From the starts Team India was not there as world champion. I feel they are like scotland or Bangladesh in the field. Luckily they were in weakest group to move to super-8 list. Down fall was started much earelier when it was leaked the rift between Dhoni and Sehwag. How you can ask Gambhir to open with Sharma when he has tuning with Sehwag. Dhoni comments that he can replace Sehwag was showing his fight with Sehwag internally and that damaged the moral of team. If you analyse from beginning the body languauge showing they are forced to participate in this event though they were not ready mentally to perform. I think thid debacle is only and only DHONI act in the field, his selection and rating of team member and he should resign at this stage For the time being till Sehwag recover, Yuvraj should lead the team.....

  • futurecaptainofindia on June 15, 2009, 13:31 GMT

    Dhoni has lost his talent with the bat. Just to cover for it, he used to come in at no.3, in the garb of taking responsibility of batting through the innings. Finally, he comes under the scanner and should pull up his socks. Enough of back-room manuevring seniors and peers in & out.

  • Peachjay on June 15, 2009, 13:26 GMT

    Any day and any loss is not acceptable for Indian fans. 20/20 is anybody's game on a given day. Like Dilip and Gary had said these guys have been away for a whole lot than the rest and that probably showed up although people won't agree to it. Still, we were just one hit away from victory yesterday. This is the time the team needs support, though I would also put my vote against sending Jadeja up the order, who looked out of sorts. It was bad day with the ball for Bhajji and neither RP nor Ishant were up to their level either. Still we had to chase a par score that we muffed. Well time to move on... .hopefully this will fire the team up to win the World cup [50/50].

  • shams_padladka on June 15, 2009, 13:22 GMT

    When we think of the margin we lost, a couple of early boundaries woud have helped to keep the hope alive. Infamiliarity to play the short balls too the reason to lose the game. The way some of our players got out is really saddens us. But, for each and all blaming the captain will not help and some of his experiments will click and some won't. Let them study from the continuous two defeats a new lesson to put a solid foundation for victories..

  • TwitterJitter on June 15, 2009, 13:11 GMT

    Here are some of the things that Dhoni could have learnt from IPL2 and warm up games in the WC.

    1. Ishant is highly overrated T20 player. He has no variations in his bowling and was getting smacked all over the ground in death overs and in the first 6 overs in IPL. His fielding is poor, and he cannot bat. No reason to take him in the squad.

    2. Jadeja gave ample hints in the warm up game against NZ that he cannnot slog. In the last six overs in that game when a rate of 9 was required, he could not do any better than get singles. He is not a T20 batsman.

    3. Raina is a flat track bully and cannot play rising ball on seaming conditions.

    4. India miss Sehwag badly. A quick fire 60 iin 6 overs from Sehwag would have ensured that the batsman coming later would not have much pressure on them and could have comfortably cruised to victory.

    5. They better practise to slog against a rising ball because from now on they can expect it in every game till they show that it won't work

  • sdpuri on June 15, 2009, 13:08 GMT

    Take it easy,guys.This is not a national disaster.The Indian team has done pretty well over the last two years in all forms of the game.They have just had one bad tournament, the team is still young and still talented.Why are the media and ex-players behaving as if this is a failed team and captain?20/20 is a lottery anyway.

  • BONG_IN_CHENNAI on June 15, 2009, 13:01 GMT

    Dhoni is responsible for every bit of it (loss). Media suitably chooses a scapegoat depending on who they like or dislike. How can he say sorry - after falling from a big tree? He has to be accountable. This was not a matter of luck that we lost - we have suffered major losses and degradation of the team - 3 losses and 3 wins. 2 out of those 3 wins came against minnows.

    A few years back, we all blamed the best Indian captain (left handed) for not being able to handle the short ball. The same old disease (chin music) has cropped up again over all major star batsmen. And he hides like a politician after an election to say "SORRY". We will be fools to accept that. The more he gets entangled on the net of KRIS and SRINI (all CSK), the SORRIER he will feel. But Mr. MAHI, please do not make us feel that way. You have to get out of that CSK (+ MODI) trap yourself. The desire to win was not seen - the attitude was different. Blame it on match fee in IPL vs. that of a 20-20WC match.

  • Srkumar on June 15, 2009, 12:53 GMT

    Many of us can remember 2007 WC debacle and our reaction. And after T20 world cup, we thought we have new heroes and maligned everybody who had done service to Indian cricket. Now many people here talk of restraint and also about the fickleness of T20 matches.As if it is a new discovery. Now having discovered this, let us atleast stop this hero worshipping one day and throw stones the other day. We are not world champions and there are other better teams in Tests/ODI. Our recent track record in T20 are not great. we lost the last few international matches. Many of our stars are still in the development process esp played overseas. Other team players will sort them out and it is upto these players to work out counter strategy. That is how Dravid, Kumble and others evolved and Sachin remained at the top for 20 years. I am sure our current players will become better players with this experience.

  • asvishwarupe on June 15, 2009, 12:45 GMT

    yes even I think teams have worked India out but even so Dhoni made some critical mistake. I think instead of raina he should have come at no 3 to give stability to innings and Yuvi s at no 4 and then Raina at no 5. But past is past and over criticizing Dhoni wont help team much. He has done well and will do well. A good thing to take from tournament is yuvi's mature batting and some good cool minded hitting from Yusuf. Both these player's performance has been overlooked while criticizing team India. And Aus were eliminated in first round so we are not alone. But this not team India which will get dejected by this defeats, in Sept it will go to SA for Champions Trophy and will show why its rated as future no 1 team. My best luck with Dhoni and his decision and I completely stand by team India in this time of despair....

