December 24, 2010

India have let themselves down

By not preparing well enough for South Africa and by not acknowledging Dravid's landmark as much as they should have
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Sachin Tendulkar has made a 50th Test century seem more like an appointment kept than a journey into the uncharted. Great men do that, reaching out to things that others cannot even spot. His longevity has been staggering, and I often wonder if others deny themselves that because they stifle the child within, drain the enthusiasm that an untroubled childhood possesses. Tendulkar's 50th, and in course of time maybe his 100th, is as much a tribute to his innate ability and extraordinary intelligence as it is to his youthful exuberance. Cricket is a toy, a pet that he hasn't yet outgrown.

Too many others fall in love with the reward. In its mindless pursuit they find the journey tedious, they seek to shorten it, often to ignore it. It has become a cliché to say so but Tendulkar is still in love with the journey. The box office may pass its verdict but the role is still to be enjoyed. It's an extraordinary, beautiful way to live, and one that is available to all of us.

Tendulkar's 50th, dazzling as it was, blinded many to two other events. In an extraordinary, and dare I say heartless, act of omission, most of India chose to ignore that another legend of the modern game had gone past 12,000 runs. Rahul Dravid has rarely demanded the spotlight, and increasingly in India, with its modern obsession for self-promotion, the strong, quiet, efficient ones get overlooked.

If Tendulkar's life is about enthusiasm, Dravid's is about determination. If Tendulkar is the child splashing colour about with glee, Dravid is the scientist in a relentless search for progress. He might seem weighed down but that is his style and it is a style that has served him and his team handsomely for almost 15 years. Tendulkar might have been a Formula One driver or a striker in a goalmouth, Dravid would have been an Olympic shooter.

Twelve thousand runs is a colossal achievement. Very good players are respected for life for scoring half those. It is a reward for an unwavering work ethic, for a man who has never drifted from the path of perseverance and integrity, two rather unfashionable qualities in public life these days. By not recognising the enormity of what Dravid has achieved, India has let itself down.

Having said that, neither champion will have enjoyed the occasion for their landmarks. Indeed, Tendulkar's achievement blinded many to the fact that a Test match was eventually conceded. Once again India had lost the first Test of a series overseas, and once again the lesson will be completely ignored.

India are slow starters on bouncy pitches. It takes time to make the adjustment, even for the very best - as it would be for a linguist who has spoken Tamil for a couple of years to switch to French immediately. But India have always been adamant about not giving themselves more than a game to acclimatise; now even that is a luxury. And so we must reap what we sow. In 2007 in England, rain, and an astonishing umpiring error, allowed India to escape with a draw in the first Test, and in Australia later that year India kept the tradition alive by losing the Boxing Day Test match.

Yet India seem to enjoy jumping off planes and into cricket matches. In 2007, after much pleading, Anil Kumble was given one warm-up game in Australia. I found that staggering: that an Indian captain was having to negotiate with his own administration for the best possible opportunity to win. Admittedly there are some players who don't enjoy playing warm-up games on the grounds that they are served with poor opposition on pitches that may not always resemble those in the Test matches. And it is true that conditions at Centurion on the first day were very different from those on subsequent days, but I can't help thinking that better preparation might have ensured India didn't get bowled out as cheaply as they did.

But India's current problems lie deeper. The best teams in the world are those that are capable of taking 20 wickets in most conditions. Strong bowling sides keep you in the game longer than strong batting sides do. India's bowling in Centurion was amiable, even embarrassing. It didn't have the potency to drag India back into the game and allow the second-innings performance to take them to safety. India might have lost the Test on the first day, but the bowlers ensured that no other result was possible.

India produced the landmarks, brilliant as they are; South Africa produced the result.

Harsha Bhogle is a commentator, television presenter and writer. His Twitter feed is here

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  • on December 27, 2010, 21:21 GMT

    I must say, I missed this one too :( 12000 runs is monumental!!

  • on December 27, 2010, 18:48 GMT

    @Ravi_Musti: rocking comment..u jst snatched my thoughts & left me speechless..how come they challenged the thoughts of a man with more than 2 decades of experience sitting on cricinfo @all other guys fighting over who is better...both r legends & have won matches for India..Dravid has always been the unsung hero but I don't think he minds that..the pair of them have always been my favourite test players playing truly for india..if sachin is in a much better form and flow than dravid the vice-versa was the situation in 2002-03....

  • Gulshan_Grover on December 27, 2010, 17:52 GMT

    Dravid has been a great batsman for India and we all love him a lot, but he is way past his sell date....he should go now so we can induct younger players one by one, otherwise all the men of the golden generation will be gone at once in couple years time (Sachin, Laxman etc.) and we will be left holding the bucket just like Australia.

    Loyalty towards a certain player should never exceed loyalty for Team india. Cheers :)

  • 114_in_final_Six_overs on December 27, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    Rahul Dravid, no doubt a great batsman once, has become the albatross around India's neck. Neither he is retiring, nor being shown the door, and he is definitely not batting like a dominant number 3 that India needs. Apart from few centuries on dead tracks against some very ordinary opposition he has nothing to show for. Emperor has no cloth and no one wants to point this out. Hopefully, now that he has scored 12K runs and taken 200 catches he will call it a day and not make team India suffer any more. He has now failed in all 4 innings of this test series and that is definitely one of the reasons India is struggling to compete despite brave efforts from others.

  • Biophysicist on December 27, 2010, 12:10 GMT

    @NoCountry_for_OldMan: If one who has scored two centuries in the last series with an average of 110.25 is in terminal decline, just after one relatively poor performance in the present series, I wonder why you did not say the same of Sachin after the NZ series (when his average was in the low 30s)? For your information, Dravid averages over 46 so far in this calendar year, i.e., upto the end of the 1st test in SA. It is an average most test players would be happy for their career not when they are out of form, which has been the case with Dravid in the recent times. Please look up statistics before making statements.

  • on December 27, 2010, 9:30 GMT

    Dravid:Scored nearly 23% of the total runs put up by India (with a batting average of 102.84) in the 21 Test matches won under Ganguly's captaincy. This is the highest percentage contribution by any batsman in Test cricket history in matches won under a single captain where the captain has won more than 20 Tests.Only player to score a century against every Test playing nation away from home.Averages 66 in matches won (43), 78 in matches won abroad (18). off cricinfo (same period) sachin dravid 49 52 matches won 4580 4748 runs scored 68.37 66.87 average 17 13 100s (6 200+ each) 16 22 50s Equal number of 50s to 16 dravid has 16 100s to tendulkar's 17 55.9 47.71 SR lets compare SR with lesser balls dravid is 57.95 to sachin 55.9. in short sachin is greatand so is dravid don't disaccount the wall

  • Biophysicist on December 27, 2010, 5:18 GMT

    Gulshan_Grover and Hema_Adhikari: I don't understand how you people can be so critical when Dravid doesn't perform in a test, but be blind to the non-performance of Sachin? Why didn't you call for the head of Tendulkar when he failed to score even one century against NZ in the last series? Even Haribhajan got two centuries in that series? If Dravid has become the problem now, wasn't Tendulkar the problem then, not to speak of his poor run from 2003-2007, when he averaged just 39.54 against all countries (both home and away combined), excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (47.31 if these two countries are included). How does it compare with Dravid's average of 56.55 (58.42 if you include Zimbabwe and Bangladesh) for the same period against the same opposition during the same period? Who among these two was boosting his average against weak opposition? Did you guys ask for Tendulkar to be dropped then, since he was the problem at that time?

  • NoCountry_for_OldMan on December 27, 2010, 4:47 GMT

    I agree with Gulshan, RD seems to be in terminal decline and at the age of 38-39 giving more chances is ridiculous. It is not that he will be around in 2012-13 to play test cricket for India. Plus, he is so out of form for so long. His place should go to a youngster.

  • on December 27, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    I am a hardcore Dravid fan from the day I saw him make his debut in England, I was thinking was there ever a way I could tell people in India to look beyond Sachin and then I came across this article... Harsha let me tell you... you command respect for such articles in many cricketing circles... Keep writing... :)

  • Milind_Jadhav on December 27, 2010, 4:05 GMT

    Vishal Gopal, Kallis was right in being unhappy that the contribution of the other players were overlooked...after all he took 143 tests to get to his first double hundred! Of all the players he should know what it takes to get to 38 centuries and acknowledging Sachin's feat would not have made him any lesser. Let us not confuse matters here. Test cricket has been played now for close to 135 years. Hundreds of matches and players and it took this fantastic player to be the first one to get to there. The circumstances are not relevant. So lets us not miss the woods for the trees. I find Harsha's comparisons rather silly to say the least. Child splashing colour and a scientist! What the hell was dealing with Warne's leg stump attack about? Was not playing on the off-side in an innings of 241 any less? The one about F1 and Shooting is even worse! F1 drivers have to deal with all kinds of variables and how many variables do shooters deal with? Lets get real here! They are all winners.

  • on December 27, 2010, 21:21 GMT

    I must say, I missed this one too :( 12000 runs is monumental!!

  • on December 27, 2010, 18:48 GMT

    @Ravi_Musti: rocking comment..u jst snatched my thoughts & left me speechless..how come they challenged the thoughts of a man with more than 2 decades of experience sitting on cricinfo @all other guys fighting over who is better...both r legends & have won matches for India..Dravid has always been the unsung hero but I don't think he minds that..the pair of them have always been my favourite test players playing truly for india..if sachin is in a much better form and flow than dravid the vice-versa was the situation in 2002-03....

