Champions Trophy October 27, 2006

A dismal end to a dismal time

Pakistan left the Champions Trophy with dishonour today
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Pakistan left the Champions Trophy with dishonour today. While nobody expects Pakistan to win every game or every tournament, what is expected is that professional cricketers representing their country will show some spine. The Mohali pitch was an unfriendly Eid present from the local groundsman but it cannot entirely excuse the pitiful showing from Pakistan's batsmen. What is supposed to distinguish international cricketers from the rest of us is that they have the eye and the technique to handle even the most trying conditions. Pakistan's batsmen have shown again that unless they are playing on a straight up and down track they are the world's biggest bunnies.

This ineptitude has to end. On difficult, and particularly bouncy, pitches like Perth and this year's Old Trafford track Pakistan do not have the technique to hold out. Pakistan will inevitably blame the pitch, and they will have a case, but that does not escape the fact that because Pakistani batsmen crumble when the ball rumbles they remain some distance from conquering Australia and South Africa, destinations that are must wins on the road to world domination.

A miserable first tournament in charge was made worse by personal failure for Younis Khan. There were also some holes in his captaincy. It was mind boggling that on a pitch made for seam and South Africa reeling, Pakistan bowled so many overs of spin and Umar Gul and Yasir Arafat failed to bowl out. Admittedly, Yasir's first spell was too short but a wise and persuasive captain would have coaxed a second, fuller spell out of him. Gul, on the other hand, bowled only one bad ball--a ludicrously bad one--and there was no excuse for him not to complete his spell.

This Champions Trophy has confirmed two suspicions. First, Inzamam is as essential as ever to this Pakistani middle order, especially when the going gets tough. It will be a relief to see him back against West Indies. Second, if Pakistan are to have any chance of winning the World Cup they will require Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Asif--or at least one of them--to lead the bowling attack. Ethically you might imagine that there is no chance of that happening but the Pakistan Cricket Board isn't known for its ethical purity.

Ultimately, as mercurial as Pakistan are, the mayhem of the last few weeks was simply too much to overcome. Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia. We still want the flair, the threat of something brilliant. But my conclusion, and the lesson of the last 14 years, is that for that flair and that brilliance to thrill us and produce results Pakistan's cricketers require stable and sensible administration, management, and leadership. Above all, they need to learn how to fight like their lives depend on it.

Kamran Abbasi is an editor, writer and broadcaster. He tweets here

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  • AbdulMajid Siddiqui on October 28, 2006, 13:31 GMT

    Dear Abbasi, I am totally agree with your views about Pakistan Cricket’s state of affairs, just I would like to give more credit to South Africa for the way they played their cricket, its just fantastic.

    Whatever way we want to see Pakistan cricket it has shown us a demoralising picture:

     1. The appointment of Naseem Ashraf as Chief Executive of PCB, his senseless comments, and making issues out of no issues

    2. Can somebody define the roles and responsibilities of a “COACH”? Except playing with a laptop,making press conferences to disgrace his own team and not taking any responsibility of teams poor show

    3. Reappointment of Younus Khan after his pathetic attitude in front of press (he has proved unsuccessful in controlling his own emotions, how could he be successful in controlling the whole team)

    4. Keeping Afridi in the team even after a series of most pathetic displays of batting one could ever seen

    5. What our so called Cricket Academies have been doing since last three years in developing the batting and bowling techniques of our players?

    And the list will continue for ten more pages, but I want to stop here and pray to Allah to give sense and guts to our cricket management for running the cricket affairs of our country with some professionalism and loyalty.

  • danish ali on October 28, 2006, 10:49 GMT

    What a disaster for the whole nation! It was the saddest night along with that of 1st March 2003 and 9th March 1996 , when Pakistan team failed miserably and betrayed the whole nation's confidence.We are an unsecure nation and when we have such disasters, we lose more hope in our respective walks of life.This failure has not only dampened our confidence in our cricketing skills but has also seriously affected our personal lives directly or indirectly.

  • Salman Shakir on October 28, 2006, 10:32 GMT

    Pakistan team's biggest problem is that the players are inept and the wardrobe is empty. There is no player out there who can be regarded as a worthwhile replacement for Inzimam or Yousuf, or even be considered as a technically correct player who can provide the soilidity required in the batting order.

    All those current players like Imran Farhat and Shahid Afridi who have repeatedly shown lack of commitment and responsibility should be removed and replaced by yougsters like Asim Kamal, Faisal Iqbal, Bazid Khan, etc. With so much interest in this game in our country and with the amount of money involved, we should be hard nosed and choosey about who plays and who does not. Nobody has a right to be in the team, positions must be earned and held by those who show commitment and improvement.

  • Shahbaz Faheem on October 28, 2006, 10:24 GMT

    This match is lost because of the Younis Khan. It can happen only in Pakistan that Younis Khan is made captain of the team, otherwise he will not even qualify as a one day player in any other team let alone become the captain.

    I believe there are 3 players who dont deserve to be in the team: Imran Farhat, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan.

    Younis Khan captaincy was mind blowing. He looked utter stupid when batting, while captaining on the field or at the post match comments.

    I feel young talent like Shahid Yusuf and Samiullah Niazi, Anwer Ali and Yassir Hamid should be groom instead of repeating mediocre players with flaw techniques.

  • Jonathan on October 28, 2006, 10:04 GMT

    Excuse me Mr. Abbasi, but your comment, "Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia." is quite astounding. How can 5 wickets in 5 overs for 8 runs be sterile. Clinical, but not sterile.

  • Rafiq-ul-Islam on October 28, 2006, 9:52 GMT

    The way we lost the match, i must confess that i have to hang my head in shame. No i am not being emotional but this is exactly the way i think most of us are feeling at this point in time. In both our matches against NZ and South Africa we lost the grip when we were actually smelling blood. Pakistan cricket team is actually not a team but collection of individuals who on a given day can be brilliant and produce magic "if they are in the mood" otherwise they are simply individuals not not team players. so what is the difference between Pakistan and other teams like Australia and South Africa? People say it is the cricket infrastructure. I totally disagree with that. It comes to one fundamental thing i.e. ELEMENTARY DISCIPLINE. Take the case of a player like shaun Pollock. He is not at all talented and gifted. when he bowls, he has no pace BUT it is the consistency of bowling every delivery at the same spot- again and again- that delivers the output. Lastly, we are also responsible of putting our team at a high pedestal. When they beat India in India we make them demi-gods. I think this too triggers complacency. We also need to strike balance in our praise.

    having said that all what i had to I feel sorry and dejected. I will now start following Gulli danda or hide and seek instead

  • gabru on October 28, 2006, 9:52 GMT

    discipline is the problem or lack of it. Afridi has none, razzaq has none and the openers don't either. Razzaq had a good slog against sri-lanka and that was the type of innings needed at the time but that is the only type of innings razzaq and afridi know, they can't adapt. As for the openers pakistan should stick with 1 pair and not change them every match.

  • Arjun on October 28, 2006, 9:47 GMT

    Afridi/Farhat/Rana must be dropped. Afridi still thinks that he's playing gully cricket. I'm very upset to see their performance against SF. It's good that they lost this battle so they can learn something out of this pitch. Lets hope for better future of pakistan.

  • Immy786 on October 28, 2006, 9:40 GMT

    Well its confirms everything that we knew - there is no one to replace Inzy. Until few weeks ago, I was one of those wanting Inzy to retire honourably from 1-days and focus on tests but the events of recent weeks show that a) Younis is unfit to be pak captain because of his prima-donna attitude recently - he just too selfish b) the way he got out (he should have knuckled down and lead from front not play big shots and get out the way he did - this was not a way to lead from the front. No wonder Afridi perished the same way - he followed his captain's example) c) whats all the hype about Younis being a tactical genius etc etc - why wasnt Gul brought back to break the Boucher-Kemp partnership. Yes Hafeez bowled well to contain them but did he ever look like taking wickets. d) My suspcision is Younis doesnt have the respect of the team like Inzy has and the team is not playing for him. I have chnaged my mind about about Younis - he is cause of disharmony and now it just makes you appreciate Inzy even more. I already dread to think what will happen when Inzy goes. At least when Imran retired we had wasim, waqar, saeed etc but imagine where we will be without the gentle giant. Maybe Younis need to get some tips from Inzy on man management and leadership.

  • M. Ali Imran on October 28, 2006, 9:39 GMT

    Dear Mr.Kamran I'hv got a better idea for our so-called heroes that instead of sending the team for the tour of WI & SA,just simply send them to waziristan for atleast three months in the frontline so they will learn thr art of serviving/fighting for life situation. If they really want to comeup in the hunt of WC next year.

  • AbdulMajid Siddiqui on October 28, 2006, 13:31 GMT

    Dear Abbasi, I am totally agree with your views about Pakistan Cricket’s state of affairs, just I would like to give more credit to South Africa for the way they played their cricket, its just fantastic.

    Whatever way we want to see Pakistan cricket it has shown us a demoralising picture:

     1. The appointment of Naseem Ashraf as Chief Executive of PCB, his senseless comments, and making issues out of no issues

    2. Can somebody define the roles and responsibilities of a “COACH”? Except playing with a laptop,making press conferences to disgrace his own team and not taking any responsibility of teams poor show

    3. Reappointment of Younus Khan after his pathetic attitude in front of press (he has proved unsuccessful in controlling his own emotions, how could he be successful in controlling the whole team)

    4. Keeping Afridi in the team even after a series of most pathetic displays of batting one could ever seen

    5. What our so called Cricket Academies have been doing since last three years in developing the batting and bowling techniques of our players?

    And the list will continue for ten more pages, but I want to stop here and pray to Allah to give sense and guts to our cricket management for running the cricket affairs of our country with some professionalism and loyalty.

  • danish ali on October 28, 2006, 10:49 GMT

    What a disaster for the whole nation! It was the saddest night along with that of 1st March 2003 and 9th March 1996 , when Pakistan team failed miserably and betrayed the whole nation's confidence.We are an unsecure nation and when we have such disasters, we lose more hope in our respective walks of life.This failure has not only dampened our confidence in our cricketing skills but has also seriously affected our personal lives directly or indirectly.

  • Salman Shakir on October 28, 2006, 10:32 GMT

    Pakistan team's biggest problem is that the players are inept and the wardrobe is empty. There is no player out there who can be regarded as a worthwhile replacement for Inzimam or Yousuf, or even be considered as a technically correct player who can provide the soilidity required in the batting order.

    All those current players like Imran Farhat and Shahid Afridi who have repeatedly shown lack of commitment and responsibility should be removed and replaced by yougsters like Asim Kamal, Faisal Iqbal, Bazid Khan, etc. With so much interest in this game in our country and with the amount of money involved, we should be hard nosed and choosey about who plays and who does not. Nobody has a right to be in the team, positions must be earned and held by those who show commitment and improvement.

  • Shahbaz Faheem on October 28, 2006, 10:24 GMT

    This match is lost because of the Younis Khan. It can happen only in Pakistan that Younis Khan is made captain of the team, otherwise he will not even qualify as a one day player in any other team let alone become the captain.

    I believe there are 3 players who dont deserve to be in the team: Imran Farhat, Shahid Afridi and Younis Khan.

    Younis Khan captaincy was mind blowing. He looked utter stupid when batting, while captaining on the field or at the post match comments.

    I feel young talent like Shahid Yusuf and Samiullah Niazi, Anwer Ali and Yassir Hamid should be groom instead of repeating mediocre players with flaw techniques.

  • Jonathan on October 28, 2006, 10:04 GMT

    Excuse me Mr. Abbasi, but your comment, "Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia." is quite astounding. How can 5 wickets in 5 overs for 8 runs be sterile. Clinical, but not sterile.

  • Rafiq-ul-Islam on October 28, 2006, 9:52 GMT

    The way we lost the match, i must confess that i have to hang my head in shame. No i am not being emotional but this is exactly the way i think most of us are feeling at this point in time. In both our matches against NZ and South Africa we lost the grip when we were actually smelling blood. Pakistan cricket team is actually not a team but collection of individuals who on a given day can be brilliant and produce magic "if they are in the mood" otherwise they are simply individuals not not team players. so what is the difference between Pakistan and other teams like Australia and South Africa? People say it is the cricket infrastructure. I totally disagree with that. It comes to one fundamental thing i.e. ELEMENTARY DISCIPLINE. Take the case of a player like shaun Pollock. He is not at all talented and gifted. when he bowls, he has no pace BUT it is the consistency of bowling every delivery at the same spot- again and again- that delivers the output. Lastly, we are also responsible of putting our team at a high pedestal. When they beat India in India we make them demi-gods. I think this too triggers complacency. We also need to strike balance in our praise.

    having said that all what i had to I feel sorry and dejected. I will now start following Gulli danda or hide and seek instead

  • gabru on October 28, 2006, 9:52 GMT

    discipline is the problem or lack of it. Afridi has none, razzaq has none and the openers don't either. Razzaq had a good slog against sri-lanka and that was the type of innings needed at the time but that is the only type of innings razzaq and afridi know, they can't adapt. As for the openers pakistan should stick with 1 pair and not change them every match.

  • Arjun on October 28, 2006, 9:47 GMT

    Afridi/Farhat/Rana must be dropped. Afridi still thinks that he's playing gully cricket. I'm very upset to see their performance against SF. It's good that they lost this battle so they can learn something out of this pitch. Lets hope for better future of pakistan.

  • Immy786 on October 28, 2006, 9:40 GMT

    Well its confirms everything that we knew - there is no one to replace Inzy. Until few weeks ago, I was one of those wanting Inzy to retire honourably from 1-days and focus on tests but the events of recent weeks show that a) Younis is unfit to be pak captain because of his prima-donna attitude recently - he just too selfish b) the way he got out (he should have knuckled down and lead from front not play big shots and get out the way he did - this was not a way to lead from the front. No wonder Afridi perished the same way - he followed his captain's example) c) whats all the hype about Younis being a tactical genius etc etc - why wasnt Gul brought back to break the Boucher-Kemp partnership. Yes Hafeez bowled well to contain them but did he ever look like taking wickets. d) My suspcision is Younis doesnt have the respect of the team like Inzy has and the team is not playing for him. I have chnaged my mind about about Younis - he is cause of disharmony and now it just makes you appreciate Inzy even more. I already dread to think what will happen when Inzy goes. At least when Imran retired we had wasim, waqar, saeed etc but imagine where we will be without the gentle giant. Maybe Younis need to get some tips from Inzy on man management and leadership.

  • M. Ali Imran on October 28, 2006, 9:39 GMT

    Dear Mr.Kamran I'hv got a better idea for our so-called heroes that instead of sending the team for the tour of WI & SA,just simply send them to waziristan for atleast three months in the frontline so they will learn thr art of serviving/fighting for life situation. If they really want to comeup in the hunt of WC next year.

  • Zahid Khan on October 28, 2006, 9:30 GMT

    this is a performance that was due to happen. pakistan has not performed in its batting with great confidence for a long time. the team does not play for its country any more, nor for themselves but just for there central contracts. the PCB should change there contracts to pay as you perform. maybe then they will perform. the imran khan and javed miandad days are sadly long gone. the passion for cricket, the desire to represent your country, to please your supporters and most of all.....to use your brain when you are batting is finished. our coach bob woolmer.....a non pakistani has all these aspects, but the players have nothing. now that is the biggest shame of all.

  • R.Sankar on October 28, 2006, 9:24 GMT

    It was a sub-standard pitch for a one day match, let us makes no bones about that. So much lateral movement and bounce all day. Let's not self-flaggelate and say sub-continental batsmen cannot play pace, bounce and seam. To be sure, most of them are found wanting, but so are batsmen from other countries who are supposedly brought up in these conditions. Else, how does one explain SA's 42/5? Graeme Smith and Herschelle Gibbs possess no better techinique againt pace and seam than a Sehwag or a Farhat.

  • Nouman Ayoub on October 28, 2006, 9:15 GMT

    As i see pakistan team, there is no team spirit left in them, no matter how much they stress in making huddles on each innings.they are lot less then perfect and most importantly they play for themself then for pakistan, complete waste of time. as been pakistani fan its shame to watch them tumble like this in there own backyard(ASIA).if i go back and think about previous loses pakistan had then we might can compare this to 1999 world cup final, mean match fixing and some external pressure may be to under perform. otherwise i doubt the way these players have gifted there valued wickets while playing hopeless strokes.

  • Muhammed Kamran on October 28, 2006, 9:12 GMT

    Almost every thing has been said about what happened in Mohali but there is one thing which has hurt me the most and that is the total lack of technique for most of the batsmen, it is a simple solution to take seven out of ten wickets against Pakistan and that is to bowl short deliveries, get them on the back foot, they go so much into the crease that you would find them only a foot and a half from Stumps, then bowl a good length and you would get a LBW or the guy would be bowled.

    Coach can only refine he cannot simply train batsmen for the basics, lets face it, our betsmen cannot bat on bouncy and seaming pitches what an emabarresment!!!!

  • Prerna on October 28, 2006, 9:08 GMT

    I think Pakistan’s achilles heel is its fielding. They leaked far too many runs against the kiwis and missed one catch (a lazy attempt to catch in the slips) and a run-out miss against Boucher when the socre was 81 for 5. The only sub-continent team that fields well is Sri Lanka. Both India and Pak are ordinary (euphemism for sub-standard).

    Besides a frail batting line-up, both Pak and Indian have two other common problems:

    1. Poor captaincy: Although Younis is perky, he does not appear to be a strategic thinker like Dravid whose captaincy is not only poor but very insipid (although Dravid looks intelligent and is very articulate). All other captains are all at least one notch above if not more than both Younis and Dravid in captaincy. 2. Team selection: Most of us don’t know what Raina and RP Singh are doing in the team as opposed to Mongia and Powar. Similarly, in hindsight, Afridi and Arafat may not have been the best choice. What was Rana doing in the dressing room –he is surely a better bowler than Arafat.

    On the other hand, I believe that the Pak top players (Inzy, Yousuf, Malik and Razak) are under hyped players who perform brilliantly (albeit occasionally) compared to the Indian stars who are incredibly over hyped but under perform regularly.

    Despite lot of PCB bashing, we must laud them for taking this bold decision of suspending Akhtar and Asif. I think the only problem with Pakistan is lack of leadership as outlined by Kamran Abbasi. Bring a strong leader like Imran Khan and Pak can repeat its 1992 success in 2007 World Cup. Pak has the talent but they need direction and some thought leadership!!!!!

    Last but not the least, I enjoy reading blogs of Kamran Abbasi and articles of Osman Samiuddin – both are probably the best cricket writers in Pakistan.

  • Nuruddin Lakhani on October 28, 2006, 9:08 GMT

    No doubt that we all are disappointed with the poor performance of the team. Losing is a part of the equation, but the way Pakistan team lost the particular game against South Africa is unforgiveable. I agree with few of the comments that Younis Khan's captaincy is questionable and maybe the decision to promote him was too premature. Also, when our strike bowlers were sent back, everyone thought that it was the bowling which might let the team down but it turned out that it was the poor batting display at the end that cost us the game. I am not too critical on the coach or management, but its been almost four years now that we have lost Saeed Anwar and since then we are searching for a decent opener to give us a good start. Its a shame to see a team struggling to find a suitable pair where so much talent is available in the country. May be the coach is needed to hunt down in the country for players rather than just work with whats given to him in the national like up.

  • waqar khan on October 28, 2006, 9:01 GMT

    According to my knowledge Mr. Younis is not able to be a captain of pakistan. he don't have the sence of cricket. his miscalulation and poor planning make the pakistan out from the tournament. Mr. shahid Afrid is useless for pakistan now, he is first pakistani batsman who make hurdles , difficulties for pakistan team . younis is a very poor captain in the whole series and i think he is not able for a captain for future .if he will be the capatain by the order of poor CEO of PCB Mr. naseem than the future of pakitan cricket is full of dark.

  • Abdul Halim Afridi on October 28, 2006, 8:58 GMT

    Salam to All. I just want to say that Pakistan want a good opening pair & i think that Yasir Hameed is the best choice for opening with Afridi. Afridi should open because of the power play. If Afridi just hit 2 sixes in the opening the pressure will be on bowlers. Shoaib Malik should play at onedown coz he can handle the pressure better than Younis Khan. Paki fans don't loose hearts pakistan will play better in the future. Inshallah.

  • Khair ul Alam on October 28, 2006, 8:49 GMT

    The only consolation I take from this disgusting performance by Pakistan is that they have moved decisively closer to my team Bangladesh; to be fair Bangladesh have improved whereas Pakistan have not - but they do have a lot in common among both teams. My comments are: a) a bad precedent was set by giving captaincy back to Younis after his outburst, he has certainly gone down both in batting and captaincy b) the President of the country should have nothing to do with running cricket, I know of no other team (other than Bangladesh) where govt interference is allowed in cricket c) I don't think Afridi will ever change, he got plenty of opportunities, time now to try someone else; it was clear he never intended to stay there for long d) Pakistan needs more bouncy pitches, this has been said time and time again e) I don't know how you do this, but players must learn to learn from others; the example was there in front of them, the way Boucher and Kemp batted in difficult situation, yet when they were in the same situation, one after another Pakistan batsmen gave away their wickets easily; it was plainly obvious they had given up the match as unwinnable very early in their innings; they need to be coached in improving mental strength.

  • I Zaheer on October 28, 2006, 8:47 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    Pak players should learn to know that they are 'professional cricketers'and each time they go out to play, they should show that, whatever they do.A clever coach like Bob, should be able to tame wild players like we have in this team.They realy need to be deciplined first!!!

  • Rahman on October 28, 2006, 8:44 GMT

    what to say with this performance. i agree that Imran Farhat, Afridi, shoib malik , Razzak all don;t have technique for a good batsman even though malik scores runs in first 2 one day but if u see the highlights of his innings what a shaky they were he only scores on dead wickets. Last night i am watching LOC on geo where imran khan was guest i totally agree with him that we have to make our domestic cricket improve, prepare bouncy and hard pitches, and should have a think thank of 4 players what he suggest Javed Miandad, Mudassir Nazar, Wasim Akram, Aqib javed (i add one more to it thats Rashid Latif) as wicket keeper can also tells about the flaws of the batsman. I can go with hafeez and razzak as allrounders , openers should be hafeez and yasir hameed / salman butt. after that 4 specialist batsman younis, yousuf inzimam, faisal/asim kamal/bazid khan( people forget about him such a sound technique batsman he is) after that razzak , akmal and three specialist bowler . no need of afridi, shoib malik in the team.

    Thanks

    Rahman

  • Dr.Sarmad Qureshi on October 28, 2006, 8:35 GMT

    I am as disturbed as any other pakistani on the dismal and unprofessional show of the pakistani team against south africa which has rightly become our nemesis. We boast of the worst record against them. I have great respect for Imran Khan and he had always been my cricketing hero and whatever he advises must be stuck too always by the pakistani booard and team management. I fully endorse Imrans view that pakistan should play with specialist batters and bowlers and not with bits and pieces cricketers. They should play one all rounder instead of five and adopt an attacking approach rather than defensive. Its high time that we decide whom to play among Razzaq, Malik and Afridi because they may be mighty good against average or weak teams but they can never guarantee a performance with either bat or ball against quality teams. I also fail to understand the rationale of dropping Kaneria on such pitches and Sami when Asif and Shoaib were out of the tournament. I request the cricket board to ponder on the thoughts raised by Imran Khan on Geo Super after the game. If we dont stick to his guidelines the same thing will happen in world cup.

  • Farhan on October 28, 2006, 8:34 GMT

    I hope you guys don't mind my 20 cents either....I know lots of us have talked about un professionalism, lack of spine and lack of ability to fight back... unfortunately, this all is not new and seems like Pakistani Team Players are not willing to give this habit up. so the question is what can we do to change this habit?. Well, one thing that we can do for sure is at least take a look at rest of the teams and do an analysis of their players Vs their performance.. sounds reasonable? In the interest of time and space, i am going to categorize teams. Zim,WI...lets see Players have more power then the board+ board making retard decisions ... the result is a disaster.. lets look at second group IND+ENG and may be SA ... Board has made decisions and it is kinda in the background now, but Players dont have supreme power.. They are still subject to questions and performance.. AUS. Players have no Power, Board can select who ever player they deem right and consider fit etc. + Board not making stupid, retard decisions, result is a superb team.. now take a look at Pakistan Team, Board making retard decisions and Players have supreme Power in certain cases and sometime they seem helpless... see any resemblance? Yes we are close to become ZIM or WI. Soulution?..

  • Mohammad Ali Khan on October 28, 2006, 8:33 GMT

    Pakistan is a team that has many individuals but no team chemistry is to be found. if India and Pakistan was nat separated wat a team we would have been. we could have used the money we spend for just for cricket and made good pitches We could have been the best country in the world in all ways.

  • Zain Hamidi on October 28, 2006, 8:30 GMT

    Umer Gul not bowling his full quota or Yasir Arafat - i think are minor issues. Even captaincy and the will to fight seem secondary. I personally feel we are not qualified to play on grassy, bowler friendly wickets - which offer steep bounce and movement.

    Case # 1 : Shoaib Malik : Anything on the off stump and slightly moving away - and we're in a fix. Something short of drivable length on the off stump and short cover is in business.

    Case # 2 : Mohd. Yousuf : Whatever the ICC rankings might say or the commentators (lazy elegance etc,), Yousuf - yes Yousuf even after scoring 600 runs in the series in England has problems against genuine pace. (I mentioned something earlier along the same lines to Kamran and Osman). I think he has a fair idea about his off-stump - its just pure pace and bounce (or the idea of it) which unsettles him.

    The only batsmen who has the technique and has backed it up with performance on difficult wickets is Younis Khan. The rest would probably rank slightly higher then a Austrailan Club Team when it comes to playing on (fast)bowler friendly wickets.

  • Danish Kazi on October 28, 2006, 8:29 GMT

    Certainly! one thing has been proved that Pakistan needs a leader like Inzimam . All the hype created around the captaincy and Inzi's future should end . He is the man who has been leading this team through . All the critics who favored Younis Khan on record was were making comments on his flaws would need to accept that Inzi is the man to lead a young and talented team like Pakistan . I feel that all the media hype around Inzi should end and let him be the man in charge to lead our nation through. I feel that we have the best talented team but what good it is if it could not be harnessed . Younis Khan's lack of commitment during the match against SA was evident when he got out on an un-necessary shot especially when he just hit a boundry a ball or two ago . Probabaly it is the matter of commitment or he is sending a message out there that he is not fit for this coveted post on his own without Inzi shadowing him . PCB is being run by a bunch of seasoned people who should put their heads together and distance the team from politics which is quiet evident from the body language of our team .