  • ganeshraam on June 15, 2009, 12:39 GMT

    A match that was to be won, was screwed up for no reason! How can we loose matches that should have been won... ? West Indies & England are good teams but never ever dreamt that they will knock India out so cheaply! This just proves that luck always doesnt favor one... Common Dhoni! You got to improve your gambling skills... Joginder Sharma was sheer luck in the last world cup but Jadeja was a complete mess in this one! Trust me, I had been to the warmup match between India & NZ and India lost that match too...Even if there is some one who choked at the right moment, then it has to be RAVINDRA JADEJA!

  • Kumar_cricket on June 15, 2009, 12:34 GMT

    India, in this tournamnet were not looked like India before. Right from day one ,they looked tired , lethergic and out of sorts in both in and off fields. We missed shewag too much.One bad competetion does not means either team or the captain is bad.But in this competetion out team is totally out of sorts . Its time for Dhoni to play his natural aggressive batting style in any format of the game, enough of being accumulator Mate.I still support our team India and Dhoni is the best man to lead team India.

  • bharatrane on June 15, 2009, 12:32 GMT

    It is high time M S Dhoni comes to terms with the realities of life. Crying all the time that it is the fault of the seniors does not help, which is what he has been doing since he became a captain. Now that he has a completely "senior-free" team, what has be achieved?

    His individual performance is also very poor. He hasn't scored at the rate he used to score. As a matter of fact, he has hardly hit any fours and sixes of late.

  • Pulkit.Delhi on June 15, 2009, 12:30 GMT

    It is not really the order or missing out the Sehwag. The real difference has been fielding of India lack behind that of West Indies and England. This has been really a big drawback from past many seasons. and Indian Team has been unable to improve it. There were hardly any misfielding from England in comparison to India.

  • vsrajan on June 15, 2009, 12:05 GMT

    People can easily criticize at the hindsight. One loss cannot take away the credit gained over the last two years. It is after all, a game of cricket. On any given day, minnows can beat the World champions - Holland beating England, Australia sent out in the first round along with Scotland and Bangladesh. It doesnt matter. But the fact is that Indian players known for 'fearless' cricket succumb to pressure and short-pitched deliveries. Now they should sit and analyse the mistakes and should ensure they dont commit the same in future. All the hype about wrong strategy, meddling with batting order are all wasteful comments. If India had won this match, these strategies would have been commented as 'brilliant'. Let us stop these comments and criticisms and get on with life. MSD and boys deserve as much praise as they would have won World cup. Guys, pl concentrate on ICC World Cup 2011 and try to win the same in our home grounds! Best of Luck guys!!!!!!

  • nishant_g on June 15, 2009, 12:03 GMT

    In my opinion, whoever took the decision of completing Ishant's spell of 4 overs was a blow. He went for 13 runs in his 1st over and still went on to complete his spell where as RP Singh and PK who were hyped to be better bowlers of swing were not even given a proper chance. RP, the IPL purple cap owner and Zaheer were given just 3 overs !!!!! And i never understood, why didnt the team try Rohit Sharma and Suresh Raina in bowling. Dhoni had made a statement that he had plenty of options when the team had left for England. About batting, Rohit Sharma always batted in the middle order and he succeeded almost always. Opening with Yusuf would have been much meaningful. followed by Raina->Rohit->Dhoni->Jadeja. In last T20 wc, indian side was fearless. They did everything with hunger. This time, our team was much stronger but still were on a defensive approach. Dhoni has not only changed his batting style, but also changed his captaincy style, which resulted in indian team's decline.

  • Paul.Power on June 15, 2009, 12:00 GMT

    Re phenom_007: Maybe your players with a test and ODI pedigree are decent enough against the short ball, but Sharma, Raini and Jadeja looked like startled rabbits when the ball was pitched back of a length.

  • Sohaib.Khan on June 15, 2009, 11:50 GMT

    I don't think that Jedeja's promotion is the reason for loss. If peope remember the Last WC T20 Final, Dhoni gave the last over to Joginder which converted to pride due to Misbah's fault otherwise it was also a gamble. But, People didn't realize that gamble due to win and now realizing this gamble due to loss. In my dictionary, this is all related to risky strategy which sometimes work and sometimes not.

    In any opinion, there were 2 mistales done by Dhoni. FIRST, Ask England to Bat First - In crunch games, batting 2nd mostly goes against you. SECOND, saving himself and Yuvraj at the pressure time means he went for the defensive approach which caused them. Big Players always face the music.

    Anyways, a Good Match - Hard Luck for Indians - Bad Response from Indian Citizens - Indian Citizens should understand that No Team can't win each and every match and WC.

  • nikes222 on June 15, 2009, 11:44 GMT

    The game only became tight in the closing over, England ruled the roost in the Indian innings. Raina and Sharma got out playing the same shots, jadeja struggled and should not have been sent at number 3....total failure of statergy

  • alim597 on June 15, 2009, 11:44 GMT

    well a lot of errors were made by indian team, some by captain like not bowling singh and zaheer for full overs, and rest by team like harbajan's wides & yuvi's misfielding etc...but still India had a lot of chance to recover while batting... i think biggest mistake was sending jadega up the order, i dont know who to critisize on this batting line up but captain should be blamed certainly. One more thing i have observed in quite few matches, u might have better answer for it is, Why does Dhoni come up the order (no 3) when it is easy chase and in tough times he is down the order???

  • Dhitik on June 15, 2009, 11:41 GMT

    what if the move of sending Jadeja had clicked, the same move could have been hailed as a master stroke by captain kool. Just a bad day in office for the men in blue, plz donot forget they are currently one of the best in odi and test.....t20 is any body's game, with loads of luck needed to back talent...and sadly this time, luck was not on our side.........

