Australia in England 2012

Swann ruled out of last two ODIs

David Hopps

July 5, 2012

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Graeme Swann chats with Peter Such during training, Lord's, June 27, 2012
Graeme Swann uses his dodgy elbow to make a point, watched by England's spin-bowling coach Peter Such © Getty Images
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England's offspinner Graeme Swann has been rested from the final two fixtures in the NatWest Series to enable him to overcome discomfort in his right elbow ahead of the Test series against South Africa, which begins at The Oval in a fortnight.

Swann has had to manage a niggling elbow problem for some time, but it is not thought to be serious enough to put his involvement against South Africa at risk in the showpiece series of the summer.

Warwickshire's allrounder Chris Woakes and Kent offspinner James Tredwell have been added to the squad for the remaining two matches against Australia. Woakes has been added to and removed from the squad so often that it will be an achievement if he manages to turn up at the right ground.

Geoff Miller, the national selector, said: "We had earmarked the fourth and fifth matches in this series as an opportunity to rest Graeme regardless of the result at Edgbaston as we have to consider our preparations for the Investec Test series later this month. Graeme has some pain in his elbow at the moment and we feel that an extra week's rest will allow his elbow to settle."

Heavy rain is forecast for Chester-le-Street on Friday afternoon, and there is no sign of settled weather ahead, bringing the fear of further disruption after the third ODI at Edgbaston was washed out without a ball being bowled.

England have made some gesture towards the worsening financial plight of the counties, as the FLt20 tournament has been largely lost without trace thanks to abysmal weather and the usual clash with international fixtures.

Samit Patel has been released to play for Nottinghamshire against Yorkshire on Thursday and Jonny Bairstow will be available for that fixture, as well as Yorkshire's Roses clash against Lancashire at Old Trafford. Both players will return to the squad ahead of the fourth ODI on Saturday.

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Posted by JG2704 on (July 7, 2012, 23:25 GMT)

@AKS286 on (July 07 2012, 16:26 PM GMT) different courses for different horses there . WCs are remembered so you have a point there but points rankings reflect the consistency of a team over a certain period.

Posted by AKS286 on (July 7, 2012, 16:26 GMT)

@INDFAN1 i agree with you, ranking does't matter until and unless any team fails in main occasion. the 83 WC when india won just after that indian team whitewashed by WI team. and also i want to mention SAFFERS they have awesome team but they choke at main event. like WI, NZ poor ranking and poor performance also. So, ranking is good but WC point table is more important.

Posted by WillemW on (July 6, 2012, 16:51 GMT)

Australia is getting swell! All the pieces are there, but they need to be placed at the right spot. It's just a click away: once the batters do their job, the bowlers will follow. Or when the bowlers are on track the batters feel less pressure. No worries mate! It's all about one little click. :-)

Posted by A_Yorkshire_Lad on (July 6, 2012, 15:45 GMT)

@Indfan1 and you can win a test series in Australia and do likewise !!

Posted by jmcilhinney on (July 6, 2012, 15:41 GMT)

@INDFAN1 on (July 06 2012, 10:46 AM GMT), you seem confused. Winning a WC and being the #1 ranked team have nothing specifically to do with each. India have proven that. England may take the #1 ODI ranking without winning the next WC and they may win the next WC without taking the #1 ranking. They might do neither or they might do both. Regardless, you probably ought to learn the difference.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 6, 2012, 15:17 GMT)

@INDFAN1 on (July 06 2012, 10:46 AM GMT) - Start winning some matches and your comments will hold more water

Posted by AKS286 on (July 6, 2012, 12:55 GMT)

@RandyOz Tredwell is better than panesar. tredwell can bat also.swann & ajmal are the best spinners in current cricket. swann injury is a good chance for tredwell to play.

Posted by bigwonder on (July 6, 2012, 12:26 GMT)

@Hammond, that's a bit selfish statement - but expected from an English fan. If Ashes is too important than why bother watching the current series, just turn-off your TV and don't use internet for cricket information. Wait till the Ashes begin. You do know there is a big world outside of Ashes. Regardless, if you think 3 months of rest is necessary before Ashes then how do you believe they will have real world experience before the series?