    Probably , this is a wake up call before the world cup .

  • Jawad Asif on October 28, 2006, 8:26 GMT

    I think that Younis Khan is the one who has to be blamed for this defeat. Initially, media and other great cricketers had given soo much hype to him and about his captancy but at the end of the day its just like the air in the ballon. I think the major job of the captain is to motivate other players and the best way to do this is to give performace and become examplary to other players. I think its the time for the PCB to find some other good captain after the great Inzi..

    Thanks..

  • Yasir Abbas Rana on October 28, 2006, 8:11 GMT

    WELL only a foolish mind can change a baller who is making the batsmen to dance at the crease at crucial time and thats what Yonis did by replacing Umar in 11th over and that took the pressure away.When sixth partnership was blossoming Gul should have balled then for some overs,again at that time Yonis went on defensive and tried to control economy instead of taking wickets.Only laughters dont show that a captain is good one,if it had been the case the ever silent Flemming could not have been the skipper for so long.We need some thoughtful captain and one who can lead from the front like Inzamam.And his deputy should be someone who is thinking and importantly a very good player himself and not one who only shows teeth and do nothing.

  • Hasan Malik on October 28, 2006, 8:07 GMT

    I believe Imran Farhat should be dropped from the team as he is a pathetic learner and got out the exact same shot in the last 2 matches. He does not have the power to execute the shots that he thinks he can play in international cricket. Younis Khan seems to be too preoccupied by captaincy and has forgotten that he is in the team as a batsman and replacement of Inzi. Afridi should be dropped to teach him a leason every 20 failures just like after the last world cup to keep him motivated.

  • Asif Khan on October 28, 2006, 8:05 GMT

    its always very easy to criticize but one has to be realistic....loosing two front line bowlers at the eve of the tournament, having already lost their captain,i dont think Pakistan had a realistic chance of winning in India. the matters were further complicated by the type of wickets that have been prepared for the tournament espeacially at Mohali. I dont think that that track at Mohali can be termed as a true ODI wicket. Having won the first match purely due to the genius of Razzak,in the back drop of Shoaib/Asif affair, i dont think our pace attack was left with any teeth. Lets consider Pakistan performance against S.Africa,well honestly speaking, S.A were 5 down for 42 in about 13 overs. i am just wondering, would they have gone on to score 213, if we had Asif/Shoaib or one of the two. If bowlers like Umer Gul n Roa Ifitikhar can make the ball talk then its any body`s guess what shoiab n Asif would have done to SA. To be very honest even S.A didn`t look like a team going beyond 70 in Mohali. i think its not the end of the road. lets be practical and realistic that we went into the tournament with a second string attack and considering that the bowlers did well...on a perfect ODI track this score of 213 could have easily been 330 plus...now in this back drop its not always easy for the batsmen to chase such a big total on a wicket where the ball is doing too much off the seam... I do agree that the team should have more practice on seaming tracks but for that one has to first of all convince the batsmen if they are ready to play on such a surface. in the past it did happen where Woolmer wanted a seaming track but Inzi wanted a flatter one...

  • venkat on October 28, 2006, 8:04 GMT

    What a hype Pakistan places on Afridi.Younis Khan can talk only. No actions. The whole Pakistan team is full of people who think power hitting and sheer fast bowling can win matches. SORRY IT DOES NOT WORK.THEY NEED BRAINS TO WIN ALSO. DO THEY HAVE IT. I DONT THINK SO.

  • khodadad azizi on October 28, 2006, 7:55 GMT

    thanks for a nice column mr abbasi. people will talk about bad captaincy , bad technique , bad management etc etc what people dont realise or dont accept is the situation that pakistani cricket finds itself in today is a reflection of the situation pakistan itself finds itself in today. everything going wrong and everyone blaming everyone else. the total collapse is drawing close

  • irfan aziz on October 28, 2006, 7:48 GMT

    well these players need to get a job at taco bell or try as singers ..cricket isnt thier game. second i agree that it shows inzi..shoab and asif are important to the team.. third i would like to ask yunus khan how many runs did he score ?? he didnot wanted to be a puppet captain..ok his wish was granted.. then what ?? the way shahid afridi and yunus khan played..its disgrace to our team..we should thanks to yasir arfat instead of bashing him as i ask you who scored the most ??who was the highest scorer ?? i rest my case in hope that there will be changes in our team and ploitics will be out

  • Ivan Uttley on October 28, 2006, 7:37 GMT

    As a South African supporter, I am shocked and dismayed at the way you treat your team after a loss like this. Almost without exception all the postings I have read slate your team in a terrible way. They lost an important toss, maybe did not capitalise on early gains, came up against Boucher, who has great fighting spirit, but for you all to be writing and saying what you say is shameful. I love watching the Pakistan team, their flair and unpredictabilty are rare qualities in a time of sterile professionalism. If you want your side to represent you with pride and determinsation, maybe you supporters should be that supporters, and not arm chair experts venting your frustrations. Give your administratrs hell, not your players!!

  • Ejaz Memon on October 28, 2006, 7:34 GMT

    I believed that Pakistan lost the game when SA managed 200+ after being 5 down for less than 50. In my opinion Younis Khan does not even know the basics of captaincy. Inzi is not a good captain either, but at least he comes good more often than fail, under pressure, but he lacks the killer instinct and aggresiveness turn losses into wins. One thing I fail to understand is why Bob Woolmer is getting so much praise as Pak coach? What improvements has he brought to the team? Pak is the most unprofessional cricket team, the worst fielding team, the worst with batting technique, the worst batting on lively wickets. It amazes me to see Pak batsmen duck a bouncer with their bats vertically up over their heads, if he cannot correct these basic flaws then what is his job? I believe Pak cricket needs an overall overhauling, otherwise die-hard Pak cricket fans like me lose their faith in Pak cricket and finally throw the towel. To be honest I do not see a bright future for Pak cricket.

  • stanton from "sterile" SOUTH AFRICA on October 28, 2006, 7:34 GMT

    Mr Abassi, if anything is sterile, it is your (current) Pakistani team. The South African team (now and in the past) have more often than not exposed Pakistani teams as below-par teams, yet you have the gaul to call South Africa a sterile team. PLEASE!! And if the South Africa team were as "sterile" as you un-wittingly put it, then how could we from 45 for 5 go to 213 for 8 in 50, and BOWL-OUT Pakistan for less than 100? Please, don't make comments of an un-infomed and perosnal nature without evaulating the very apparent and visible facts.

  • Amit on October 28, 2006, 7:30 GMT

    I quite agree that bouncy, seam friendly pitches in place of dead flat tracks add excitement to the game. 300+ score games get monotonous except for the last 5 overs. Perhaps with Asif and Shoaib (and Rana?) in the attack it would have been a more even contest. But the fact that both Pak and Indian batting line up is currently below par is pretty obvious.

    Just a word to all Pak cricket fans out there, we know how it feels. It is easy to forget at such moments that at the end of the day it is just a game, and possibly one bad day at office for the team! Cheer up and lets get ready to watch some exciting cricket in the rest of the tounament, it ain't over yet!

    Love

  • RKhani on October 28, 2006, 7:15 GMT

    You do not understand the dissapointment felt by me this morning waking up to see us defeated in such a humiliating manner. Yest night when we had SA had 5/42 I was happy, but u know what I knew we would let em of the hook , and i knew they would score around 200..u kno why - because i know this PAKI CRICKET TEAM so well.

    They get your hopes up...and then dissapoint u. I went to bed yest at lunch interval and was too scared to see the scores over cricinfo, so i tried to sleep, but couldnt bc i was thinking about these so called professionals.

    I woke up, and had to go n see the score n i got a rude shock, but expected this 'rude shock'

    Long live pakistan, but we need to learn to play like the big boys if we are ever going to get anywhere. Cricket to us is more than a sport, its about happiness, if we win everyone , and i mean everyone has a smile on their faces. When we lose depression kicks in for a day or two.

    I just hope inshallah we can work hard, keep bob, keep younish as skipper, keep the same group n learn and grow as a team.

  • usman alvi on October 28, 2006, 7:14 GMT

    what happened yesturday was quite expected and if pakistan had won the match and made it to the semi final that would have been a surprise to me and as well as many other people.i think younis khan is still very immature to be a captain.There were many flaws in his captaincy during the champions trophy as he didn't used his bowlers to a good effect.pakistani team needs to show some professionalism at least.They are the most unprofessional team in the cricketing world to me.

  • Ali Masood on October 28, 2006, 7:08 GMT

    Younis still has a lot to learn as a captain. It is easy to second guess but the field placement were questionable on several occasion and not using Gul for his 10 over quota. Pakistan truly missed Inzi with his experience, leadership and batting. A bat like that is needed to get set and possibly save the innings.

    Some players Pakistan need to re-evaluate are Kamran Akmal and Shahid Afridi. Akmal had a great catch today but has been mediocre behind the stumpts of late and has done nothing with the bat. His technique is truly lacking. Afridi is not doing anything with the bat on a consistent basis. His spin is less effecitve than both Shoaib Malik and Mohammad Hafiz. Perhaps when Inzi returns that is the player who will be the odd man out.

    Pakistan also need to work with Imran Farhat. If he is going to open in the world-cup he cannot conitune throwing his wicket away. In two straight matches he has gotten out on the same short ball when there is no reason to go for it. He has the potential of being a great opener along with Hafeez. It is getting close to the world cup and Pakistan need to stay with these two to build their confidence.

    Pakistan bowled quite well yesterday. No, no-balls but there were 11 wides. Rao and Gul are very good bowlers. Pakistan should keep handing them the new ball in the West Indies series.

  • paras on October 28, 2006, 6:58 GMT

    the real thing is that why the selectors didn't sent sami as a replacement for shoaib or asif...wasn't he capable to take wicket in those conditions or is he lost his pace? the team was in a need of a wicket taking bowler in replacement of a wicket taking bowler...not a medium pacer...

  • harish on October 28, 2006, 6:51 GMT

    with or without shoaib and asif the result wudnt have been much different coz south african pace attack is much superior and pakistan's batting line up is the most pathetic one among the internatonal cricket teams. Younis khan in my view is a very over rated player. He is technically very poor. So better improve yr batting or ya gonna be thrased when ya play outside home.

  • Asim Hussain on October 28, 2006, 6:39 GMT

    We simply missed Inzi, a class act in such situations. Younis captaincy was like a club caption of streets even they do better. Inzaman must be announecd caption till the world cup. Need to concentrate on opening pair likes of Taufeeq / salman / Yasir or may be Hafeez in one dayers.

  • Qutubuddin on October 28, 2006, 6:34 GMT

    very Bad captancy - very bad planning. pakistan have very good talanted players but due to all internal problems of all players each other and every players of pakistan they want to be credit themselves this is the biggest problem in pakistan team. the players like kamran akmal, shahidafridi, abdul razak very very talanted players but how to be used when to be used there is no idea of captain or management or coach. now a days u can analise all in electronics but nothing......... my advise to be appointed imran khan to be chairmen of cricket board of pakistan.

    Qutubuddin Dubai

  • M.Saad Durani on October 28, 2006, 6:33 GMT

    Its very Dissapoitning and Awful poor batting display by pakistan and also poor captaincy by younis khan how can he bring y.arfat when he sems that U Gul and Rao ifthikhar doing well hes expereiment led S.Africa to posted a good total which ended in as result in favour of opposition i think We need at least M.Sami D.kaneria and Asim kamal from now till the World Cup coz iam sure m.Asif and S.akhtar may not play in the World Cup Thanks

  • SOHAIL KHAN on October 28, 2006, 6:32 GMT

    We are being too cynical in our observations, let's face some hard core reality; since its inception into the cricketing world, pakistan has always been a highly unpredictable side.

    Even the world cup win in 1992 was a mix of luck and sheer brilliance towards the end.

    Pakistan is and always play this way. You can change the batting or bowling line-up or bring foreign coaches as many times as you like, I guarantee you, result will not be much different.

    My advise, watch them and not complain. Enjoy on a brilliant day out and ignore the secong moment when disaster strikes! My only word of caution for those with weak hearts and minds, watching Pakistan in the cricket field can be hazardous to health leading to severe medical complications!!!

    Sohail Khan

  • mukesh on October 28, 2006, 6:20 GMT

    its sad to see the way pakistan went down. they lost the battle in few overs itself. certainly they lack mental toughness. it was really strange to see the way afridi batted. it seemed that he bats for his own good , even wen chips were down he started hitting carelessly as he does on flat pitches. there was no team spirit to fight back.. they were missing the serenity and "never say die" attitude of inzy. bob wud be really very diappointed with this talented bunch of players with poor outcomes... hopefully things may take a positive turn after this fiasco.

  • KL Nagarajan on October 28, 2006, 6:12 GMT

    My dear Pakistan fans, your team might have lost against SA y'day, but understand this team is without Inzy, Shoiab Akthar, Mohd Asif. Imagine, had Akthar and Asif bowled the first 20 overs between them, SA would have been bowled out for less than 70 to 80. Y'day was one of those bad days for Pak cricket. Take it easy. Definitely, this team will bounce back and most of the words will be taken back. Good luck. From: Nagarajan, Dubai

  • Ahmad on October 28, 2006, 6:07 GMT

    And 1 more thing wut's the point of playing with soo many all rounders.......... i just dont understand. Pakistan needs to get themselves a proper batsman.

  • M.Abbas Saqib on October 28, 2006, 6:05 GMT

    I can't add more to what you guys have commented on dismal,disappointing performance of Pakistan team but I want to share my thought that other than yesterdays match,this tournament has confirmed that in future matches, specially ODIs mainly be decided on the fielding ability of teams. Take example of last match of India vs West Indies,India was cruising towards a decent score when Dravid got run out and whole complexion of game changed,on the other hand,in match between Pak vs NZL,Pakistan was in commanding position when Kamran Akmal missed a straight forward run out of Styrus and he went on to play a huge inings and Pakistan surrendered.In this context, I was not expecting Pakistan to go beyond Semis and if same fielding fiesta of our team sustained,I dont see any glory in comming world cup either. Salam and Regards. Muhammad Abbas Saqib

  • Dr. Kashif Adil Ahmad on October 28, 2006, 6:04 GMT

    Unbelievable batting by Pakistan, again at the loosing end! whilst Yasir Arafat made at least a score in 20's. With no Shoaib and Asif and null booms from Afridi, do we have any chance to win the world cup. We can have good days but with SA, Australia and West Indies, what are chances of surviving the world cup?

  • Asif Vanoo on October 28, 2006, 6:02 GMT

    I am an INDIAN, but I personally dont agree on most of the comments.

    ONE BAD Day is remembered but 100 good days are forgotten.

    Its True Pakistan has disappointed Cricket fans in Champions Trophy, but they have match-winning players.

    I wish them all the best for the upcomming events

  • Muhammad Murtaza on October 28, 2006, 6:01 GMT

    To add to the points Kamran made, for me, it has always been a dream to see the Pakistan team, after bowling out a team cheaply, to come back and win the game by 10, 9 or even 8 wickets. After Aamir Sohail and Saeed Anwar duo, the Pakistani team has never been stable.

    To be honest, I don't blame the Pakistani batsmen as much as I blame the captain and bowlers for wrapping up the South African inning for less than 100. We all know Pakistan, like India and others, is not a "professional" team, and probably it will never be. The culture and nature of Asians won't allow it.

    Cricket is a minds game, and how many times have we seen a team bowl out another cheaply when managing to reach 200 after being 20 for 5? We all remember the Karachi test when Pakistan managed to reach above 200 after loosing early wickets cheaply. Later of course, dismissing India for even cheaper and going on to win the game.

    In short, Pakistan is one of the top 3 ODI and Test teams today. So all the talk about it being a good for nothing team is simply rubbish. At best, one can say its the best of the worst.

  • baskar on October 28, 2006, 6:01 GMT

    It was not a pretty sight to watch Pakistan getting decimated in the match against SA. Next to the routing they received in Sharjah against Australia in 2002 test series (59 & 52 allout), this must rank as one of their worst ever performance.

    Apart from Shoaib Malik & Mohd Yosuf, no other batsman seem to have the technique to stand up against high quality bowling. Ofcourse Inzamam would have stood out with his class and his absence was clearly evident. Too much reliance on Inzamam would also be counter productive.

    It is time PCB looks at long term measures and include players who curb their stroke play and bat for longer time. They should find some one like Dravid. Asim Kamal who did well against india in the previous test series should be a good choice.

  • Zeeshan on October 28, 2006, 5:56 GMT

    Pakistani batting talent has been exposed yet again. We never really have had world class batsmen ever in our history and i am dead sure there is still no light at the end of the tunnel. O God...how much we have to wait to see Pakistan proud of its batsmen not bowlers?

  • Billy on October 28, 2006, 5:54 GMT

    Cheer up guys.....48 hrs from now..its all forgotten..havent u seen how the players care a damn...!U can have an australian attitude and dump the farhats, afridis and sehwags but then australia does have a pool of 25 players for each position to choose from!! Pakistan cant play the short ball, moving ball, spinning ball, high bounce, low bounce...what can they play....errrr....they do play dont they...on their day..dont they...which isnt enough i guess....so get me a miandad....worth a 100 afridis..get me an anwar(pre-beard days), an akram..even amir sohail if u must...those chaps knew how to fight..and win....this game is not for the nice and smiling guys(younus)..its about having the spirit and gumption to play and fight like men....where have they lost this....get miandad back as coach..he may not have a computer but he would teach these chaps how to fight...how to stand up and be counted...

    cheers until next time

    goodbye to afridi, imran farhat...welcome mohd.hafeez(thats talent for the next 3 years)..sic hopefully

  • Aslam Hatim on October 28, 2006, 5:53 GMT

    I full agree with your views on Pakistan's awful defat to South Africa.

    Will you pls give a thought and inside story why the management wants to destroy Muhammad Sami. He was needed at Cahmp'trophy?

    Pakistan must have these three Shoiab, Asif & Sami, and the fourth from any growing up quickie.

    Very Best Regards.

    Aslam Hatim

  • mani, india on October 28, 2006, 5:43 GMT

    ya. though i didnt see the match, i am very disappointed at the result.i am frm india, so i follow the pakistani cricket as much as i do my nations'. i really would admire the way they have played in the past. the 2W's, inzy, imran, miandad & more have taken cricket to a different level. but its sad, the same nation is struggling to find players who are more strong mentally & also take responsibitly in their shoulders.

    In the present team, among the youngsters, barring shouaib malik.. i cant name anyone with cricketing maturity.. i really dunno what happened to afridi. i love his hitting instincts. so i was hoping that i wud get to c it in this match against SA. but he failed miserably again. as said by many, without inzy,yousuf,razzaq & akhtar this team is just a bunch of crap, who cant produce any quality results. but i hope they come out strongly and produce a surprising result in the near future. because, if pakistan continues this woeful play, the game of cricket itself would loose its shine.

    I hope to see india & pakistan thrashing SA & Aus in their soil. thats when we could hold our heads high & say.. here is our answer to the fast bouncy pitches.. though pakistan has immense talent & they ofcourse wud give aussies chin music whenever they play down under. but the pbm is with, they not being able to cope with the chin music which they get frm bowlers like ntini, mcgrath & lee..

    anyway, i keep my finergs crossed for their upcoming series against WI, bcoz to be frank WI are a team on the uprising. so we cant just expect them to blow away. they certainly r doing well these days. so, pakistan must really prepare for this series. I wish afridi hiting a 100 in this series. that would b relly awesome to watch, if u are a true cricket fan.

    Thanks, Mani- India

  • vijesh parmar on October 28, 2006, 5:43 GMT

    im great admirer of pakistan cricket..but this particular match woke me up with a startling reality that can something like this can happen to indian team?...you bet..afterall we both countries share a lot in common...flat pitches,idol worshipping and going gaga over our players..where is the professionalism? both players and administration???...

  • Rutvij on October 28, 2006, 5:40 GMT

    The batsmen's performance was really qute spineless. I think that there all they should have done was go about the chase in a simple manner. Farhat's dismissal was quite shocking.He has thrown his wicket innumerable times now and I think Butt would be a much better option. The youngsters with the exception of Malik need to take responsibility and fight till the end. I agree with Kamran in saying that afridi deserves to be given a rest and some time to gather his thoughts. The captain and other senior players have to take responsibility. Pakistan can't just fold up on bouncy wickets each and every time. Somebody needs to put their hand up and grind it out. They need to develop mental toughness and a good temperament as just talent is not enough.There is too much dependence on inzi and no real support in the pace bowling department as well. Pakistan just lifted their foot of the jugular at 42/5 and allowed the game to drift. The infrastructure needs to be stonger and the team needs to go back to the drawing board

  • Haris Ahmed on October 28, 2006, 5:09 GMT

    I dont understand the point of Afridi. He is so inconsistent he is a complete waste of a player. We also needed Salman butt. I dont think Mohammad Hafeez is any good nor is Imran Farhat who plays the worst shots at the worst times. Pakistan team is extrememly pathetic. They have no chance in the world cup. Every time you expect them to come up they go down, way DOWN! and it is going to a matter of time before this team is going to be a great consistent team. If you look at it we have the best U-19 Cricket team in the WORLD. Why not try some of those players. Why NOT? Asif gone Shoaib gone, I think GUl is fine Rao is mediocre but i think try some new players and maybe it will work.

  • Khurram on October 28, 2006, 5:00 GMT

    In my view, cricket now a days, is more of the game of brain rather of emotions and with due respect both elements could not be found in yesterday's performance. Before our cricket ends, as like our hockey, its high high time to consider mental grooming of national level crickets. post match comments by our dear selfless captain would not give any good repute to their level of thinking. we will wait for the time when our captain would finally get his hands on any trophy as winner.

  • M. Ashraf on October 28, 2006, 4:57 GMT

    There is not one point we can think that did lead to pakistan team's demise against South Africa yesterday. Lets talk one by one about big mistakes made by the pakistani team. First after getting 5 wickets for only 42, can any one imagine that instead of going to finish of the South africa's innings, Younis allowed them to build up a solid partnership between Boucher and Kemp by not only opening up the field instead of applying pressure but also by making foolish changes in the bowling which ultimately did leave 2 overs of Gul and 5 overs of Yasir not delivered on a pitch that was very suitable for fast bowlers. Then most of pakistani batsmen got out by playing reckless shorts including captain Younis himself. No one tried to stay on the pitch ,apparently they probably have lost the game in thier mind soon after both the openers were gone. The way Younis and Yousuf two most seniore and experienced players did play deiveries during thier short stay at the pitch and then finally getting out leisurelly,looklike either they were afraid of South African bowlers or they have never played on bouncy pitch. In this case what u expect from other batsmen? And finally, most amazing and unbelieveable gestures came from captain and some seniore players who after palying badly and getting out were laughing like there was some kind of joke going on. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF ANY ONE HAVE SEEN ANY REMORSE OR GUILT FEELING ON CAPTAIN'S or any other pakistani players faces after this shamfull loss.

  • Mohan B on October 28, 2006, 4:56 GMT

    The result was of no surprise as Srilanka has shown earlier that among the 3 sub continental giants each of them are competing against each other about which one is the worst in tackling pace seam and swing bowling.

    You can easily predict the result of the next match between India and Australia.

    Australia might score only 130-40 but still they can win the match.

  • Suhaib Jalis Ahmed on October 28, 2006, 4:47 GMT

    Mr. Nasim Ashraf recently commented on reassessing Inzi's captaincy after the Champion's Trophy. I feel that this recent performance has put an end to any such thoughts. It has become ridiculously evident that Pakistan badly need Inzi as captain and batsman. In fact I dont think that we can even afford to loose him after the World Cup. I hope this performance has also convinced Younis that he still has a lot to learn before he is fit to lead the team. The batting was miserable, but the way Farhat and Younis got out, skying the ball in the air, was nothing short of criminal. I agree that it is very hard to win without Inzi, Shoaib and Asif. However, that's no excuse to loose the way they did. It wouldnt be so bad if they got out on 175, but under 100 is depressing.

  • Hassaan Saad Tariq on October 28, 2006, 4:42 GMT

    The batting display proves that our batters are the best when they bat on 'friendly' flat tracks... and worst when they play on 'difficult' tracks. This proves another thing, you take Younas Khan, Inzi, Muhammad Yousaf or any1... none of them has a better technique to play under difficult conditions. They all are big names for sure, they may have scored so many runs for pakistan, but you cant deny the fact that their technique is not sound against top class bowling attack on bouncy and seaming tracks. The blame has to be put on PCB, Captain and team management ... because they always prepare dead tracks in pakistan when visitors come here to play test series... my suggestion - just for a change, for couple of series, start preparing seaming tracks in pakistan... we might be losing few series (that we lose anyway)... but the net results could be our batsmen scoring runs in austrlia against top class bowling attack.

  • D.Sankar on October 28, 2006, 4:37 GMT

    Hi Kamran

    I give you a point to think about. Pakistan batted poorly, but I couldn't miss two bad LBW decisions againt them. It appears to me that the "white" umpires are in a retaliation mode and whenever an opportunity arise the give Pakistani players out. Even in the match involving India i noticed the way in which Raina was given out by simon toufil? . Instead of the benefit of the doubt being given to the batsman, he was given out in a hurry, when replay was inconclusive. Well, why India and Raina- simple answer, subcontinental teams backed pakistan and humilited a fellow white umpire.Let us show them wh is the boss.

  • Usman on October 28, 2006, 4:30 GMT

    this pitch really exposed our batting.this goes to show that winning on batsmen friendly wickets is no big deal.our batting failed us whenever we played on good sporting wickets.take for example the perth test,old trafford test and most recently the mohali odi.we only had to last the first 15 overs and then the game was in our hand.

    we should learn from these mistakes and hope that our curators make grassy and bouncy wickets in the series to come.

  • altaf on October 28, 2006, 4:28 GMT

    Congratulation PCB!!!!!! stop creating problems. Dont blame on players.Because of PCB's worst comments PAK team purposely lost to SA.200% for sure.