  • crick_fan.game on June 15, 2009, 11:38 GMT

    There are couple of the reasons for lost the Sunday match against England. I surprised no body can point out one important point, that is extra run. can any body see what the difference between their extra and our extra? 10 Runs extra only for wide, means 10 extra ball they played and they scored minimum 25 runs on that's extra ball. I think this is the main reason of the lost. Other reasons are - Jadeja on No. 4 instead of Yuvi, one additional over from Ishant, which should be more expensive, in that case where R.P.(Most succcessful bowler) was balance 1 over, 2 over from Yuvaraj, and no use of Yousif(Succecive bowler of last match). In a single line what ever decission Dhoni took at last match most of the decission was failure.

  • intruder.killer on June 15, 2009, 11:31 GMT

    I think india just got carried away,they started thinking about the Cup waay to early.Indian media created too much hype with YEH CUP KAHEIN NAI JYA GA n all which added pressure. I really thought india was one of the favorites but nuffin is certain in this format.Blaming dhoni is unfair cz indians considered him a Genius till a week bk.its just that indian batsmen kinda showd that we arent that effective with the short ball.as for the fans,just sit bk n relax.Other teams are there to play too,u cant win everytime.

  • Raj_pandian on June 15, 2009, 11:31 GMT

    I think people are bit harsh in Criticizing our performance in the T20 world cup...T20 is a kind of format where we can't judge anything… England and WI planned very well and they implemented things in a very effective manner. Dhoni is a very good captain , there is no doubt in that. People make mistakes , nobody will be perfect all the time. So we can't blame for the loss.

  • Dilseben on June 15, 2009, 11:28 GMT

    Defeats are bound to happen..but one thing that has been really exposed is the sluggish fielding we metted out in the last 2 matches.If it wasnt for the numerous misfields..we would have definitely won against West Indies & England.Dhoni missing the run out chance of Bravo when he just in the 20s, Bhajjis wides in the 18th & 20th which ran away for 4s,the last one of which was misfielded by Yuvraj, Zaheer's misfield for 4 yday, Yuvraj's dropped a doly against Bangladesh etc etc.The batting did struggle against short pitch deliveries,but not to the extent of losing the matches...i totally believe,it was coz of the sub standard fielding.Usually Pakistan takes that title,but in this World Cup,India was the worst fielding team.Anywaz all is not lost,coz there are more tournaments & we can surely iron out these defects & come back stronger

  • Fahad83 on June 15, 2009, 11:28 GMT

    Although I am not an Indian, I believe India is an excellant team and they were missing Sachin. He would have been a great psychological advantage over any team, particularly after Sehwag's exit. Like Yuvi in middle order, he could have played an anchor role at the top of batting order against tough opponent. Other teams have utilized the strengths of their major players in O.D.I. (Kallis, Jaysuriya, Peterson, Younus Khan, Smith etc). High expectations also resulted in poor performance.

  • cosair89 on June 15, 2009, 11:27 GMT

    It appears that India did not study the weakness of the opposing batsmen and plan a strategy to dismiss them. The batting line up must be maintained not shifted as batsmen should play in positions that suit them best. Bowlers should not give wides or no balls as this proves costly. India's weaknesses must be corrected such as playing short pitched deliveries etc so that bowlers will not exploit them. Lets hope they put a better performance against SA to save face.

  • Kiran525 on June 15, 2009, 11:27 GMT

    First of all, Jadeja shouldn't have replaced Ojha, who was India's leading wicket taker prior to the match. Secondly, RP Singh should have replaced Ishant Sharma who has had an absolute shocker of a tournament. The whole Dhoni vs the media issue has serioulsly taken a toll on Dhoni and has effected his performances. India fans shouldn't really be getting so angry, even though we have won the the tournament before, it doesn't really count for much. I would be satisfied when India are the Number 1 test and ODI side in the world.

  • CB20 on June 15, 2009, 11:26 GMT

    how can other teams "work India out" in a flash? what were they waiting for? the T20 world cup to start? a lot of these players also play for India in other formats of the game...why didn't the other teams "work them out" when India won the last few series for example: against Sri Lanka, England??

    to fall back on the age old Game Theory...India would also have worked the other teams out! and worked out the other team's plans of "working India out"...... you get my point?

    It's a rather forced view of India's performance and is devoid of any logic...cricketing logic.

    India is a fabulous team and am not saying this because its the right thing to do i.e. show our support in times of loss....but am saying this because perhaps it's time to leave them alone - thats the right thing to do!

    they'll bounce back...they really will and we will be entertained!

  • Avid.Cricket.Watcher on June 15, 2009, 11:23 GMT

    Well played England! Although it's disappointing to see India exit before even the semis, one has to acknowledge a terrific bowling performance by the English (and, in a do-or-die game). That was top class short bowling, and great discipline too - barely a wide, no no-balls and no gifts to the batsmen. In contrast, Zaheer gave 2 legside freebies in his 2nd over, Bhajji gave away 10 wides, and Ishant was disappointing again (compounded by mis-fields from Zaheer and Yuvraj). I feel bad for Dhoni and his team, but perhaps some positives for the long-term (eg. more emphasis on batting technique and fielding) will emerge from this loss too (as after the 2007 ODI WC loss). We'll see.

  • waqaspai on June 15, 2009, 11:22 GMT

    Dhoni has gambled a lot thru out his captaincy. This time the gamble didnt work out.

    He took a big gamble by making the bowler "sharma" bowl the last over of the final of the T20 worldcup 2007 against Pakistan. Had misbah lodged that delivery to a 6, Dhoni would have been a gone story. He would have been grilled by far more heated questions than he is now.

    This time, as Dhoni was made to believe he cannot do anything wrong , gambled with another person Jadeja, and this time the gamble did not pay off.