Posted by jb633 on (July 6, 2012, 11:12 GMT)

@INDFAN1, If we are to go by the logic of many Inidan fans that our results at home are not important, should we also suggest that your WC win is nullfied by the fact that it was played in your own back yard. If the only means by which Eng can prove themselves is to win in India, then surely the only means by which India can prove themselves is by winning in ENG/AUS + SA. Therefore by this logic there was no point in India winning the WC, they have to win it in Aus for it to count. Of course, I don't follow this logic personally, but surely you must see the flaws in constantly writing off all our games played at home. Pot, kettle black?

Posted by jb633 on (July 6, 2012, 11:05 GMT)

@Nutcutlet, yeah I agree that spinners to tend to mature later, but if we are going to be realistic, we have to say that Tredwell does not have what it takes to be a top class spinner. Yes, he provides control, but against the players of Ind/ Sri Lanka that is not enough. For once I actually agree with Randy Oz that Monty has been given a raw deal, he is vastly improved. I think Tredwell may do a job against Aus and SA, but we need to look for a proper replacement for Swann, someone who has the potential to bowl match winning spells. I just don't see any future for Tredwell. I would really hate to see him bowling against the best players of spin, if our quicks had no come off.

Posted by INDFAN1 on (July 6, 2012, 10:46 GMT)

@EmmanuelCummings win a world cup and then you may be the number 1 team !!

Posted by Front-Foot-Lunge on (July 6, 2012, 10:41 GMT)

@RandyOz: Your Envy speaks volumes and continues to give English fans plenty to smile about. How are Australia getting along these days?

Posted by Nutcutlet on (July 6, 2012, 9:33 GMT)

Tredwell is the obvious replacement for Swann for the time being. The fact that he's not young and inexperienced actually counts in his favour. Aged thirty, he's hardly a veteran though. Spinners have to be very special indeed to be picked when young as their art depends more on subtlety, thinking out a strategy to snare a batsman into a false move, than the explosive energy required by the quicks. This 'old head' mentality is hardly ever found in young spinners - for the obvious reason! Spinners are nearly always at their best after the age of 30 and often achieve their peak in their mid or late thirties. He is also a good lower-middle order bat and reliable in the field - so Monty can't compete there. As is usual these days, the thinking behind JT's selection is clear and logical. Incidentally, he should be at or near his absolute best by the time of the next WC, OK, The Honeymonster (& others)?

Posted by Hammond on (July 6, 2012, 8:50 GMT)

@RandyOz- you are a pretty dull comedian. When are you going to get some new material?

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 6, 2012, 8:26 GMT)

Hopefully England's real number 1 spinner, Monty Panesar can come in. He has been given a rough deal, especially considering the far weaker Swann has been spanked around the past year. If Monty had the same opportunities he could've had 300+ test wickets and released 3 books by now!

Posted by   on (July 6, 2012, 7:39 GMT)

England is the number one team in the world and will be so for the next 5 years keep it going guys

Posted by mikey76 on (July 6, 2012, 5:39 GMT)

There is no way Monty should get near an ODI team. A liabilty in the field and a poor bat. Just no room for 1 dimensional cricketers, especially in limited overs. I would like to see Kerrigan given a shot but I understand Tredwell's selection.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 6, 2012, 5:26 GMT)

@Hammond, thats why we've lined up NZ at the start of the summer for some net practice, and they will be weakened even more by not having IPL players present. I think Aus will be competative next year though I dont think they will win the Ashes in the summer they have a good chance to regain them in the winter tour.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (July 6, 2012, 3:28 GMT)

@Marcio on (July 06 2012, 00:32 AM GMT), you're quite right, there is a reason. Australia are #1 because they used to have such a good team that they built up a big buffer. They've eaten through just about all of it now though. Nor do we expect them to lay down and die. It's much more enjoyable to see them trying their best and still being beaten.

Posted by Lmaotsetung on (July 6, 2012, 3:05 GMT)

Monty has pretty much fielded himself out of the England set up IMHO. Those 2 dropped catches against SL were massive especially the second one which a school boy should have gobbled up. Not saying England would have beaten SL in the first test but there is no denying it changed the complexion of the match.

Posted by vrn59 on (July 6, 2012, 2:38 GMT)

I would've picked Monty Panesar as Swann's replacement. I was really impressed with him in the Tests in the UAE, and I think he deserves a couple of ODI matches. But I guess there's no harm in trying a youngster ...

Posted by Marcio on (July 6, 2012, 0:32 GMT)

@richardror, talk about counting your chickens! I'm afraid you are going to be in for a bit of a shock if you think AUS is just going to lay down and die! AUS is the number one ranked side, ENG #4, and for a reason.