  • Tariq Javed on October 28, 2006, 4:14 GMT

    Dear Kamran,

    People say that we should take it as a game and not to be more excited and emotional about it and I do agree with this .But can somebody tell me that was this a game or cricket which PK did yesterady .It was a joke .My 7 years old son can show more chracter than our Paki batsmen showed there... Sorry, it is not emotion but fact.

    Take care all. Tariq javed/ Vietnam.

  • PaTel on October 28, 2006, 4:04 GMT

    the way pakistani players gave up today, i am afraid what would happen to india when they would meet ausies in do or die situation where pitch is expected to be just like this. it will be shame if india would not qualify for the semis. champions trophy in subcontinent and none of this contry would go to final. it would be not only tragic but shame too.

  • Muhammad Usman Aslam, Melbourne on October 28, 2006, 4:03 GMT

    Well While Our chances of making any significant strides have exploded like cheap party balloons, Lets not rush to conclusions here... Some much needed brain storming will do....

    Firing Him, hiring him.. that's another debate.

    But whats scoffing is to imagine our cricketers calling themselves professionals and showing such inept attitudes and dismal shows on the ptich. Common, atleast show some heart and reason and evidence that you are being paid for while You are beaming smiles after flooring down catches and playing shots like Imran Farhat did.

    While our Boards in sub continent are busy making lucrative deals, Hopefully this abject display would result in some scratching of head . Hopefully Sanity prevails and we save our blushes next time by making proper pitches, not the shalamar garden one's where even Afridi can put bat to ball. Grow some Nails PCB !!

  • syed---------usa on October 28, 2006, 3:47 GMT

    Time for effective and effecient future planning. 1. Captain..Inzi is the only option atleast till the world cup,I feel it was good to have a Dummy Captain incharge for the whole tournament,it was helpful in giving some insight and potential about his calibre,unfortunately not good news. Need to select,prepare and train as an understudy a vice-cap to be the future cap,which could happen a lot earlier than expected even before the world cup(inzi's age and back problems).at present set up Shoaib Malik is the only suitable?option. Wicketkeeper..need to have a strong competition there, Akmal struggling badly. Openers...Hafeez with ? any batsmen who has the patience,ability to block one end,put a high price on his wicket,even if technically not sound(as is the case with most of them). Allrounders.two will do.razak,malik may add hafeez in that list.no place at all for afridi.May use a genuine spinner or a speciallist batsmen according to the pitch condition. Start planning nowww........Woolmer has done a good job,but can't blame the team only, after every pathetic loss,he along with the cap has the duty to identify the talent,potential and above all the commitment and desire to succeed, in an idividual. Pak can still win the world cup with come planning and knowing their limitations and executing a plan accordingly for every team. And lastly,the culture and mind set,U don't play cricket just to enjoy, this is ur profession and source of earning.If u can't see it that way,then go and play cricket on streets of Pakistan,u will have plenty of fun and enjoyment.

  • Mohd A. on October 28, 2006, 3:46 GMT

    I think our Pakistan should get some of the older guys from other nations like Ajay Jadeja, Azharudin, Mark Waugh. Prez Mush should offer them Paki citizenship and let them play for our nation! Am sure they would fare better than dummy captains and the flashy hitters that we have!

  • Adnan Shora on October 28, 2006, 3:39 GMT

    Pakistan team needs to get rid of three people, and that too for good 1) Younis 2} Afridi 3)Malik. Younis doesn't deserved to be in team, let alone be the captain or vice-captain, Afridi cannot play when there is movement on pitch, and Malik is not even a batsman, he is just some skinny guy who used to be spinner With our Inzaman back and two other repalcements, I think we should be fine, and one more thing please keep Rana out, unless you want to gift other team 60 to 80 runs in his 10 overs

  • kamran on October 28, 2006, 3:19 GMT

    Well the fact about the technique of pakistani batsmen on bouncy wickets is absolutely true and this is not the first time we we are seeing this type of hopeless display on such a wicket. The coach seriously needs to look into and improve upon this factor of batting. Having said that a score of above 200 was qite a score on this pitch. Yasir, I'm sorry to say, has always been able to perform well in county cricket and cannot be a replacement for pakistan in the missing fast bowling department. We really need to find someone or maybe give sami a chance. Lastly, I think younis khan showed a bit of inexperience in captancy aswell, by putting in spinners and going on defensive rather than attacking with the available fast bowlers. Anyways, I think we need to forget,yet learn some harsh lessons from this defeat and pray for the return of one of asif or shoaib or to find a new 'spearhead'!

  • Viswanathan on October 28, 2006, 3:04 GMT

    This Pakistani team is known for its unpredictability but seeing the South Africans bat on it nothing could be more predictable than the Pakistan collapse that followed.Someone needs to tell Imran Farhat that the slash over the slips is not the only shot to be played when given a bit of room.Shahid Afridi still plays as he did 10 years ago. Kamran Akmal needs to improve on his batting maybe he should open the innings.

  • Jadogar-spinner on October 28, 2006, 3:03 GMT

    Pride goes before a fall. We succummed to Yunus's threat and made him captain. He scored single digits. We demoted Yusuf and used him as a pawn and he was our best player. Now we have Dr. Ashraf teaching us baseball cricket. Its good we lost - its a good lesson: Throw Yunus out as vice captain and start training Razzak.

  • zuhair on October 28, 2006, 2:58 GMT

    you're rigth that doing well at county cricket doesnt really translate into doing well in international cricket.. but it was just one game.. yasir did bad.. doesnt mean that hes going to do bad in international cricket.. he has to be given more chances..anyways the way pakistanis played was pathetic.. thank God yasir played for abit and score wnet high abit.. wouldve been pretty embarassing otherwise.. but this does show that Younis khan isnt as great a captain as he shown to be.. there clearly is a room for improvement.. hes agressive but he gets whipped for runs too.. with Inzamam atleast, there is a containment of runs when the lower order comes.. but this has been a problem... Our side has to learn to finish off the lower order earlier

  • Ata Ur R. Raza on October 28, 2006, 2:45 GMT

    Please don`t do Pakistan laughing to everybody in the world with these kind of rubish performances again & again. I think in future all of our cricketers who become in national team should be well adgucated.

  • zikram khann on October 28, 2006, 2:29 GMT

    unfair criticism labelled at Younis Khan is unacceptable,since he was not teh only one who miserabley failed to perform to the expectations though he could be held responsible for soem of the indecisons being mad while fielding. Cricket is not an individual game but requires the effort of all the players involved and this was what was lacking against the teams dismal performance aganist SA..ie none of the players actually stood out in their batting department against the SA bowlers. One cannot always blame the pitch for the loss as this was not teh first time that Pakistan has played in such conditions . I guess morale is soemthing which the players badly lack....as soon as they lose a few wickets , it doesnt take the opposition much time to completely overrun the remaining batsman as they appear to have lost the guts and courage to fight back - something which is pretty evident in teams like Australia and SA -- Pakistan badly lacks self determination a nd control .. anyways there is still time ( not much) though to rethink about their aspirations of winning the wrold cup in the Caribbeans next march - BUt they got be aware -- an unfriendly pitch is awaiting - so be prepared for it ....

  • Murali on October 28, 2006, 2:17 GMT

    Alas the last sub-continent team has gone out of this tournament. The mediocore Indian team has no chance against Australia. Pakistan continue to under-perform on big occassions. As much as lack of leadership, the team think tank did not show flexibility to change batting order or bowling combination inspite of bouncy tracks. Exceptionally talented players like Shoaib Mallik were playing down inspite of repeated failures of Younis Khan. A bit of courage and unconventional wisdom could have helped as demonstrated by Imran Khan when things are not going well. I hope with Inzy coming back, this exceptionally gifted team will put this tournament behind and give South Africa a close run later this year.

  • happyman on October 28, 2006, 2:10 GMT

    I have no clue why Imran and Miandad were left out of the team...Everyone will talk about the players who are not playing the game. God forbid if Inzi is going to be out of form when he comes back..and Shoaib / asif will be banned ( i hope they should be, since it will bring discipline) to the team.. who can you count on in this present team..So having said much, the players should realise the importance and the cricketing grounds in Mohali is as close as the grounds in Pakistan, they should dig in deep when there is a crisis and realise their importance. You can go for training, attend classes etc, ultimately you need to pass the exam.. there is no point in playing well in the counties if you are not playing well for your country and also when playing for country dont ever think about county.. I know whom I meant... enjoy cricket.. long live this game...

  • ihsan on October 28, 2006, 2:09 GMT

    Well i think one thing is missing and that is....we need to play technically solid players and so considering this, i think there is no place for Imran Farhat and Yunis khan in pakistan team.

  • tanoli on October 28, 2006, 2:01 GMT

    There is no need to get excited, I believe Pakistani team is quite capable of playing good cricket. Last time they made to final. What my concern is there must be proper govering body under qualified chairman, there must be proper functioning borad, there must be professionalism and more importantly pitches must be fast and extremely bouncy at home. Pakistan is unpredictable and we need change that trend and have them play with extraordinary confidence. They just need motivation and little bit more hard work with bat. If they improve these areas, they can be unbeatable. As for concerned of world cup, to be honest its all about hardwork. Whoever does that, will certanily be the winner. Thanks

  • Malhar on October 28, 2006, 1:58 GMT

    when i woke up in the morning, waking up at 5 to just watch cricket. i was happy to see some good vowling which pakistan did and i thought they will iwn the match, than at 8 i had to go to school. at lunch i came back n i saw 88-9...wow what was that, how did it happen...when i saw the replay, wow they were playing like babies...yousuf younins are so experienced batsman and look what kind of shots they are playing...south africa and new zealand have a kind of vowling that works excellent at good times but we keep doing the same bowling....shahid nazir bowled so good against england, just playing his first matches, why doesn't he give him a chance...common guys we need to prepare for the world cup as we know what will happen wid asif and shoaib, they seem to have a chance more to get banned so we need to bring as many new bowlers as possible, give them chance and let them find their experince. till the srilanka series, pakistan were great...things happened after that were not believable. unlucky for pakistan but you know you cant depend on pakistan, we should not care of who is good at first class who is not, we should give all the top players playing in the pakistan a teams. if they come in, we shud just let them try and nothing else, i say we shudn't even care if we loose the WI series...world cup is very near and we need to bring in very new players in this team and prove this team as a miracle comeback otherwise this team is NOW DEAD. during the times of wasim and waqar, pakistan were an awesome team, 2-3 new players came but we never though of the future and see where we r now. wasim and waqar shud both work on the bowler. i m just embarassed y they cant even have tear in their eyes watching their country's reputaion being down day by day. well guys this is what i had to say, lets see what happens, EMBARASSED!

  • owais on October 28, 2006, 1:51 GMT

    Please drop Shahid Afridi, and play Faisal Iqbal in his place. 6 bowlers are enough for 50 overs, but we need another batsman in our lineup. Also, I would seriously consider bringing in Asim Kamal, as he has the best technique among all the young pakistani batsmen i have seen, and either having him open, or coming later in the order.

  • kondal on October 28, 2006, 1:44 GMT

    My comments or no way related with cricket,but the excellent comments posted by the people here,being an Indian i was under the impression (given by my country and media) that with the exception of Imran khan and couple of your ministers there is none other in Pakistan who has a good command over english and i am totally wrong,these are the best comments posted, which i had ever read till today and which has completely changed my outlook of your country,hence forth i will be reading more of pak related news and articles written by pakistani`s people. P.S.Thnx kamran for your article,through which i could able to read and understand about your people better.

  • Farooq on October 28, 2006, 1:39 GMT

    We need to admit the fact that we are not mentally tough when it comes to play against SA and Aust. The bouncy track is not the only reason of today's defeat. The way we threw our wickets is nothing but scariness.

  • IK-Si on October 28, 2006, 1:28 GMT

    If we are to be honest here we should accept as Pakistani fans that we already had this fear in our mind somewhere that it is hard to win against SA after loosing Newzealand.

    There is no doubt we have huge talent within our team and also in line. On occasions we have seen that our players are excellent performers but they do not play good enough as a team. Simple formula to improve our team is:

    1- Arrange special training on mental toughness of individual players. 2- Arrange courses to improve presentational skill especially when facing the international media. 3- Individual coaching on batting technique – in particular to those who play silly shots away from body. 4- Special coaching on captaincy for Younis (may be from Imran Khan) if he is future captain. 5- Use of technology to improve their batting/bowling/fielding.

  • Imran on October 28, 2006, 1:22 GMT

    Today's defeat is though painful yet was not something out of blues considering Pakistan Team's fickle attitude. However, I think fans are exagerately disappointed knowing the fact what Pakistan team has gone through just before tournament. Perhaps that's because of their unexpected first win against Sri Lanka.. I do not think absence of Shoib and Asif was major cause but I believe there is something cooking behind the scene. Yeah... infamous Pakistani politics within both team and board. Unless they shift their attention from internal politics, they cannot be play good cricket.

  • Khurram Malik on October 28, 2006, 1:19 GMT

    One of the worst batting performance displayed by Pakistan. Team heavy depend on Inzamam and key blower shoiab/asif. I am wondering what is future like for pakistan team when these players will get retired. Pakistan cricket is under great stress with pressure building day by day. PCB official have been change and now they act on getting rid of shoiab and asif. President of pakistan should get involve in this and should ask Imran Khan legend of pakistan to lead the board. I am sure it will make huge difference. I wish pakistan team best of luck for world cup but they need to bring back shoiab and asif.

  • Anas A Khan on October 28, 2006, 1:14 GMT

    Not a new sight from any strech, Pakistan yet once again bundled out so cheaply against South Africa that one finds shortage of words to describe what went wrong.

    No doubt about the difficulty of the pitch but on this same strip South Africa managed a decent score and that also with their lower middle order.

    From Pakistan Yasir Arafat made 27 which should be a lesson to the regular batsmen. Shot selections of Imran Farhat and Younas Khan were incomprehensible in the given situation.

    A major rethinking is the need of the day if we wish to compete for the World Cup.

  • Winston L. Stewart on October 28, 2006, 1:14 GMT

    Please do not turn your backs on the team. It is during times like this that your support is most needed. When the great WINDIES teams comprising Mikey Holding, Lawrence Rowe, Viv Richards, Kallicharan, Lloyd, Greenidge, Roberts, Garner, haynes, Dujon, etc. disappeared from the scene, everyone in the Caribbean, including me, felt that their replacements simply had to follow the blueprint. Nothing could be further from the truth, as manidested by the rapid decline of WINDIES cricket. The main culprit in this decline was the WINDIES board, which basked in the glory of the 1970's to 19990's without any consistent planning to address the departure of the aforementioned greats. Apart from Lara, no batsman of true class emerged between the early 1990's to the start of the new millennium. To be sure, only in the past year or so we have begun to see semblance of some good cricket from WINDIES. But the only consistent display has been the team's inconsistency. Anyone with a heart ailment should stay very far from WINDIES cricket, as somehow the team always find a way to extract defeat from the deep bowels of certain victory. But all this while support for the team remains high amongst Caribbean people, as without hope a people and its culture faces extinction. And so to my Pakistani friends, please do not give up hope. You may not have any Asif Iqbals, Majed and Imran Khans, Wakars and Wasims, etc. anymore, but do continue to encourage and have high expectations of the current players, if not fullfilment of prophecy may well occur.

  • Ravesh on October 28, 2006, 1:11 GMT

    I totally agree with kamran. Pakistan does not adapt to conditions. But you see,the problem is not only in pakistan,its basically the whole of the subcontinent. The major problem with pakistan,is that they lack that adhesive "glue" it that middle order,India have Rahul "the wall" dravid who can hold things together,Sri Lanka has Marvan Attapatu and Mahela Jaywardene. Also,Younis is doing himself no favours,he made a few noticeable mental blunders. How can you not let Umar Gul not bowl out his overs on a seaming pitch?Im 14 and i dont make those blunders.

  • shami on October 28, 2006, 0:59 GMT

    Well tough loss, it hurts. Hind side is always 20/20, I wish there was a system inwhich a coach can advise the captian. Hay dummy, we know the wicket is unpridictable, we are most probably going to loose some wickets early on, why not take the fight to the opposition. ie send it our distroyer shahid Afridi with Hafeez if he survives 3or 4 overs we will have achieved half of the total. Also cricket is played with good bowlers, good batsman, and a good captain. if you are good batsman, or a good bowler does not mean you will be a good captain. some times you are not a good bowler, or a batsman, but you are good captain. I am just wondering what is Younis's speciality. Certainly a world class wanabee batsman Younis Khan does not want to be a dummy captain, let us just leave him to be just dummy, he has certainly proven he is no captain. For God sake when he is talking to the commentator he can't even get his point accross, well neither does Inzi, but Inzi is a world class batsman. Lets us hope we can get rid of some bad apples from the bunch learn from our mistakes, and get ready for WC. Oh yeh and please some body God help us get rid of this new guy incharge who replaced Shahyar khan. Stupid guy does not know what is the basic fiber that holding our team together

  • Nomaun Khan on October 28, 2006, 0:54 GMT

    Excellent performance by very good bowling attack; SA was simply outstanding!

    On pitch like this, Pakistan team needs coaching on how to play with straight bat.

  • Jay on October 28, 2006, 0:42 GMT

    As an indian I can see Pakistan no longer has that zip , class or warrior-attitude , it used to have. The current team is a by-product of years of random and whimsical selections, couldnt care less attitude of board (they still make lot of money i guess), their A$$ kissing of indian board and departure of Imran Khan finally taking toll. From someone who could actually give Aus Eng or WI arun for their money in their own country - they have just become mediocre like India. Its a gradual and overall degradation sadly.

  • Shaun on October 28, 2006, 0:40 GMT

    I did agree with Mr Kamran that we just can't blame pitches but its just not the matter of pitches.We saw that in the first inn. South Africa struggle alot playing the ball that was new but as the bowl gets older it was not seeming to much so same thing Pakistan must have also done just play defensive and hit the odd ball. I think the way ball was seeming and bouncy if Shoaib and Asif would have been there they would crushed South Africans not even allowing them 100 runs. Shoaibs bouncers and Asif seeming would be really useful in these conditions but all around it was a dissapointing day if you are a Pakistani fan.

  • JAVED A. KHAN on October 28, 2006, 0:21 GMT

    The less we talk about this defeat, the sooner we will forget it. Let's learn a few lessons instead of debating it. We all have seen what happened. A moment of silence would be better than hours of debating. Javed A. Khan, Montreal, Canada

  • Lahore on October 28, 2006, 0:20 GMT

    For the last 7-8 years its the same sad story with Pakistan team, part of the reason is lack of coaching in the new atmosphere of cricket dominated by the SA Aus. Our players are illeterate and lack basic skills. In the time of Imran atleast few players were educated and have some sense of game. Now we have players with an iq of a rabbit seemed like fools in the ground have no clue of whats going around them. This will not change unless some senseble person heads PCB and get the basics right. Deislmify the present culture of the team and improve the iq level.

  • Qaiser Rashid on October 28, 2006, 0:16 GMT

    In today's cricket, a player cant just rely on its skill or experience. Mind-frame is another important factor, which is an important component of playrs' portel.

    Younis Khan might be a skilled and experienced players, but he does not have a right mind-frame and schema of a "RIGHT" player. He said in his live interview with Rameez that he was happy for his team ... what a B.S. Woolmer said how disappointed he was .. he felt (and rightly so) his team had let down the public. How on the earth can Younis feel good after such a disappointing performance???

    I can say this loud and clear now that Younis is not a kind of leader who would inspire the team to the victory. His emphasis clearly is on showing as to how good of a man he is as a captain! He cant morally reprimand his players when needed, instead he is always up and saying 'dont worry, it is ok'. He is simply an ordinary captain trying to be at 'HIS' best. If he was not a captain, he had no place on the Pakistan ODI squad.

  • Ali on October 28, 2006, 0:15 GMT

    I agree that batting was horrible in this series, but I believe that the bowling attack must also be blamed. Since they are young and inexperienced they lack the killer instinct that has been seen in the previous Pakistan teams. I know that the old teams with Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar and even Asif would never have given up 99 runs to NZ in the final ten overs. Nor would they have let SA get to 100 when they were at 42/5. Kemp and Boucher did an excellent job saving the match for SA but if the Pakistani bowlers could have maintained the pressure they would have bowled SA out for less than 100. If the bowling had been better than Pakistan would have been able to win both of the last two matches. I was very disappointed by the batting, and the lack of fight, which Pakistan usually displays. Pakistan needs a batting coach to teach them the fundamental and teach them to become a more disciplined batting side. Hopefully this will increase the consistency of the batting lineup.

  • Sootebaaz on October 28, 2006, 0:11 GMT

    The solution to our wicketkeeping, batting and captaincy issue in ONE!

    Some one bring Moin Khan back!

    We might grab more catches (behind the stumps), effect more run outs (opposition, of course!), score more runs, ingrain a do-or-die attitude in the rest of the team and even get more buzz about this deadbeat team with all that trademark screaming and shouting!!!!

    'Come on Moin Bhai!!!!!'

  • Asif Mohammad on October 28, 2006, 0:06 GMT

    I think Pakistan have the balance of the team wrong hence the reason for their consistent failurs. If we really think about it, we have far too many allrounders and not enough batsmen, in this tournament only 3 i.e M yusuf and Y khan, the latter badly out of form. I don't think Imran Farhat has the technique nor the temperment to succeed at top level. For Pakistan cricket sake, the PCB should stop trying to adjust everyone in the playing XI, in this match we had 5 all rounders-thats way too many and just watch we will take the same approach in tests too. Its time to do away with bits and peices cricketers and try specilaists by grooming them and giving them a decent run in their respective positions. For example:

    1) take at look 3 best openers and play them for good two-three series (my personal choice would be S Butt and T Umar)

    2) we need to desperatly look for another middle order batsman who will show some guts after inzi is gone.

    3) for goodness sake play less all rounders, I believe in test team their is only place for Razzaq, afridi and shoaib malik to fight over-not all three. Play max of three allroundrs in the one day game. I agree with Imran khan, who always preferrd specialists in any form of cricket over bits and pieces-they might give you odd flash of brilliance but cant offer stability that is required to become the worlds bes.

    4) lastly, its time PCB made some hard bouncy tracks in pakistan to give these gutless individuals some practice at home.

  • basit on October 28, 2006, 0:01 GMT

    It was one of the worst recent defeats considering the fact they were playing in the subcontinent.On the other hand I think the pity is that no asianteam will qualify for the next round provided if India loses to Aus and thats a big shame.I think in the Asian block the game has got commercialised and losing its hold interms of quality.The authorities should work on how to produce better teams rather than getting into irrelevant issues.

    "The most predictable thing about Pakistan teamis their unpredictability"---Basit

  • John D'Sousa on October 28, 2006, 0:00 GMT

    Agreed. Pakistani batsmen were pathetic today, and South African bowlers a different class.

    BUT, i wonder if this is loss (and that to New Zealand) is a blessing in disguise for Pakistan.

    You do feel sorry for them, consider this:

    1. 2 x Strike bowlers gone 2. Numero uno batsman and calming influence in team gone 3. Afridi, Younis, Akmal and Naved desperately out of form (lets not even talk about Farhat) 4. All the off-field drama distracting the team

    They have around 4-5 months for their key players to rediscover their form before the World Cup, and their fast bowelrs to kick their drug habit. Things can change.

    I just have this sneaky feeling that this ultra talented side will turn things around - with a lot of help from the Almighty. All that praying has to come good at some point, hasnt it?

  • ussyman on October 27, 2006, 23:49 GMT

    i tell you one thing that if the board wernt so ignorant they would have had mushy playing and brought back saqlain mushatq two best spin bowlers for us in the last 10 yrs and because of performing badly in one tournemnt they were turned away?! i hope this brings them to thier senses and showes them experience is always handy, saqlain isnt even thet old he is only 29! what do you guys think?

  • Fouad Chaudhry on October 27, 2006, 23:48 GMT

    I think it was a lesson for Younis Khan. No one is above the game and perhaps it was Allah's will to make them realise that one should always be modest with his performance. I am hopeful that the team will learn form its mistakes and will do bettet in the coming series. I still believe we are playing with too many all rounders. We should play with 6 batsmen and 4 bolwers. Out of top six atleast 5 should be genuine batsmen.

  • sanjay chawla on October 27, 2006, 23:44 GMT

    I think it comes down to the fighting spirit in the teams in the subcontinent.None of the teams in the subcontinent have a fighting spirit as teams like Austrailia, South Africa and New Zealand.To me the players in that part of the world are making too much money from the adverts and are not worried about winning or losing.You would hardly see the players from New Zealand on the advertisments and they have to perform to be able to earn money and they have that spirit of winnig or atleast trying...

  • Karthik Bhanu on October 27, 2006, 23:38 GMT

    This is a familiar story. Give batsmen from Pakistan or India a grassy pitch to bat on against quality opposition and they'll fold up like a pack of cards. Let's look at the Pakistan batting line up. If Imran Farhat can't bat 10 overs and lend solidity to the top order, then he has no business opening the innings. You can't do anything about a beauty of a delivery like the one that got Mohammed Yousuf but if you play in a cavalier manner when you have high stakes as if there's no tomorrow, then it smacks of a lack of commitment. True, Ntini bowled brilliantly but if you can't cope up against any form of swing bowling then you have to take your pitches with you. Pakistan is probably the only team which has loads of talent and regularly wastes it at the top level.

  • Fayed on October 27, 2006, 23:37 GMT

    3 strong reasons for Pakistani’s disgraceful lose.

    Bob Woolmer: His job is to coach the team. What have we seen him do that was not being done before he arrived. Our boy’s never could play on bouncy wickets AND we’re still the same if not worse, we haven’t won any big tournaments? I would ask Mr. Woolmer “ What have you achieved with the Pakistani team?

    Youins Khan : Proved he is a DUMMY captain

    And the most important factor for Pakistani to lose ..........

    PCB what does it stand for "Premature Childish BOY'S"

    They made a whole mess of things by calling back SA and MA. I guarantee you they'll reinstate them, all will be forgotten and next time around the ICC will catch some other Pakistani players for the same charges and we'll look like idiots all over again cause as I said they are "Premature Childish Boy's"

  • ali on October 27, 2006, 23:37 GMT

    the attack bowling wasn't a good selection they had to choose mohammed sami for this tour and take the bowling attack along with rana naved ul hassan

  • agha raza on October 27, 2006, 23:26 GMT

    I will put a major blame on Younis, first as a captain he allowed SA to recover from 42 for 5 on a bowler friendly wicket, and then as a batsman with good technique he failed completely. In my opnion SA should have been bowled out around 100 after being 42/5.