    Gamble do not always pay off. Dhoni should learn it now. This time his gamble did not pay.

  • killer587 on June 15, 2009, 11:21 GMT

    India kicked out of the world cup because of a simple fact the new players including Ishant,Rohit,Pathan,Raina and Jadeja were not at par with the international standards of cricket...IPL hype wasnt sustainable and it was just a matter of time these IPL heroes will be welcomed to real Cricket.All of them played well in 14 league matches but none of them performed in 2 vital semis and the the final of IPL(as it were the Gilchrist Kumble show mostly).there are no chances again and again in the international cricket which IPL offered to these indian new so called super stars....

  • ramky1975 on June 15, 2009, 11:20 GMT

    150 plus is always gettable. What made the difference was India wasnt able to get a flying start. Right from nowhere WI & England have rediscovered the art of bowling short pitched deliveries. What tilted the match was Jadeja's 35 ball 25. He wasnt given the room to play his shots.

    But its surprising that after a loss knives are out. This loss and early exit will give them good time to think and relax. Its a young team and they will bounce back.

  • abhijithsimha on June 15, 2009, 11:19 GMT

    bring back Sachin to bail us out one more time.....Gambhir, Harbhajan, Jadeja, are not match winners, we should not have them in the squad if they are not in form....

  • Blushi on June 15, 2009, 11:12 GMT

    Never Mind boys, it happens sometimes when your morale goes down and especially INDIAN players were under pressure and it was ENGLAND's plan that worked out and especially JADEJA's number was not the correct one from COACH & CAPTAIN. nevertheless forget the past and look forward to the future: Yuvraj's first ball SIX was the warning message for ENGLAND but they executed their plans very well and it worked out for them. INDIA OUT OF THE RACE...

  • Mad_abt_Kirikett on June 15, 2009, 11:12 GMT

    I donno wat our captain tried to with 60 to win 5 overs...They just tried to rotate the strike instead of chasing for boundaries which are much needed at that time...Even in last Over...where we need 19 runs to win...thr first 3 balls were just singles. making us 15 to win from Last 3 balls....Even in WI match he played 23 balls just to make 10 Runs....so defensive...and post macth he said "I got ouot at right time so we made just 140+. Had he been there for more time we shud have wound up by 130 only..." I dont understand...his attitude.... See the way English men body language on the ground...they know it must win game and delivered...Its too mush to expect to win every match u play...but in yesterday's match u cannot see any Hunger for victory.....they played in comfort zone....Its very true as Bedi said, No players are greater than Game...The board is giving VETO power to players which is not good for a Team Game.....BCCI hope u r listening....

  • MarcB on June 15, 2009, 11:02 GMT

    Criticism of the Indian performance seems a bit harsh. The game was very tight. The difference was KP's 46 and India's wides. England's bowlers had a plan and their tails up and got the better of an otherwise class outfit. I agree with Pissed-Off_Cricket_Fan here. Dhoni is a creative captain who will try things out and is willing to take the odd risk. Judge him and the team over time and not on one competition or even performance. I've not been a fan of Twenty20 but some of these games have been very exciting and entertaining, credit to the teams for that.

  • shikhar316 on June 15, 2009, 11:01 GMT

    it is quite disheartful to know dat sum people consider cricket as religion nd our players as god,but wen d same set of players underperform people just trash them.being a lover of sport and a sport like cricket everybody should realise that the game not only tests the character of the players but also the supporters.players are meant to try and play/perform and supporters are not meant to support what may come.dhoni is the same captain who brought pride to the nation,was the same to gamble with joginder singh in the final over of the 2007 finals and luckily the gamble paid off,but today this was not meant to be and everybody is behind his back questioning his decision.everyone should realise that before playing for the country,they too were just normal people like we are and as we are disheartened wid d loss,the same must be the case with them.who in the hell likes to lose.sometimes the decision works and some time it doesnt.but the people of the country should always be wid them.

  • nadal on June 15, 2009, 10:49 GMT

    Well some time had to lose after winning many tours and sunday was the day.......I think by promoting Ravindra Jadeja up the order, India paid th price..And well Sehwag's absence was undoubtedly felt... Media played another crucial role in the loss of the team by creating talks about the rift....I definitely agree Mr. Rajput's comments...... Hats Off to you Sir..... It is very sad that you are not the coach this time around....But even Mr. Gary Kirsten is definitely a very good coach...But it's hard luck this time....No problem....But definitely next time

    " Yeh Cup Kahin Nahin Jaayega"

  • AnilMaskey on June 15, 2009, 10:45 GMT

    West Indies should get all the credit for reminding the Englishmen that historically, Indian batsman have always been vulnerable to good short pitched fast bowling. Because of some good overseas performance of some Indian batsman, most of the teams seemed to forget this fact. West Indies think tank should be applauded for re-discovering this strategy.

  • mvcric on June 15, 2009, 10:45 GMT

    Everyone seems to forget the two stupid wides sent down by Harbhajan in the 18th and 20th overs respectively that added 10 runs to England's total. He is a wicket taker, no doubt, but lets his emotions get the better of him and has little of the precise control you would expect a bowler of his calibre with 10+ years of international experience to have. Considering that, in the end, the difference was a mere 3 runs, one has to wonder what the result might have been had he not needlessly fired in those two deliveries. And, both of them were the last deliveries of the overs.

