Australia news October 23, 2012

Warne tells Lyon to stick with basics

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Shane Warne has urged Nathan Lyon to simply focus on his stock ball rather than worrying about developing any new tricks as he aims to lock in his place as Australia's long-term Test spinner. And Warne said a potentially serious shoulder injury to the Victoria left-arm spinner Jon Holland, who he expected to be picked for next year's Ashes tour, could be a big blow as Australian cricket would need Holland as well as Lyon going forward.

Warne, who was at the MCG for his first net session since being named as captain of the Melbourne Stars, said there should be no question that Australia would play a spinner in the first Test against South Africa in Brisbane. The Gabba was Warne's most successful ground as a Test spinner - he took 68 wickets there at 20.30 - but the seam-friendly nature of Sheffield Shield pitches at the venue often makes four fast men a tempting option for selectors.

However, Australia's desire not to ask too much of its young fast men, combined with the fact that Lyon picked up seven wickets in his only Gabba Test, against New Zealand last year, means he will almost certainly play. Lyon is trying to regain his form in the Sheffield Shield after a disappointing Australia A tour of England this year and Warne believes Lyon, who conceded he had struggled with the avalanche of advice he had received over the past year, should go back to basics.

"Graeme Swann does okay [with only] the offbreak and the straight one. I think Nathan Lyon has done very well too," Warne said. "I think if he can just concentrate on his offbreak and the straight one I'm sure he'll be fine.

"For Nathan it's just to keep doing well. As a spinner, all you want to do is bowl well. Don't try too much stuff, just bowl well, and over a period of time you'll have better games than not. Keep spinning his offbreak, the odd straight one, think about the game pretty well, contribute to the team and that's it."

Warne believed Lyon and Holland could both play roles for Australia in future and he said he had very impressed with what he saw of Holland last year, when they were both on the Stars roster. Holland had been mentioned by the national selector John Inverarity as one of the two best spinners in the country last week, only to suffer a shoulder injury while fielding in club cricket at the weekend.

Holland was due to find out his prognosis after seeing a specialist on Tuesday, but there were strong fears within the Victoria camp that he would need a second shoulder reconstruction, having had one in 2010. Warne said Holland, who usually concentrates on a stock finger-spinner with subtle variations in pace and flight, was the kind of bowler who could provide value to Australia's Test team.

"Jon Holland is a big loss," Warne said. "I had him pencilled in about 12 or 18 months ago that him and Nathan Lyon would be on the Ashes next year and I was hopeful that both of them would play, especially for the balance of the team when you've got guys like Watson, Mitchell Marsh who can play as allrounders, you can play two spinners and one or two other quicks.

"It's a real big loss to lose Dutchy. He's really improved. I loved working with him last year. We worked on the mindset of bowling, how to approach bowling, and I think he really developed. He had a good finish to last year and he's been bowling really well. I really feel for Dutch and hopefully he'll be back as quick as possible because I really think Australian cricket needs him."

Brydon Coverdale is an assistant editor at ESPNcricinfo. He tweets here

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  • on October 26, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    Would be very difficult either way given I've never even been to Lancashire before? Lol?

  • Meety on October 25, 2012, 11:04 GMT

    @Hammond on (October 24 2012, 10:22 AM GMT) - not really - I never said you actually PLAYED in it! LOL!

  • Hammond on October 24, 2012, 10:22 GMT

    @Meety- you flatter me old chap, the highest level of cricket I ever played was 5th grade for Wyong (District). If I ever went over to England to play Lancashire Leagues would be way out of my League :)

  • Hammond on October 24, 2012, 10:10 GMT

    @Chris_P- it seems to be working for him- 42 @ 27.83 is a stellar start to a bowling career by any stretch of the imagination. I would hate to see him try and learn the doosra and totally stuff his action up. And don't worry about Meety, he is just in denial that a full blown fair dinkum Aussie can go for England.

  • Meety on October 23, 2012, 20:48 GMT

    @Chris_P on (October 23 2012, 19:24 PM GMT) - OzzyHammonds home cricket league is the Lancashire Leagues.

  • Chris_P on October 23, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    @Hammond. Totally agree. Lyons had a simple action bowled with a mxiture of spim & loop. Get back to basics, that is all we require from him.... perhaps a stint at the Baulko leagues might help?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on October 23, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Lyon and Hauritz would be my choices, and have been for some time. I've not seen much of O'Keefe so can't really comment on him. It really irks me that Aus. haven't tried to stick with Lyon and Hauritz more... the only reason I can think of is that perhaps they wont offer anything with the bat, whereas Doherty... Smith... White... supposidly could. I still don't get this though, as it's wickets that win tests, not runs. Lyon/Hauritz may not run through a batting line-up like Warne could, but they keep the runs down and the pressure on so the likes of McKay/Starc can strike at the other end.

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:10 GMT

    forget the melb stars king shane why dont you just become the spin bowling coach????? even if its just on a part time basis while in the team is at home... also i love the way warnie was talking here about having two spinners because you definetly could with watto and marsh potentially batting at 4 and 6 respectively come next year

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:06 GMT

    42 wickets at 27 in the last year with a couple of michelles to be the best spinner in the world behind ajmal. i would say just continue what he has been doing...

  • Beertjie on October 23, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Agree with most of what Warney says but there are few grounds (except in India) where Oz would pick 2 spinners (and Dutchy won't go there now). Hope he makes it by July because, while Lyon is OK, Dutchy could replace him if the English batters become too comfortable with Lyon.

  • on October 26, 2012, 5:37 GMT

    Would be very difficult either way given I've never even been to Lancashire before? Lol?

  • Meety on October 25, 2012, 11:04 GMT

    @Hammond on (October 24 2012, 10:22 AM GMT) - not really - I never said you actually PLAYED in it! LOL!