  • Shahzad, Toronto on October 27, 2006, 23:24 GMT

    Disgusting Mr. Abbasi. I am so embarrased. Why can't Pakistan ever adapt to the conditons of the pitch. How can we be a world class team if we fail so miserably, so often.

    At every loss of a wicket my heart kept sinking and I thought "No, not another Old Trafford performance" or should I say capitulation.

    The top seven batsman need to take a long, hard, look in the mirror and ask themselves what happened and if they deserve a place in the team. The "A" team could have done a better job.

    I was hoping that the two Y's were going to get together as they usually do and make a good partnership, but it wasn't to be. Other than Yousef, who got out on a good ball, all the other batsmen did not adapt to the conditions. Now back to the drawing board and the shambles that is Pakistan cricket at the moment.

  • Naeem Amin on October 27, 2006, 23:15 GMT

    Hi everyone I must say that we should not be disappoited for the way our players played today. By now we must have been used to of non-professional behaviour of our cricketers. I don't think that our team needs any coach. The more they need is a person who can improve their attitude and approach. Our players must realize that its not merely game for them. Its their profession. They must strive hard. They are paid for it. So why don't they put their 100% to win the game. It was yet another pathetic and shameful performance by our cricketers. Our players must be ashamed for this.

  • s n hyder on October 27, 2006, 23:11 GMT

    No doubt one team has to loose,but loosing without a fight is called SURRENDER and players are not employed with healthy central contracts to act in this way.The players know that their positions are secure so long they keep the kingmakers in PCB happy.How long a player can continue on his reputation only?This is nothing but a wake up call to members of PCB and selection panel.

  • Faruque Ahmad on October 27, 2006, 23:08 GMT

    The pakis will never shine as long as the morons in the Pak cricket board do not change the policy. This type of abject performance is quite expected given that cricket is played in Pakistan on lifeless flat pitches in front of vertually empty stands. These cricketers get payed by their sponsoring offices. Who cares what happens in the field!! Just need rigion-specific domestic competition where spectators would come to support their regional teams and the atmosphere would be tense in the field.

  • Farrukh Tariq on October 27, 2006, 23:03 GMT

    I think its high time and its still not too late that Imran Farhat makes way for Yasir Hameed. The man who averages 40 in oday cricket you cant ignore him. We need to sort out our opening pair and Yasir is the best available option to be replaced. With Inzi back in the middle order and Yousuf continued form our batting will be sorted but without Shoaib and Asif Pakistan cannot win worldcup. You need those 10 wickets and Pakistan does not have a bowler that can win a match for them on his own.

  • Khurram Dawood on October 27, 2006, 22:57 GMT

    Damn i am mad on Pakistan today.

    I tink domstic cricket should use better pitches not just flat tracks.

    Pakistan has most fast bowler waiting to get chance. why we need fast bowlers when we make flat picthes at home ? how will our batsmenn will learn to play on a seaming pitch ?

    And plz send afridi as opner.

    And asmin kamal should get chance. he is much better than 80% of batsmens in Pak team now.

    I cant belive what happends today :((

    Now i hope WI win ICCT

  • Tahir Hashmi on October 27, 2006, 22:53 GMT

    Can someone please explain to me when Shoaib and Asif were called back due to doping, why did the Pakistan selection committee choose to replace them with two allrounders like Yasir Arafat and Abdul Rehman, instead of two genuine fast bowlers like Shahid Nazir and Sami? Esp when the team is already full of allrounders and is clearly lacking in the fast bowling department. This weakness was clearly exposed today and against NZ.

    Pakistan team, as always can be brilliant one day and atrocious the next (and the day after in this case), which shows lack of leadership and planning. On the occasions when they are brilliant, they do so based on sheer talent. Younis was touted as an inspiring and ingenious captain. I failed to see it in this tournament, except for a few brief moments. Today he played right into the hands of SA, who were struggling at 43-5. Instead of going for the kill by putting in agressive fielding and using his best seamers, he opted to keep their overs for the end, and thus letting them bat out the 50 overs, which is exactly what they needed and wanted to do. Younis let all the Pakistani fans down today. Despite all of our weaknesses we were in a very strong position to win against both NZ and SA.

    The Pakistani think tank better get their act together fast and get some specialist batsmen and fast bowlers (esp in the probable absence of Shoaib and Asif) ready for the WC 2007, if we want to be competitive in it. I would say grooming Yasir Hameed, Shahid Nazir, Mohammad Sami, and Shabbir Ahmed might be a good start. Bob Woolmer needs to start earning his salary and start'coaching' these guys.

  • Haroon on October 27, 2006, 22:50 GMT

    Yes it was a terrible loss but let's not panic please!!!!! We had a bad day at the office. With Inzamam coming back and hopefully Shaoib and Asif returning (at least one of the two) I think we will be fine. Our problem is our openers. The sooner current openers are condemned the better. Imran Farhat and Butt should never be considered. Hafeez and some one else (probablt Ysair Hameed) should be given a proper chance. Both have the technique, skill and are good fielders. Middled order cannot be exposed time and again the way it happens to Pakistan. Fix the opening pair and let the veterans returns. I promise you we will be in the final four in the worldcup.

  • adeel on October 27, 2006, 22:48 GMT

    Well I think todays performance just sums it up for Pakistan. They are not ready in any way to win or even show any decent performance in the world cup. The shot selection by the Pakistani batsmen was horrendous, as it always is when the pitch is seaming or bouncy. It just exposes their inability to cope with a situation which needs a calm head and proper shot selection.When boucher and kemp can build a partnership why can't razzaq and afridi do the same. I think we have given enough chances to afridi. He should have retired from both forms of cricket last year perhaps. And what to say of Imran Farhat? I am not really sure why is he being kept in the team inspite of showing over and over again that he is weak at any ball outside the offstump.They just don't learn from their mistakes. Now that the "dummy captain" and all the ex players who back him like anything has shown the performance of his life in this tournament, the need for someone like Inzy is more then ever.What pissed me more then anything that in the post match interview with rameez, younis khan was saying that even though we lost he was happy with the how the team played and that the boys have done well. He is right except for 10 stupid dismissals,everyone played well.There is no talent in batting and if you look at the under 19 team there are no openers their as well.Future isn't too bright for Pakistani cricket.

  • Rho on October 27, 2006, 22:40 GMT

    Mental toughness. Mental strength. These RSA players have it, and it pulls them through every time. It was an impressive showing. For a mediocre team, the West Indies are doing good!!! Keep it up, guys.

  • Amir on October 27, 2006, 22:36 GMT

    Well...i was upset all day! how can u tell me that we have no fast bowlers in pakistan waqar,wasim and akhter is there no more? how about the under 19 lads. the problems our lads have is we cannot play on bouncy tracks like today and even in england in the old trafford game the only decent batters we have are inzi moh yusuf and maybe malik we dont have any speclist batters our team is filled with make shift all rounders. i hope bob sorts this out i will still carry on supporting the lads and hope we will get it right for the world cup

  • Asad Khan on October 27, 2006, 22:35 GMT

    Hi guys,

    i think first we should stop crying - it won't change anything - the fact remains, south asian teams cannot match south africa, west indies, australia and new zealand when it comes to bat on a fast, bouncy (and grassy) pitch! Also we should stop thinking about that pakistan is a world class team - a world class team does not collapse like our team did today. The difference between South Africa and Pakistan was that Pakistan was not playing in the same league as South Africa! They have outclassed us in all departments one can associate with Cricket!!! If PCB thinks they need to press the panic button and hire a new coach - i think that would destroy the team! The only coach currently who can handle this "so called" team is Bob Woolmer and this guy deserve more respect !!! Almost everything what Kamran bhai said was right and i think Pakistan should now starting learning from their failures ( this have been said after the world cup 1992 ). They are highly paid therefore they have to behave like professionals. It was a shame to watch them playing today. I hope PCB realize and don't punish Shoaib and Asif ( a warning would do too! ), because in november we are going to face a west indies team who like South Africa today always refuses to give up - one thing all asian teams lacks!

  • Hafeez jansen on October 27, 2006, 22:27 GMT

    There is nothing surprising about the loss considering the recent tribulations the team has been put through. Add an inept board and waning talent pool, Pakistan is just not that good anymore, simple as that.

    Gone are the iconic names of Wasim, Waqar, Miandad, Mushtaq, Anwar. Inzimam, the last remnant of the great late-90s team is near retiring age. Shoaib Akhtar and the best bowling prospect, Asif are on the verge of a two year ban. It is no secret that with the loss of such greats, the public interest is waning, has already waned with the match-fixing controversy.

    A weak Pakistani team does not bode well for South Asian cricket and cricket in general, since matches between India and Pakistan still draw the highest ratings by far. I doubt there will be much excitement left if the Pakistan team implodes and becomes the next Zimbabwe. We're merely in the center of a downward spiral for Pakistani cricket that began with the debacle of the last world cup.

  • AliAbbas on October 27, 2006, 22:24 GMT

    Well i have to say. I am very dissapointed in the way pakistan have performed lately i have 14 years old and Cricket means alot to me and to see Pakistan get hammered makes me feel bad :( I dont think i can count on them anymore i think i should move on and support England

  • Kanishk Sharma on October 27, 2006, 22:23 GMT

    everybody, please calm down. This sort of incident has occured with almost all the other teams and we need to look at it humanly. I agree it was a really bad performance batting wise but it is not the end of the world. Have you guys forgotten what Pakistan achieved just a week ago against Sri Lanka??? All odds were against Pakistan but they fought hard like brave soldiers and pulled out the unexpected. People don't change so quickly!!! Just believe in your team and support them. I am an Indian but I admire the Pakistani cricket as well.

  • Shakir Naved on October 27, 2006, 22:21 GMT

    In the post-match ceremony just what was Younis saying? The little I could make out was that he is proud of his 'BUOYS'. Oh my God ! I am sure Younis is a far better thinker of the game than any in Pakistan cricket today, yes he is better than Inzamam according to me....BUT....Inzamam despite his poor English answers the question to the point and does not mumble. But Younis is a disaster in an interview and I wonder why Inzi & Younis insist on answering in English....they can answer in Urdu which can be simultaneusly translated thru an interpreter. I am sure their replies will be far more meaningful and will add perspective.

  • jahfar on October 27, 2006, 22:20 GMT

    think what to next , keep trying new pairs of opener cannot solve the situation. my suggestion is pay more attention on nbr-3/4 which is very important and the bowlers so many choices like umar gul done his job with him should put one more fast bowler like m.sammi enough to root out sa side .

  • Ammar on October 27, 2006, 22:17 GMT

    Why are all of you people so shocked by this match? Pakistan isn't a WORLD CLASS cricket team like they were back in 2000 with Saqlain Mushtaq, Wasim Akram, Saeed Anwar, Waqar Younis, Ijaz Ahmed, Aamer Sohail, Moin Khan, etc.

    South Africa is also a mere shadow of its collosus team back in 99, but they are still determined and disciplined. I was expecting a 90+ run defeat from the beginning.

    Pakistan had as close of a chance of reaching the semi finals as much of a chance Bangladesh did.

    Watch the exact same thing go down in a couple months for the World Cup 07. The current Pakistan team doesn't have what it take to win the world cup.

  • Naveed Khan on October 27, 2006, 22:16 GMT

    In both losses Younis's Captaincy needs analysis. On a slower pitch against NZ, he does not give Hafeez a chance to bowl. Hafeez had proven against SL that he can produce very tight spell. On a faster track, he does not even ask his best bowler, Umar Gul to finish his alloted overs. I think in both cases Younis's ability to read the track and adpat is questionable. I believe he has lot to learn before he can handle captaincy. I am also surprised that Woolmer did not advice him.

  • Asim Majeed on October 27, 2006, 22:14 GMT

    lets just at the very outset, clear one of the biggest myths of pakistan cricket. The myth of brilliant one day and poor the other. lets just say our current team is ordinary at best and pathetic majority of times.

    lets also take a stand against younis khan's poor ways of captaincy. dropping catches and then smiling can hardly be a way of showing one's enjoyment for game (so as he proclaims)

    finally lets just pray, that professionalism somehow becomes the focus of our players. because rest of the things can surely be taken care of given pakistan's vast talents.

  • dhaani on October 27, 2006, 22:14 GMT

    wait for india-australia match on the same ground... brett lee and company will taste blood again..batsmen from this region just cant bat on these moving pitches..

  • Abid Hussain-USA on October 27, 2006, 22:09 GMT

    I truly agreed with comments. I wish someone let Pakistan cricketer that around the world Pakistani people pay money to watch them. I am still not sure who offer Younis Khan a Caption position. I still believe that Muhammad Yousef must a Caption for this tour. I believe that PCB need start giving change to newer player because currently some player don’t ever deserve to in team such as Younis Khan, Shahid Afridi and Imran F.

  • A M on October 27, 2006, 22:09 GMT

    Lookin at today's display one thing is certain, obvious flaws need to be addressed. Pakistan had SA on the ropes with 45/5 this is where younis should have stepped up with a killer instinct approach to finish them off. He did not utilize the oppertunity made some faulty decisions, I guess is still in the learning process. Pakistan needs to give rightfull oppertunity to the endless talent waiting available to them. Inzmam by far a more superior captain.

    For all those that start attackin the religious aspect should calm down and step off. Pakistan performing poorly does not have any link with religion. They have technical defaults in there game that need to be addressed.

    I have noticed when pakistan has a good game you have everyone jumping on the band wagon, when there is a poor performance you same people start loosing your mind. Everyone has a good day and a bad day. Pakistan had a BAD DAY. They will be back.

  • Faisal on October 27, 2006, 22:07 GMT

    I think the problem that Pakistan is facing is due to Aamir Sohail. He did not allow Saeed Anwar to play when he was selector mainly because he could have made more runs etc than him (which he actually has).... As a result we never got a good opener than him. He Saeed Anwar would have stayed for 1-2 years he would have given Pakistan one or two openers which would have been a good replacement. But it is unfortunate for us that we still have to hear Aamir Sohail on TV ....

  • Mohammad Yusuf on October 27, 2006, 22:07 GMT

    I truly believe this is the beginning of end of pakistan cricket. We have seen throughout this season that pakistan is unable to produce replacements for the likes of Inzamam and Akhtar and this trend seems to be continous. Dont get me wrong but you dont win anything with below average players summed up by their averages really. There is a lot of talk about hard hitters that pakistan posses but really they only perform 30 percent of the times. What this team needs is a temprament, patience which obviously they dont have. As much as it hurts to say but i truly believe pakistan cricket is going down the drain just the field hockey did.

  • S. Khan on October 27, 2006, 22:06 GMT

    Yes, Kamran you've just written what I feel about Pakistan cricket. We are all die hard fans of Pakistan Cricket but with regrets our cricket just like our country required a better administrator which could give a good professional show at an international level. We have plenty of talent in the country but we still persist with those who have no clue even how to carry a bat, I think I would have performed better than these so called batsmen. Afridi, Akmal, Rana, Arafat and some more of that bunch should be out and rested on the hot grounds of Punjab.

  • tariq hafiz on October 27, 2006, 22:01 GMT

    Enough has already been strongly expressed & stated about our cricket team PATHETIC, NAUSEATING & MINDBOGGLING ATTITUDE . I very strongly and undoubtedly feel that with very very few exceptions, the current Pakistani cricket team members extremely LACK the two very basic & fundamental emotions namely the DESIRE & MOTIVATION to succeed.

  • Mustafa Moiz on October 27, 2006, 21:49 GMT

    Mr. Abbasi,

    You hyped up everyone about Arafat and then he was the one who played in Kemp and Boucher. His batting, though he top-scored, had several fours that were edged back past slip. Afridi is not performing now, but as soon as he gets a century everyone will be singing praises about him. Sami is not being played when Shoaib Akhtar cannot so how do you expect to win without genuine pace, Younis Khan? That is, and has been for the past three decades, Pakistan's strength. The pitch that would best suit Rana was the one that he didn't play on and Malik should have bowled ten overs. Afridi takes wicket and Hafeez contains. Malik does both. Razzaq bowled after Arafat, how does that make sense? Pakistan's 14 best players are Malik, Sami, Razzaq, Yousuf, Shoaib Akhtar, Yasir Hameed, Imran Nazir, Afridi, Inzamam, Butt, Hafeez, Rao, Gul and Rana. Younis isn't bad.

  • Ahmed on October 27, 2006, 21:48 GMT

    Its clear that Pakistan team is a big void without Inzamam's captaincy. I dont think Younis Khan has that mental maturity to shoulder the responsibilities of a captain and think like a leader. Time to search for a new captain bcoz Inzi wont last for long. Probably, Shoaib Malik will make a good captain. He is a intelligent person and a good thinker and most importantly, he is very proactive and has that ability to think like a leader.

  • Khurram Siddiqi on October 27, 2006, 21:46 GMT

    Shameful...disgusting! I wish somebody can pass all of the above to our 'dummy' captain, our team & PCB chairman. Kamran, can you try pleeeez! They say Cricket is one of the ethos that hold our nation together. What a disarray...I wonder if this is a representation of our national spirit today?

    I am sure Pakistan will be back again in all the headlines, yet again....after being there several times in the past few months....what an image of our nation! More worrying than the performance is the attitude of our captain & the attitude of our nation (exhibited in one of the responses above). Our captain who by the way happens to represent 160million people's dreams had the audacity to say "its all part of the game, we take some POSITIVES out of this....boyz are working hard & inshallah....". In the pre-match interviews, while Smith talked of working on Pakistan's weaknesses and putting together game plans to win etc, Mr Younis talked about team relaxing together, enjoying dewali and watching indian movies! Mr Younis had clearly planned for this and i presume that's the reason why he seems so unshaken & confident. After all he has all the support of the board....never mind the country's pride. 2nd question...why is he the captain. Yousuf clearly has more experience, more performances. Has Younis ever performed against a world class team. Incompetent leader...inadequate performance, isn't this sound like the familiar story of a country called Pakistan? Now to one of the comments above, which I've also heard from one of my friends in a post match telecon. "You'll see India would also lose". Gosh....we never seem to change...do we....why blame the cricketers?

  • Faisal Yasin on October 27, 2006, 21:43 GMT

    I think that it is part of the game that we lost. But the mian thing is that we lost wothout fight. Just see the last match in which India played well although they were defeated but it was a close contest in the end. I think that rather than talking about Younas Khan captain, the main thing is that can he play for Pakistan team. His record is not good at all and by saying that he played well against India during the test and one days do not mean at all that he is a good player. In my opinion a good player should be consistent specially when he is only a batsmen. He is professional person and gets payed for it. Like a person works in office he should also work under pressure. Being the captain Younas khan has made less than 10 runs per match in this series while batting at such a important place. Now coming to the captaincy, I think that Younas Khan did not use his bowlers efficiently. In all the matches he used the spinners after 30 over and having five fielders in the circle during the last 10 overs. We all respect Imran khan but he thinks that Younas Khan should be made captain then he should first train him. Younas Khan said before starting the series that he donot want to be a dummy captian so my question is that what he has done now .......

  • Yameen on October 27, 2006, 21:39 GMT

    Lot of debate about the caliber or capability about Pakistani sportsmen. Anytime or every time we hear speaking any leading Pakistani sportsmen or a foreign trainer, they appreciate the abundant commendable talent they see and find in Pakistan. But what happen when our capable team play against any polished professional side in a pressure game. All the expectation we and other people have from their capability doesn’t come up to the required level. And every time we have doubt about them they come out in fine colors. That says lot about missing professional aptitude. Lot of us familiar with the local football knows the different level of college and profession football league.

  • Toothless in Mohali on October 27, 2006, 21:39 GMT

    Firstly, lets get this straight - Pakistan are not going to win the world cup. So lets stop all the 'buk-buk' about the World Cup.

    Secondly, lets accept the fact that these guys are second rate. All this talk about superstar this and superstar that is BS. Most of the aussies, south africans, and yes, even Indians are better players but not 'Superstars' We have spoiled our own team by talking them up.

    finally, we must also accept that cricket is just a form of entertainment, and the unpredicablility of the pakistan cricket team makes it 'entertaining' and indeed exciting. Lets stop being cricket analysts, for that we arent. Lets stick to wathcing cricket and accept defeat when it comes out way.

  • Venkatesh on October 27, 2006, 21:36 GMT

    Damn good article. The usual tempermental hot and cold you expect from Pakistan. Hot with the ball and cold with the bat. The age old fear factor of anything that swings or bounces above knee high can't be blamed on the coach. The boys just don't have the heart out there to guts it out for their country. In the middle it's up to you. Practice holds nothing there. I wonder how Bob handles it, since the SA team is not shy of the short ball, and he coached them too didn't he? It's all glory boy stuff for the Pakistanis. No 'sterility' I guess. Pity. Winning is not always about flair. It's about overcoming your 'six an over' desire when the chips are down. Something Pakistan have shown they can do, miraculously at times. But they are woefully inept at consistency. Unbeatable when they are on a roll. And that's how it will always be? Unless some strong team and mental leadership can steer the ship from the front. In rough seas. Not the tranquil calm of featherbed wickets. Wake up Pakistan. Or else the nightmare will continue.

  • Masood on October 27, 2006, 21:36 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran they did leave with dishonour today. It might be blessing in disguise by loosing this way as it does reflect the real ability of the team without Inzi & two bowlers. It might trigger soul searching & we might get the things right before world cup .Younis's captaincy was pethatic, clueless & horrible at best, he was all over the shop when the going gets tough. I would'nt let him captain my Guli(street) team lets alone NATIONAL side & his place in the ODI had been questioned in the past & might be guestioned again in near future lets alone leading the side. His real ability has been exposed(which is zero) when the responisbility was put on his weak & paralysed shoulders. He was over inflated (under the shaddow of BIG INZI in previous test matches). After this display I have no doubt in my mind that Pakistan have got a big job in hand to find an appropriate captain after Inzi's retirement as if younis takes over, Pakistan team will go down big time. It has clearly shown how much we depent of Inzamam, we may do ok without the two quickies but without Inzi we are only 20%. (as was obvious in WI tour & Indian tour in 2004-05.

    Masood-USA

  • anon on October 27, 2006, 21:32 GMT

    It's simple. Pakistan really need a strong leader - on and off the field. This will only come through continued stability at the PCB and discipline needs to be instilled through the whole team AND mangement. Less politics, more action - it really is not that hard guys!

  • Mubashir Mahmood on October 27, 2006, 21:31 GMT

    I hope pakistan lost the match when south africa recorved from 42/5. i think pakistan really missed shoaib and asif in this match and most probally asif. Younus needs to be trained under inzamam as vice captain.

  • Comrade Shariar. on October 27, 2006, 21:21 GMT

    Dear Mr. Kamran. Logically you cannot blame any of the member of Pakistani cricket team, before match they did thier job by praying to Allah, but they forget to understand Allah will never play for them & it is very easy to understand that the way Pakistani captain keep on smiling after losing the game so disgracefully.

  • Ghulam Hussain on October 27, 2006, 21:21 GMT

    When players start demanding their batting order, like Afridi for # 5 slot, then such results are very obvious.

    It is time to revamp the entire cricket structure right from the players to the administration.

    Bring in young talent and take the services of the talented ex-player like Miandad, Asif Iqbal Majid Khan etc.

  • Sonny on October 27, 2006, 21:19 GMT

    I am going to keep it real short. It is thought that Inzi is going to retire after world cup. I think this Champions Trophy gave us a sneak peek at what the future holds for the Pakistani team. I think they 'll HORRIBLE. I dont know how they are going to compete with the best in the world.

  • Bilal on October 27, 2006, 21:19 GMT

    I agree with Kamran. I would like to add that in addition to lack of killer instinct, leadership qualities, mental toughness, batting techniques Pakistan have also not held on to the many half chances offered to them. In match against NZ, kamran Akmal missed a simple runout of Scott Styris and he went on to score 86. Abdul Razzaq's lack of professionalism is evident from the fact that he has not learnt to stay behind the stummps, when the fielder aims for the stumps. Otherwise Justin Kemp was a gonner, and Pakistan could have cruised on. Bowlers have a tendency to be very expensive towards the end of the game and are unable to keep a check on the flow of runs. Again Younis Khan's commitment and leadership qualities are questionable. It is definite pro to be a cheerful captain but to grin jovially after humiliating total annihilation.....he should atleast be solemn or look aggreived. i believe winning and losing is part of the game but going doen fighting is important. Even the 51 run loss against the Kiwis was not heartrending; it was a spirited run chase by a depleted side that fought well till the END. This is the major difference between our side and sides like SA and AUS possses.

  • Ghalib Taimur on October 27, 2006, 21:18 GMT

    Definitely what an end...I think all of us Pakistani supporters wanted atleast a fight if not a win.This just sums up what the Pakistani batting is all about.When given the good flat wickets like the normal ones in the subcontinent Pakistani batsmen will get huge scores but when you are really tested by some good fast bowling on difficult tracks they are left with no clue.Pakistan now need to take drastic measures. They could be: 1.Sacking of Bob Woolmer:I feel this new administration is not in favour of him and he has not brought in a stable opening pair and then the fielding has yet to really improve as much as it should have.To add to that the bowling department is handled by Waqar Younis. 2.Usage of all-rounders:Pakistan are playing too many all-rounders and some of them need to be dropped to pave way for specialist batsmen and bowlers.In the game against South Africa after taking the 5 wickets Pakistan didn't look like taking any more as there were no quality bowlers.If there was a Kaneria maybe it could have been different. 3.Pitches in Pakistan:The pitches being used in Pakistan for domestic as well as international cricket are too batsmen friendly and hence we are not producing batsmen with good techniques as was evident in the game against South Africa.

  • Aditya on October 27, 2006, 21:18 GMT

    Kamran, South Africa is the farthest thing from being "sterile" as you call it. They are packed with talent in batting and bowling, and Pakistan were simply undone by some excellent bowling on a helpful pitch. But that doesn't mean they are down and out. Pakistan now know that they need to develop a strong second-string seam attack - I don't think Shoaib Akhtar will last too long...and they also need to insert some kind of professionalism into their game...keep team matters confined to the dressing room, and learn to take responsibility for their actions...that is one thing that is lacking in Pakistan cricket...it's always a case of looking for a scapegoat.