  • phenom_007 on June 15, 2009, 10:44 GMT

    It's horrendous to listen that team's have worked out Indians. And all these talk about short pictch bowling did us in, is no more than a hogwash... Was it like that Teams woke up in the morning and eureka! they found out the chink in our armoury... Laughable.... Weren't we bombarded with such bowling when we went onto rout Aussies in the CB series, and what about us faring so very well in the last edition's World T20 cup. Hadn't we pined poms when we last toured England. Didn't Flintoff tried to the hilt to unsettle us with his back of length stuffs only to be taken to the cleaners Just one exit from the major tournament and pat hell broke... Such is this format that even impossibles do unfolds in front of our eyes. For Example Aussies exit, Ireland almost nailing the Lankans and Indians been not able to make it to the last four... It's more about an individual than the team... One good over and you are left high and dry. Nervertheless lets focus on the future and start afresh

  • csango on June 15, 2009, 10:32 GMT

    I disagree with Rajput, India very evidently succumbed to pressure from expectations & media added to the ill effects diligently. The pressure is evident easily from fielding efforts from the so called reliable-s of the team like Yuvi, Bhajji (in WI game), the fearlessness was missing that caused the downfall of Indian team. This is good failure in a way because I am sure Dhoni & boys will come out more strong from this, and more importantly start developing flexible attitude abt. team selection, for e.g. What if Ishant is big name, if he is out of sorts give him break or don't expose him etc. I am sure Indian think tank will reflect on such and more things

  • spintl on June 15, 2009, 10:30 GMT

    Reasons for India's debacle in yesterday's match: 1. Poor fielding, remember the 5 wides that Bhajji gave with UV misfielding. 2. They were lethargic on the field, some of the fast bowlers were clearly exhausted, as they were going back to run-up really slowly. 3. Giving Inshant 4 overs when he was leaking runs, RP was given just 3 when he was the most economical. 4. Sending Jadeja up the order - BIG MISTAKE 5. Rotating strike - that is the bane of Indian cricket for time immemorial!! Indians always want to hit 4s!!! 6. Lastly, inability to face Short pitched deliveries!!!

  • chandsethu on June 15, 2009, 10:24 GMT

    Accusing a team after its loss means that everybody is not taking the game in right spirits. It is really sad that so many people in India teach cricket to the players in the middle. One can discuss about the game and where one went wrong or right. But accusing people, who played with high spirits can't be tolerated. It is actually a known fact that people in India don't watch cricket with game spirit. The players don't playing for loosing and it happens in the game, as after all only one could win in every game. So i would appreciate if people stop criticizing, as the players themselves know where they committed the mistake and there are few experts like Mr.Rajput or other senior players to pinpoint the areas of improvement and guide them. So let us stop abusing our players and enjoy the beauty of the game.

  • manohar.nagaraju on June 15, 2009, 10:21 GMT

    Not only should Yuvi have come in at 4, In my opinion he should have come in at 3 as he is better equipped to handle fast bowling and he pulls well. He was also the in-form batsman. Moreover, Raina was in good form in IPL and he was only struggling against short bowling. So Raina at 4/5 could have had an impact against the spinners and slow bowlers in the middle.

  • cydinuk on June 15, 2009, 10:19 GMT

    How costly were those 5 wides off Harbhajan's last over??!! If that was fielded India would've been chasing 150 to win! Just another little insult to the injury.

  • manohar.nagaraju on June 15, 2009, 10:15 GMT

    Not only should Yuvi have been sent higher, in my opinion Yuvi should have come in at No.3. Raina was in good form in IPL, however his weakness against short bowling was being exploited. Raina at 4/5 could have made a better impact as england did not have good spinners in their side and moreover the fast bowlers would not have been in operation at that time. And Yuvi, the form player would have had a huge impact at 3 both in scoring and keeping wickets as he is quite comfortable against fast bowling.

  • Sitting-on-a-gate on June 15, 2009, 10:10 GMT

    Well, the castle had to come crashing down sometime...Three of Indias best players of the the short ball, Dravid (arguably the best in the world against that stuff), Laksman and Tendulkar are not in the team. In the recent test wins that have given the team an aura, it has been the contribution of these 3 that have ensured that the others could play around them. With the New Deal of Dhoni, VVS and Dravid were scalped early on, because of the perceived inability to score runs fast. Well if Dhonis painful batting in the two matches is any indication, then he too has no place in the side. But that is not the way forward, India needs to balance the side out and not just rely on Tyros who can whack a ball a mile. They also need to bring in some experienced players (at least Sachin) who can work the ball with soft hands and score at a strike rate of 120 so that the team does not lose its way in the middle overs with everyone trying to hit sixes.

  • Punjabi-Lion on June 15, 2009, 10:08 GMT

    In my view if Dhoni thought to hold back Yuvraj was the right decision, he made a mistake in by sending Jadeja. The nearest replacement Dhoni could send was Yusuf Pathan, 1- we all know how much damange he can do with the bat , 2-He is a right hander. Sending in pathan would have brought some boundries in, taking some pressure off Gambhir who could anchored the innings plus the left-right hand combination would have made bowlers change the line and length and made the fielders run around. Dhoni also must have played either Praveen Kumar or Irfan Pathan instead of the struggling Ishant Sharma. Both the of them are more experienced bowlers than him and know better than Ishant how to user change of pace etc etc plus it gives the team another all rounder thou Praveen can slog a few biggies but Irfan is a genuine all rounder. This makes the opposition think of how to handle a long batting line.....

  • MANKIRAN on June 15, 2009, 10:02 GMT

    I like the comments from Mr. Rajput that all other teams had worked out some plans.. but did out team do it?? it seems no ..c'ze every time we entered in the game our captain cool had some different plans...and not for the opponent..but our internal plan...batting line up.etc...we still follow out own old traditional team selection strategy....why u want to drop Irfan (with last match analysis of 2-0-9-2)...c'ze u want to replace left handed bowler with the same one?? can't we replace Ishant Sharma...(no c;ze our traditional way says we atleast need a right handed bowler in the team,,i don't know for what...may be for giving some extra runs to give batting practice to our batsman.)...had any one noticed that what yousuf pathan was doing...if you want yousuf to run so many one's and two's ...forget it he will not give you those big sixers..(which were really req. and he was the best to do it)...dhoni made mess of it by making lot's of running with yousuf...(once yousuf had given up..)..