  • Hammond on October 24, 2012, 10:22 GMT

    @Meety- you flatter me old chap, the highest level of cricket I ever played was 5th grade for Wyong (District). If I ever went over to England to play Lancashire Leagues would be way out of my League :)

  • Hammond on October 24, 2012, 10:10 GMT

    @Chris_P- it seems to be working for him- 42 @ 27.83 is a stellar start to a bowling career by any stretch of the imagination. I would hate to see him try and learn the doosra and totally stuff his action up. And don't worry about Meety, he is just in denial that a full blown fair dinkum Aussie can go for England.

  • Meety on October 23, 2012, 20:48 GMT

    @Chris_P on (October 23 2012, 19:24 PM GMT) - OzzyHammonds home cricket league is the Lancashire Leagues.

  • Chris_P on October 23, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    @Hammond. Totally agree. Lyons had a simple action bowled with a mxiture of spim & loop. Get back to basics, that is all we require from him.... perhaps a stint at the Baulko leagues might help?

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on October 23, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Lyon and Hauritz would be my choices, and have been for some time. I've not seen much of O'Keefe so can't really comment on him. It really irks me that Aus. haven't tried to stick with Lyon and Hauritz more... the only reason I can think of is that perhaps they wont offer anything with the bat, whereas Doherty... Smith... White... supposidly could. I still don't get this though, as it's wickets that win tests, not runs. Lyon/Hauritz may not run through a batting line-up like Warne could, but they keep the runs down and the pressure on so the likes of McKay/Starc can strike at the other end.

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:10 GMT

    forget the melb stars king shane why dont you just become the spin bowling coach????? even if its just on a part time basis while in the team is at home... also i love the way warnie was talking here about having two spinners because you definetly could with watto and marsh potentially batting at 4 and 6 respectively come next year

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:06 GMT

    42 wickets at 27 in the last year with a couple of michelles to be the best spinner in the world behind ajmal. i would say just continue what he has been doing...

  • Beertjie on October 23, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Agree with most of what Warney says but there are few grounds (except in India) where Oz would pick 2 spinners (and Dutchy won't go there now). Hope he makes it by July because, while Lyon is OK, Dutchy could replace him if the English batters become too comfortable with Lyon.

  • Hammond on October 23, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    He has to stick with the basics. He hasn't got anything complex in his bowling armoury.

  • Meety on October 23, 2012, 5:25 GMT

    Whilst Holland has had talent for quite a while, I wonder how much of his more recent improvement has been from training with Warney??

  • Dashgar on October 23, 2012, 4:59 GMT

    Agree we should definitely play Lyon. Jon will be a loss but we have Michael Beer as backup as well as Steven O'Keefe so there's some depth there now. None of them are the calibre of Warne of course but they've passed most of the previous replacements such as Krezja, Hauritz, Smith and White.

  • bobagorof on October 23, 2012, 4:29 GMT

    I would have thought you'd need to get your basics right before mucking around with variations. Saqlain Mustaq became so pre-occupied with bowling his doosra that he lost his regular offbreak, and he suffered because of it.

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on October 23, 2012, 4:04 GMT

    always a pleasure to listen to warney talking about spin bowling

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  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on October 23, 2012, 4:04 GMT

    always a pleasure to listen to warney talking about spin bowling

  • bobagorof on October 23, 2012, 4:29 GMT

    I would have thought you'd need to get your basics right before mucking around with variations. Saqlain Mustaq became so pre-occupied with bowling his doosra that he lost his regular offbreak, and he suffered because of it.

  • Dashgar on October 23, 2012, 4:59 GMT

    Agree we should definitely play Lyon. Jon will be a loss but we have Michael Beer as backup as well as Steven O'Keefe so there's some depth there now. None of them are the calibre of Warne of course but they've passed most of the previous replacements such as Krezja, Hauritz, Smith and White.

  • Meety on October 23, 2012, 5:25 GMT

    Whilst Holland has had talent for quite a while, I wonder how much of his more recent improvement has been from training with Warney??

  • Hammond on October 23, 2012, 8:41 GMT

    He has to stick with the basics. He hasn't got anything complex in his bowling armoury.

  • Beertjie on October 23, 2012, 10:21 GMT

    Agree with most of what Warney says but there are few grounds (except in India) where Oz would pick 2 spinners (and Dutchy won't go there now). Hope he makes it by July because, while Lyon is OK, Dutchy could replace him if the English batters become too comfortable with Lyon.

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:06 GMT

    42 wickets at 27 in the last year with a couple of michelles to be the best spinner in the world behind ajmal. i would say just continue what he has been doing...

  • jonesy2 on October 23, 2012, 11:10 GMT

    forget the melb stars king shane why dont you just become the spin bowling coach????? even if its just on a part time basis while in the team is at home... also i love the way warnie was talking here about having two spinners because you definetly could with watto and marsh potentially batting at 4 and 6 respectively come next year

  • R_U_4_REAL_NICK on October 23, 2012, 12:51 GMT

    Lyon and Hauritz would be my choices, and have been for some time. I've not seen much of O'Keefe so can't really comment on him. It really irks me that Aus. haven't tried to stick with Lyon and Hauritz more... the only reason I can think of is that perhaps they wont offer anything with the bat, whereas Doherty... Smith... White... supposidly could. I still don't get this though, as it's wickets that win tests, not runs. Lyon/Hauritz may not run through a batting line-up like Warne could, but they keep the runs down and the pressure on so the likes of McKay/Starc can strike at the other end.

  • Chris_P on October 23, 2012, 19:24 GMT

    @Hammond. Totally agree. Lyons had a simple action bowled with a mxiture of spim & loop. Get back to basics, that is all we require from him.... perhaps a stint at the Baulko leagues might help?