  • }{ÃRÎ$ on October 27, 2006, 21:06 GMT

    Alright leave all other aspects aside. Contemplate the way batsmen have retroacted today... Farhat and Hafeez got out of almost same fashion as in the last game... it's a wayward attitude, and personally I think batsman like these can't learn, no matter how much mistakes they accomplish.... both of them have rejoined team for the third or forth time I reckon... improvement ought to be indispensable, to be honest. Besides, the remaing middle and lower order showed least disinclined behavior in bat.... alright I know there's no Inzamam, but why is it that all the bastmen with above 30 average didnt even reach double figures? Disregard Afridi at this stage bcz we had no expectation of victory ever since he came to bat. The foremost duty of captain is to play side-by-side the team... Younis showed no cogent tactics whatsoever, the pitch randomly gave wickets to bowlers since it was considerably bouncy, and once the luck had gone past Pakistan, Boutcher and Kemp completely outplayed Pakistan. All of my hopes for Pakistan cricket team has been despaired.... if they still can't learn, I fear they have a devastating future.

  • Omar Ansari on October 27, 2006, 21:00 GMT

    I can't say I didn't expect a defeat, but I definitely didn't expect the players to give up without a fight.

    The first over when Omar Gul struck twice, I knew we were in contention to win the match but only if we restricted RSA to a score of less than 150.

    I won't even talk about the Pakistani batting collapse, the thought of it is enough to depress me, instead I will lay some criticism on Younis Khan's captaincy, is it just me or were all the Pakistani cricket legends saying that Younis is more creative and competent than inzimam? Well after looking at this tournament I would say Younis depends a lot on luck and doesn't really use his brains, before this match he kept on sending afridi up the order, and through out the tournament he used Razzak as a bowling option in the last 10 overs when we all know his success as a bowler has never been great. Then for some bizarre reason Rana got dropped today from a pitch that was tailored for him, I really can't believe this.

    Pakistan needs to do a lot of work if they are to come close to being the most dominant side in the world, I feel sorry for Imran Farhat. I wish god had granted him some intelligence along with his awesome talent....

    I hope Pakistan picks up their game real fast... because right now unless Asif and Akhtar get pardoned, we have no hope of winning the world cup let alone reaching the semis....

  • Sarfraz on October 27, 2006, 20:59 GMT

    Today's defeat is slap on Pakistani cricket especially batsmen. After this spineless performance from the team I am cancelling my trip to WI for the Wolrd Cup. On the other note,

    Why is Imran Farhat is still playing for Pakistan. Everyone knows he is lousy opener. Remember all those irresponsible cut shots. Imran Farhat should be dropped for a very long time until he improves his batting.

    Why can't we use technology (statistics, replays etc.) to our advantage like Australia and South Africans do. We seem to go into the game hoping that either Mohammad Yousaf or Abdul Razzaq will win the match for us. Use technology to our advantage, so we go into each game knowing your opponents strength and weaknesses.

    Give Afridi some rest and let him sort out his batting.

    Kamran Akmal is taking his position for granted. Need a good keeper batsman to replace Kamran when he is not in form. Kamran has not batted well for a very long time now.

    Woh... I feel a bit better now.

  • mawali on October 27, 2006, 20:59 GMT

    No question; a dismal performance. South African men beat up hapless Pakistani boys. Younis made some mistakes no doubt, but to say the outcome would be different if Inzy was there is dillussional at best. South african bowlers were simply a class apart; not just in this game but even in the Sri Lanka game they bowled an impecable line and lenght. There is no secret that Pakistani batsman like Afridi and Co are heroes of dead pitches and that has proven itself time and again. Pakistan cricket needs to make some fundamental changes, which start with an infrastructure that reflects world standards. To play and beat the best you have to learn to play like them and better.

  • arif on October 27, 2006, 20:58 GMT

    Pakistan are an unlucky team. Anyone batting second on that pitch was going to falter. To then not have their best batsman and captain and and miss out on their two best bowlers, who would have decimated South Africa on that pitch, two days before the tournament, cannot be under estimated.

    If Pakistan have a problem it is with their Board. Any brand new Chairman that asks the team's highly respected captain to tone down his religious charectaristics, so much so that the captain is forced to defend himself, can only bode badly for the future.

    We need an absentee Chairman who gets on with his job and lets the captain do his job.

    We also need a board that does not ask for for voluntary blood tests and recalls the players before they have been found guility. Our board is just plain stupid.

    Until we have a non political board the team and nation will continue to suffer. President Musharraf where are you?

  • kamal on October 27, 2006, 20:58 GMT

    It happened to Pakistan's hockey team and now it is happening tothe cricket team - not adapting to the new environment in cricket. I think gone are the days when individual talents could compensate for the lack of team spirit and discipline. We need to ensure consistency in our batting and a will and plan to win each and every match. Take lessons from the aussies. Why is it that on any given day, any Pakistani player can wow the opponent and on another day they look like school boys facing up to the professionals.

    Time to look at the piches, developing the winning attitude and take no enemies mentality.

  • Amir on October 27, 2006, 20:57 GMT

    Win or lost is not matter. Matter is the display of cricket was shame. Now we can remember captain Like Imran Khan who was fighter till the end. Every Cricket lover specially Pakistani would be upset with the performance of Pakistan the way pakistan team shattered today.Please forget past asWorld cup is ahead we should regroup our team and required necessary changes like eliminate Imran Farhat and Afridi bring in Solid Opener and middle order batsman. Kamaran Akmal should do some home work as well if he wanna maintain his position. Captain debate can also be consider.Finally for WestIndies tour we should prepare bouncy and green top surfaces. Please don't penalize Shoib and Asif otherwise forget World cup

    Amir from Toronto

  • Asif on October 27, 2006, 20:56 GMT

    What a shameful performance, besides,coaches, the first one to go is Saleem Altaf. We must clean the house. A good suggestion is preparing bouncy pitches in Pakistan. I think its time to get rid of expensive foreign coaches.

  • Kapil on October 27, 2006, 20:55 GMT

    Pakistan team is not responsible for this stuff.Pakistani team has always undergone crisis once in 2 years .I 'm sure once Pakistani team goes out of the WC ..somebody like Kamran akmal will be made the captain..Players like Afridi shud be sacked simply bcuz of his arrogance n attitude ..Same is the case wid India ..players like sehwag r too stubborn ..will never change their game.both of them shud be ashamed that they take such huge pay cheques and do not deliver ..Well its a shame that this championship is held in the subcontinent and no team made it to the quarters..Well I'm assuming that Australia are going to beat India ..Well we are really disappointed guys..

  • Mohsin Butt on October 27, 2006, 20:52 GMT

    Its a sad day for Pakistan cricket ! I only see a bleak future for pakistan without asif and akhtar.

    There is no doubt if these two maverics were playing then we would have wraped the safires up. But credit has to be given to boucher and kemp for showing such character. Well played South africa.

    It was an honour and joy watching Makiya Ntini bowl, so electric and with such entuisasm. It looked like he was going to get a wicket every ball.

    So south africa are deservedley through. As for Pakistan its back to the drawring board. They need to start Developing lively wickets such as todays at home more often. This all has to start at first-class level. The system is the root of the problem.

    It will be a relief to have inzamam back as captain. All pakistanis are waiting for normal service to resume. Hopefully god willing that will happen in the west indies series.

  • Nauman on October 27, 2006, 20:51 GMT

    Pakistan has displayed once again what it is capable of doing.One can normally assosciate such a dismal batting performance from pakistan once every series.Remember 1999 world cup final ,natwest series final against Aussies almighty, against England more recently ,but today was the "best" of all.Once the green pitch was on our disposal inevitable collapse had to happen.The low ,flat ,dusty tracks back home have made our batsmen ill-equipped to play likes of Mcgrath and pollock.Their feet just clung to the pitch.

    Pakistan team was once renowned for its attacking insticts ,which it's not now.World cup 1992 was won by playing attacking cricket not by defensive strategies.Why are we afraid to attack once the opposition is under presure?Today younis khan made the same mistake which waqar younis made in 2003 world cup match against Australia.In that match a hero in Andrew symond was born ,today it was the turn of justin Kemp.Not to forget we have already created some stars ..henry olonga ,Reon king..L.Balaji in past.When will we learn from our past??!!

    Intensive hardwork has to be put in if we are to compete against top teams and that is Something not body is ready to put in,Bob would be going back to S.A for vacaions ,players to familes and how many to nets?!!.The world cup is right around the corner and chances are bleak !!

  • anum on October 27, 2006, 20:50 GMT

    its disappointing to see our players lose like this specially when they are highly capable. younis khan and imran farhat just gave away their wickets. it seems that our players are lacking in concentration. im a pakistani supporter all the way, but seeing their performance today, im glad they are out of the tournament coz they dont deserve to be in it. this is a tournament for professionals, not 'bunnies' as a lot of ppl are calling them.

  • Mustafa New York on October 27, 2006, 20:50 GMT

    pakistan bastmen did not show fighting spirit and they melted so fast. World class team should show like world class fighting in difficult situation.

  • Asad Bukhari on October 27, 2006, 20:48 GMT

    I thoroughly enjoyed watching Kubudi b/w Punjab white and Sindh greens this evening, atleast thats one game we can still complete internationally.

    All said and written, I would only add feul to the fire already burning in our hearts. Is Yunus ready to be a captian now? After playing over 200 ODIs, is Afridi worthy of his position in the team? Is there a back up for Kamran Akmal becuase he is now an old man who cant see teh three wickets merely 3 feet away? Can we find another stable opening pair atleast equivalent to Saeed Anwer and amir Sohail?.........lots of questions and just five months to world cup......GOD help our team and God put some sense in PCB official.......

  • Don Khan on October 27, 2006, 20:48 GMT

    Paki Cricket Fans, Brothers, Sisters.

    So last night I couldnt manage to be up from 2 am onwards, and it broke my heart. Then you wake up to this.

    I have worked in the Pakistan Cricket Board, and let me tell you we give our team a hard time. You want them to reflect these values which are not a part of the common infrastructure.

    Don't get me wrong, I am sick and tired of Pakistanis talking about Pakistan and its potential like some forlorn hope; but the reality is brothers, our cricketers reflect us. If Pakistan started being consistent, organized, and all these great things, it wouldnt be Pakistan.

    Who is ORGANIZED? England? They are abysmal. The West Indies are in a good patch of form but compared to the 80s patch they are Bunnies.

    Don't get me started on India. With their resources, funds, infrastructure, so called domestic leagues, they still cannot score 200 in India.

    We will go on from here. InshAllah. But remember this is sport, and our boys well...

    Just as bemused as you, Don Mo Khan

  • Moosa Pervez on October 27, 2006, 20:46 GMT

    Why hue and cry on the pakistanis performance of today. Have they did not do this before? The biggest problem is the PCB. You see another guy has entered thru Chor darwaza. Until this thing is not stopped nothing will be changed overall. Where the president of pakistan is the patron in chief of the pakistani cricket, do not expect any miracle. What a shameful bunch of jokers they are?

  • Matthew Vassard on October 27, 2006, 20:45 GMT

    I take umbridge to your implication that South African cricket is boring ("Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia"). 438/9 says otherwise as well as the fact that our bowlers completely ripped Pakistan apart. I'd wager Ntini's five-for was the fastest of all time. That's exciting in anyone's book. I'd like to point you to the undeniable reality that after losing to New Zealand, and having to beat two subcontinent teams in the subcontinent to get to the semis, SA clicked into the same gear that saw them chase down 434. Balls to the wall. We may not have players as flashy as Afridi, but the ones we have certainly get the job done...emphatically. The log shows that SA are top and Pakistan are on their way home. 'Nuff said on that. Here's to Australia giving India a good thumping and keeping all the subcontinent teams out of the semis! Just to prove my point of course.

  • Sabika on October 27, 2006, 20:44 GMT

    sigh i absolutely agree. your first paragraph is so right. they are preffesional cricketers i expect them to show some fight. before this game started i was thinking ok so if we lose i want us to go down fighting hwhat happened here was so far formthat its deppresing. hopefully soemthing good comes out of this match though.

  • faisal ansari on October 27, 2006, 20:44 GMT

    A absolute poor performance by team we dn`t have proper opners plz can someone tell me on what basis imran fahrat is in team they way he bat, we need to see yasir hameed, imran nazir.What younis was thinking when he played that short i think, the whole cricket management need soul thinking, all in all very poor performance deserve to be out.

  • Irteza on October 27, 2006, 20:43 GMT

    One thing we probably forget is that batting has always remained Pakistan's weakness. We have always hyped on the self declared talent of our Pakistani batsmen, yet the fact is they lack the technique and professionalism to compete at the highest level.They have shown only flashes of brilliance but could never put up a consistent performance in batting. You can gauge yourself from the results of Worldcup 1992 till date. Even after winning the Woldcup, their batting failed in the ODIs of the following England tour. In the following worldcups also so often rear guard action was seen by the allrounders and the bowlers. So, face it! statistically it is not surprising that Pakistan batting failed and will fail in future.... I sincerely think that this is not going to change anytime sooner than 10 years....

  • Amyn Habib on October 27, 2006, 20:41 GMT

    Dr. Abbasi, your analysis focuses too much on bowling. Bowling was not the major problem today. Although this loss is disappointing, it is neither surprising nor some aberration. You will get the same result every time the Pakistani batsmen encounter quality bowling on a lively track. The problem has to do with the mediocre quality of Pakistani batting. At this time Pakistan has only two world class batsmen (Yousuf and Inzamam) and even they are known to struggle against quality fast bowling (i.e. Pakistan in Australia or South Africa). If you want to defeat the best teams, find some people who can really bat. Amyn Habib

  • NKD on October 27, 2006, 20:40 GMT

    People Are we forgetting the events that led to the C.Trophy. Are we forgetting the fact that this is a team in the making. Are we forgetting that this was the team that beat an experienced Srilankan team in the very first game they played. Are we forgetting that we need Younis Khan as our next Imran Khan. This team will come around, give them some time. It takes years for the teams to come together and play. Pakistani team is asking for a few months. Believe in Younis Khan, he will be the leader that Pakistan is looking for.

  • Taha Sadaqat on October 27, 2006, 20:39 GMT

    well this tournament has proved that Inzi is the eternal part of this pakistan team,hez the backbone.Not shoaib,not asif,not anyone else ..but inzi is the one who just knows how to play with this pakistan team.he just stands and takes you to the victory himself even with the tail enders.Shoaib and Asif are definitely important,they are our strike bowlers,you have back-up bowlers like Shahid Nazir and Sami ullah Khan Niazi whoz a left armer which can give variety to your attack whereas Shahid nazir has a wonderful line and he could have proved himself a wonderful bowler on these green wickets .Younis Khan's captaincy also was proved very poor ,hence proved that whenever inzi misses a match and he takes over ... its basically inzi's instinct which continues and younis becomes successul .. but here younis had the full tournament and he made mess of the things even before start of the tournament.Inzi should be appointed captain till world cup definitely and shoaib and asif should be back and teh wonderful leg spinner mushtaq ahmed should be given a chance in the test matches

  • Greg on October 27, 2006, 20:36 GMT

    I thought Makhaya Ntini was fantastic today, did not matter who he was bowling to not only Pakistan would have struggled today. Although I thought South Africa were very lucky today that once again there middle order stepped up. SA rely to heavily on Kallis and the middle order. Luckily the hugely underrated Makhaya pulled us out of the fire again. Greg (London)

  • Zain on October 27, 2006, 20:35 GMT

    Look how can we say such horrible comments about our own team hold are heads up high that is what we should do not discourage ourselves even more by critisizing

  • TB on October 27, 2006, 20:34 GMT

    Once again Pakistan's batting collapsed on a bouncy pitch. I was disappointed the way Younis Khan performed in this tournament, not so much as a captain but as a batsman. Players do not become great captains overnight, so I know there has to be a learning curve for him. As Imran Khan always said No. 3 is the most important position in a batting line up and your best batsman has to bat at that position. I am not sure who is our best batsman, should Mo Yo bat at 3? Oh well another bad day in the office, thankfully no one died.

  • hafiz usman on October 27, 2006, 20:33 GMT

    all my brothers posting and replying to mr kamrans blog chill out man, listen people call me pakistan cricket crazy and many other things along these lines and dissaponted we all are after seeing team pakistan bow out of the competition in a sad way, its not the end of the world,

    firstly the heart and soul of pak cricket will return THE SULTAN OF MULATN mr INZAMAM ul HAQ who is a far better leader than mr younis khan and we all saw that his leadership ship skills was not good (i.e his field placings were tootoo agressive, which leaked too many runs against the kiwis) and also his form with the bat went into the dustbin

    its good to read what you guys think, lets show our support when the times are hard, CMON team pakistan

  • Zed Fazel on October 27, 2006, 20:32 GMT

    'Post match Presentation' interview by Younis Khan sums it all up. No remorse, no regrets, he just laughed off the perfomance with 'ya's n yes,. A patriot captain would be ashamed and admit humbly the whole team's cowardice. What has Imran Khan got to say now that his protege has failed miserably to lead from the front with glaring mistakes while fielding and abject 'surrender' while batting!. If a quick wicket can be produced in Mohali to match Headingley,Perth and Wanderers, then surely Pakistan can do it somewhere and drill their batsmen on how to play on such pitches. Otherwise they can never dream of being a top side in the world.

  • Sayyed on October 27, 2006, 20:31 GMT

    i do agree with the Kamran, unless untill we have a professional and democratic board of management of cricket they can't do any thing beter then they did today, before coming to Championd trophy Younus resign with the captiancy and claiming not to be dummy captian he take his full revenge with youg fellow Faisal, i would say if we have Faisal in the team today , atleast we can save on hand easily, Younus also showed he can't be a good Batsman and Captian same time, finally i congratulate Cahirman of BCCP to advice players to make the difference between Religion and Cricket now he got the result he has to ashame himself.

  • Steve Rollnick on October 27, 2006, 20:30 GMT

    Dear Mr Abbasi,

    Forgive me, but you said, "Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia".

    Evidence?

    Today? Boucher? Ntini?

    That run chase against Australia to break the record for a 1-day score?

    What's your day job?

  • Shahzad Haider on October 27, 2006, 20:29 GMT

    Guys,

    Give our team a break. I do agree with all but i dont think Pakistan team will repeat this performance any time soon. InshaAllah they will bonce back big time. In a sense this game is good as it will act as a wake up call to alot of our stars & they can start concentrating on cricket & basics of the game.

    I wish Pakistan team Good Luck. I havent lost my hope yet & never will.

    Shahzad

  • Shaurya on October 27, 2006, 20:26 GMT

    well well well....pakistan decimated.whom to blame???i actually dont know.i mean i hav always believed tht pakistan r a great cricketing nation.today was really a shocker.without shoaib and asif pakistan bowling attack was spineless but i thought the bowlers did a decent job.special accolades for hafeez..i think he is a under used cricketer.i wudnt really critisize the younis strategy of bowling hafeez in final overs and not using the full quota of gul etc.rather credit shud go to kemp and boucher...the way they batted and took the responsibility.as far as pakistan batting goes it was awful but i guess it was just one of the days. one more thing i wud like to add...whr is saqlain,azhar mhmood,akmal??????

    i hope things are sorted out pretty soon

  • adnan on October 27, 2006, 20:25 GMT

    i think pandora box is open,,,people like legend imran khan speaking high of captaincy of younis khan should hammer themselves on the dismal captaincy of him. in NZ match not using hafeez was a blunder,,the same has been done today. bringing him 1st at 16th over than on 36 th over speaks high of his KHANISM. WHERE afridi is to be blamed for his stupidities,i would also blame the management for not placing him on the right spot. there wasnt any need for yasir arafat , insteatd faisal iqbal could have been chance,after all he was sent for the replacement of inzi,,,,,DR NASIM JUST WAKE UP NOW,,,,U HAVE LESS TIME TO LIFT THE HONOR OF THE NATION

  • dr manish shah on October 27, 2006, 20:25 GMT

    hey dont be so harsh on pak team....india will fair worse off....if shoaib and asif were there...imagine....besides inzi was felt too....42 for 5..the back up bowlers were bad....so u must think ahead...sa will loose on normal tracks..shaid razzak and akmal and malik...these 4 will win the cup for u guys..please do recall mahmoood azar...

  • hari on October 27, 2006, 20:20 GMT

    All the teams from the subcontinent down and out. Humiliating.

  • A.Z. on October 27, 2006, 20:19 GMT

    The batting capitulation by Pakistan was distressing.However, many valuable lessons can be learned from this experience. Despite the absence of SA & MA, I believe both Umar Gul and Rao Iftikhar bowled with pace and hostility. Rana Naved did not bowl well against NZ and Yaser did not start well against SA. This allowed the opposing middle order batting to consolidate against the change bowlers. The spinners bowled reasonably. We have plenty of talented fast bowlers in Pakistan. I was particularly impressed by the accuracy and swing of Shahid Nazir in England this summer.

    We should rely on specialist bowlers and batsmen, instead of packing the side with all-rounders.

    The batting was technically deficient and the shot selection was atrocious. If they had played off the opening 10 overs with the loss of a couple of wickets only, Pakistan would have won the game. The impulsive shots by Farhat and Younis Khan were inexplicable. We need to focus on a sound opening pair and perhaps a middle order batsman like Asim Kamal. If we harbour any aspirations for a decent showing in the World Cup, we should take this opportunity and work on these weaknesses against the WI by preparing fast and bouncy wickets.

    With proper preparation and application Pakistan remains an imposing team.

  • Riff Khan on October 27, 2006, 20:19 GMT

    The batsmen lack the technique and the "mental toughness" (whatever that is) because the pitches in Pakistan do not favor fast bowling. They are for the most part completely devoid of grass. When one is not used to playing on bouncy tracks than it is only logical one will fail on bouncy tracks. The blame lies with the PCB (doesn't it always) and the PCB better do something about it. And Pakistan unlike their South Asian cousins has a pretty good depth in fast bowlers... so Pakistan I know you love betting (pun intended), please bet on yourself.

  • INDERJIT SINGH on October 27, 2006, 20:15 GMT

    I doubt abt Younis's captaincy skills.its one thing to do captaincy in 1 or 2 matches when captain is out,but to captain a sdie on regular basis is other thing.i see same problem with Dravid too.yesterday Dravid choose to pick R.P Singh in place of R.Powar and we all know how bad was R.P.and dravid never let Dhoni to go at no.2 position.and today younis never let his best bowler(umar gul) to bowl his 10 over quota.why you have to think abt containing and last 5 overs when you can finish your opponent's inning within 30 overs.both these guys are wonderful batsmen but to me they are poor captains.just look at Fleming,Lara , these guys have not so many star players,they have average players but they think big and they are spontaneous.they use their resources well and win. so to me Inzi should be back and india need to find a thinking captain

  • Sav on October 27, 2006, 20:13 GMT

    Dear Kamran, Once again you make some good points and sum up the general mood. I am really not sure how much Bob woolmer has managed to achieve with this teams batting - as far as I am concerned though we should stick with hafeez and replace farhat with salman butt and give both openers an extended run of 10 matches. We talk of sending bowlers to pace academies - why not send our batsmen to a batting equivalent? by the way - the eternal experiment has failed for good: Afridi is out of his depth - he can go ahead and play 20:20 cricket where his average of 20 will look good.

    One last word on Younis, his captaincy and batting will bounce back and I hope his Yorkshire contract helps this.

    Truly, you have to go through this quagmire to come out fo it at the other end!

  • Kashif on October 27, 2006, 20:11 GMT

    After todays abysmal performance...Change is needed now! (mostly Imran Khan's assessment on LOC): 1) Drop Woolmer now, pick Aaqib Javed or Mudassir 2) Drop PCB Head Doctor something or the other now. He is a politician, inept, (why was he blaming Inzi, and mentioning the prayer thing. get rid of him) Useless sychophant 3) Sami, Kaneria in the squad 4) Salman Butt and Yasir Hameed made as regular openers 5) Develop Attacking strategy instead of defensive 6) Vice Captain should be an Attacking bowler such as Shoaib Akhtar (hopefully back after the dope stuff) 7) Setup a think tank with the best of Pakistani cricket players of past and have them analyse each player and create a strategy for the World cup taking into account all possible scenarios

  • Rafique Banday on October 27, 2006, 20:09 GMT

    Just to add, as all of people on this debate know what went wrong rights from planning (or the lack of it) to execution. I am also of the opinion that it's high time people realize the importance of Inzy in the team. I know he may not be an elegant and shik person or a fluent communicator, there haven't been that many anyway, except for a handful good communicators..they can speak always in Urdu. But god sake they can play good cricket. I beleive Inzy is needed for good year as a captain and the PCB will have to use this year in resurrection of Pakistan cricket right from the management through the domestic. I am not suggestive of making players larger than the game but you have to use the valuable players to pass their knowledge and expertise to youngsters and make more good players at times much more effective than coaches... like we do in business....

    Rafique Banday Turkmenistan

  • Daniyal Khan on October 27, 2006, 20:08 GMT

    When our team wants to play badly, they are probably the champions of it. First of all,dropping catches at slip is a common thing for Imran Farhat and getting out to the same type of ball is becoming more common now. The great captain Younis Khan was even better - after hitting a boundary he skied the ball - something Afridi would do. Captain its a run chase not the last 5 overs of the innings. Kamran Akmal needs to realize he cant live his batting life in the crease,needs to come forward. Afridi has always been a dissapointment after the amount of confidence we have shown in him. Once in a season a good knock and that too a "maybe". Overall the tournament was a disaster for Pakistan and beating SriLanka was a pure fluke now we can easily state that and the team lacked bite or the killer instinct which was needed in both the games that we lost, we had the Kiwi top order the other day and we surely had the Proteas batting today but we still let them get on with it. I think the board neeeds to act really fast upon what needs to be done for the future, the players who are not performing should be ripped off their contracts so that they dont earn whilst they dont perform. Afridi and Farhat should be just stripped off their contracts till they dont perform. Something needs to be done, the board should just think abt the public which instills soo much faith in the team! By the way I hear Mohali's just a few hours from lahore, the team should be sent back home on rikshaws.