  • anshumans1 on June 15, 2009, 10:02 GMT

    I think that rather than other teams having worked India out it was the Indian team's attitude that they failed to make it to the knockout stage of the competition. It was not that they were unable to sort out the short pitched bowling because India did end up getting 150 in the end. Let us not forget that England managed to score only 153 against the Indian attack and there was no short pitched bowling involved. Indian team lost because they were living in a different world thinking that they were above everyone else. They were complacent and did not take the tournament seriously. Maybe with so much IPL money involved there is not enough pride left in representing the country anymore. And the main reason for loss yesterday. If Jadeja was sent in to stabilize the innings then why was he trying to hit every ball to the boundary when it was clear that he can't hit a cricket ball hard enough. All he needed to do was place the ball in the gaps and take singles.

  • Paki.Fan. on June 15, 2009, 9:51 GMT

    I never understand why Indian fans are always on extremes, when your team play good you make them Gods and when they fail you trash them. When Dhoni was trying things and it was working he was genius and when the plan fails he is crap, Please give your team a break, they are class acts and every team has its ups and downs, you cannot win everything, My advice, be modest in your victories and Honorable in your failures. It always works

  • rakshit_dosti on June 15, 2009, 9:50 GMT

    I was also surprised to see Zaheer bowling 19th over while RP singh has 1 more to go. Ishant needs to work on his line/length rather than speed. Dhoni is the one who believes in doing experiments in game. Before T20 cup, he was winning the gambles. Ravi Jadeja was a gamble at No 4, he lost that. Also, Yuvraj made 67 off 43 balls in last game against WI but he is not reliable player at all.

  • Talha.Mian on June 15, 2009, 9:47 GMT

    India actually lost due to the IPL, because situations are a lot different in the IPL and int. T20 and the indians were trying to play T20 just like they play the IPL and they believed they could win that way.

  • crikeater87 on June 15, 2009, 9:47 GMT

    It was the first time an Indian team entered into a big competition with a tag of hot favourites. No other team looked even half as good as Indians did on paper.

    Abundance becomes a curse. Dhoni got it all messed up with an abundance of talent in the team. Too many choices did not allow him to stick with one winning combination of the team.

    Admit it or not! Fatigue of IPL has to do so much with this loss. So important it is to enter fresh into a tournament of this scale.

    Controversy over Sehwag, Rohit Sharma ( the best middle order batsman in a T20 game) opening, RP Singh ( the best T20 Indian fast bowler) missing, Dhoni himself batting at no.3 in practice matches, and Jadeja sent again to bat up the order when he had already cost them a match in exactly the same manner(the practice game against NZ) are perhaps the mistakes one wasn't expecting from Dhoni to commit.

  • raja_sangli on June 15, 2009, 9:46 GMT

    It is sad but the truth is India just don't have the luck this time. Also some stupidious selection add to overreliance on youngsters like Jadeja, Ishant, Rohit cost them 2 super eight matches. Fielding of some guys was below average. Experienced guys like Dhoni, Zaheer, Harbhajan were just average. Apart from Yuvraj's knock against WI, no one was spectacular. Yusuf's skill not used properly. Gambhir was out of sorts & Raina look lost with short balls. Sehwag was dearly missed in top order. He would have made huge difference. Also instead of Rohit Yusuf would have given the duty of opener. He was always coming when there were just a few over left. Dhoni should bat like he was batting when he arrived to international scene. Players like Amit Singh, Sudeep Tyagi, A. Nayar, Badrinath, Manish Paney should have been selected. Lets hope for better tomorrow as this is not the end of life or roads. Good luck.

  • Jollz on June 15, 2009, 9:43 GMT

    We can come up with hundreds of reasons since India lost, the point is they were exposed & planning just didnot come off. Had Jadeja scored a quickfire 40, we all would have been praising Dhoni. What was baffling to see was with 2 balls remaining, India needed 9 to win. Yusuf struck wide of long on & Dhoni just refused the second run which would have left India needed six of the last ball to take the match into the super over. Maybe Dhoni couldn't see Yusuf Pathan becoming the hero when he was out there. Somebody tell Dhoni " o one is bigger than the game". He mayB a superstar allrite, but the game has seen many bigger super stars than Dhoni.It totally shocked me when Dhoni refused the second where 5 strides from hiim, n he would hve reached non-strikers end easily YEH CUP KAHEIN NAHIN JAYE GA------------------> Say Whaaa India ??

  • HAMMADNASIR1 on June 15, 2009, 9:42 GMT

    i think that dhoni misjudged the timing of his innings altogether, he didnt look as fresh as he does regularly also. when dhoni can hit a four like he did on the last ball, an un-believable hit, and the last six of yusuf, i cant undertand why on earth, dhoni kept on pushing for singles and twos in the preceding overs? like sudzz said, indian batters are not well equipped to play short balls. and in the end i dare to say that broad balled fantastically well in the end. balling round the wicket, wide of off stump, wonderful!!!

  • Ram_H on June 15, 2009, 9:42 GMT

    it's easy to say that Dhoni did mistakes but nothing he can do if every plan made went wrong.Dont think i'm supporting Dhoni but i'm just trying to tell that it's the execution where INDIA failed,may because of mental fatigue or some thing else they are totally failed to perform up to the mark. One thing they should remember while playing international cricket is they are playing for Pride of The NATION not for anything else. And media people has to support the players as they are supposed to. but nowaday's they are just spreading the rumours for filling up the sports news.this may be because of lack of professional journalism.