  • Gulshan_Grover on December 27, 2010, 17:52 GMT

    Dravid has been a great batsman for India and we all love him a lot, but he is way past his sell date....he should go now so we can induct younger players one by one, otherwise all the men of the golden generation will be gone at once in couple years time (Sachin, Laxman etc.) and we will be left holding the bucket just like Australia.

    Loyalty towards a certain player should never exceed loyalty for Team india. Cheers :)

  • 114_in_final_Six_overs on December 27, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    Rahul Dravid, no doubt a great batsman once, has become the albatross around India's neck. Neither he is retiring, nor being shown the door, and he is definitely not batting like a dominant number 3 that India needs. Apart from few centuries on dead tracks against some very ordinary opposition he has nothing to show for. Emperor has no cloth and no one wants to point this out. Hopefully, now that he has scored 12K runs and taken 200 catches he will call it a day and not make team India suffer any more. He has now failed in all 4 innings of this test series and that is definitely one of the reasons India is struggling to compete despite brave efforts from others.

  • Biophysicist on December 27, 2010, 12:10 GMT

    @NoCountry_for_OldMan: If one who has scored two centuries in the last series with an average of 110.25 is in terminal decline, just after one relatively poor performance in the present series, I wonder why you did not say the same of Sachin after the NZ series (when his average was in the low 30s)? For your information, Dravid averages over 46 so far in this calendar year, i.e., upto the end of the 1st test in SA. It is an average most test players would be happy for their career not when they are out of form, which has been the case with Dravid in the recent times. Please look up statistics before making statements.

  • on December 27, 2010, 9:30 GMT

    Dravid:Scored nearly 23% of the total runs put up by India (with a batting average of 102.84) in the 21 Test matches won under Ganguly's captaincy. This is the highest percentage contribution by any batsman in Test cricket history in matches won under a single captain where the captain has won more than 20 Tests.Only player to score a century against every Test playing nation away from home.Averages 66 in matches won (43), 78 in matches won abroad (18). off cricinfo (same period) sachin dravid 49 52 matches won 4580 4748 runs scored 68.37 66.87 average 17 13 100s (6 200+ each) 16 22 50s Equal number of 50s to 16 dravid has 16 100s to tendulkar's 17 55.9 47.71 SR lets compare SR with lesser balls dravid is 57.95 to sachin 55.9. in short sachin is greatand so is dravid don't disaccount the wall

  • Biophysicist on December 27, 2010, 5:18 GMT

    Gulshan_Grover and Hema_Adhikari: I don't understand how you people can be so critical when Dravid doesn't perform in a test, but be blind to the non-performance of Sachin? Why didn't you call for the head of Tendulkar when he failed to score even one century against NZ in the last series? Even Haribhajan got two centuries in that series? If Dravid has become the problem now, wasn't Tendulkar the problem then, not to speak of his poor run from 2003-2007, when he averaged just 39.54 against all countries (both home and away combined), excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe (47.31 if these two countries are included). How does it compare with Dravid's average of 56.55 (58.42 if you include Zimbabwe and Bangladesh) for the same period against the same opposition during the same period? Who among these two was boosting his average against weak opposition? Did you guys ask for Tendulkar to be dropped then, since he was the problem at that time?

  • NoCountry_for_OldMan on December 27, 2010, 4:47 GMT

    I agree with Gulshan, RD seems to be in terminal decline and at the age of 38-39 giving more chances is ridiculous. It is not that he will be around in 2012-13 to play test cricket for India. Plus, he is so out of form for so long. His place should go to a youngster.

  • on December 27, 2010, 4:41 GMT

    I am a hardcore Dravid fan from the day I saw him make his debut in England, I was thinking was there ever a way I could tell people in India to look beyond Sachin and then I came across this article... Harsha let me tell you... you command respect for such articles in many cricketing circles... Keep writing... :)

  • Milind_Jadhav on December 27, 2010, 4:05 GMT

    Vishal Gopal, Kallis was right in being unhappy that the contribution of the other players were overlooked...after all he took 143 tests to get to his first double hundred! Of all the players he should know what it takes to get to 38 centuries and acknowledging Sachin's feat would not have made him any lesser. Let us not confuse matters here. Test cricket has been played now for close to 135 years. Hundreds of matches and players and it took this fantastic player to be the first one to get to there. The circumstances are not relevant. So lets us not miss the woods for the trees. I find Harsha's comparisons rather silly to say the least. Child splashing colour and a scientist! What the hell was dealing with Warne's leg stump attack about? Was not playing on the off-side in an innings of 241 any less? The one about F1 and Shooting is even worse! F1 drivers have to deal with all kinds of variables and how many variables do shooters deal with? Lets get real here! They are all winners.

  • ravi_musti on December 26, 2010, 17:43 GMT

    @Gulshan Grover : 'He huffs and puffs to centuries against Bang and NZ on flat tracks'. Okay. And what did the other batsman do, say in the NZ series. If it was such a batting paradise why didn't Sachin, Laxman etc get two centuries? If you weren't a practicer of hypocrisy then you should agree that these guys didn't even perform on mediocre flat batting pitches, what the hell will they be able to do in bowling friendly condtions? Lets drop them and get it done with. Instead we should rope in the likes of Pujara, Vijay and someother Ranji one timer to replace these guys and then all will be right in the world. Well, sorry. But that is a load of scrap. Sachin, Gambhir and Dhoni had a bad series against the NZ and Dravid had a good one. We didn't respond by dropping the three. And similarly Sachin, Gambhir and Dhoni had a good series batting so far and Dravid not so much. It would be stupid to drop him after two centuries in the last four matches and one bad match.

  • ravi_musti on December 26, 2010, 17:35 GMT

    Some guy says Sachin has low match winning hundreds, and to him, get a life loser. Check records before talking nonsense. And we also have a barrage of fellows here who blame Sachin, the guy who top scored in both innings for the loss instead of the bowlers who couldn't get five wickets, let alone twenty, and other batsmen who did scrap. If that is your point the joke's on you guys. These guys also blame Sachin for staying not out. What else would you rather want? Him to get out and leave it for the last two? In another thread there was a comment which said that the term 'farming the strike' comes up when there is less than a session to go, not when there's a whole day and FYI the weather predictions didn't say only two hours of game. If anyone thinks Sachin could've shielded the last two for a day's play then their IQ is so very low I'm shocked they managed to type out their thoughts. As someone said, given a chance, these guys will blame Sachin for everything including World War II

  • on December 26, 2010, 14:07 GMT

    i quite agree wit HArsha here, Dravid never gets enough credit for his deeds. Dravid has only 32 test tons compared to TEndulkar's 50, but the former's tons have been found to be more useful in winning causes than TENDULKAR'S , which will , am sure , surprise most Indian cricket fans. Dravid gets a lot of flak when he hasn't done well , but tht was not the case wit Tendulkar( during 2004- 2007, a similar slump in form ). The Indians think he is GOD n all that. But Dravid is also a DEMI- GOD, atleast for me. I wish Dravid had played in a diffrent era than Tendulkar, he would hav got more limelight and credit than what tendulkar gets now..

  • D.Sharma on December 26, 2010, 13:40 GMT

    Pujara threw his wicket away! He did a Sehwag! I'm not blaming him entirely, after all it's just his 2nd match and he's only 22. All that hype about his technique and temperment must have got to him! Still I would prefer him over Raina and has 3 more innings in SA in tough conditions to make me eat my words!

  • D.Sharma on December 26, 2010, 13:28 GMT

    @Gulshan_Grover.. last year when Dravid scoed 177. India were 32-4. Get some brains and do some research before bashing!!

  • MaruthuDelft on December 26, 2010, 12:34 GMT

    Dravid gone; he is unable to concentrate for long now. Laxman does not look like a sportsman at all; that belly!!! India must drop all older players including Sehwag and start recruiting players like Pujara.

  • MaruthuDelft on December 26, 2010, 12:03 GMT

    See See how Tendulkar batted.Second Test first innings. Certainly he is not that great as painted. His populairty is due to the fact he entered at 16 and has been consistent. However he is not a great player like Viv Richards. He just doesn't have that champion's mind.

  • nikhilt on December 26, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    Truely agree with Harsha...Gr8 Analysis..

    People should not fuhget that dravid has compromised a lot for indian team. He has played at many positions whenever it is required for the team. Also ha has done wicket-keeping when it was required. i watch test match only to see his technique and his style.. he has most match winning innings in his kit than any other indian player.. For me he is Gr8 Cricketer, gr8 human being, gr8 character.. Thumbs UP for JAMMIE.. \m/

  • Umamahesh_Srigiriraju on December 26, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    @anilkichu and cmloga, be prepared for a barrage of accusations mates. Sachin is beyond criticism. Don't you know that? Yes Harsha, please let us know your viewpoint considering the whole context, weather included, of the match. What was the rationale in taking single of the first or second ball and going off the strike? What is the rationale in calling for a single of the 5th ball of an over to go on to the strike? That was pretty poor cricket from Sachin which needs clarification. That approach, at least, isn't making any cricketing sense. Then what was it Harsha in your opinion?

  • Gulshan_Grover on December 26, 2010, 5:47 GMT

    Rahul Dravid should go. He has become the problem. When was the last time he scored runs when chips were down? He huffs and puffs to a century against bowling of NZ and Bangladesh on flat tracks but consistently creates pressure against stronger teams. His batting (along with Harbhajan Singh's bowling) and poor catching has become an eye sore lately. The once great batsman has been replaced by someone who is hanging by the nail like a Ponting and harming the team in the process.