  • ayaz on October 27, 2006, 20:07 GMT

    The performance against South Africa is not a big surprise. None of the players' seem to have a sound technique. There is definitely more hype about Pakistan and Indian players than they are capable of. The prime example is that of Younus Khan. He is a good cheer leader but experts calling him one of the three best batsmen in pakistan, that just goes to show our standards. I bet he won't even be selected in other international teams. That said, the infrastructure in Pakistan is not good enough to produce world beaters. Unfortunately we have no other choice but to stick with our current team which is the best bunch Pakistan has got. Maybe a couple of changes could be made based not on the performance but the fighting spirit.

  • Karamat Ali on October 27, 2006, 20:07 GMT

    A agree with you kamran abbasi. The way pakistan played today it did not look like an internation team.. i mean when Shahid afridi came to bat and we had lost 5 wkts still that man is swinging. i mean what was he thinking.. if it connects its a six if i dosnt he is out. what kind of game plan is that. i think we play better cricket with planning that what pakistan played with today....

  • Ali on October 27, 2006, 20:06 GMT

    well well well how cann we proud on our team if they are not unite, other then that u saw the collaspe in there batting line up the in form batsman shows like they havent played for a while but u cant rely on them all the time we never get the aggrasive opening pairs since saeed anwar thats how the team get in pressure if they dont do any patnership to give ay stand for team razzak himself shows some usefull work in the opening match but u cant blame him cuz the team didnt show some unity or professional. I dont understand why they not giving a chance to yasir hameed or couple of more players who use to play with national team we never see them back and in that particular match we didnt see any fight from pakistan team win or lose is the part of game but that kind of loss was wosrse then the match we had fortified well i hope they will play some good cricket later on next month but we need them to work hard not only single player the whole team along with coach and i wish them best of luck for the big event for us and them also for world cup 2007. Inshallah.....

  • DR.M.A.MULLICK,Jeddah,Saudi Arabia on October 27, 2006, 20:06 GMT

    I am watching Pakistani cricket for the last 40 years quiet regularly.The best moment I remember was winning 1992 world cup, and while I was distributing sweets among my Iranian friends, I had to explain everyone, what is this amusing game? Depressing moments are too frequent, but none worse than loosing quarter final to India in Banglore in 1996. I believe that Pakistani cricket team with immense talent will keep on giving such shocks frequently unless their cricket authorities let them play on bouncing and seaming tracks regularly at their own soil. Everyone now talks about one day cricket is a game of batsman, but I must congratulate BCCI for preparing these tracks so that younger generation will be encouraged to develop bowlers. I strongly feel that it will be a CHAMATKAR(miracle), if the current Pakistani team finds playing semifinals of coming worldcup.

  • Jaydeep on October 27, 2006, 20:04 GMT

    I am very surprised about the spineless performance, it is not about the loss but the way you loose? The batsman did not have a clue of how to play on a track with juice in it and God alone knows how they intend to fare in the Worl Cup. I also would like to emphasise the fact that the so called Seniors have not been able to motivate the team and just by saying that it is a part of cricket is no excuse for this shameful loss.

  • Rizwan on October 27, 2006, 20:03 GMT

    i think that yasir arafat should become the batting coach with umar gul as number 2 at least they will add some back bone to the batting. Even bangladesh would have scored more runs also younis khan should have received batting coaching from bangladeh. afrdi is a loser he should have been sacked years ago he has no brains just a rush of blood.

  • Hamid Ali Raja on October 27, 2006, 20:03 GMT

    its all part of Pakistan cricket. they failed in world cup final against australia on 120 odd runs, today it was just a qualifying match for the semi's. Pakistan team always give cricket surprises and help individuals to make records:)

    for all Pakistani supporters, dont worry guys, and remember how we won 1992 world cup and gave shock to big Gurus of cricket. we shall come back by the grace of Allah the almighty.

  • John Beamish on October 27, 2006, 20:02 GMT

    I am a fan of Pakistan cricket, having watched many of your players in County cricket. First no point in being so down. These things happen. England have been awful at one-day cricket for a while now yet no one is advocating the dismantling of the ECB or the wholesale sacking of players. Pakistan should select the best eleven players that it can find and then provide them the support and encouragement they need. Why is Rao Ifthikar (sp..?) in the Pakistan side When there's that old (and seasoned) campaigner Shahid Nazir sitting on the side lines? Some players just had a poor tournament. Younis Khan is a player of the highest caliber and you wouldn't expect him to have so many off days. Kamal Akmal was the next Gilchrist but he seems to have gone off the track. Imran Farhat is, sadly, no good, and I suspect he's in the side because there's really no one else who's any better.

  • Ash on October 27, 2006, 20:02 GMT

    I must say i agree to all the valuable criticism provided by my friends here. I am equally frustrated and disappointed with our, so called "tigers" performance today. There is nothing that can be done now. Infact, there is a lesson to be learn for the future. - We seem to rely on Inzi and Shoaib alot, i personally believe every player in the team has to contribute. What if they both never existed? - Some of our players need to retire while there is still some grace and respect left for them. Topping them all is Afridi, after 200+ matches, empty head cant even stand 10 overs. He never learnt and he will never lean it. Board should have given chances to the young blood years back. - Lastly, i wish my team the best for the coming world cup, but looking at their irresponsible behaviour on the ground makes it very difficult for the wish to come true.

  • Osman Ali Khairi on October 27, 2006, 20:02 GMT

    Afridi in addition to not having a sound defensive technique, also lacks cricketing intelligence and common sense! I guess the guy's just intellectually challenged. As for Imran Farhat, what an idiot ! As Osman Samiuddin has appropriately pointed out in his article, "He perished today as he did against New Zealand and the only remarkable aspect was that he didn't offer a chance before he went, as he generally does". Why can't these people learn? I'm at a loss for words to elucidate the capitulation and the meek surrender of the team today. It's a sad sad night.

  • Nadeem Farooq on October 27, 2006, 20:00 GMT

    What happend today, was not new to those who follows Pakistan cricket.

    First, if we really want to improve and do some impact in the comming world cup, then selection committee should remove Imran Farhat and Afridi for good, because both of them have their strong suport in side the Board (every body know the names).

    Secondly, Find good wicket keeper who can bat in crisis like Moin and Rashid.

  • Dr.Ahsan on October 27, 2006, 20:00 GMT

    I feel sorry for Bob Woolmer.The guy seems to be trying his best but what could one do if the batsmen don't have the right technique to play on these pitches.Everytime I hear the word "REBUILDING" one after another disappointment.I guess when they use the word "REBUILDING" they get solace.People who follow cricket will know that this word was first used by Imarn Khan when he led the team for 1992 world cup in Australia.After their loss againt England',in a prelimanry round, I suppose 52 all out, Imarn took support of this spititual word and moved on.Imran rebuilded the team from the ruins of that match and won the world cup. After that many Captains came and left but one thingh stood common among them ,after every major loss,the phrase "our team is in the rebuilding process".I guess that was the best they offered to the nation.People got hope that thinghs will change for good after every tournament and in the meantime the latent rebuilding process never got blatant. Next century came and yet that rebuilding process continued.Its like any third world construction project that takes years to be completed.Our rebuilding is even worst, then the construction of a building, because there is no dead line.Someone should study this "rebuilding" closely, may be this is as mysterious as Bermuda Triangle. Lastly Younis Khan has personal right to be out when pitch and his comrades are not contributing.We don't need this dummy captain who depends on conducive envoirnment. Thank you Kamran for letting us deliver our thoughts.

  • Shahrukh Mirza on October 27, 2006, 20:00 GMT

    Well to be honest its really very easy to crticise n thats what we have been doing all along. these lads need our support. its moments like these when ur support helps lift the team. they have been under so much pressure with all that going during the past 2 months. n it was a bad pitch not suitable for batting at all. we all knew from the start of the tournament that without inzi n then loosing akhtar n asif on the even of first match it was never gonna be easy to win the trophy. n everyone was surpirsed when we beat SL so we should not complain. SL were termed as fav but they are out. WI were bundled out for 80. even the aussies lost. so its all part of the game. the lads tried their best. n in pressure situations things like these happen. so what if we could not make it to the semis. its not the end of the world or cricket. so plz support the team at this time instead of crticising n shouting at them. it was younis first tournament as captain n he made a few mistakes but he will learn from it. wat we need to do now is bring asif n akhtar back n regroup for the up coming series against WI at home.best of luck to the pakistani team. i am a great fan of pakistani team n will always be. if u some one is not happy with them he should start supporting some other team rather then criticsing them. no offence but when we win we say that the nations prayers were with the team but the moment we lose we start shouting. even aussies lost after scoring 434. so wat ???

  • Naser Nawaz on October 27, 2006, 19:58 GMT

    Kamran Saab, its quite simple, the players aren't happy with this captain, they won't perfom under him. Don't tell that Pakistan can't bat at bouncy tracks niether could South Africa they were 5 down for 42!!! What is the logic of bowling 3 spiners on a seaming deck? with 7 overs from Gul and Arafat to spare? Twice he has let the oppostion off the hook, thrice in the champions trophy he has made basic mistakes in simple field placements and choice of bowlers. Who says he is a good captain, who says he is a team player and not selfish? If he wasn't selfish would he have resigned from captaincy two day prior to the departure, in his selfishness for the high seat he didnt care about the how the team will suffer. With all this butt slapping he is nothing of a captain we all hoped he would be. Remember SA was 42 for 5, Pak team had them but Younis lost the initiative.

  • Rafique Banday on October 27, 2006, 19:57 GMT

    I agree with all the posts. God Knows how many liters of blood have been drained out of my body all my life worrying for a Good Pakistan performance..But ever since my days as a young boy watching a couple of batsmen play on fast bouncy tracks, nothing has changed, it's always been one or two batsmen per decade who have sustained testing times. But, what was realy disheartning and sad today was the will/the fighting spirit. I have played my local cricket much seriously than these people have lead their nation- It's a shame and disgust....

    Rafique Banday Turkmenistan

  • Naseem Ahmad Nazir Chattha on October 27, 2006, 19:57 GMT

    Well what can be said about pakistan cricket we have some of the best batsman & bowlers. But what do we have to show for all that. In all pakistan we have some of the brains in cricket or should i say politics. I think first the board needs to change that with out the goverment and then the captain take a look at new zealand stephen flemming. If sub continent pitches are for batsmen dead offering no asisstance then send these players abroad so they get used other pitches in the world and if batsmen are not performing then simple replace them,soon they will realise to keep playing for pakistan they have to perform. WHAT A SHAMBLES OF CRICKET IN PAKISTAN. Can not blame the coach as since him in charge every thing improved except the series agaist india and away at england. They are better uneducated players in the rural parts of pakistan than these so called INTERNATIONAL players for pakistan. They silly dead pitches and do well we lift them to great hights its about time they woke up from there sleep and realised that INTERNATIONAL players do not perform like that.

  • Mansoor on October 27, 2006, 19:56 GMT

    I am sorry to say that this was the most miserable and most shameful day of my life.

    I do not think I will follow Pakistan cricket any more.

    The following players might just make it as Zimbabwe first team players.. Imran Farhat, How can an opener have so many flaws in technique and he can't catch! Younis Khan as his tantrum about Captaincy showed, he is immature and should never be Captain or even be in the team, especially with his post match comment that 'It happens in Cricket'. I would say to him that this only happens to cricketing minnows, next out is Afridi, no fighting qualities at all, when was the last time he made 50? Kamran Akmal is another failure, he made so many basic mistakes in England and cost us the match against New Zealand by failing to run out Scot Styris.

  • rehan on October 27, 2006, 19:54 GMT

    Even for a diehard supporter like me, today's match was the depths of a bottomless (?) pit. Is there no redemption in sight for this sorry mess of people who call themselves a cricket team ? Yousuf and Hafeez got great deliveries, Shoaib was out to one of the most incredible catches I have ever seen, but the rest ..... it looked like they were committing collective suicide. I can find not one single reason for Imran Farhat to be in the team - unless we are actually setting out with the intent to lose. Has the man ever held on to a catch ? Can't bat, doesn't bowl, can't field.... must be someone's relative, I suppose. Boucher and Kemp played innings totally out of character - sedate, composed and responsible. I guess asking the Pakistan team to exhibit even one of these characteristics is a bit too much. And what did the captain think he was doing with the bowling attack ? Why did Umar Gul not get his full bowl when his only fault (?) was decimating the South African top order. All too easy to blame Woolmer who is probably the only faultless person in this whole sorry surrender.

  • Asad Anwar on October 27, 2006, 19:53 GMT

    Professional cricketers? I cant understand why the hell is our government spending so much money on these good for nothing suckers when all they are good at is to watch movies and enjoy themselves on international tours. Pathetic. Losing is one thing but to lose from the word go is what all this bunch can achieve.

  • Assad on October 27, 2006, 19:51 GMT

    Unfortunately Pakistan's poor domestic structure is proving an inadequate nesting ground for the much-vaunted talent of this country.Most of the players in this team have little or no courage at all and they bask in the glories of their exploits against mediocre bowling attacks on flat batting pitches.I feel it's time to kick out Imran Farhat and keep him in that 'never open closet' with Taufiq Umar.The moment the ball seams around a bit,the brainless,gutless top-order of Pakistan shows its true pathetic colours. Unfortunately history is repeating itself.Around 3 years ago,before the World Cup 2003 we lost in a similar manner to South Africa in Morrocco.Then we went to South Africa to play a bilateral series and got whipped in both the Test and ODI series.Then came that disastrous World Cup.With a toothless batting order and a pedestrian pace attack our chances look even more bleak in this world cup......

  • Niaz Khan on October 27, 2006, 19:50 GMT

    It was a disaster. You cannot put and trust with Pakistani batsman, specially in a big tournament. I don't why people like Younis Khan's captainship. He may good in the field but he does not when to change bowloer. For example game with New Zealand, he did not give single over to Hafiz and he bowled superbly with Srilankan in the first match. We could have lot of extra run. Again with South Africa, He gave one over then stop even though that over was maiden. He sould have recalled Gul earlier too. These sharp decision are very important in the field.

  • sat on October 27, 2006, 19:48 GMT

    sorry that Pakistan lost. but dont blame the batting only. i think the team did a great job getting SA 42 for 5 but couldnt finish them off. i think this is where they lost the game. good luck in the future. Inzi has to be back in the team asap.

  • Muhammad Aamir on October 27, 2006, 19:47 GMT

    Kamran is very true in saying that administration, management, and leadership is essential for Pakistan cricket team. The PCB has been investing alot to develop those cricketers but unfortunately they have lack of professinalism and skills too. Getting through in a professinal course of cricket coaching is not the surity that woolmer maybe best!!! woolmer had only played 6 ODIs and 17 Tests so first we need to eliminate a flop coach. The idea behind hiring of woolmer to de-politicize the cricket team but I think politics has been spread alot during his coaching period. The board should take a serious view of their performance and must take actions like the previous board took just after world cup 2003. The ICC Champions Trophy is the biggest event after the world cup so serious measures must be taken soon. Good Luck to PCB for the future!!!

  • Arnold Cook on October 27, 2006, 19:46 GMT

    I agree with some of you to a degree, but unpredictability of Pakistani team makes it most interesting to watch. However, if they want to beat Aus and SAf, they need to find atleast one spearhead bowler and lots of training on hard and bouncy pitches. They also need to inject fresh blood in the team by bringing in U19 fast bowlers who won them championship earlier this year. I am an Irish but I love Pakistani team. I think they can be world champs.

    Salaam

  • Khan on October 27, 2006, 19:46 GMT

    Pakistan just needs discipline. That's it, and then they will be fine.

  • Owais on October 27, 2006, 19:44 GMT

    Trigger happy responders the lot of you. When Afridi, Razzaq and Akmal hit belligerently, you guys will be the first in line to say ‘Arey wah wah’ (against Sri Lanka). And when they fail, you lot hack them mercilessly down to size. Observation is simple. South Africa’s immense batting lineup fared no better at 42 for 5. So why blame Pakistan batsmen for loosing. In case you lot forgot, in 2005, in Karachi, Pakistan was 32 for 5 against India before Kamran Akmal blasted and century and took the total past 200. It won’t happen every time. Akmal has been off color for a while. Fix the problem namely the openers and the tail end.

    Inzi bats at 6. After him, there is no one to arrest the slide. Akmal, Razzaq and Afridi are not 10-over players. They are pinch hitters that very rarely survive more than 5. Our opening pair in recent memory has not gone past 60. That leaves the big 3. With Inzi out, and Younis on a bad patch, you can’t expect Yousuf to save Pakistan’s skin every time like Inzi always tries.

    The team has great players but they are too many players on bad patch. Oh yes and about the pitch, I agree to start bloody making bouncy tracks for better preparedness.

    For all you arm-chair experts out there, I’d like to see any of you go out there and do better else zip it.

    For everyone else, support your team when it wins and support it more when it looses. West Indies capitulated at 80 against Lanka. And now they are heading for the semi’s. Bad days happen. Move on.

  • asif mushtaq on October 27, 2006, 19:44 GMT

    the problem as i see is that we keep players in the team who are not performing for long spells at the expense of other talented guys. Afridi is out of form for ages now and we still play him, why?

  • Nadeem on October 27, 2006, 19:41 GMT

    As I was favoring SA for this match, so it didn't harm me much how pathetic the display was from Pakistan batting line up ;) Seriously speaking, bounce is something pakistani batsmen have always found difficult to handle. I can't understand why can't we perpare full of life pitches for our domestic cricket.

  • cassim on October 27, 2006, 19:38 GMT

    Thanks for Kamran for explaining the crisis of the team in brief yet excellent manner. Two points must be drawn from this tournament regarding Pakistan. First, Pakitan's team is of no value without Inzi. Second, forget winning without the pace and accuracy of Shoaib and Asif respectively. Thats all!

  • Taufiq on October 27, 2006, 19:36 GMT

    I think Bangladesh or Zimbabve would have bat better than Pakistan even in these so-called bouncy and un-even pitch and playing condition. It is a shame that the highest scorer was tail-ender and the top and middle order were shut off in the first 15 overs. I do not know what it will take to bring the Pakistan team to play normal and consistant cricket like any other world class team.

  • Jay on October 27, 2006, 19:36 GMT

    I agree with the issue of Discipline and Class; the elements that have been missing in this team for a couple of years now. Shahid Afridi is a disppointment in every game. Give him the bat or the ball he is a waste of a player. I also agree that if a tail-ender arriving at number 9 is the highest scorer it obviously sheds light on some serious problems for Pakistan. Pakistan has a strong batting line up, allegedly, all the way down and upto Kamal so howcome every single one of them fails 90% of the time. This team always depends upon one person for the win: either a bowler or a batsmen. There are barely any instances where a win was a win that was brought by an effort all eleven men and not just one or two players. Further more, Pakistan has no chance of beating any good team without the assistance of Shoaib and/or Asif.

  • Masood on October 27, 2006, 19:36 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran, Pakistan left Champions Trophy with dishonour today. It might be blessing in disguise for Pakistan as to me it shows the realistic abbility of this team without Inzi. I hope this disgraceful defeat would trigger some soul searching & we may still be able to get the things right by world cup. All that hype of Younis's captaincy(under Inzamam during previous tests) has become crystal clear when the job was solely put on his pethatic shoulders. I am sorry to say that after Inzi Pak. have got a big job of finding his replacement as captain. Mr."dummy captain" I suppose does not deserve to be a captain of my Gali( street) lets alone NATIONAL side. He was clueless, pethatic, erratic & empty headed when the going got tough I have no doubt in my mind that he would damage team Pak big time if made captain. There would be a big question mark on his place in ODI(& had been in the past) lets alone him being a captain. It has shown again as has been in the past that we might still do ok without our main line bowler but without Inzi we are only left with 20%. After Inzi they may have to find a leader in likes of Shoaib, Yousaf of somebody else but not Younis.

    Masood USA

  • Tariq on October 27, 2006, 19:36 GMT

    Watching this game in a room full of indians, I was for once very quiet, embarrassed and dejected at this pathetic display. Yes the pitch helped bowlers, but the professional unit that south africa is coped and recovered initially while batting. Then came back and demolished the flat track bullies, exposing them for what they are. Bob Woolmer cannot walk away from his responsibility by criticising the batsmen. He is being paid top dollars to do a professional job which is anything but. I think it`s about time PCB questions his utility.

  • Jeewan Aryal on October 27, 2006, 19:35 GMT

    Common Woolmer, be offensive never be defensive. One day game is all about being offensive and destroying the opponents. You brought Shahid Afridi back to the game.You are responsible for his comeback in the cricket career. Utilize him as a hitter. Think about that you always send him in different order, never in one definite place, you are destroying his career doing this. Make a decision nad always send him as a opener, i am damn sure he will be good in that position. You always change his batting order which make him not able score in different situation. Make him play as he is known for that. He is a blaster. He led this team to a good total, and finally to the victory. And all knows about his bowling, he always picks wicket when the ream needs. you always send him as a opener a game , and if he didn't score good, you suddenly send him in 6th or 7th position. So this is what affects his mentality. He focused. Always send him as a opener. I know he will do good as a opener. If he does good in four games out of ten , it will work for pakistan, and there are other members in the team when he doesn't do good to handle the situation after his dismissal. We are not supposed to expect centuries from less than fifty balls in all games. This is that wierd thing that he is out of form. So, be sure that you and inzamam, think about it and send him as a opener in the coming series with westindies and the worldcup. He can win world cup for you.

  • ali on October 27, 2006, 19:35 GMT

    First,I must say that I am a fan of pak'n side from a long time back.I played cricket in my country.I rep'd my country shortly before leaving to the U.S where I presently reside.Had I continued on, I would have made it to W.I side. Looking at the way this pak'n team is going, there is no good in the future,especially for their fans.I think they rate themselves too high but cannot deliver.They need to get rid of a few players if they need to meet international level. Excuses cannot be made at the expenses of a few players. They need to identify what is their individual role in the team is. Until they eliminate certain individuals who only make up #s to meet 11 players they can meet international level. For now they need to trot with bangladesh,Zimbabwe and others. example; captain resign @inclusion of a certain good player, captain reinstate @ the player ommition, captain failed 4 consective matches:0,7,4,0,?????

  • harpreet bhinder ladi on October 27, 2006, 19:32 GMT

    great loss i am big fan of pak team but today what they did younis khan i don't like what the way he play so slow and other sahoib malik on no3 afridi should need asa opner and what about bowling captain have no sence how to use it specially hafeez o my god what about sahiob malik why they give so many over to afridi looser need a good cap. i thought sahiob malik should and i saw the bowling of anwer ali where is that

  • Shahnawaz khan on October 27, 2006, 19:32 GMT

    Must say that most of these guys are overpaid crickters and our media makes them big star for short span of game. If we keep proper track of these players, very few have consistent performance. Not long it was published by many writers about Younis captaincy, but today he proved himslef quite ordinary player. On juicy and dicy pitch, we had more spin bowling by non regular bowlers than fast bowlers. Gul & Yasser did not even finish their bowling. Our cricket system is complete reflection of our caos prevailing in our society.

  • Shaykh Al-Tayyab on October 27, 2006, 19:31 GMT

    Imran Farhat and Shahid Afridi were a total failure. Imran cannot be an opener and Shahid played only with "Tukkas". He was swinging his bat like an amateur and not like an international player. Both of these shall go now before the WI tour.

  • haseeb ullah waqar on October 27, 2006, 19:29 GMT

    i have thousands words to say........... but no proper word is comming in my mouth.... what to say....our team become... "summun,bukmun,um yun, fahum la yarjayoon"

  • Fayez Qamar on October 27, 2006, 19:28 GMT

    Do we seriously stand a chance without Inzi standing amongst the ranks...keeping these foolish stroke players rooted?? Do we seriously stand a chance without Shoaib's pace? Without Asifs swing and lateral movement? i mean, God is the only witness how i(along with the whole nation) felt when the South Africans were 42-5 and how they were when they managed 213 in the end! Its amazing as to howwww easily they stop fighting! Should have send Yasir Arafat as an opener, if they cant face seam!! And Afridi...y dont u send him IN AS AN OPENER!!!! remove that mockery of an opening batsman "Imran Farhat" u have a gud space for a middle order batsman or an extra bowler!!

  • Aslam Pervaiz on October 27, 2006, 19:25 GMT

    There has never been a team like Pakistan in which every player plays with his vested interests. Neither they are mentally groomed nor physically prepared to play big tournaments like ICC Champions Trophy. Pakistan batsmen are used to playing on flate track of their country, and when they play on turning pitches they find themselves in hot water. Younis Khan has no potential or ability to lead the side, in fact he does not even merit his own place in the team. He must thank former captain Imran Khan who got him vice Captain of Pakistan team.

  • sameer_canada on October 27, 2006, 19:23 GMT

    I call it a disgraceful match performance by Pakistan since the cup final of 1999. Given that you are never short of talents Pakistan are still long shot of being the dominant team in cricket. The reason I am raising this issue in particular is because most of you have talked about the game plan, execution, PCB board, scandal and players selection. However regardless who has taken in charge of PCB this will still be an issue. Pakistan needs a leader in terms of coach, mentor or captain like Imran Khan. This is so evident in 1992 World cup where Pakistan was almost out and managed to win their first ever. You need a person who can literally snap on players and can be hard on them on the pitch. They should have the authority to kick them out of a tour any time they violate the code of conduct. You have to inject discipline and develop mental toughness into the hearts of players in brutal way. If I were PCB I would not allow younis khan's gong show to continue before the tour. He proved a non factor anyway in this tournament. I am not complaining his captaincy ability I am sure he is still learning from his mistakes but he needs to control his emotions for the sake of the team. I am sure there is lot of teams with internal issues but they don’t just go out and express disgracefully like younis did. That’s not leadership, it is selfishness. And until Pakistan learns to play as a team and for the team, they will never achieve the highest echelon of the game of cricket. I can bet you if you have the heart and the team spirit you can win the World Cup 2007 with the current talent that is overflowing the Pakistan team. It is with great sadness to see wasting these talented players. I will love to see this talented bunch to be part of a World Cup winning team. Remember Waqar was a great player but such great player never could be part of the glorious World cup because he had no Imran Khan to guide him. And I am afraid that Pakistan’s World Cup drought will continue like this until you get somebody tough enough to step up and tell the players to shut up and just play for the team and love of the game.