    Finally i know very well that INDIA will come up with good show in coming days Good Luck For DHONI's Dynamites

  • Aspraso on June 15, 2009, 9:36 GMT

    India lost because we have been brought up on a diet of IPL -- where team selection is driven by quotas rather than by merit , where boundaries are shortened to create awe, where there are strategy breaks to stifle the momentum, song n dance, etc. -- whereas these international T20s is the place where they sift the boys from the men. Hence we truly got sifted. And then we have a captain (who had just lost his team Chennai Kings a place in the IPL2 finals through a lack of application of mind) who over fiddles with the team composition, order and stability instead of going by the adage "never look into the mouth of a gift horse". Therefore we are finally where we belong. Every captain reaches his level of incompetency, only this one has reached the fastest!!

  • lobster_man on June 15, 2009, 9:36 GMT

    Whom would you call favorites in a roll-of-dice? Unduly overrated Indian team deserved what it got. SA should nail the coffin.

    Now, I'm really looking forward to the rest of the tournament.

  • Maddysdad on June 15, 2009, 9:34 GMT

    How crual the Indian fans are on the performance of their team, only a few weeks ago the same team and captain were hailed as the best ever, these fans and media are like this, they suffer from acute short term memory loss, one day you are hero and the next you are the biggest culprit if you don't come out good.

    People should grow up and realise that great teams remain the best over a long period of time, aussies are the best example they had a few setbacks lately but they always come out blasting, take the example of the series in SA, they were down and out a few months ago and then they took revenge.

    Indian team has no doubt the best batting line up but that does not make them best as yet, they'll have to do it over and over again to be counted as a great team. Just a fluke like 2007 T20 WCup will not make them the best.

  • Somarouthu on June 15, 2009, 9:33 GMT

    Rajput is correct with the fact that Indian batsman struggled with the short balls. This loss is good for the future of Indian cricket.

    All the youngsters in Indian team should realize that they are still young and need to understand the fact that they still need to learn a lot. If they are not realizing then its couch's responsibility to make them realize...

    Youngsters should know, why the players like Sachin, Dravid are great players!!!

  • __PK on June 15, 2009, 9:29 GMT

    Did anyone really expect a middle-of-the-table side like India to dominate? Talk about over-reacting to a single T20 tournament win. Oh well, that's it for T20 - when the Indian public see they're no better than anyone else, they'll take their bat and ball and go home.

  • Uranium on June 15, 2009, 9:28 GMT

    Rajput is wrong: "Most of the foreign players in World Twenty20 have also played two seasons of IPL" Each of Windies and England only had like 3 players who played IPL games this season. He's just trying to make excuses. His reasons are scatter-brained.

    I think its probably the pressure of 1.2 billion people and the pushy Indian media which choked the Indian team. India now have the talent pool, the resources, the experience (all through IPL) but they simply don't have the mental toughness.

  • A.C. on June 15, 2009, 9:28 GMT

    In my view it is very obvious that bringing Jadeja into bat in the line-up before players such as Yuvraj ande Dhoni was a big big mistake which may have cost india the match. In addition to this, India failed to be tactical by bowling first. This loss for india is an embarrasment because we all know full well, even if you were an england fan, that india can play much better than yesterday's weak performance. Sehwag was definitely missed by the Indian camp because the destruction that both him and Gambhir can unfold is remarkable.

  • PureTom on June 15, 2009, 8:50 GMT

    I like the comment that other teams have "caught up" with India since the 2007 WC. It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that the ICC members had to beg India to take part in that competition because they didn't take 20/20 seriously at all. India's biggest advantage in 2007 was that they were a complete unknown and were considered underdogs because they DID NOT play 20/20. Almost every other team had more exp, domestic or otherwise. That they won is testament to the brilliance of the Indian team, not some kind of experience advantage. This time they were favourites and so other teams took them far more seriously and made plans. I also had to chuckle that the implication that the use of the short ball against a sub-continental team is some kind of new and arcane trick. That trick has been around so long that it usually doesn't work anymore, anyone who tries to bounce out the India Test team is going to get a surprise. Pressure, bad luck (Viru) and poor selection are to blame.

  • navathej on June 15, 2009, 8:49 GMT

    India dint lose the game but they lost the pride in being called as champions..the thing which australia maintained for over a decade [:o]

  • arunasampath on June 15, 2009, 8:44 GMT

    Indians were never the favourites to win. Its all a creation of the media only. If they are the favourits how come they loss two in a row? It's time to understand its anybody's game.

  • Sudzz on June 15, 2009, 8:41 GMT

    Lets stop kidding around and admit a few things

    1. When the ground is of the right size (not artificially shortened like in the IPL), our players cannot handle it, balls don't for 6's and 4's that easily and one has to slog it out by running threes and twos which our team still does not understand

    2. Short pitched bowling intimidates our stalwarts bred on a staple diet of low slow bounce and gentle medium pace

    3. Cricketing acumen or the lack of it was on ample display, the way Jadeja a newbie got bogged down or the way Raina messed it up or for that matter the brain freeze that Sharma had is all evidence that easy runs have corrupted these youngsters and made stars of them before they could find their feet in man's game.

    4. Finally 154 was a easy target to chase, all it required was 7.5 runs an over, but in the lust to go after glory of boundaries they forgot that on such a large ground well placed ground strokes and hard run twos and threes would have brought the target closer...