  • Sonali_despande on December 26, 2010, 2:51 GMT

    Dravid's achievement overlooked again!. Rahul Dravid is the greatest matchwinner batsman India has ever produced....

  • cmloga on December 26, 2010, 2:28 GMT

    Very good point raised by anilkichu. Unfortunately that's the erason why Sachin despite all the runs he scores is never quite regarded as a true match winner and the accusation of letting his team down when needed most rings mostly true. The way he palyed on day 5 was quite disappointing - it seemed moitvated by averages. Hussey at the same time got himseld out going for runs in Perth test and was least bit bothered about his average. Truly a team man.

  • on December 25, 2010, 22:31 GMT

    India can blame some of their poor result in the first test on the flip of a coin. Conditions for batting on that first day would have been difficult for any team. India are notorious for being uncomfortable with bounce and seam movement. And they just happened to run into Steyn and Morkel when they were bowling at their best - and fastest. They bowled rather badly on day two. Day three, AB de Villiers was ruthless, he put the already-demoralised bowlers to the sword. He's in the most remarkable form at the moment and, by the time he arrived at the crease, the Indian attack was finished. India batted well in the second innings, particularly Tendulkar and Dhoni. They'll want to draw on that performance and carry it forward to be more competitive this time around. Unfortunately for them, they still have Steyn and Morkel to deal with, and Sreesanth still has to bowl to Amla, Kallis and AB. On the positive side for them, Zaheer is back so at least they can be sure of one wicket - Graeme!

  • anilkichu on December 25, 2010, 21:32 GMT

    Harsha, I respect ur comments abt Dravid & Sachin. But, the great Sachin, the GOD of cricket doesn't have any cricketing brain ? As per the weather predictions, only 2 hours game was possible on the final day of the last test and we'd our god in one end and 2 tailendors. Instead of keeping the maximum strikes, it seems he was interested in increasing his personal average by being not out. Most of Indian batsmen, except greats like Viru, are interested to keep their average high. They've to watch Hussey's game in worst conditions than this and still saving or winning matches for Australia. Our very very special Laxman had played several times like sachin. If Sachin really wanted to save the match, he could've done that, otherwise there's no point getting maximum number of records. Smith was surprised about Indian teams strategy on 5th day. Harsha, I want a response from u about Sachin's attittude on the 5th day.

  • Hema_Adhikari on December 25, 2010, 21:18 GMT

    It is quite clear that Rahul Dravid should be dropped from the test team along with Raina ( he is busy giving slip practice) and Harbhajan Singh (never turns a ball even by mistake) to make India competitive. These people don't have much left in them and they have become the burden on the team. They are like steam engines, useful once, but now only relics of the past. Get in talented new blood if India wants to compete and win..

  • on December 25, 2010, 17:58 GMT

    Rahul Dravid has the most match winning test 100s...and then Laxman and Sehwag have.. Sachin has records but not much remarkable 100s in Tests..!!

  • on December 25, 2010, 17:41 GMT

    Nice Article Harsha........ Everyone must get the respect they deserve. Dravid is a great batsman

  • Tiger-Khan on December 25, 2010, 16:43 GMT

    This just shows the bloated egos and exaggerated class of the likes of Raina & some other Batsman.....just show The great MAN is a class apart....and other then Sachin only Dravid looked comfortable on that first day wicket....how exposed was Raina...true he is king on dead indian wix but was brutallly xposed on those wickets....AND other then Zaheer can somebodyh please tell one decent bowler in this team?? only one ?? ok half a bowler ..nah nothing...

  • on December 25, 2010, 16:39 GMT

    Let us do some soul searching and make real good comments after first test loss by India. Zahir should not have been taken to SA. Why every test new fast bowler is tried what happened to Abhimanyu taken to srilanka and Vinit kumar who played earlier. After the debacle in Nagpur test against SA where India lost badly no lesson is learnt . Why still Shrikant is not removed and put behind the bar .Has Sonia Gandhi to order his removal as she did for Kalmadi for mismanaging the selection by making SAHA play the test as a batsman there.Is the board so much bankrupt that any other good bat could not be flown there in emergency.

    Sachin should be dropped for one test for not saving innings defeat on the last day and only playing for his record. Raina is known to be not able to play short pitch stuff why Yuvraj is not selected instead. Is he being punished still forr IPL debacle.Gambhir should be made captain ,success has gone into Dhoni's head ,he is very unlucky in not winning tosses also

  • on December 25, 2010, 16:38 GMT

    His Comparison of Dravid & Tendulkar in the Article is Mind-Blowing...It was truly disappointing that though India lost the Match,it was more remembered for Tendulkar' achievement & not a single soul bothered to speak abt Dravid's achievement..Kallis was right in the Press Conference,they were the Winners & the efforts & records of their players should not have been overshadowed by Tendulkar's achievement!

  • sherishahmir on December 25, 2010, 16:31 GMT

    Really disappointing for indians and in special we feel sorry for for people like Harsha, S Manjrekar, Shastari and many more who really work hard to raise the standard of Indian cricket and cricketers over the past many years.Its is an oppurtunity and challenge for Indian to prove they are the leading side of test cricket if they can beat S Africa and Australia in their backyards otherwise it would be a blackspot on their face to be termed number one team without beating two most formidable sides in their backyards.I guess still indian team has the oppurtunity to acheive the first landmark by beating SA in SA and to that all team members has to show their characters and take the game v seriously, definately they have the talent and potential.The bowling department needs to work v hard and a combination of Z khan, H singh, Ishant and one more good bowler can be effective, the batting combination should be same (Raina deserves one more chance), wish them good luck. (Pakfan-Lahore)

  • on December 25, 2010, 16:13 GMT

    Bhogle is not making any sense After the defeat any one can make any comment .Most of the Indian players did go early to get acclaimatize as per the insistance of coach Kirstain.Bhogle should be punished for making such nonsense claim. Truth is India was beaten completely and squarely. The main and real reason of defeat is Indians don't plan any strategy to get opposite players out as opposite teams plan to get Sewag ,Dravid Raina out. Indians have no strategy to get Amla out where as all other teams get Amla out reasonably easily

  • Iftekharul_Hasan_Siam on December 25, 2010, 15:51 GMT

    media support is something that Dravid & VVS Laxman got little in their career. I can remember in 2006 or 07, before the start of Sachin's renaissance, some indian newspapers published false news that BCCI doesn't want to see the 'fabulous five' any more in indian national team in the upcoming year. when india lose a test : indian media used to shout : get laxman out of the team. when they miss any catch, some newspapers feature it with great importance & indirectly write that they need to retire, they became aged! this underestimation of dravid & laxman is mostly done by indian media (especially newspapers). not by the general public. to whom dravid & laxman was always in the heart, and they will be in the heart forever.

  • on December 25, 2010, 15:44 GMT

    Money from the ODI series with Newzealand was too much to give up and find space for practice matches... until the priority changes cricket and then money... we will continue to see this....

  • on December 25, 2010, 15:20 GMT

    So very true. And beautifully written as usual, Harsha. In fact, I cannot help but get a feeling that it was not just Dravid's achievement that was lost in the celebration of Sachin's 50th tonne, the fact that the so-called best team in the world got a terrible hammering escaped notice too. It all harked back to the 1983-84 series against the West Indies when we tried to console ourselves with Gavaskar equalling and then surpassing Bradman's record of centuries and then becoming the most prolific batsman in Test history even as Lloyd's side were belabouring the Indian team, who incidentally had just been crowned World Champions. This sounds so familiar.

  • pun_rsk on December 25, 2010, 14:46 GMT

    first and fore most for good indian cricket selection comity chairman SRIKANTHI should be kicked , bcoz he always try to fill the players of his state

  • pun_rsk on December 25, 2010, 14:42 GMT

    of course i agree with harsha , one thing that indian cricket is about making rumors but not understanding what the real cricket

  • on December 25, 2010, 13:47 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is the best warrior for Indian Cricket.. People started reckoning India since India started winning tests on overseas pitches under Ganguly's captaincy and all because of Dravid's persistent big and match winning 100's and 200's... I am 100% ag with Harsha's comments.. Sachin may have most 100s in test matches But Dravid has most match winning and match saving 100's for India; which is far more important. Dravid never goes for publicity and for records.. He along with Laxman and Sehwag are unsung heroes of India.. Best Indian innings ever : Dravid's 233 & 81* v AUS in Adelaide.. when wkts are falling around, and Laxman's 281,Dravid's 180 in Kolkata v/s AUS; Dravid's 148 v Eng in early seaming conditions.. Dravid's fighting 270 v/s Pakistan in Rawalpindi..Dravid's superb match winning 81 runs in a low scoring test v/s WI in Barbados Test by which India won the test series v/s WI for the 1st time in 36 years.. Dravid's 191 v/s NZ recently..and many other countless innings.

  • on December 25, 2010, 13:37 GMT

    correct harsha.!!.....really gud article!!This article points reality .Dravid is one man whose value is recognized only in his absence..Dravid is unobtrusive but when he retires the gaping void will be very hard to fill!!

  • jay57870 on December 25, 2010, 13:31 GMT

    Harsha, how quickly you forget: Just last month you were questioning Rahul in "A second wind for Dravid?". Plus there's no point in getting into the comparison game: It's an analytical exercise in futility. Team India is stronger precisely because both Sachin and Rahul complement one another (in their differences). Importantly, they have something priceless in common. It's an intangible called Staying Power: physical endurance and mental toughness. It's the ability to handle adversity; to play through pain and injury; to bounce back from fatigue and slumps; and, yes, to face the constant scrutiny of the media (!) and public, and even outside threats. Along with Laxman and Zaheer, they bring stability to the team. And synergy. The total (team) is greater than the sum of the (individual) parts. Success in cricket is all about Staying Power. Records and landmarks are only a visible result of their invisible contributions. And so we, the cricket-loving public, salute both Sachin and Rahul.