Posted by jackthelad on (July 6, 2012, 0:05 GMT)

NB, in case of any misconception, 'serious cricket' does not include Australia.

Posted by Hammond on (July 5, 2012, 23:46 GMT)

@anuradha_d - ashes is the only important series. Wouldn't mind seeing the whole England side have 3 months off before the ashes series, not play any unimportant series (read all) and concentrate only on being fully fit and practiced before the ashes.

Posted by jb633 on (July 5, 2012, 22:28 GMT)

@Honeymonster, no I think you raise a valid point with regards to young leggies, but I just don't want to see Tredwell or Briggs. I completley agree about Briggs too, not all that impressed. I must admit that I do not see a standout choice. There is a big gap between Monty and Swann and the rest of our spinners and picking a spinner here will be difficult.

Posted by jackthelad on (July 5, 2012, 20:42 GMT)

Wise decision, this was always a nonsensical competition which never mattered in any way, let Swann recover before the serious cricket resumes.

Posted by anuradha_d on (July 5, 2012, 20:18 GMT)

Eng should not play any other form of cricket 6 months before Ashes or any test series against the top 4nations......

nor should they be allowed to drive.....nor work in their garden or backyards....lest they injure a finger

Posted by SDHM on (July 5, 2012, 16:59 GMT)

jb633 - what young English leg-spinner isn't? Even Borthwick seems to have been picked too early given where he seems to be at in his development if you ask me, but the case of Rashid is a sad one. Hopefully he can come again. @Guernica - I'm not a huge fan of Briggs anyway. His game seems built entirely around defence instead of taking wickets, something borne of playing too much one day cricket too young. Lancashire have gone about developing Kerrigan the right way by playing him mainly in Championship cricket and allowing him to attack. Having said that, when the England Lions played in the Caribbean first class competition Briggs was by far and away the leading wicket-taker, so perhaps I'm being harsh.

Posted by whatawicket on (July 5, 2012, 16:32 GMT)

yorkie pud i think tredwell is in the coaches mind to play in the T20 wc.

Posted by Guernica on (July 5, 2012, 14:59 GMT)

@Behind - there is no way that would be England's top 6 if those players were absent. A good starting point for debate though, which was perhaps your intention. I would have Carberry, Cook, Taylor, Bell, Hildreth, Bopara (+ Bairstow wk instead of Prior if you are counting him as South African). Further back-ups would be Chopra, Root, Davies (wk). Still looks a decent line-up to me but perhaps lacking in experience.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 5, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

@TheHoneymonster , I'm not saying Tredwell doesnt deserve the call, just that you should loko at youngsters as well.....@jmcilhinney, not but I think a 4-0 puts SA top of the pile then, and If my maths is correct, India can then go top if they win by 4 clear games against SL, with SA having a second bite at the cherry in september or if England win by 3 (or 4) games then they will go top.

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 14:26 GMT)

Good decision by the team management. This is what I like about Andy Flower and English selectors. The way they care of their players is the right way to go. This avoid injuries,keeps your players fresh for each series. Also,gives tredwell a chance. I think it's high time England find their 2nd spinner who's got some quality in him. In English conditions,1 spinner is more than enough[Sometimes,even 1 is not even required]. So,England get away with that. But they struggle in sub continent because Swann can't perform everytime as no individual can. The gap between your 1st choice and 2nd choice shouldn't be huge which is the case in England's spin department. The reason why England do well in seam department is because all the seamers are almost on the same level. If 1 gets injured,the other one who comes is more or else on the same lines. That's why England won the Ashes despite 2 genuine guys getting injured. I know Andy flower knows this. English Fan From India[Abhinav-CRICKET LOVER]

Posted by richardror on (July 5, 2012, 14:03 GMT)

Good idea to rest him considering England can't get the #1 spot (even though they are clearly superior to Australia, and they want a good side ready to face South Africa. 4-0 is good enough out of 4.

Posted by bigwonder on (July 5, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

Swann never liked ODIs anyways. Over all it is a good opportunity for another spinner to establish himself.