  • Faiz Jaffri on October 27, 2006, 19:18 GMT

    I totally agree with Kamran. It is about time our cricketers play like a cricketer representing a country. I mean, come on, it is not something that you have not played on ever before. Granted the pitch was dicey, but thats cricket folks.. wake up and smell the coffee. They definitely need to re-group and form a strategy that will command some respect from their disappointed countrymen.

  • Nauman Hassan on October 27, 2006, 19:17 GMT

    I would like to highlight some points,

    1. A proper opening pair and one reserve must be selected before the West Indies series and the team must persist with them till the world cup atleast.

    2. Kamran Akmal must be backed instead shattering his confidence by criticism.

    3. Pakistan team needs to be more attacking.

    4. Some one needs to define Shahid Afridi's role!

    5. People like Asim Kamal having solid defensive technique needs to be inducted in the team.

  • Prasad on October 27, 2006, 19:12 GMT

    I would like to offer a not-so-incensed perspective (albeit Indian): Pakistan, and any other cricket team, needs its best 11 on the field. Antics like firing the board chairman to please Younis Khan will only send the message that Pakistan acts based on catering to reputations and personalities. So when your captain can get the board fired, the message to the players is,'younis khan decides whether I stay or go, not my performances.' why would performances count ? Integrity needs to start at the top.

    And religion seems to work for the pakistani team - it has made them more bonded, more grounded, and more humble. However, no amount of prayer can replace bad technique, or poor preparation.

  • Leo9ine on October 27, 2006, 19:12 GMT

    Hey fellas - it was one of those days, wasn't it! Just like England - but England seem to manage to do it pretty well EVERY match! I agree with many of the posted comments - the management are to blame for their choice of players and the batsmen crumbled - but how the hell can any player become adapted to the vastly different circumstances of another continent in just a few days? They should have been given more time to acclimatise and test the pitches - and although Pakistan isn't so far, geographically, from the Indian pitches, the same comment should apply to any team and management when a tour to a different environment is on the cards. But, on the other hand, how can a batsman suddenly get used to something that he wasn't brought up with? What chance is there of having – on your own soil - pitches and players from around the world to ‘practice’ with, for Test players of any country? Regrettable, none. You can provide and build all the artificial pitches and sophisticated bowling machines but they can’t replicate the real thing. It’s a bit like the environment of the world – adapt to the changing conditions or perish and many are perishing through being unable to adapt quickly enough.

  • Chris on October 27, 2006, 19:11 GMT

    I am a big fan of Pakistan Cricket Team & an immense believer in the talent they have. At present I am really disappointed & actually shocked with the performance in the ongoing ICC Champions Trophy. The way team performed even with so many recent controversies is really commendable but I think in terms of batting, it will be really useful if some tough decisions can be made.

    First thing first, I think first of all we need a change in Opening Slot (problem area for ages). By no means, we can afford to have Imran Farhat as the opener, I think someone like Yasir Hameed or Shahid Afridi is a far better option. We are anyways wasting Shahid Afridi's talent by sending him so late in the batting order.

    Also, Shoaib Malik, who has been the most consistent ODI Batsmen for quite some time should also be brought up in the batting order, at 1-drop. Followed by Mohd. Yousuf, Inzamam-Ul-Haque, Younis Khan, & others. Another tried & tested option for opening slot can be Kamran Akmal. Another good middle-order option can be Asim Kamal.

    In terms of bowling, I think we are badly missing the experience & variety that Saqlain Mushtaq has to offer. We should look forward to get him back into ODI team at least.

  • somjee on October 27, 2006, 19:11 GMT

    I won't be surprised to see bowling-friendly pitches in forth-coming world cup. India was also famous for flat pitches before champions trophy.

    Pakistan will have a tough time in the world cup.

  • Naeem Ahmed on October 27, 2006, 19:10 GMT

    That's beauty of this game! SA was 42 for five but still managed to win by 124 runs. Unfortunately we were at the wrong end of the beauty. The only positive: our bowlers did well without Akhtar and Asif.

  • fazal on October 27, 2006, 19:10 GMT

    Pak. batsmaen have to learn to keep there cool. They think that they can slog their way to victory everytime. Batsman like Affridi think- if they ever do that- is that Might is Right-just look at President Bush and Iraq. In cricket like in everything else it is always cooler heads that prevail. I sincerely hope that this humilation has caused them to learn a lesson

  • Ghias Azam on October 27, 2006, 19:09 GMT

    The performance today deserves the criticism. But let us be honest, after the month Pakistan cricket has had, losing it's best bowlers, it's captain and the Oval fiasco did anyone really expect it to be amongst the top four teams in the world, ie a semi-final place? I think not. Now is not time for wholesale changes, let the boys have a rest, put all the non-cricketing distractions behind them and bring on the West Indies. The time for change, if need be, would be after the world cup.

  • S. Zaffar on October 27, 2006, 19:08 GMT

    Am I crazy or is the whole world gone mad! Despicable is a kind word for today's performance.I bet a million dollar that this will continue to happen as long as you have upstarts like Younis Khan leading the team!! He is no good as a "class" player as I can not recall ONCE him giving a match-saving performance aginst a class team like Austaralia.This also goes for Imran Farhat, Salman Butt and Shahid Afridi. Only decent & disciplned players should be given a chance to nurture for the future team-like Asim Kamal and Hasan Raza-someone who have played memorable innings during their mismanaged career.

  • hems on October 27, 2006, 19:07 GMT

    lucky inzi - that he didn't need to bat on these wickets.... otherwise he too wud have got bitter taste, like his performance (?) on Aussi wickets :p

  • Christopher on October 27, 2006, 19:07 GMT

    Quite ironic that, having summarised how South Africa comprehensively dismantled the much vaunted "mercurial" Pakistan team, the conclusion is that Pakistan mustn't become "sterile - the South Africa of the Sub-continent". What is it with this myth of South African sterility (they've elsewhere been described as "dour and workmanlike"). Is it that only Australians, Indians and Pakistanis are permitted to have flair? If Gibbs played for Pakistan, he'd never be described as "sterile"? Pollock and Kallis are the only two cricketers who made the recent Cricinfo one day current and all time teams on the basis of their performances. Sterile?? Was Jonty Rhodes, in his day, the most dour and workmanlike fielder of them all? It seems to me that if Shahid Afridi was South African, he too would have to be described as dour and workmanlike. C'mon - let's give a little thought before trotting out these sterile stereotypes!

  • dr.s.hyder on October 27, 2006, 19:07 GMT

    Ifyou play a ball widest of wide balls (Imran Farhat) or try to pull a snorter only to give a simple catch in covers (Younis Khan) it cannot be simply bad shot selection.It is purely a lack of responsibility,arrogance and unwillingness to learn.They are paid heavily to represent Pakistan and live a hi fi life to give their best but most of them don't deserve it.There should be a system to monitor their perfomance and replace them to give chance to players who don't have backing of king makers in our society.

  • ram on October 27, 2006, 19:05 GMT

    My comments are on Pakistan's batting order. Where in the hell does one get the idea to make Shahid Afridi to bat at no.4 or 5 or even 6? His best position is to open the innings. No one expects Afridi to make a century in any match. What is expected of him to make a quick blast. And for that the opening position is the best when the fielders are inside. In that position, if he clicks, say 5 out of 10 times, Pakistan will win the game. On the other hand, if he falls early, that will make other batsmen to be more prepared. In any way, Afridi is a waste anywhere down the order. Also the current openers are doing nothing substantial anyway.

  • V on October 27, 2006, 19:05 GMT

    Don't be quick to blame the Pakistani batsmen. You want to see real bunnies? Wait till the Indian batsmen square off against Lee and McGrath on the same pitch Sunday. The carnage will reach 'Kill Bill' proportions...

  • Ice on October 27, 2006, 19:05 GMT

    Not surpising from Pakistan. They struggle on any resemblance to bounce or movement. Technical flaws were at their best today.

    Hafeez, Imran Farhat (I never liked him as a player), Malik, Afridi, Akmal ar all players with serious technical flaws :

    1) playing from the body - all of them 2) poor balance when executing the shot specially Farhat. 3) being late on the shot - e.g. Malik always uncomfortable against pacers 4) Just plain bad - Afridi 5) being caught neither front or back - playing with a half press forward - usually a sign they misjudge the length or just dont know how to play anything above "hip" height. 6) None of them seem to work on their weaknesses. e.g Farhat has the same flaws as he did 2 years ago.

    I think they do practice against short bowling but they dont know how to play a "normal high bounce delivery" - one that pitches just a like any delivery in the sub continent but tends to bounce more. They are just caught in no mans land when the ball bounces more then hip height.

    Generally - and I think pak players are unaware of this that they are being labelled as guys who dont like short balls - we all know where they end up ..... usually in oblivion.

  • Saber on October 27, 2006, 19:03 GMT

    Its an hard lesson to learn for all the pakistani players. Allah didnt like the pround in captain younas khan , and he desreved to be punished after letting the whole country down just before the tournament. His position in the team looks unstable to me, and he should be given a long rest. I have never heard from any one who likes him as one day player except our oldies cricketer, i never understnd what do they see in him and support him from all around.

  • Noor on October 27, 2006, 19:03 GMT

    Ohh What a display of ill unspeakable batting performance.It was Afridi who said that he is gonna play sensibly for thr team in the absence of Inzi,is that sensible batting MY GOD ,I have no words for this kind of performance.What are they thinking that Inzi & M Yousuf will be in theteam for life .Face the facts plz they are going to retire soon. Come down from the high horese you all are riding of so called fame.Keep low profile like A Razzaq you never see this guy showing off. What does Mr coach says now few fancy words to get off the hook.With world class players in the team I can coach also but the beauty is to coach & drill proper mental toughness.They were falling like deck of cards.Well Nasim Ashraf has to be blamed for this performance that he sent a team with metally stressed. Very dissapointment .Shame on all of you.

  • Burhan Naseem on October 27, 2006, 19:03 GMT

    It was neither the batsmen nor the bowlers that cost us the match, it was plainly some stupid captaincy that did it.Which team bowls their spinners on a seaming track for so long and why pick 3 spinners in the team and leave out Rana on a wicket where the ball did all the talking .Personally , i think anything above 130 could not have been chased and that is why Younis should have attacked with his seamers and should have gone for the kill. A wicket at 42 for 5 would have meant the end of the innings but who will tell that to the captain.Moreover, i think imran farhat doesnt deserve to play , even if he scores runs they are always very streaky and therefore salman butt is a better option .This is a humiliating defeat and i hope the team wakes up from their sleep

  • Itsham Iqbal on October 27, 2006, 19:03 GMT

    Pakistan simply can not handle a pitch with a bit of juice. They are not used to these typef surfaces. Hence they cannot adapt to bowler friendly tracks. We had them 42/5, The SA should have only got 120- 150 MAX. However they put the ball in the right spot and the rest is history!. This is pakistani cricket as far as I can remember, and I think it is going to continue, it's in built. They are awesome one minute and complete utter rubbish the next. Inzi was missed greatly. He is a rock in the pakistani team and the sooner he gets back, the better. We have only really three world class batsman, and the rest are tape ball players. But kamran it is only a game of cricket and we should not worry too much about this.!!! It does not help with the board ringing changes, and the chairman talking about players religous activities. The chairman should be slapped about this comment he made!! Captncy issue's and the drug episode.!! I am sure everybody is going to be singing pakistan' s praises when we whip the WI.

  • vijay on October 27, 2006, 19:03 GMT

    no doubt Inzamam would have been missed. This does not take away the ineptness of Pakistan's batting line-up and some really woeful series for Younis Khan. Younis is tipped to follow Inzi. Only wonder what would happen once Inzi retires and Younis takes on the reins.

    I am a very keen follower of Pakistan cricket even though being on the other side of the border. Hope this is just a passing phase for Pakisatani cricket. I still believe they are THE best side among sub-continental teams to beat Australia or South Africa in their respective countries.

  • Fayez on October 27, 2006, 19:02 GMT

    Looks like all the asian teams have the same problem. No one can bat on even slightly juicy wickets. Everyone is getting used to batting on dead one-day wickets.

  • Qaism Chema on October 27, 2006, 19:01 GMT

    I think, pakistan has world class players , they have talent and consistancy too, providing if there is no politics involved in the game. Younis khan should not be given the leader ship, players always look up to their leader. In this tournament how many runs Younis khan has score he doesnot average even 5 runs a game. He is a test batsman should not be included in the one day squad and instead of him vice-captain should be Mohammad Yousaf.

    The only thing pakistan lacked in Champions trophy was their Captain Inzamam-ul-Haq and a good bowling attack.

  • rizwan - uk on October 27, 2006, 19:01 GMT

    what happened today is another example of why we (pakistan) are never going to be able to boast being the best team in the world, rather than in the top 3. why? because our batting is spineless, prime example Perth 2004/05. this is not inzamam's fault, not the coach's fault but the lack of a clue in the PCB. Why on earth was Faisal Iqbal brought into the squad if he was not going to play? Was it to cause some more unneccessary hassle or off field situations which has become the team's forte. Surely a more sensible choice would have been Shahid Yousuf, a promising batsmen and sure fire long term replacement for inzamam. secondly, why are pakistan always arranging matches with India that turn into who can score more hundreds in a series rather than an actual contest, which is also relating back to the placid, lifeless pitches prepared in Pakistan. Take the recent England series in Pakistan. A perfect opportunity to test their ability against difficult pitches. Why? They were on a good run and confidence was high and this may have been transformed onto the pitch, and against a good bowling attack in england. but this was not the case as they decided in a run fest which they won but they return series would have been the real contest. to beat england in england would have been great for their claim to be the best. where from here? well, it is difficult to say as a series against West Indies in Pakistan will be another run fest for the likes of Younis Khan and Mohammed Yousuf. no suprise there.

  • Zubair on October 27, 2006, 19:01 GMT

    Pak Cricket fans, the whole nation itself, is stunned today with the dismal batting performance from the "sifarashee" squad. If one was to anaylze he should start from the opening. When openers fall early the rest of the batsmen needlessly gets so much pressure as if the match has already ended in a loss for pakistan. We can divert the attention from the openers by looking at the pak fielding time when the "intelligent" captain who refused to be a dummy captain once spread the field out....what was he thinking? I think PCB (Naseem Asharf) and the selection committee should be sacked for making a team of these type of batsmen. Yes the time has come for afridi to sit down since he has not produced in 25 ODI. His bowling is also not up to the standards that one would vote for his place in the team.

  • shams on October 27, 2006, 18:59 GMT

    bunch of loosers who are clearly incapable of playing at international level.

  • Yazi on October 27, 2006, 18:57 GMT

    Kamran said is well, to bring few more things to attention: 1. Pak will require a solid opening pair stand which can see off 10-15 overs, its very curcial in World Cup that your opener provide you with good start, it does not always have to be 6 runs an over or so keep wicket and you can score at mommoth rate in later half. 2. Afridi's batting needs to be address, he's not going to get 100 of 30 balls in every match (which he tries) with 200 matches in belt he needs to deliver what the match situation asks. 3. Should have used a specialist batsman in place of Inzi's absent, Carrying Faisal Iqbal and not using him was waste, one or two youngster should always be tried and groomed Yasir Arafat did fairly well with bat!

  • Srivatsan on October 27, 2006, 18:56 GMT

    I think not only Pakistan would have failed today but all sub-continent players, except Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag (pre-'04) and Saeed Anwar. I think its because our cricket fraternity thinks for "batting paradise". Like Afridi, Sanath hitting all over the park. It makes great hitting spectacle but cricket itself becomes secondary. I think we all need pitches of all kinds, pace, seam, spin, dust bowl, batting paradises. I think that would bring some resemblance.

    I am happy that as a bowler I see this game as hitting hard on so-called "great batsman". Non sensical sub-continents...

    Srivats

  • Umer on October 27, 2006, 18:55 GMT

    I agree with you Kamran. Through out the champions trophy we were only playing with 6 players i.e. Muhammad Yousaf, Shoib Malik, Umer Gul, Razzaq and Muhammad Hafeez. How can you win a tournament when half of your team is not performing? Our so called WANNA BE A POWERFUL CAPTAIN looked confused all the time, after losing to New Zealand when asked by Rameez "this defeat must have hurt your confidence?" Younis replied "O no we are not here to win we are here just to play good cricket"...hello we are Pakistani fans and we want you to at least have a desire to win. Today at toss he was not sure what would he have done if he had won the toss, confused captain. During press conference he said that he doesn't do a lot of planning and study instead he prefers to go in ground and play according to the situation, I guess its better if we can go into the ground with some match plan rather than just going in and leaving ourselves in the hands of SITUATION and OPPOSITION. He was so confused through out the tournament and most of the time he had no clue which bowler to use and when to use. There is no way he could justify using Umer Gul for only 8 overs when he was bowling so superbly, not to mention the use of Muhammad Hafeez. It's quite clear that Younis Khan does not have the capability to be a good captain, he embarrassed Pakistan before the tournament by announcing his resignation and then during the tournament by his unplanned and puzzled captainship (not to mention his failed batting). We need Inzi back and Muhammad Yousuf should be appointed his deputy.

  • Shahid on October 27, 2006, 18:53 GMT

    First of all, lets take no credit away from South Africa. They were brilliant. It was amazing to see the passion of a number 8 batsman (Andre Nel) when he was batting. For Pakistan, they have to figure out where the problem lies. Its not just about bouncy wickets or seaming wickets its more about working on your game individually, doing the homework on the opposition and reading about your own game, and observing it. Our players dont do that. Players like Lara and Tendulkar still work on their backlifts and their balance although they are already exemplary. Unfortunately this thing is missing in our camp. You might hire number of coaches and have all the technology in the world but once the passion is gone out of your body and that special feeling of representing your contry is gone you cannot be a great player. Once our players get into the playing 11 they think JOB DONE, they stop working on their individual techniques. They just fall prey to the fame and charisma of cricket and thats where the downfall starts. Frailities in techniques of our players have been exposed on number of times but they refuse to think about those critically and refuse to work on getting them eliminated. The only player who looks serious about his game is Shoaib Malik. Wearing your green uniform should be enough to spur them on but it seems like we have spared the rod and the kids are spoiled.

  • Jamil on October 27, 2006, 18:52 GMT

    Humiliating, our batsmen were actually scared of pace and afraid to come to the front foot as Ntini was firing Missiles at them. By the way coach is suppose to help improve technique not just play with laptop and at the end curse your own team.I dont understand why they dont include Yasir Hameed(Imran Khan said repeatedly) as an opener as his technique is far better than our current openers.May be he his suffering from his remarks against Bob Woolmer.I think its time to forget our personal grudges and build a team which can actually play cricket.

  • Asif Siddiqi on October 27, 2006, 18:44 GMT

    One thing for sure that, this tournament has exposed younis khan he is neither a good ODI batsman nor a good leader.We have seen his batting form and we have seen his leadership, Umar gul did not complete his 10 overs, Yasir Arafat,his first spell was very expensive, 31 runs in four overs. I think he should not have bowled more than two overs, On the other hand Hafeez first over was maiden why was he given only one over??. I think younis khan should have kept the pressure on Boucher and Kemp, and kept Umar Gul from one end and Hafeez from the other.We let the pressure off by persisting with Yasir Arafat, bad captaincy.Every one is talking about weakness of Pakistan bowling beacuse of Shoaib Akhtar and Asif absence, but actually it is our batters that are the cause of concern and letting us down. Our bowlers are doing good job I think time has come that Afridi and younis Khan both should be kicked out from one day matches.Selectors and PCB board should realise that a person whose one ODI average is less then 32 should not even be in team let alone captaining the side. In my view Imzamam should be the ODI captain till the world cup.We lost this match because of our poor batting and poor leadership

  • Sajjad Parekh on October 27, 2006, 18:43 GMT

    Younis Khan failed in all aspects ... He failed to lead from the front His field placings left much to desire His decision to send Afridi at no. 5 after the loss of three early wickets (in the first two matches) His mind boggling decision not to bowl Hafeez against New Zeland after hafeez had reined in Srilankan batsmen in the first game and in the final match removing Hafeez after only one over, and a maiden at that His failure at changing the bowling at the right time His failure to motivate the team, we looked spineless against South Africa

    This just confirms what we all know ... we need Inzi, both as a batsman and as a captain. We need him terribly.

  • Dr. Adnan Leghari on October 27, 2006, 18:43 GMT

    i have always been a hardcore paki cricket fan. i've defended our cricketers to my frnds when they criticize them and call them cheats and accuse them of bribery. but today for the first time i am not just depressed but i have been humiliated. i'm hurt and .... just humiliated. Afridi doesnt belong in the team, he hasnt taken wickets and besides he is a batsman y have we forgotten that??? he doesnt score, he's out. its simple.imran farhat got out twice playing same shot. hes out too.he cant catch,his highest score wud be 30 sumthing that too with atleast 1 dropped chance in it. he also dont belong there. and i have to very painstakingly admit that we still need Inzi in there!!!

  • Jeremy Nirmal on October 27, 2006, 18:37 GMT

    When Pakistan beat Sri Lanka so emphatically and coming from behind, it seemed like they found a new confidence. The batting display against South Africa was shockingly terrible. Ntini is definitely one of the top fast bowlers in the world but Pakistan were indeed terrible. They have no excuses for playing rushed shots. With a low score like this to chase pakistan could have taken their time to get their eye in. One would expect at least Yousuf and Younis Khan to have played sensibly but it seems like they were very impatient and in judging the balls coming at them they fogot the basic techniques. This match also proved as you said their clear dependence on Inzamam. The score which South Africa put up should have been much lower had Younis Khan placed a more attacking field after the powerplays were done. This once again showed that Younis Khan was not experienced enough to captain his side. What Pakistan need now is tp perform well against the West Indies and hope that they can get it together before the world cup.

  • Naveed Akhtar on October 27, 2006, 18:36 GMT

    Spot on Mr Abbasi. Pakistan were spineless today. No fight. What must Imran Khan or Javed Miandad be thinking? Is this the same Pakistan team they use to play for ?

  • Adil Hamid on October 27, 2006, 18:36 GMT

    I do Criticize Younus Khan Captaincy, I dont know what Imran Khan saw in him.(I think the only thing he saw is that he claps for his partner after the quick single) but in these 3 matches we saw lots of captaincy mistakes and the way he wanted himself to be a powerful captain before the departure of the Team I didn’t see anything in him. He can’t able to play a single inning of captaincy and the way he played in the last match, after the dismissal of M.Yousuf he knew that on that time that he is the only Experience batsman left in the side and the seam of the ball will get softer after the period of time but played such an awkward shot I think I never saw Inzamam as a captain played a shot like that. And its not just the batting he did lots of wrong decision in bowling as well. I think Pakistan Cricket team officials should revise their decision about the future captaincy in one day Cricket.

  • S ghai on October 27, 2006, 18:35 GMT

    yikes .. thats harsh mate ...!! You should have waited a day .

  • Mustafa Rizvi on October 27, 2006, 18:35 GMT

    I don't understand why Faisal Iqbal was not selected for the crucial encounter against South Africa. On a pitch like that we needed a solid middle order bastmen who can hold the innings together. My question from the captain is that why didn't he go with Faisal Iqbal for this match ? What was the reason ? And why there are so many allrounders in the team ? Faisal Iqbal should have been included in the team since the game1. We need to work really hard ahead of series against the WestIndies.

  • arif on October 27, 2006, 18:35 GMT

    pakistani team needs to learn how to stay on weeket becouse they were just in sucha hurry to go home thats what it seemd liked it but now there is nothin we can do now they better get shoaib and asif back in the team otherways we arnt gona win a single game in world cup

  • ibb on October 27, 2006, 18:32 GMT

    very true, i cen percent agree with you

  • anas on October 27, 2006, 18:31 GMT

    What I feel is the Younis Khan is to be blames more than anyone else for his poor batting display throughout the series. Inzi has been criticised pf being lazy in the field, but hopping all the time doesnt make Younis any good. And even in times of trouble Younis has been seen smiling and laughing (on a winning note that would have counted as confidence, but here it shows non-serious attitude). Apart from these, Younis doesnt seem to know much about the bowling options and how to juggle the bowlers, when to use whom. In times of pressure his batting has been worst which goes to show the extent of pressure he can or cannot take. I also lay the blame heavily on selectors for carrying the burden in the form of Shahid Afridi who has become a stone in the path of some better talent. And Imran Farhat seems to be a real bad learner! Some positives, just one for me: Hafeez has nicely cemented his place as a genuine all-round utility player. Hope to see Inzi back soon!

  • ibtsam butt on October 27, 2006, 18:31 GMT

    I am just shocked to say the least with what i say today. it was just totally unexplicable. i never expected Pakistan to bow down without fighting. i was just wordless to see Pakistan bating today. i dont know why we keep on playing imran farhat? he got out the same way today as he did against new zealand. being a captain gives more responsibility, but look at the shot younis khan played today. he is no good too, look at the shot afridi played? if he wants to be a match winner he should play according to the match situation not according to his reputation. Look at the way gilchrist batted against west indies and dhoni batted against west indies. both played uncharacteristic inings but played for the team not for the reputation. they are matchwineers not afridi. i dont know why bob woolmer cannot cure our batsmen problems against bouncy wickets? i m clueless

  • Mian on October 27, 2006, 18:30 GMT

    Absolutely inept performance -- Lacked fight or any application. Did they have a plan before going out to bat for their half of the match.

    Looked like a ruderless ship sinking in choppy seas. I do not mind them losing but not like this.

    They should have tried to play out the first 10 or so overs to see off Nitini and Pollock's first spells ?? Obviously they did'nt even try? They were wishing that that the pitch would have completely changed once Pakistan statred to bat?

    Didn't understand a word the current Captain had to say at the toss or after the loss!

    I think he is not capable or understanding let alone learning from what has hit them today!

    I think scars from today's performancr will last for a long time and has set Pak cricket back for some years!

    Can't wait to get Inzi back at the helm for now , they should give the next Skipper some language training before letting them go infront of World audiences?

    Shamefull performance on all fronts batting and communication (lack of).