  • on December 25, 2010, 12:28 GMT

    Yes Harsha, in the end, people will only remember who won the game!! Achieving personal landmarks are great, but people will only remember the things the entire team has done correctly, and what they have done successfully!! We Indians would surely like to forget the recently concluded First Test Match in South Africa in a hurry!!

  • Chilambarasan on December 25, 2010, 8:02 GMT

    I think u want to mark u r presence in the media since u r not invited for any of the ICC or cricket related events for Commentary position U have to Consult a Psychopathic Syndicalist in Mumbai....................! i am Sure if u Continue writing feeds lyk tis U ill Be Sidelined from the media from which u earn huge money....!

  • UtpalKhardenavis on December 25, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    I agree with what Harsha has said, Our media seems to be after some sports persons and doesn't pay attention to other stalwarts. Sachin Tendulkar, Mahendra Dhoni are media's favorites but the same medai can turn Heroes into Villains.That is not to say that these players , Sachin and Dhoni aren't good they are simply great. I think out two guys, Dravid and just retired Kumble, former captains, both of them haven't got attention or due credit they deserved. May be Laxman can also be added to the list. These persons who are humble and not much flamboyant have also contributed immensely to India's achievements. Don't care what others say, but I salute you guys and Congragulations, Jammie. Whenever you are still on the crease I get the feeling that yes, India is still in the match.

  • on December 25, 2010, 7:48 GMT

    Well said, harsha...your comments are really deserving .you analyse everything well before you speak out..how rare is it to find people, like you and Dravid..your comments show the power of dravid in indian cricket..it still hurts me that day when dravid war droped from ODI team just after he stepped down as captain..Dilip vengsarkar(selector) has done injustice towards the WALL....yet, dravid is so silent...CHEERS...... MR.DEPENDABLE...!!!

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 7:30 GMT

    And yes, I did see that belief. I saw it not only in the team but in the whole country. There were days, no years, when television sets were turned off when Sachin got out. There were days when Sachin's dismissal provoked violence in the crowd. There were days when Sachin's dismissal triggered a batting collapse and eventually a loss. That, I'm pretty sure, signifies the team's/country's belief in him. We can also call it 'inspiration' maybe?

  • on December 25, 2010, 7:29 GMT

    Dravid surely is one man who is an unsung hero in India cricket. With all due respect to the other 3 players, most of his 100s and crucial innings have been overshadowed by Sachin, Sourav and VVS where they got the chunk of the credit and Rahul was looked upon just as a supporting act. Unfortunately people fail to realize the importance of those supporting roles. Without his 180, VVS and Bhajji alone could not have been able to guide India to victory in the Kolkata Test. Without his brillant 100 at Leeds which was well supported by Bangar in terrible conditions for batting, Sachin and Sourav could not have blossomed in batsmen friendly conditions after the important first 2 sessions were seen off. The magnificent World Cup 100s in 1999 against Srilanka and Keyna are also another example. These are just a few but ya,the Double ton at Adelaide and the winning cut shot off Mcgill and Dravid kissing the India Cap after scoring the winning runs would would be edged in our memories forever

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 7:27 GMT

    @ Kshitij Sinha : All the more reason why you should be able to appreciate Sachin. I still don't get your great player concept. What I get from what you're saying summarizes to : "If a player is great he can inspire any team in the world to victory." So basically Sachin should "inspire" the whole squad. That frankly beats my mind. The best Sachin can do in that respect is play very well, give pep talks and hope that the rest of the team plays well. Two of those are in his control, the third, completely out of it. I know he plays well, I see him giving pep talks and I'm pretty sure he hopes for the well being of the Indian team, so I *think* we can safely say he's fulfilled his commitments. Now regarding the rest of India? Now that is a thing to ponder

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 7:18 GMT

    @ Middlestump : I don't bad mouth any player. Every cricketer is great in his own respect. But I just cannot stand it if someone like us, who just watch international cricket presume to judge the likes of Dravid and Sachin. And yes, I think I get your point, unfortunate but true nevertheless. It is extremely fortunate that criticism hasn't affected Sachin, Dravid or Laxman.

  • on December 25, 2010, 7:07 GMT

    Dravid has scored 1000 runs in just an year. Hardly it was Nov 09 when Dravid scored a match saving 177 and put India in command but there was no reaction around the ground and in the media.Similar things happened When He reached the 12000 runs mark, there was no reaction from the media and his team mates. Where did all those adjectives that described Sachins, and Pontings gone? Media has been so cruel with Dravid.

  • on December 25, 2010, 6:48 GMT

    I have not gone through all the comments...but still i believe the people who are taking jibes at two of the greatest cricketers India has ever produced should come and play cricket even for an hour in a ranji match....they will know what it is like....these super humans (tendlya and jammie) have done what many can only dream of...absolutely gibberish comments on these greats of them....what a big shame...

  • jayesh1508 on December 25, 2010, 6:44 GMT

    Mr Bhogle i read your article and its correct that all of us do forget Dravids contribution to the team but saying indian team was not ready for the tour i dont think is correct. just see how the team batted in the 3rd innings. it was difficult for south africa to get them out. and if the rain had not played foil on day one we may well have a drawn of a indian victory and not a south african victory. so we cant say south africa is the dominant team. only after second test we can say that indian are under prepared or south africa had a thumping win. as far as bowling is concerned yeah indian team lacks depth at the moment, but the pitch also didnt help anyone as demonstrated by lack of penetration of south african bowler ranked in top five in the world . so please lets stop critism for them an pray that they have a fair weather.

  • on December 25, 2010, 6:43 GMT

    No matter what u guys think but i can proudly say i live in the league of ( Tendulkar) greatest batsmen in history world cricket.....

  • TheOnlyEmperor on December 25, 2010, 6:36 GMT

    SRT, Dravid and Sehwag are inspirational in their OWN ways and have their own strengths. Sachin is a fighter who epitomised individual excellence to the Indian sports fan. He brought hope, cheer and selfbelief to people across walks of life that they too could excel. People CONNECT to him, to his self-effacing personality across India. A real life hero to all. His century was their century. His record was theirs. That's why people LOVE SRT. Dravid stands for determination, calm and solidness. He's the seemingly average guy who consistently performed. Mr Reliable. He never liked being called "The Wall". Never saw himself as one. He had a role to play as no3 and he played THIS role for the TEAM. He is India's backbone, making the team stand proud and tall. Sehwag epitomised raw talent, quiet aggression and free spirit. He epitomised excellence by keeping things simple. He shows what's possible. Sehwag can hit a TRIPLE anytime in form - strikes terror in opposition. He's a wow!

  • MiddleStump on December 25, 2010, 6:04 GMT

    Ravi_musti, very true. That is the difference between God and a great human being. God cannot make a single mistake but even the greatest human being is expected to make mistakes sometimes. Laxman adopted the same strategy as Tendulkar and it worked in Mohali. It has more to do with the guts of the tail ender and luck. If Tendulkar even though for a second that he could shield 10 and 11 for 80 overs, his IQ would be less than that of a club cricketer. Also, have you observed the resounding silence in the entire media regarding Laxman? Bowled playing across the line in the first innings, caught while driving with his feet nowhere near the pitch of the ball in the second innings. Dismissed in single digits in both innings. Can you imagine the outcry if Tendulkar had failed and got out in this manner in both innings? See he is God and so he is not allowed to make such mistakes. Laxman can do so because he is a great human. So nobody questions him in disbelief. That is the difference.

  • TheOnlyEmperor on December 25, 2010, 5:43 GMT

    Dravid has faced more balls in Test cricket than any other Test batsman in the world. That is extremely valuable at the No3 position. Stability of the No3 helps in creating partnerships. Look at the number of partnerships that Dravid has been in. People get swayed by the No of centuries, but look at the number of 50s he's put on! That's consistency. And look at the number of zeros - far lesser than any batsman! Which means, he ensures wickets don't fall in a heap. I'm yet to see Dravid take his eyes off the ball, especially facing a bouncer, let alone take it on the head. As far as I'm concerned, SRT n Sehwag would have long retired from cricket had they been playing in the helmetless era, given the "headers" they have taken. The only guy who was better and brilliant when sighting the bouncer was GAVASKAR. Oh, so pleeeeese! Don't tell us how good SRT/Sehwag are when it comes to playing technique. People admire a tall building, they seldom think of the foundation - that's Dravid!

  • Samgen on December 25, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    To all Indian cricket fans arguing on this discussion board on who is the better player and why.... We are lucky to have so many great players playing for India in this decade. Please enjoy them for what they are rather than attempting to make comparisons. It is perfectly fine to have your favorite player, just realize that it does not mean everyone else have to share your point of view and you don't need to bad mouth other players for your choice to look great. These players are great because of what they have achieved, not because of what someone says about them or not.

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 5:12 GMT

    @ Srinik Cricket : He made 241 at a strike rate of 56. He made a double century! Against the finest bowling attack since the Windies order of the 80s. Okay so what would you rather have him do? I'm really curious about what you would want. I mean, hmmm, you are facing the world's greatest bowling attack in their own backyard, you've played only four test matches all of the previous year, you've come back from a career threatening surgery on your elbow and you aren't satisfied with a strike rate of 56 which corresponds to around 3.36 runs per over. What would've satisfied you? A Sehwag like blitzkrieg, which frankly wouldn't have gotten him to 241. Because if you aren't satisfied with his performance on that day I don't know what would. I don't think anything will.