Posted by Behind_the_bowlers_arm on (July 5, 2012, 13:39 GMT)

Surprised with the first SA Test on July 19 that all of England's bowlers havent been taken out of ODI action. Good to see Doherty see off Swann in this series and the selection of Tredwell shows the thin veneer that leaves us staring into the abyss of mediocrity once one or two top liners are unavailable. A good indication of this is to play the game of picking the First Test teams for Eng v SA if ALL the S Africans played for S Africa. I make the top 6 being SA : 1 G Smith 2 Strauss 3 Kallis 4 Pieterson 5 DeVilliers 6 Trott vs Eng : 1 Cook 2 Hales 3 Bopara 4 Bell 5 Bairstow 6 Ramprakash

Posted by landl47 on (July 5, 2012, 13:24 GMT)

There's some logic to picking Tredwell. In a meaningless series (especially now the #1 ODI ranking is not up for grabs) the Aussies might consider it worth throwing their bats at a young spinner. If they come off, they might put him out of contention for a place in future and if not, who cares? That was always an Aussie tactic in the past and worked sometimes. It's kind of ironic that Swann, whose elbow is dead straight at delivery, should have elbow problems while the doosra bowlers seem to have no difficulty. Let's hope Swann is 100% fit for the SA series; he's already shown that the Australian batsman can't get him away so he's been bowling well. He'll be needed against SA.

Posted by simon_w on (July 5, 2012, 13:09 GMT)

The absence of Swanny will boost Australia's chances in the final two ODIs, of course -- he's performed well so far, especially at the Oval -- but I don't think it will make much difference to the results (if, indeed, results are possible). Would much rather see Briggs, Borthwick or Kerrigan given a go, though. I suppose the selectors will say that they're resting Swann, and the second best option in terms of like-for-like performance right now is Tredwell. Oh, and I really couldn't care less about Swanny's book.

Posted by anuradha_d on (July 5, 2012, 12:47 GMT)

someone from the first choice 11 of england will take a hit or injury in the remaining 2 ODIs.....and that will cost eng the No.1 title against SA in tests.....mark my words

Posted by Marcio on (July 5, 2012, 12:20 GMT)

Well, that's bad luck for Swann and Eng, good luck for AUS. But I always predicted AUS would come good after two games. I expect them to win this third ODI.

Posted by R_U_4_REAL_NICK on (July 5, 2012, 12:00 GMT)

All the test players should be ruled out automatically anyway. The No. 1 spot might have been worth going for, but with that now out of the question does anybody seriously care about potentially climbing only one or two spots in the ODI rankings? People who have bought tickets for the remaining two ODI games could be given a part-refund/discount to future games, if/when England decide to field a 'B-team'.

Posted by jb633 on (July 5, 2012, 11:57 GMT)

This is a perfect opportunity for the selectors to look at someone who can really spin the ball. As this series is inconseqential it gives the selectors an opportunity to look at an attacking bowler, without the fear that they may go for plenty. I hope they do no go for Tredwell or Briggs, but rather someone like Kerrigan or Borthwick, who give the ball a proper tweak. As I have played regional cricket with him I would personally prefer to see Borthwick given a gig, but think Kerrigan looks a really good bowler too. It is a massive shame that Adil Rashid has lost such form. Tipped to go far at too young an age if you ask me.

Posted by Meety on (July 5, 2012, 11:42 GMT)

@ AdrianVanDenStael - thanks, I'd been considering buyin it, you've saved me the trouble! LOL! Thought it would be a good chuckle!

Posted by Guernica on (July 5, 2012, 11:37 GMT)

@Damo_s kind of agree on Tredwell, but Briggs seems to have gone backwards this season. Kerrigan seems is more of a prospect for test cricket, so not sure we want to get him bowling in ODIs. Ollie Rayner of Middlesex can't be far off but perhaps he is just another in the often-tried mould of bits and pieces spinning allrounder (Grayson, Blackwell, Yardy, Dalrymple, Patel etc, etc). Borthwick the legspinner is just too expensive in my opinion.

Posted by jmcilhinney on (July 5, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

Swann's done a good job this series but I don't see this as a major blow. After all, Australia couldn't get Bopara's bowling away either in game 2. I really can't see the logic in bringing Tredwell in either. If ever you were going to blood a young spinner, a home series of relatively low importance would be the time to do it. Even if England lose the next two it's still a drawn series that wasn't especially important to begin with and even if they win the next two they can't make the #1 spot anyway. Given that Cook and Flower have prioritised the next WC over the #1 ranking for ODIs, I don't see how Tredwell over Briggs, Kerrigan or even Borthwick is a step in that direction. Given that the next WC is in Australia (& NZ, I know) having Borthwick firing by then couldn't be a bad thing.