  • rafiq rupani on October 27, 2006, 18:25 GMT

    I am fully agree with you that pakistan need a solid leadership in management pakistan cricket board changes management so quick sometime it seems like they are for sale. first and foremost thing they need to pay attention is mental stability, we have seen in past that pakistani batsman have good technique but lake of stability, the only man who have courage and stability is Imran Khan.

    we need to teach those boys that how to stay on wicket and put pressure on opponent. As usual we will blame the surface of wicket and present ourselves as a victim of circumstances so my advice is that either win os loss, boys need to show the fighting spirit and mental stability.

  • Dhillon on October 27, 2006, 18:25 GMT

    I think you are very right about Inzy and akhtar, they are the back bone for a pakistani team. but I think we can not blame anybody since none of team players consistant in this tournament. Still question some players stand in the same pitch like last bowlers made more runs than top order batsman. Still its unacceptable for cricket fans like this. Player should ban from expensive money making ads so they can aim more towards game than money Thanks Dhillon

  • Nabeel Mallick on October 27, 2006, 18:25 GMT

    Yes, I do agree with Mr. Kamran that as an International players Pakistani batsman do not have the technique to hold out. I would also like to mention here about opening pairs problem for Pakistan. Pakistan should not test their middle order batsman in number 1 or 2 position instead they should give chance to a batsman who has solid defense as an opener. Becuase we have hard hitter batsman at number 5, 6 ,7 so what Pakistan Team need is good start.

  • sager on October 27, 2006, 18:25 GMT

    Pakistani team should be flogged on a PUBLIC ROUNABOUT (CHOWK) after Friday prayers for their performance today.

  • Jawad Jamil on October 27, 2006, 18:23 GMT

    Not a single word of the above article can be argued upon. However, i would like to add that Inzi has come of age, and with his retirement not to far away, we have to overcome our dependency on him. Secondly, I do not understand why Shahid Nazir, who performed well recently wasnt picked. I think the tournament will be a lesson for the 'Dummy' Captain, and for management, with Naseem Ashraf(i would like to drop the doctor) at the helm of affair and his unthoughtful comments flyin left right and center in press... Pakistan doesnt have any hope for the world cup.

  • akhtar on October 27, 2006, 18:21 GMT

    Remove imran farhat, afridi and razzaq and play players who deserve games. maybe we would get somewhere, Younis should not take everything lightly for example his post match talk, he acted as if it were ok to lose in that manner "it happens in cricket", what a disgrace for me he is yet to prove himself at the top level. Please remove imran farhat.

  • DR PATRICK EGBE on October 27, 2006, 18:19 GMT

    I AGREE WITH YOU. HOWEVER I THINK THE PCB DID NOT TRY YOUR WONDERFUL PLAYERS FROM THE UNDER 19 TEAM. COMPETITION FOR PLACES IN THE FINAL 11 WILL BE GOOD FOR THE TEAM.

  • alex on October 27, 2006, 18:18 GMT

    A complete shambles. From a match winning position we see the team yet again give it away. Although Younis Khan shows more energy than Inzy, today he lacked the killer instinct. South Africa should have been finished off quickly. The batting......well enough said. Completely clueless against bowlers who weren't the quickest but who made good use of the pitch and exposed the Pakistani weakness against bounce. Some serious thinking required before the Windies.

  • Tahir Hashmi on October 27, 2006, 18:18 GMT

    The day pakistan cricketers will realize that cricket for them is not just the game, its profession than they might be more consistent. If you pay a professional lawyer a good amount of money, who is a graduate from a well reputed college, under well reputed professers. His skill and knowledge will come into play at his best.In every case he will going to handle. He is a professional and thats his job, to perform at his best everytime.Otherwise he will not last long in his profession. The reason Australian cricketers hasnt looked back since Steve Waugh 120 against SA, in WC 1999, is because they treat theirselves as professionals. The sense of responsibility and pride makes the difference. Australian cricketers ability is not their strength, even the WI team is very skilled. Australian cricket strength is their mental toughness and their ruthless attitude, the temperment which repeatedly say " never say die". Pakistan team has many individuals who throw their wickets once they realise they will be a part of the next game, when they have done enough to save their name from being left out in the next match. This mentality will not lead them anywhere too far, they might happen to be in quater or semi finals if the two pace man and inzi comes back, but to acheive the magnificent, they have to be magnificent all the time. They just need to be professionals.

  • hamid on October 27, 2006, 18:17 GMT

    today was a sad day for pak cricket. the battin order's footwork and shot selection in particular was a sight for very soar eyes. younis khan as captain of pakistan played a seriously poor shot. we need inzi back in the team.

  • Nico Zandberg on October 27, 2006, 18:16 GMT

    "Nobody wants Pakistan cricket to become sterile, the South Africa of South Asia. "

    What do you mean by that? South Africa is a great team and not sterile at all. I think that comment was unfounded...

  • Neelo Yunus on October 27, 2006, 18:15 GMT

    This series certainly removes the doubts about captaincy. Captaincy is much more than cheering and clapping. Sharp mind of a chess playing is required and Inzi was not all that bad.

  • Mudassar on October 27, 2006, 18:14 GMT

    Pakistan Cricket Team needs a coach like Imran Khan with full powers to get the results out of each player. The time for lame excuses is long over and each player should realize that its not only a matter of their individual career, it's a matter of our Country's respect and each Pakistanis' self respect.

    Pakistan Cricket Board and especially President of Pakistan Mr. Pervez Musharraf should hire Imran's services at any cost to reestablish our beloved Country Pakistan's morality in the world of cricket.

    Even if President of Pakistan has to offer a blank cheque to him, it must be done.

    Otherwise; Everybody knows the end results.

  • Simon on October 27, 2006, 18:14 GMT

    Mr Abbasi

    While your dedication to Pakistan's cricket side is commendable, and your bitter disappointment in their huge loss today understandable, would a gracious word in defeat not at least allow you to hold your head high?

    Yes Pakistan were playing on a bouncy wicket but then both sides batted on the same strip but one managed to handle the conditions better than the other. There is no shame in losing to a side whose opening bowler produces a masterclass in fast bowling of the like which we witnessed today. Makaya Ntini's opening spell today was everything that a fast bowler should strive for; he bowled with passion, aggression, control and a laudable single-minded determination to blast his opponents out.

    Your sly dig at South Africa being a "sterile" team is so misdirected as to be laughable. Here is a side who chased over 400 to win against Australia recently and repeated the 400 run trick again a few months later. This same side took the challenge to Sri Lanka in their previous pool game and played with a flair and passion that was exhilarating to watch. Players of the calibre of Smith, de Villers, Gibbs, Kemp, Boucher and Kallis make them one of the most dazzling teams around, packed with electric stroke makers and players who can turn a game in a matter of overs. Nobody from Islamabad to Ibiza would have described South Africa's effort in the field as "sterile" today, it far transcended even "impressive" it was, for wont of a better word; exhilarating and for that they must be heartily congratulated.

    Yours Sincerly

    Simon

  • Shahid Malik on October 27, 2006, 18:14 GMT

    I think Mr. Kamran Abbasi concluded it in the right words, Pakistani Players should learn hot to fight like their lives depend on it, they belong to a poor country and considering the fact that the amount of money they get paid for playing, i think such a performance is not at all acceptable. It's hurting :(

  • Shakeel Ahmad on October 27, 2006, 18:13 GMT

    The way Pakistan went down in the champions Trophy shows that they as ordinary as a street team. I think on this day Afridi should have been sent in as Opener to unsettle the South African Bowlers, which surely would have been a gamble and could have been proved to be counter productive. I agree with your comments and add that Younis not only failed as leader but also as a reliable number three batsman. Salman Bhat and Yaseer Hamid should be encouraged and despite some failures Pakistan should persist with fixed opening pair and coach should be asked to remove their inadquecies in technique for scuh type of pitches. Surely Inzamam was missed. In New Zealand match one umpiring decision turned the game on its head.

  • Sundhar Ram Srinivasan on October 27, 2006, 18:12 GMT

    India defeating Australia is a pipedream. Virtually, all the sub-continent teams are out of the tournament. I was hoping Pakistan would qualify.

    I completely agree with Kamran Abbasi. Asif has to return. I, for one, firmly believe he is the most promising fast bowler. I heard/read somewhere no Indian batsman could read him. He cuts the ball both ways without any perceptible change in his wrist action.

    I personally like the kind of pitches. A 220 match with a close finish is much better than the 320 matches. There is an even contest between the ball and the bat. So Pakistan, please dont blame the pitch!

  • Rashid Zman on October 27, 2006, 18:11 GMT

    Hi to everyone & i have to say i agree with Kamran a really poor (or is that an understatement?) showing and no excuses should be on offer(i.e the Pitch) Inzamam is as i have always known the binding force and this role needs to be filled once he leaves by Mohammed Yousef ( i personally think Yousef should be captaining) Imran farhat is a waste of time he has had many opportunities and i think Pakistan should have pursued with Suleyman Butt.Afridi the mind boggles? what does he think?(play according to the situation man!learn a little patience and then explode for Gods sake!) top scorer was Yasir arafat(who) and yes we need either Shoaib/Asif or Shabbir back. No complaints about Yousef/Malik/Hafeez/Razzak though. I could carry on but wont and i want to shed some tears now!!!!

  • bhowani p. harbans on October 27, 2006, 18:10 GMT

    yo kamran: fine, objective piece on the abject play from pakistani's cricketers. i like it. even more so, i'd like you and osman to bring your insight and critiques to the bcci and its "kriketers". i'd dearly love to hear what you guys feel about the bcci (remember, not the indian board). of course, i have my own feelings for the failings in india. but, i'd like some opinions from an objective outsider. thank you.

  • kamran on October 27, 2006, 18:08 GMT

    Younis khan was HASTY for captainship and when you have such intentions then the result is in front of you.Neither his team performed well nor his individual performance was good.Inzamam should lead atleast till worldcup.

  • ahmed qaisar on October 27, 2006, 18:08 GMT

    Dear Kamran

    You could not have said it any better. Pakistan Cricket is filled with a bunch of Yahoos at the moment!

  • Rolland on October 27, 2006, 18:08 GMT

    No...they do not ned to fight like warriors, they should just have a sporting commitment, which they do - but have to learn to play confidentally on pitches the favor bowlers...

  • Moin Madraswala on October 27, 2006, 18:08 GMT

    I agree with your accessment. I think you are correct that if Pakistan needs to be competitive in world cup they need Inzi back and one wicket taking bowler whether it is Shoaib, Asif or a genuine spinner that will take wickets. If you want to look at the positives, I think this is a blessing is disguise for Pakistan. If Pakistan would have moved on to semis everyone in Pakistan (shockingly Imran Khan too) would have asked for Younis to be the captain of Pakistan team, atleast that debate is over, Inzi is our man, I am not sure if Younis should be in the team let alone being the captain. Our management and cricket gurus do not realize that Younis has only 2 centuries and 25 fifties in 142 mathces at an average of 31 and 1 of the cnetury is against non cricketing countries. I know he batted lower in the order but there have been enough Pakistani collapses in the past. May be with his poor captaincy of not Bowling Hafeez against NZ and not bowling Gul or Arafat on fast track shows everyone that Younis is a go with the flow captain, no tricks or smarts, I guarantee that he did not realize that he has not given bowl to Hafeez against NZ and Umar has 3 overs left against SA. I think Pakistan needs a captain that could adapt to situations and they need to look somewhere else. Last thing that I would like to mention is that it is very disappointing for all the fans when their team loses like this but it more disappointing when the captain comes out in the end laughing and saying it is part of the game and it happens, It is did not seem like Younis was angry at himself, I could not finish my breakfast looking at Pakistan getting thrashed but to Younis it is just another game and another loss, I have seen player like Magic and Jordon cry when losing close games but Younis was laughing when they kicked out of the tournament.

  • Bashir Fancy on October 27, 2006, 18:06 GMT

    I think Kamran Abbasi has done a brilliant job of articulating the problems. It was a shameful performance and Younis captaincy left a lot to be desired of. It is perfectly alright to lose games, but you go down fighting. We lack killer instinct like Australia. South Africa were 42 for 5 and we allowed them to get off the hook. Umar Gul and Yasir Arafat did not finish their overs. Only Younis can explain that.

  • Shakeel Qazi on October 27, 2006, 18:05 GMT

    Pakistan has always come back and prevailed. Noone expected from the to win the match from Sri Lanka. But they did. I agree with Kamran on 'batsman fault' for today match. If SA can score 200 runs, we should atleast got to decent score. If we have lost by 3 runs like India lost yesterday from WI, That would have been great achivment, considering team was gone through such a turmoil. Nonetheless, Like alway, I wish Pakistan cricket team returns back before World cup. If WI and SL can turn around, we should do that.

    Pakistan ZindaBad

  • Abdul Azeem Khan on October 27, 2006, 18:04 GMT

    Just want to add that with this Batting and Captaincy Collapse today the value of Inzamam as a Captain and a player under pressure has become more evident. Younis made many small errors in captaincy and toped it all with his miserable and appualing short at a critical juncture. You can just say that Inzi would have handled the situation with far more calculated and responsible approach. At least this match slaps those people in the face who are in favor of replacing inzamam with Younis. I just hope that they have found out the true value of Inzamam as a Captain and as a Batsman in this team.

  • sadiq malik on October 27, 2006, 18:03 GMT

    well i quiet agree with mr. kamran pitches cannot be blamed all the time .if pakistan are to win the world cup they should learn and adapt quicky as many pitches in west indies are bowler friendly.it was surprising that evev younis and yosuf failed in such conditions to the contrast that both are in top ten in icc test ratings it was surprising that no such pitches are in pakistan from which pakistan can learn from their mistakes and to this bob should play an imp role

  • Syed- USA on October 27, 2006, 18:02 GMT

    Expected departure in unexpected manner.Not bowlers unable to protect a bog total but batsmen totally inept to get anywhere a descent toatl.I am sure there will be plenty of comments on this valiant defeat,just a few points.You don't need too many bits and pieces cricketers in odi,Afridi tops the list.pure sound technical batsmen with a temperament.Hard to find though,keep looking,good luck.Important question for the "dummy captain" can he handlethe pressure of captaincy,lack of killer instinct,smart bowling changes, too many loop holes (not to say that Inzi was aggressive by any stretch of imagination)woorying factor fot Khan is his pathetic batting display in this trophy.Few important questions to address in the next few months.

    ThankYou,

    Syed ..USA

  • Nasir on October 27, 2006, 18:00 GMT

    Pakistan needs to fix its captaincy issues first. I think Younis Khan should be made captain for good. Inzamam will play just for a year or so more and its better Younis learns the ropes whilst he is there in the team.

    Afridi is never going to change and he does not seem to have the zip about him. he simply seems to be going thought the motions. With Inzamam likely to retire soon we will have a huge hole in our middle order and that coupled with our opening woes is the biggest thing to worry about.

    I think our boys should concentrate more on cricket than stressing who prays and who doesn't. They are paid to play cricket and not spread Islam. If they have so much interest in religion they can join the many jamats to satisfy their spiritual needs. As far as I am concerned as long as a player performs on the pitch, i couldn't care less about their private lives.

    The board should never have sanctioned testing on its players and should have kept quiet when the +ive results came. I doubt they will deal with the matter correctly and its likely to become one big mess. They should have let the players be caught by ICC testing and let them deal with the matter.

  • NFP on October 27, 2006, 17:58 GMT

    Well, it finally came to pass. All that self-rightous religious exhibitionism and tableeghism did not change the fact that even Allah thinks Pakistanis are bunnies on a bouncy track. "Thanks to almighty Allah?" You bet. Thanks to almighty Allah for yet again exposing what a bunch of ill-equipped whimps we are on tracks that are not dusty, dead and flat.

  • Fouad on October 27, 2006, 17:52 GMT

    I think the Pakistani batsmen will prove against the West Indies that they're flat track bullies, because, thats what the tracks will be..flat. Favoring their batsmen. I don't understand why they don't even try. Did the pitch change for Yasir Arafat in the end that he stayed that long? Its beyond pathetic!!! I have no hopes of Pakistan even qualifying for the Super 8 in the World Cup!

  • §unnY on October 27, 2006, 17:27 GMT

    As said by Younis Khan him self they will play good cricket, I think they need to define what the good cricket is. On paper Pakistan had 2nd weakest bowling attack in ICC Champions trophy with Rana not in form, Umer out of match practice and Rao out of confidence. But in the end it was the strong batting line up and a good future captain who let the team down. It was said that Pakistan has the strongest batting line up in the world but with out Inzi it was only "Rait kee deewar" (mountain of sand).

  • masroor on October 27, 2006, 17:13 GMT

    WOW!!!!! lack of will to fight back, they showed no spin. What is going on here?? We need to make fast track pitches against WI. If we are planning to compete in the world cup. Our batsmen need to learn how to bat on a bouncy pitch. Very disappointed in the way we lost. This time our bowling was good. I completly agree with u Kamran, the administration should be taken to the cleaners. We need to change the way PCB is organized and operated. As i have stated in my last comments we need to make them more accountable to the people not to the president. What this team has gone through since the England tour this was excepted. But, what's done is done!!!! we need to rebuild and we need to do it now. Our dependence upon players like M.Asif, S. Akthar and most of all on Inzi should be reduced. We need to dig deep into our pool of talent --- i hope against WI we can utilize that talent give them a chance, groom them for World cup. As far as Afradi is concerned he should be rested.....he needs to do some soul searching play some domestic cricket get his form back. He looks tired and defeated on the field WHY?. We need to hire fitness coach, we need W. akram to come back and work with the current bowling coach. I guess while we are at it........we need a batting coach as well....lol. Their is no need to hit the panic button just yet......i.e, replacing Bob....in my opinion that will be a mistake. win or lose, is part of the game. We need to go back to the drawing board now.........

  • Dan on October 27, 2006, 17:06 GMT

    I completely agree with you. This is not a loss, it is complete annihilation. You call these batsmen? They looked like soccer players playing cricket for the first time! Shameful. What I cannot unserstand is why can't we make pitches like this in Pakistan and use them only for practice? That way we can be ready for pitches like these. Another thing that I feel that plays a lot in Pakistani cricket is mental toughness. How can an in form batsman loose his form completley in the very next match. if we are 4 wickets down then everybody gives up hope. All one needs to do is tell himself is whats the worst that could happen? We will loose, but it doesn't hurt trying our best. How many times have we seen Austarlia and South Africa sneak a victory from loss just because they refused to give up. Finally I just don't understand what goes in the minds of our captains. they just can't think big. They are sooo scared and defensive. 5 wickets down, the team is on back foot, the first opportunity the captain has, he opens up the field! HUGH. What is the risk in attacking? If you find it is not working, you can always change the filed later. I was the biggest fan of Pakistani cricket and I am sadly considering never to follow them again. They just refuse to improve. They just don't realize what level of cricket other teams are playing and we cannot weven get the basics right, i.e fielding, running between the wickets, foot movement and game plan. My decision is also based on the yougsters. If we look at it, nost of our wins come from Mahammad Yousuf, Inzamam , Abdul razzaz. With the exception of Shoib Malik the rest are just mediocre. These guys don't have a long future and we will be left with players who just simply refuse to take responsibility. May God be with our team and I wish them best of luck in the future.....

  • Navid Zaidi on October 27, 2006, 17:02 GMT

    Pakistan are a mediocre team. They are in a group with Ind, Eng, WI and NZ. Playing these teams they have as good a chance of winning as losing on a particular day depending on their mood. So I call them a 'moody team'. They have no professionalism and discipline in or out of field.

  • Aboysa on October 27, 2006, 16:34 GMT

    The hype about Yasir Arafat, the supposedly heir to Waqar, Wasim, Asif, Shoaib, was fully overblown by you and some of the readers here. As I have said before, county is no measure of players quality. It is how they cope with play at international level. Its about time you realize that and stop hyping up players who are not ready yet.

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  • Aboysa on October 27, 2006, 16:34 GMT

    The hype about Yasir Arafat, the supposedly heir to Waqar, Wasim, Asif, Shoaib, was fully overblown by you and some of the readers here. As I have said before, county is no measure of players quality. It is how they cope with play at international level. Its about time you realize that and stop hyping up players who are not ready yet.

  • Navid Zaidi on October 27, 2006, 17:02 GMT

    Pakistan are a mediocre team. They are in a group with Ind, Eng, WI and NZ. Playing these teams they have as good a chance of winning as losing on a particular day depending on their mood. So I call them a 'moody team'. They have no professionalism and discipline in or out of field.

  • Dan on October 27, 2006, 17:06 GMT

    I completely agree with you. This is not a loss, it is complete annihilation. You call these batsmen? They looked like soccer players playing cricket for the first time! Shameful. What I cannot unserstand is why can't we make pitches like this in Pakistan and use them only for practice? That way we can be ready for pitches like these. Another thing that I feel that plays a lot in Pakistani cricket is mental toughness. How can an in form batsman loose his form completley in the very next match. if we are 4 wickets down then everybody gives up hope. All one needs to do is tell himself is whats the worst that could happen? We will loose, but it doesn't hurt trying our best. How many times have we seen Austarlia and South Africa sneak a victory from loss just because they refused to give up. Finally I just don't understand what goes in the minds of our captains. they just can't think big. They are sooo scared and defensive. 5 wickets down, the team is on back foot, the first opportunity the captain has, he opens up the field! HUGH. What is the risk in attacking? If you find it is not working, you can always change the filed later. I was the biggest fan of Pakistani cricket and I am sadly considering never to follow them again. They just refuse to improve. They just don't realize what level of cricket other teams are playing and we cannot weven get the basics right, i.e fielding, running between the wickets, foot movement and game plan. My decision is also based on the yougsters. If we look at it, nost of our wins come from Mahammad Yousuf, Inzamam , Abdul razzaz. With the exception of Shoib Malik the rest are just mediocre. These guys don't have a long future and we will be left with players who just simply refuse to take responsibility. May God be with our team and I wish them best of luck in the future.....

  • masroor on October 27, 2006, 17:13 GMT

    WOW!!!!! lack of will to fight back, they showed no spin. What is going on here?? We need to make fast track pitches against WI. If we are planning to compete in the world cup. Our batsmen need to learn how to bat on a bouncy pitch. Very disappointed in the way we lost. This time our bowling was good. I completly agree with u Kamran, the administration should be taken to the cleaners. We need to change the way PCB is organized and operated. As i have stated in my last comments we need to make them more accountable to the people not to the president. What this team has gone through since the England tour this was excepted. But, what's done is done!!!! we need to rebuild and we need to do it now. Our dependence upon players like M.Asif, S. Akthar and most of all on Inzi should be reduced. We need to dig deep into our pool of talent --- i hope against WI we can utilize that talent give them a chance, groom them for World cup. As far as Afradi is concerned he should be rested.....he needs to do some soul searching play some domestic cricket get his form back. He looks tired and defeated on the field WHY?. We need to hire fitness coach, we need W. akram to come back and work with the current bowling coach. I guess while we are at it........we need a batting coach as well....lol. Their is no need to hit the panic button just yet......i.e, replacing Bob....in my opinion that will be a mistake. win or lose, is part of the game. We need to go back to the drawing board now.........

  • §unnY on October 27, 2006, 17:27 GMT

    As said by Younis Khan him self they will play good cricket, I think they need to define what the good cricket is. On paper Pakistan had 2nd weakest bowling attack in ICC Champions trophy with Rana not in form, Umer out of match practice and Rao out of confidence. But in the end it was the strong batting line up and a good future captain who let the team down. It was said that Pakistan has the strongest batting line up in the world but with out Inzi it was only "Rait kee deewar" (mountain of sand).

  • Fouad on October 27, 2006, 17:52 GMT

    I think the Pakistani batsmen will prove against the West Indies that they're flat track bullies, because, thats what the tracks will be..flat. Favoring their batsmen. I don't understand why they don't even try. Did the pitch change for Yasir Arafat in the end that he stayed that long? Its beyond pathetic!!! I have no hopes of Pakistan even qualifying for the Super 8 in the World Cup!

  • NFP on October 27, 2006, 17:58 GMT

    Well, it finally came to pass. All that self-rightous religious exhibitionism and tableeghism did not change the fact that even Allah thinks Pakistanis are bunnies on a bouncy track. "Thanks to almighty Allah?" You bet. Thanks to almighty Allah for yet again exposing what a bunch of ill-equipped whimps we are on tracks that are not dusty, dead and flat.

  • Nasir on October 27, 2006, 18:00 GMT

    Pakistan needs to fix its captaincy issues first. I think Younis Khan should be made captain for good. Inzamam will play just for a year or so more and its better Younis learns the ropes whilst he is there in the team.

    Afridi is never going to change and he does not seem to have the zip about him. he simply seems to be going thought the motions. With Inzamam likely to retire soon we will have a huge hole in our middle order and that coupled with our opening woes is the biggest thing to worry about.

    I think our boys should concentrate more on cricket than stressing who prays and who doesn't. They are paid to play cricket and not spread Islam. If they have so much interest in religion they can join the many jamats to satisfy their spiritual needs. As far as I am concerned as long as a player performs on the pitch, i couldn't care less about their private lives.

    The board should never have sanctioned testing on its players and should have kept quiet when the +ive results came. I doubt they will deal with the matter correctly and its likely to become one big mess. They should have let the players be caught by ICC testing and let them deal with the matter.

  • Syed- USA on October 27, 2006, 18:02 GMT

    Expected departure in unexpected manner.Not bowlers unable to protect a bog total but batsmen totally inept to get anywhere a descent toatl.I am sure there will be plenty of comments on this valiant defeat,just a few points.You don't need too many bits and pieces cricketers in odi,Afridi tops the list.pure sound technical batsmen with a temperament.Hard to find though,keep looking,good luck.Important question for the "dummy captain" can he handlethe pressure of captaincy,lack of killer instinct,smart bowling changes, too many loop holes (not to say that Inzi was aggressive by any stretch of imagination)woorying factor fot Khan is his pathetic batting display in this trophy.Few important questions to address in the next few months.

    ThankYou,

    Syed ..USA

  • sadiq malik on October 27, 2006, 18:03 GMT

    well i quiet agree with mr. kamran pitches cannot be blamed all the time .if pakistan are to win the world cup they should learn and adapt quicky as many pitches in west indies are bowler friendly.it was surprising that evev younis and yosuf failed in such conditions to the contrast that both are in top ten in icc test ratings it was surprising that no such pitches are in pakistan from which pakistan can learn from their mistakes and to this bob should play an imp role