  • Kshitij_Sinha on December 25, 2010, 5:03 GMT

    @Ravi_musti - Ok man. He is an amazing player. But you don't get it. I have played domestic cricket and here only performance matters. By that, Tendulkar is truly great. But at the international level, its about creating an atmosphere; thats what great players do. When you watch India, do you seriously see that? Do you see that belief in the team even when he is batting? Not in this match, but over his career. I just don't see Tendulkar helping in creating that atmosphere of belief, and I believe great players do that. Thats why those players make amazing teams. Imran Khan, Kapil Dev just to mention a few from our part of the world. Do you see that aura in Tendulkar? Because I don't and barely ever have. I am sorry but I just don't think he is a Great player. He is a darn good one though. Ganguly by the way had that belief, and he lead a team to new heights. I didn't see Tendulkar doing that. And thats all I have to say. Cheers

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 4:57 GMT

    @ Hema Adhikari : You call for him to be dropped? After one test's performance where everyone barring Dhoni and Sachin failed? He is in form man! He has two centuries in the last series. Did you also call for Tendulark to be dropped during the NZ series also? Because if I remember rightly he wasn't performing that well. Harbhajan had a better batting record for heaven's sake. How unjust this is! And by dear God, Dravid sucks?? I also see that there is one obnoxious person with that pseudonym. How can Cricinfo allow such names? Dravid is the second best batsman India has ever produced, after Sachin. I know Gavaskar's troupe will be angered but believe it. His records speak for him. I'd advise all of you who hate Dravid so much to check out his Batting Summary on statsguru. You'll be surprised. Enough said.

  • MiddleStump on December 25, 2010, 4:45 GMT

    Besides not having a practice game, Harsha has ignored another decision made by the imbecile selectors of India. With astonishing brilliance, 19 year old Unadkat was pitchforked into the test and asked to bowl to Smith, Amla and Kallis presumably to get them out. How on earth an undersized kid with a top speed of 120 km and no movement was expected to achieve that is beyond comprehension. It is also foolish to connect Tendulkar's record with the ultimate result of the match. Tendulkar makes a hundred in every 5.7 innings which is at least every third test. No country can be expected to win every third test they play over a period of 20 consecutive years. Certainly not India by any means. Besides, there are 10 others on the Indian team many with good batting reputations. Had they matched Tendulkar's contribution in the first innings, India would have scored 400. It works both ways. May be the time has come to ask how well the others have supported Tendulkar with the bat and ball.

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 4:43 GMT

    @ Rahul Bhandari : Laxman did the same on the final day against Australia at Mohali. He gave Ishant the strike and Ishant batted well. Back then it was called confidence in the tail ender and that it was a great quality to have blah blah. That was so because it worked out. Ishant didn't get out and instead went on to bat in one of the greatest upsets of all time. The same was done here. Sachin rotated the strike and look whats said. He plays to improve averages. Ouch! This after so much service to the game. The fighting 175 against Australia, the outstanding 103 against England, these at the age of 37 when others would have been happily sitting in their armchair passing comments about other cricketers and we say he isn't great. He doesn't inspire. He is selfish. Its a sorry state of affairs in India.

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 4:36 GMT

    Cricinfo maintains on Tendulkar's page the following, I'd advise you take a look and then comment about pressure : Tendulkar's considerable achievements seem greater still when looked at in the light of the burden of expectations he has had to bear from his adoring but somewhat unreasonable followers, who have been prone to regard anything less than a hundred in each innings as a failure. The aura may have dimmed, if only slightly, as the years on the international circuit have taken their toll on the body, but Tendulkar remains, by a distance, the most worshipped cricketer in the world. As you can see, they also mention "aura". Whether tangible or not I'd not know and not care. Because for me, and most of the cricketing world, the man is a God. The decade's greatest athletes, Federer, Schumacher, Armstrong, Woods, Bryant were all kids or teenagers who could only dream of such greatness when Tendulkar first walked onto the pitch. They rose, they shone and they set but he shines. Still.

  • ravi_musti on December 25, 2010, 4:32 GMT

    @ Kshitij_Sinha : Greatness? Aura? Scratch that, *tangible* aura? Are we still talking cricket here or have we moved onto spirituality? Cricket, I'll remind you, is a team game. Its not tennis where you're called great by showcasing the number of grand slams you've won. Tendulkar can't be blamed for India's meagre performance over the years and neither can Dravid or Ganguly or Kumble or any single player for that matter. It was that India, as a team, failed. The all conquering Aussies of the last decade were that, all conquering because they, as a team, succeeded. If the bowling fails, you blame Sachin? If the fielding was miserable again Sachin should shoulder it? We have the greatest batsman of the century walking amongst us who "owns all records worth owning" in batting and you call him not great? That is blasphemy if there ever was. And Tendulkar didn't bat under pressure?? You've been watching cricket for the past how many years? Two? Three? Continued

  • Netmaniac on December 25, 2010, 4:11 GMT

    so, suddenly, all of u make sachin look like a liability.... we say, there is no impact to the team even thro his greatness.. this is typical, and sachin is performing despite this.. come on guys.. We talk about Dravid, Laxman and similar ones performance, but they are not consistent.. they are not making any impact to the team... but, sachin's does.. quietly though.. and all of us just dont seem to accept this.. 2009-10 is a great example. India is not number 1 team by chance.. it reached this pinnacle because both Sachin and Sehwag have performed exceptionally well in these years.. without their contribution this wouldnt have been possible... as harsha will agree, you cant be transactional... most statistician look at trend and aggregates, not just one or two incidences... someone like sachin cannot scrape thro their eyes and called great for the heck of it.. so, stop being a saddist, and enjoy the moments that this genius is giving us for the last 2 decades, selflessly...

  • NoCountry_for_OldMan on December 25, 2010, 4:01 GMT

    So called "cricket fans" do not seem to be able to appreciate the fact that Tendulkar has got some 31000 international runs, with 96 international hundreds, spread over 2 decades, vs all opposition, all bowlers , all over the world, in all conditions, and even after a host of career threatening injuries that would have ended the careers of most mortals...STILL at the end of it averages more than his peers!! This guy is the singular Batting Collosus after Bradman...and celebrate and cherish him we must. If some folks "don't get it" .......so be it, too bad. Correction, even I have lost tract. 96 hundreds not 94 :)

  • on December 25, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    Ok, so many batsmen in India live in SRTs shadow. For the most part they deal with it. the could not have gotten this far if not. But what is important here is that milestones do not produce results. How different it would have been if Dravid's and Tendulkar achieved these milestones in a win.

  • Srinik_Cricket on December 25, 2010, 3:14 GMT

    Sachin Plays for himself..Here is one example.Syndney test in 2003-2004 series. The series was 1-1, the series was completely dominated by Dravid and Laxman and Shewag. Sachin got out almost every match by giving slip catches. So to prove a point he didnt even touch a ball on halfside.. He played completely onside. He made 200+(470 balls). In the second where a quick 50 is required he made 60(90). I feel this match we drwan becos of him. But everybody blamed Parthiv of dropping Steves Catch. I think a person with 15 years of batting experience and over 600-700 runs in sydney pitch could have played a better inning and after all it was a flat pitch. He just wanted to prove a point that he can score in Australia..He was least worried about India winning the series. He was more interested in hiself scoring a big one.

  • on December 25, 2010, 3:03 GMT

    Rahul Bhandari " He was set and there was message sent from the dressing room 6-7 overs before the declration was done. " ------------ you were the one who took that message to tendulkar??? Because it seems tendulkar never got any such message. In fact he was disappointed because of it. (this is based on John Write's version of story). If you have any proof that dravid sent a message then please post a link. Just do not spread false rumours.

  • on December 25, 2010, 2:57 GMT

    @Kshitij_Sinha " - no I am merely saying that if Tendulkar was great, India would win a lot more, " -------------- Why??? Did india win in first test because tendulkar did score a century. Tendulkar certainly did not fail in that match. And exactly the reason why india's win loss does not have much to do with how tendulkar does individually. Indian would have won many matches if other so called greats like dravid contributed even same as tendulkar did. It is not tendulkars fault that sehwag scores duck and gambhir gets out in 2nd and third over. Tendulkar has highest number of centuries in matches lost. We would have won all of those if dravid also made centuries or few other also made centuries. Blaming tendulkar because others are duds is stupidest thing to do.

  • Farce-Follower on December 25, 2010, 2:32 GMT

    Many wonder why overseas players praise SRT more...It is obvious...It is the politically correct and easy way to please and appease Indians...Even someone from Antartica knows his stay in India will be OK if he says the mandatory praise about SRT.

  • on December 25, 2010, 2:26 GMT

    @Prashant11 I remeber that game against pakstan. we were in commanding position and declaration was aroaund the corner and tendulkar was playing like we were plain to save the game. He also did that couple of matches before against aussies when he got his 241. Parthiv was playing more strokes than him and that was after he got almost 175 runs. He was set and there was message sent from the dressing room 6-7 overs before the declration was done. See how Graeme smith decalred when AB was on 278 he could have easily got 300 had he waited for another 5 overs looking at how AB plays. Its a team game and it should always be about team. Bu with sachin sometimes I feel he plays to improve his averages. Look how he exposed sreesanth and unadkat on final day. Look the game was lost but we could have avoided innings defeat. And its just not about giving strike to tail enders he was happy to get singles, a nit positive intent would have been better or may be he was too keen on being unbeaten

  • Rivaldoooo on December 25, 2010, 1:27 GMT

    Harsha likes Rahul Dravid and always supports the guy. But I really think Dravid needs to hang his boots and retire.. Harsha-I think you are great commentator and a great guy, but I think you praise Dravid too much.