Posted by JG2704 on (July 5, 2012, 11:25 GMT)

Very disappointing for England. Swann was bowling beautifully in both matches and he strangled the runrate at important times and bowlingwise I feel he has been the difference between the 2 sides and I feel he has been our best bowler in this series. However it is common sense with a huge series vs SA. Personally I'm not all that thrilled with the selection of Tredwell. I'd say if age doesn't matter then go for Keedy (for economy) or Monty (for wickets) and I know we'd lose something in the batting with those 2 but if Woakes is replacing Jade then we are gaining in the batting there. Besides we've not needed to bat that far down yet and I feel that batting depth should be less important in ODIs

Posted by   on (July 5, 2012, 11:24 GMT)

@RandyOZ Your spinner is Doherty, nothing more to say.

Posted by SDHM on (July 5, 2012, 11:03 GMT)

YorkshirePudding - Tredwell gets picked as he's the closest thing we have to a like-for-like replacement for Swann, in that he bats well to go with his bowling. He's an underrated bowler for me too, but not the ideal pick if we're looking forward to a World Cup in three years time. Kerrigan doesn't play a lot of limited overs cricket for Lancashire so I don't think he comes into England's one day plans at the moment, and Briggs and Borthwick have had average seasons, mainly due to the weather; it's hardly the conditions in which to nurture young spin bowlers at the moment.

Posted by Mike_veitch on (July 5, 2012, 11:02 GMT)

I've read Swann's book and thought it was pretty poor but really who cares about it. On reflection though, I bet swanny's book signing tour had less miles on it than the ball does in a standard Doherty 10 over spell

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 5, 2012, 10:57 GMT)

@AdrianVanDenStael, in regards to Swanns book, I couldnt careless about it, though some fan-boys would have rushed out to buy it, I dont see the point in buying a book "written" by someone still in the game, unless its something like a Series Diary.

Posted by AdrianVanDenStael on (July 5, 2012, 10:37 GMT)

Elsewhere cricinfo reporters have suggested that Doherty was strugging somewhat by comparison with Swann's allegedly fine performances in this series. Well, if that logic is true, you might expect that a, Swann's loss will be a major blow to England and Australia will stand a good chance in the remaining ODIs, and b, with some of the pressure taken off Doherty he will have a good chance to shine in the last two matches. We will see if this comes to pass. @RandyOZ, I couldn't tell you off hand how the sales of Swann's book are going, but he can't be too unhappy about its reception since he was nominated in two categories of the British Sports Book Awards back in March. Personally I'm with you in this one in so far as I read part of Swann's book and wasn't particularly impressed. However, it looks like you and I are in the minority, once again ...

Posted by Damo_s on (July 5, 2012, 10:29 GMT)

I really dont see the point in selecting Tredwell. He is not the future at all. definately give Briggs or Kerrigan or go.

@RandyOz Your superstar team (in your eyes) has been thumped twice now and you are still slating our number 1 spinner. Swanny tied your batsmen in knots, and made a schoolboy out of your "spinner" LOL.

Posted by bobmartin on (July 5, 2012, 10:27 GMT)

RandyOZ.. maybe we shouldn't have bothered drafting in a specialist spinner.. after all, this Aussie batting line-up that is descibed as "the best we have" by Inverarity is hardly likely to make much hay no matter who bowled at them.

Posted by YorkshirePudding on (July 5, 2012, 9:59 GMT)

I'm not sure tredwell is the right choice to replace Swann, why not try one of the younger spinners, like Borthwick, Briggs, or Kerrigan.

Posted by Hammond on (July 5, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

Good. Rest all the important personnel. The real competition is about to arrive.

Posted by RandyOZ on (July 5, 2012, 9:30 GMT)

Bit of a blow for the Aussies, we would've loved to continue belting him around the park, much like he has been by everyone else for the past 12 months. How are the book sales going, Graeme?

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David Hopps David Hopps joined ESPNcricinfo as UK editor early in 2012. For the previous 20 years he was a senior cricket writer for the Guardian and covered England extensively during that time in all Test-playing nations. He also covered four Olympic Games and has written several cricket books, including collections of cricket quotations. He has been an avid amateur cricketer since he was 12, and so knows the pain of repeated failure only too well. The pile of untouched novels he plans to read, but rarely gets around to, is now almost touching the ceiling. He divides his time between the ESPNcricinfo office in Hammersmith and his beloved Yorkshire.
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