  • cricRus on June 15, 2009, 8:41 GMT

    Good review Ajay but also remember that there were clear and grave errors made in this do or die encounter : 1- Lack of fire in the belly of Indians to win, visible in the sloppy fielding and body language, same mistake that Eng made against Netherlands- 'over confidence' 2- Poor captainship: Why does Ishant get 4 overs while RP gets 3, Why Yusuf after his wonderful bowling against W.Indies does not get to bowl at all and instead Yuvraj gets 2 overs. Field placement for Kevin P was poor and the obvious Jadeja before YV was a disaster. 3- Why no plan was in place to counter rising deliveries, a weakness highlighted by the W.Indies just a day ago.

    ReEasons are plenty but bottom line is the better and more professional team with a plan won while India got bamboozled.

    I have a funny feeling that Pak will go all the way with their new found spirit ! Luck favors the brave, India should have learned this by now!

  • IndusKnight on June 15, 2009, 8:34 GMT

    It is sad how Dhoni made a series of unexplainable mistakes. It is baffling. Not just in hindsight, but these mistakes are so blatantly amazing!

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  • IndusKnight on June 15, 2009, 8:34 GMT

    It is sad how Dhoni made a series of unexplainable mistakes. It is baffling. Not just in hindsight, but these mistakes are so blatantly amazing!

  • cricRus on June 15, 2009, 8:41 GMT

    Good review Ajay but also remember that there were clear and grave errors made in this do or die encounter : 1- Lack of fire in the belly of Indians to win, visible in the sloppy fielding and body language, same mistake that Eng made against Netherlands- 'over confidence' 2- Poor captainship: Why does Ishant get 4 overs while RP gets 3, Why Yusuf after his wonderful bowling against W.Indies does not get to bowl at all and instead Yuvraj gets 2 overs. Field placement for Kevin P was poor and the obvious Jadeja before YV was a disaster. 3- Why no plan was in place to counter rising deliveries, a weakness highlighted by the W.Indies just a day ago.

    ReEasons are plenty but bottom line is the better and more professional team with a plan won while India got bamboozled.

    I have a funny feeling that Pak will go all the way with their new found spirit ! Luck favors the brave, India should have learned this by now!

  • Sudzz on June 15, 2009, 8:41 GMT

    Lets stop kidding around and admit a few things

    1. When the ground is of the right size (not artificially shortened like in the IPL), our players cannot handle it, balls don't for 6's and 4's that easily and one has to slog it out by running threes and twos which our team still does not understand

    2. Short pitched bowling intimidates our stalwarts bred on a staple diet of low slow bounce and gentle medium pace

    3. Cricketing acumen or the lack of it was on ample display, the way Jadeja a newbie got bogged down or the way Raina messed it up or for that matter the brain freeze that Sharma had is all evidence that easy runs have corrupted these youngsters and made stars of them before they could find their feet in man's game.

    4. Finally 154 was a easy target to chase, all it required was 7.5 runs an over, but in the lust to go after glory of boundaries they forgot that on such a large ground well placed ground strokes and hard run twos and threes would have brought the target closer...

  • arunasampath on June 15, 2009, 8:44 GMT

    Indians were never the favourites to win. Its all a creation of the media only. If they are the favourits how come they loss two in a row? It's time to understand its anybody's game.

  • navathej on June 15, 2009, 8:49 GMT

    India dint lose the game but they lost the pride in being called as champions..the thing which australia maintained for over a decade [:o]

  • PureTom on June 15, 2009, 8:50 GMT

    I like the comment that other teams have "caught up" with India since the 2007 WC. It seems to have been conveniently forgotten that the ICC members had to beg India to take part in that competition because they didn't take 20/20 seriously at all. India's biggest advantage in 2007 was that they were a complete unknown and were considered underdogs because they DID NOT play 20/20. Almost every other team had more exp, domestic or otherwise. That they won is testament to the brilliance of the Indian team, not some kind of experience advantage. This time they were favourites and so other teams took them far more seriously and made plans. I also had to chuckle that the implication that the use of the short ball against a sub-continental team is some kind of new and arcane trick. That trick has been around so long that it usually doesn't work anymore, anyone who tries to bounce out the India Test team is going to get a surprise. Pressure, bad luck (Viru) and poor selection are to blame.

  • A.C. on June 15, 2009, 9:28 GMT

    In my view it is very obvious that bringing Jadeja into bat in the line-up before players such as Yuvraj ande Dhoni was a big big mistake which may have cost india the match. In addition to this, India failed to be tactical by bowling first. This loss for india is an embarrasment because we all know full well, even if you were an england fan, that india can play much better than yesterday's weak performance. Sehwag was definitely missed by the Indian camp because the destruction that both him and Gambhir can unfold is remarkable.

  • Uranium on June 15, 2009, 9:28 GMT

    Rajput is wrong: "Most of the foreign players in World Twenty20 have also played two seasons of IPL" Each of Windies and England only had like 3 players who played IPL games this season. He's just trying to make excuses. His reasons are scatter-brained.

    I think its probably the pressure of 1.2 billion people and the pushy Indian media which choked the Indian team. India now have the talent pool, the resources, the experience (all through IPL) but they simply don't have the mental toughness.

  • __PK on June 15, 2009, 9:29 GMT

    Did anyone really expect a middle-of-the-table side like India to dominate? Talk about over-reacting to a single T20 tournament win. Oh well, that's it for T20 - when the Indian public see they're no better than anyone else, they'll take their bat and ball and go home.

  • Somarouthu on June 15, 2009, 9:33 GMT

    Rajput is correct with the fact that Indian batsman struggled with the short balls. This loss is good for the future of Indian cricket.

    All the youngsters in Indian team should realize that they are still young and need to understand the fact that they still need to learn a lot. If they are not realizing then its couch's responsibility to make them realize...

    Youngsters should know, why the players like Sachin, Dravid are great players!!!