  • Kshitij_Sinha on December 25, 2010, 1:16 GMT

    @Arjun Yadav - no I am merely saying that if Tendulkar was great, India would win a lot more, he would create an atmosphere of belief. Greatness is not performance, it is an atmosphere, a way of life. Tendulkar hasn't provided India that. As a matter of fact, anyone who performs lone hands a lot, like Tendulkar and Lara, are not great. They are merely thorns in the backside of the opposition which eventually crushes them.

  • Prashants17 on December 25, 2010, 0:51 GMT

    Sachin is popular not because of self promotion but due to how he has conducted himself in public life over the years, he has the world at his feet and has never ever misused the fact, Dravid on the other hand always seems to be carrying some internal grudge never overtly happy, I still remember his declaration when Sachin was close to a double hundred against Pakistan, would Sachin have done it while Dravid was at 196 probably not, public memory might be short but public image is lasting and it is formed by not a single act but by a lifetime actions, hence TENDULKAR>dravid.... and never the twain shall be equal.

  • on December 25, 2010, 0:26 GMT

    @Kshitij_Sinha so you are saying that is tendulkar's fault that dravid,laxman etc can not score as many runs as him. By your logic it is tendulkar's fault that all these players can not perform when needed. Why are we 1-0 down if dravid is that great?? And on the side note: Ponting now averaging 30s after he really had pressure after big ones retired. Tendulkar averaged 55-56 that period when he was under pressure. Big difference.

  • Rahulbose on December 24, 2010, 23:10 GMT

    Indians have not let themselves down, they have simply found out the true qualiy of their side. Main problem for India in Aus and SA has always been the same. They don't have a true pace bowler, so opposition can prepare lively tracks safe in the knowledge that Indian bowlers come with a built in speed limit.

    Unless they find a Shane bond or a Steyn among their ranks, they will always be in the same situation.

  • Umamahesh_Srigiriraju on December 24, 2010, 22:05 GMT

    @AvidCricFan, just my two cents - This is what you said, "Dravid on the other hand scratched through his 12,000 runs. This is the primary reason of lukewarm response". If that is the primary reason, then where and how did we celebrate when Dravid equalled Sir Don Bradman? Remember that century came from the back of another two scintillating centuries against Srilanka and several half centuries. Around that time, Dravid was scoring by the bucket loads. He was our highest scorer in 2009 with 747 in 10 innings, 206 runs more than Sachin (541 in 9 innings) by playing only one extra inning. He equalled Sir Don in the next series in Jan 2010, at a time when he was scoring by the bucket loads. Come on, let us admit that we didn't acknowledge yet another great landmark in a Legend's career as much as it deserves. That is on expected lines. Harsha, pulled us up for what we are worth and rightly so. A timely reminder by Harsha about Rahul Dravid and how unfair we have been towards him.

  • Kshitij_Sinha on December 24, 2010, 21:44 GMT

    @Karthic_Madanagopal - people expected to win like Ponting and Kaliis are under a lot more pressure than Tendulkar. Ponting loses one match, and its all doom and gloom for Australia. India gets destroyed, but you can't question them because no matter what anyone makes you believe, those players are likely to play again and again. Like who can kick Dravid, Sehwag, Dhoni, Tendulkar, Laxman, or before, Kumble, Ganguly out. You can't!!!! For Tendulkar to fail to live up to the people's expectations is OK, to fail himself, like he admits he has and like everyone does is what really hurts the guy. Tendulkar is a very very good batsmen, but he hasn't achieved greatness. As I said @McGorium he will if he creates an aura about himself. You will see that aura tangibly through the players getting all excited and winning just because one man wants them to so desperately. I am sure Tendulkar does, but till now, he hasn't shown that aura I am afraid.

  • Kshitij_Sinha on December 24, 2010, 21:33 GMT

    @McGorium..Man, of course bowlers over long periods are the ones that make great teams. Batsmen get you out of tough situations and set up victories for you. Playing the lone hand, and as you point out Tendulkar has for so many years, doesn't make you great. It doesn't make you win. And if Tendulkar really carried India as much as you all say he does, then surely his aura would have helped create a great team. It all looks spectacular, but it isn't. Its kind of like Lara was during the end of his career, and entertaining as that might have been, NO ONE saw the Windies rise. Lone performances don't get you anywhere!!!! Cricket is a game of atmosphere; a great player with an aura, like Shane Warne, can inspire a team out of nowhere. I am sorry, but I never saw that in Tendulkar. He at most inspires a future and I only hope that Tendulkar works with that future to create a great team.

  • AKG0479 on December 24, 2010, 21:29 GMT

    for patelhrishir.. in that case Sachin's contribution is larger than any one else.. U deduct Sachins 8788 from his total runs.. and U come to know that he scored almost 7K runs in those tests which India lost..now what does that mean for everyone of us ??

  • on December 24, 2010, 21:07 GMT

    @" mighty_cricket_lover" "If u d records and history Dravid has scored many runs in match saving/winning cause for India than did by SRT. SRT did score plenty of runs but only records." ------------------- You mean the match just finished where in first innings dravid scored 14 runs and then43 when we needed 490 runs. Dravid's runs are the runs for WINNINGs but we lost because tendulkar scored 36 and 111. How many matches we have lost because dravid did not score??? It seems to me that dravid can not score even for records. He shall retire now. He is worse than dhoni who made more runs.

  • on December 24, 2010, 21:03 GMT

    Rahul Dravid has equally contributed to indian cricket, in a way he was architect of more away wins in trying conditions, he deserves more respect, lets celebrate sachin and salute dravid.

  • coolgamer on December 24, 2010, 20:58 GMT

    i completely agree with UMAMAHESH,DRAVID is of course the best batsman ever produced by india but unfortunately most of his achievements are being overshadowed by the cricket fans

  • Gulshan_Grover on December 24, 2010, 20:51 GMT

    both are greats one is a legend though. The reason Dravid's 12000 did not get that much attention is because other people have already crossed that milestone. It is not one in lifetime kind of thing like 50 test centuries, 200 in ODI or upcoming attraction 100 international centuries. People notice when someone does stuff totally unique. SIMPLE.

  • AvidCricFan on December 24, 2010, 20:25 GMT

    One other fact Harsha is missed stating is Sachin went into scoring 50th century at his peak form scoring runs in tons. Dravid on the other hand scratched through his 12,000 runs. This is the primary reason of lukewarm response. I personally think if RD continues to play like has in the past 12 months, his days of Int'l career are numbered. He is almost 38. It doesn't get any better at this age.

  • Soham.Bhattacharya on December 24, 2010, 20:03 GMT

    Sachin is Sachin a Legend a class batsman ..one of the best...But dravid is great too He has done alot for India and is amazing personally he is my favourite batsman in test cricket... Love his determination and the way he has helped Indai to win or produce a result...

    For me Kumble is the match winner and the best team test cricketer India has have had recently..After which its sachin then Dravid...

    Amongst cricketers who i admire are.. shane Warne,WasimAkram,Anikl Kumble,Kallis,Sachin,Lara,Macgrath and Dravid.. I think these are the best indiviual and team players of our time...

  • Umamahesh_Srigiriraju on December 24, 2010, 20:02 GMT

    I can't help but wonder if Harsha was reading my mind. Harsha, you deserve a pat on your back for acknowledging Dravid's tremendous personal achievement in your column, at a time when the whole nation, including our Prime Minister, got carried away by Sachin's personal achievement and we as a nation also ignored the fact that we lost the match. BTW, was there any mention of Dravid, in the media, when he equalled and then surpassed the Great Don Bradman in the century count? We, as expected, missed those two moments of history as well. No wonders there, Harsha! Unfortunate, but that's the reality. Dravid has scored more number of runs over the last decade than any other Indian Batsman and once you add the contexts of the matches to those runs, he stands tall, head and shoulders above any of the Indian Batsmen. He is indeed Rahul Dravid, The Wall. What a player! We are fortunate to be able to watch cricket in this era when Dravid is batting.

  • on December 24, 2010, 19:59 GMT

    Excellent point by Harsha. Rahul Dravid has played such a pivotal role in the team's success and growth that the lack of recognition is quite sad. But even sadder is the nature of the comments from many people about sacking him.

    Personally, I believe that the steely resolve that allowed Dravid to withstand any trying conditions anywhere will see him play a few more distinguished knocks and he will know when to call it a day.

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 19:53 GMT

    Also outside the sub continent Dravid has scored about 5100 runs whereas Sachin has scored 4300 runs(After 1996).

  • vsssarma on December 24, 2010, 19:52 GMT

    Dravid in his last 32 test matches (3 years) has a poor strike rate of 44 which is lower than the strike rate of Harbhajan Singh which is 64.

  • NoCountry_for_OldMan on December 24, 2010, 19:49 GMT

    So called "cricket fans" do not seem to be able to appreciate the fact that Tendulkar has got some 31000 international runs, with 96 international hundreds, spread over 2 decades, vs all opposition, all bowlers , all over the world, in all conditions, and even after a host of career threatening injuries that would have ended the careers of most mortals...STILL at the end of it averages more than his peers!! This guy is the singular Batting Collosus after Bradman...and celebrate and cherish him we must. If some folks "don't get it" .......so be it, too bad.

    Correction, even I have lost tract. 96 hundreds not 94 :)

  • sunnymachoo on December 24, 2010, 19:34 GMT

    Tendulkar and Dravid are the only two Indian players that I always respect and admire. Tendulkar is undoubtedly the greatest cricketer ever, in my opinion. And Dravid is a rock solid batsman. Well done both of you! Keep up the good work (against all teams but Pakistan!! =p )

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 19:28 GMT

    @ Martin hooks, man please do not forget THE WALL his average in England is farsuperior than others in 9 Inn he has scored 915 Run at an average of 102

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 19:22 GMT

    Friends one more intresting Fact Dravid has scores 9877 Runs in Test which is either Won/Drawn by India whereas Sachin has scored 8788 runs in test.

  • on December 24, 2010, 18:52 GMT

    Harsha, something I greatly appreciate about you is the fact that you are so articulate with your words. I have spent the last 16 out of 17 years of my life in the states and i am not able to use the English language nearly as effectively as you do.

  • vajira12 on December 24, 2010, 18:48 GMT

    C'mon Harsha tell the obvious. Dravid has been India's best batsman for last decade. Tendulcar has been the most visible and attacking player.

  • kcdeepak on December 24, 2010, 18:46 GMT

    I agree Sachin and Rahul are the best batsman India ever produced. but why you people never understand the fact that every thing becomes history.every new day, game of cricket is new and different. every match is different from the previous one. these records wont count at all. I believe Rahul is great but i also believe he should retire now. He is not playing well these days... it seems he lost all his confidence.. all his technique. He did a lot for the team and the country. fair enough. but at end of the day it is the victorious team that should be proud of. Sachin, these days making a huge contribution to every match and hes really consistent. I vote Sachin to be the greatest player and god of cricket.but i know even god and even contributions from sehwag,Dravid,Dhoni wont be sufficient to create history in SA. Harsha is absolutely right. Our bowlers dont have the potential to take 20 proteas wickets.All I can wish is GOOD LUCK INDIA

  • on December 24, 2010, 18:14 GMT

    Harsha.. Luv yaa for this one :) :) u read my mind perfectly :)

  • sparshithp on December 24, 2010, 18:06 GMT

    @biophysicist

    The same Lara said "I am a mere mortal sachin is a genius " :D Yeah ..dravid was better of the two for 4 years ...when sachin was struggling from injuries ... and in b/n was the highest scorer ever in a WC ... what happened after 2006 .... the selectors showed gr8 mercy to RD by keeping him in the team ,,...If RD was in any other team during 2007-08... He would have been kicked out .... But still everyone backed RD ... is that not respect ...... 12k wasnt hyped that much because it has already been done n dusted twice ...by sachin n ponting ........ u cant preach ppl to like RD better han sachin ... they just like the one best according to them ....... RD was never in the league of sachin/lara ... get over it ...

  • NoCountry_for_OldMan on December 24, 2010, 17:53 GMT

    So called "cricket fans" do not seem to be able to appreciate the fact that Tendulkar has got some 31000 international runs, with 94 international hundreds, spread over 2 decades, vs all opposition, all bowlers , all over the world, in all conditions, and even after a host of career threatening injuries that would have ended the careers of most mortals...STILL at the end of it averages more than his peers!! This guy is the singular Batting Collosus after Bradman...and celebrate and cherish him we must. If some folks "don't get it" .......so be it, too bad.

  • Cool_Jeeves on December 24, 2010, 17:52 GMT

    Ian Chappell said that Dravid is hanging on by his fingernails. If he does so for three more years he may reach 14,000 runs. The fact is that he did not play the innings in Centurion in the first innings that he played in Headingley in 2002, where in similar conditions, his determined batting set the platform for a 600 plus team score. Great batsmen must go out when they are at the top - Gavaskar went after scoring 96 against Pakistan and 188 against the MCC World XI. Let not Dravid's recent 191 against New Zealand be held as the justification for the next three years. Dravid exit is overdue. It is time for Pujara and Vijay instead of Dravid and Raina.

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 17:50 GMT

    Guys please check the stat for the decade Dravid has scored over 8500 runs in test whereas Sachin has scored approx 7000 runs, Sachin has 21 centuries and Dravid has 22. GREAT Harsha you have picked the right topic.

  • Karthic_Madanagopal on December 24, 2010, 17:45 GMT

    I would like to appreciate Tendulkar and Kallis for their achievements in test cricket. I agree Kallis and Ponting are very talented players. Considering the fact, Having brought from the society where games is given equal importance to education, what ponting and Kallis has achieved is not great as compared to Sachin's.

    "Little Master" and "The wall" with their sheer intelligence has given a different perspective to Indian cricket. Kallis has never been under any kind of pressure while playing games. Think about Sachin, every time he gets into the field, he is expected to hit centuries. If he couldn't, the whole world says he is out of form. A Player performing under pressure for me is great. I personally dont like players being compared. But this time i did.

  • 114_in_final_Six_overs on December 24, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    About Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting in Test matches in England: it's a pretty widely held view that we haven't seen Tendulkar's best in England. Perhaps not. But his numbers compare favourably with both Lara's and Ponting's:

    Tendulkar - 22 innings, 1302 runs @ 62.00, HS 193, 4 hundreds and 6 50s Ponting - 34 innings, 1421 runs @ 41.79, HS 156, 4 hundreds and 6 50s Lara - 27 innings, 1268 runs @48.76, HS 179, 4 hundreds and 6 50s

  • Hema_Adhikari on December 24, 2010, 17:35 GMT

    Rahul Dravid should be dropped from the test team along with Raina ( he is busy giving slip practice) and Harbhajan Singh (never turns a ball even by mistake) to make India competitive.

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 17:30 GMT

    Friends I remember the interview of Javed Miadad when India toured Pakistan. He had said that its hard to get Dravid out untill he chooses to out himself.

  • on December 24, 2010, 17:28 GMT

    Inia definately missed out on celebrating a significant milestone for what must be their 2nd best batsman of all time. Not many players reach 12000 runs, so its HUGE!!! Dravid has been been head and shoulders above anyone else in the Indian team (excl Tendulkar) for a number of years - I'm sure if you look at his average away from home it would be interesting to see how he compares. As for India's preparation for the test - coming into total different conditions and about to play a test match against the second best team in the world surely there should be a warm up match? This isn't mickey mouse IPL cricket... its a test series in a country that doesn't lose too many home games... I'm hoping for a better showing at Newlands, I'll be very surprised if SA aren't 2-0 up by then....

  • vinjoy on December 24, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    Those who say that Dravid is not a great batsman or who doubt his greatness may also say that 'Sun rises in the North'. The argument is over. Period.

  • on December 24, 2010, 17:25 GMT

    @ sparshithp hey bro i'm not comparing both like u r...i have immense respect for both ..one of the best batting pairs we have ever produced....all r legends too so yeah sachin is top notch cos of his longevity cos of his run scoring etc but dravid'snot less....... and i saw some guy posting abt getting 100 per innings...omg 100 runs is just a milestone....most important thing is scoring for the team contributing as many runs u can....need not be a 100 if it's 80 90 too it's a gr8 job....

  • on December 24, 2010, 17:21 GMT

    Yes Sir Indian People and Media have let themselves down big time by not acknowledging Rahul Dravid's landmark 12000 Runs as much as they should have :-( But Nice Guy marches on !!

  • pk_cric_rox on December 24, 2010, 17:20 GMT

    i m a pakistani n i have no doubt in saying that if we r allowed to import one indian player to play for our national team it will b dravid without a shadow of doubt.his stats do some justice to his calibre but sadly indian fans dont do him justice at all.he is much much classier then any other indian batsman n i have seen him working harder then other batsmen to save matches or win matches for india. ok may b he isnt naturally talented n distinguished like sachin or sehwag but the guy works really hard . its my request give the guy his due respect n place in indian cricket history. sachin is best of all i agree but he goes after his records everybody can see that..

  • McGorium on December 24, 2010, 17:18 GMT

    @Kshitij_Sinha: Perhaps it is you who is missing the big picture: batsmen do not (never have, probably never will) win you test matches, though they can set up a win (or potentially lose it for you). SRT's tenure has coincided with some pretty ordinary bowling: we have had no more than 2 good bowlers at any instance in our recent history. If you expect the likes of Agarkar, Prasad, Mohanty, RP Singh, IK Pathan, V Raju, M. Karthik, etc (not to mention the one-timers like Yohnannan, Dodda Ganesh, etc). to take 20 wickets, boy are you mistaken (sure many of these have had their odd moments, but I wouldn't be shivering with fear facing up to them. In SRT's career of over 21 yrs, we have had 3 good bowlers (not great, but good): Srinath, Kumble and Zaheer (Zaheer came good only recently. Kumble was rarely effective outside the subcontinent, except maybe his last 4 yrs). Add to the fact that until Dravid and VVS came along (1999-2001), SRT was the only bastman scoring well. Waddaya expect?

  • DattatreyaHeroor on December 24, 2010, 17:10 GMT

    I dont understand why people are so much behind India's #1 spot.... They have played well in last 2-3 years to reach that spot and just by loosing 1 match they dont become undeserving team at that spot.... Aus lost a test series (2-1) against India when they were #1 ranked team.... It happens to every team.... There are 2 more matches to go in this series.... Wait for them to get over....

  • AnkurV on December 24, 2010, 16:50 GMT

    Very nice article, Dravid and Laxman have been the front runners of Indian cricket(TEST) team for years and without much limelight which they rightfully deserve.

  • cric4india on December 24, 2010, 16:33 GMT

    The last statement is a cinch!!!!!!!

  • on December 24, 2010, 16:26 GMT

    EXCELLENT ARTICLE! very true.dravid remains the unsung hero of indian cricket.

  • Kshitij_Sinha on December 24, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    Dear Harsha, I think you have got it all out of context. Out of his 50 centuries, only 20 have come in wins. Tendulkar only contributes with the bat, while Kallis does with both bat and ball, and Ponting with his fielding, batting, and captaincy. You are seriously exaggerating Tendulkar's usefulness to India. He played in a team with the perhaps the best batsman we ever had, but lost a ton of Test matches; I hope when he retires, more than his centuries, he remembers all that could have been, all that wasn't. And he well might, but praising him like he did something remarkable, which he didn't, is simply destroying that hope. I feel if he carries those regrets, he will in some way or the other help create a team in the future that may just be the best in the world. But for that, he needs to have the drive of correcting the flaw of his career.

  • Dr.K.H.Iyer on December 24, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    Dravid is a fine statesman! Kallis is also the same! They do not DOMINATE the attack like Lara or Sachin! But if all batsmen played alike, no Team would win! Some people have to stay No.2 always in life but that doesn't diminish their glory! As I can say Kallis and Dravid will never be counted in the same class as Lara, Sachin or even Ponting but their careers are nonetheless as GLORIOUS at it gets! If SA have had one CLASS batsman it is Kallis! India have had two post Gavskar: Sachin and Dravid!

  • Biophysicist on December 24, 2010, 16:07 GMT

    @sparshithp: Please note that it was Brian Lara who once said " If somebody were to bat for my life, it'd have to be Rahul Dravid". This shows the high esteem a batsman of Lara's standing holds Dravid. I guess you don't need any better compliment. Also, you may note that between 2002 and 2006 Dravid's value (in terms of contributions) to the Indian team was way better than that of Tendulkar. Cricinfo stats for Tendulkar are: 45 Matches, 3171 runs, average 48.78, hundreds 8, fifties 12. Corresponding figures for Dravid are: 53 Matches, 4841 runs, average 63.69, 14 hundreds, 23 fifties. Clearly for 5 years Dravid was head and shoulders above all other Indian batsmen, including Tendulkar whom many refer to as God of Cricket. Despite being so consistently above all other Indian batsmen for 5 years, Dravid was never given such accolades and praise.

  • on December 24, 2010, 16:01 GMT

    Same thing happened earlier when Dravid went past the great Sir Donald Bradman. I am eagerly waiting for his 200th catch in test matches. Another extraordinary achievement :)

  • on December 24, 2010, 16:00 GMT

    Harsha always makes valid point,i m fan of his comments,he is best reader of game at the moment al over the world.I seriously don't think this indian bowling line up including Harbhajan n Ishan capable of getting 20 proteas wickets in next two games,we will have to wait for making them mistakes only.

  • HarshaC on December 24, 2010, 15:55 GMT

    Yes, I am always a big fan of Dravid, the dedication and grit he has shown over the last two decades are worth emulating and as always Harsha Bhogle you are right on the money when you acknowledge the greatness of Dravid in your column.

  • on December 24, 2010, 15:53 GMT

    I have great respect and admiration for Sachin . However when he says he is not after records,I consider that his actions speak louder than words.

    He has skilfully managed to do just that , i.e be after both his test and one day 50th centuries,in spite of stating otherwise.. I do not grudge that stategy one bit and after all no one in cricketing history would be more deserving than he. Moreover at his age he needs to pace out his matches and be fit which goes with his passion and commitment to give 110p.c all the time.

    He managed to stay out of ODI's concentratting on tests.Since he has achieved the milestone in tests, he is now taking on ODI's for 50 centuries. Very clever..I would not be surprised if he opts out of tests for a little while to save his energy for ODI's . He should.With world cup ahead he has every opportuinity of doing that and he has timed it well, to try and achieve the milestone in his beloved country . Good luck to him.

  • KevinCostna on December 24, 2010, 15:29 GMT

    criticism abt Harsha's 2 points:

    1) wat's the significance in crossing 12k runs - as compared to 11k r 13k? If thers any, I didn't get it from this article.

    2) the discussion and conclusion, if thers any, about the match practice was much talked abt and finished even b4 Sachin reached his so called milestone. so y go thru the rigamarole of praising Sachin for watever he is since everybody (Indian r non-Indian) knows abt him. I wud hav loved if Harsha went a step and tried to talk abt the root cause and the ways to get this issue resolved at least in the near future.

    Having said all that I really loved da article and really appreciate that Harsha was talking abt the best teams rather than draggin the No. 1 ranking, which I already got fed up reading abt.

  • syedahmed91 on December 24, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    I don't know why so many people are suprised by this. I think everyone but indians sort've expected this result and was waiting for it. Indian bowlers are incompetent: they cannot take 20 south african wickets to win the match. Their batsman, however flourish sometimes but, against this strong SA pace attack I don't see them doing much. I think it's unfair to call indian team #1 after they lose to sa by an innings and only managed to pick up 3 wickets.

  • on December 24, 2010, 15:17 GMT

    Truly said Harsha, India as let themselves down by forgetting Rahul Sharad Dravid who has given everything for the indian cricket, along side Anil Kumble to remember. To be presise, Forgotten Heros by Media , Indian ppl and BCCI as well.

  • on December 24, 2010, 15:16 GMT

    Truly said Harsha, India as let themselves down by forgetting Rahul Sharad Dravid who has given everything for the indian cricket, along side Anil Kumble to remember. To be presise, Forgotten Heros by Media , Indian ppl and BCCI as well.

  • Srinik_Cricket on December 24, 2010, 15:07 GMT

    I started hating Sachin after the Syndney test in 2003-2004 series. The series was 1-1, the series was completly dominated by Dravid and Laxman and Shewag. Sachin got out almost every match by giving slip catches. So to prove a point he didnt even touch a ball on halfside.. He played completely onside. He made 200+(470 balls). In the second where a quick 50 is required he made 60(90). I feel this match we lost becos of him. But evverybody blame Parthiv of dropping Steves Catch. I think a person with 15 years of batting experience and over 600-700 runs in sydney pitch could have played a better inning and after all it was a flat pitch. He just wanted to prove a point that he can score in Australia..

  • on December 24, 2010, 15:04 GMT

    @titansnights I was not saying sangakkara is better than tendulkar im just saying his average doesnt jusitfy the hype he gets and there are other batsmen as equally good playing along in his era. I guess He'll make the cut for top 15 batsmen of all time but thats as far as I can go :) . Anyways looking at the 200 odd(even ;) ) comments on this page we have lost the big picture here which is the last statement in harsha's post that we lost the match and it really stinks.Hope all 11 play well in the next match.

  • mrgupta on December 24, 2010, 15:02 GMT

    Wow!, So much said about Sachin not farming the strike on the last day, ignoring the fact that He was the last Man standing and that too with the highest scores in both Indian innings. He resisted with aplomb and did not allow SA to run through us, he delayed the inevitable and took India to almost within a small distance of avoiding innings defeat. People forget that there were still 30 runs to score and Steyn and Morkel to face, for these last 30 runs someone from the lower order had to show some resistance too. How long can you avoid letting Steyn bowl to Sree or Unadkat? DO you think Smith, Steyn and Morkal were fools? He had to show some confidence in the tail which sadly failed unlike Ishan Sharma's resistance against Aussies at Mohali. Somebody commented that Sachin is not exciting!! FYI he is the batsmen with most 150+ scores in ODIs and only player with a 200 in ODIs and Twice Top Scorer in World Cups. Any batsmen with this record cannot be boring or maybe u r new to Cricket!

  • sparshithp on December 24, 2010, 15:02 GMT

    @RINISH VALSAN

    I'm talking abt the best ... not tough customer ...the best batsman a bowler has bowled to ...

    Sachin is getting accolades bcoz he is a much better batsman ...as simple as that ....And he also carried the nation's hopes on his shoulders when he was just 20-21... hence the soft corner

  • mighty_cricket_lover on December 24, 2010, 14:50 GMT

    Yeah, I think Harsha is correct. If u d records and history Dravid has scored many runs in match saving/winning cause for India than did by SRT. SRT did score plenty of runs but only records. Most of the times his runs ended up in losing cause and he has not won many matches for India by batting till d end of d innings. I am not saying he is not great but what I meant to say is " he just played longer than any other guy and hence scored many more runs than others". Ofcourse it is great to be there for such a longer time. Take the recently concluded test against SA, everyone expected sachin to score atleast those 30 odd runs and avoid innings defeat, which he didnot. He gave strike to tail enders. becoz of SRT other guys like Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman were not given the enough credit they deserved. Cant say anything, its typical Indian mentality.

  • on December 24, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    It is unfortunate that Dravid is always forgotten.Great that Harsha Bhogle brought in. He should have eenappropriaely acknowledged for his achievements. As you rightly pointed out achin has completed another landmark by appointment. Congrats to both legends.

  • Dubby49 on December 24, 2010, 14:37 GMT

    Why is it that the minute anyone is praised, Sachin lovers treat this as an insult to there hero. Is Mr SRT the only cricketer worthy of praise. The article is not a criticism of SRT but of the fans who extoll his achievements to the exclusion of all else. people like sparshithp are a prime example of this band of louts.

  • The_Dynamite_Kid on December 24, 2010, 14:35 GMT

    Let's have a look shall we. Tendulkar has scored 50 100's in 286 innings, that equates to 1 century per 5.72 innings. Dravid has scored 31 100's in 255 innings, that equates to 1 century per 8.22 innings. Ponting has scored 39 100's in 257 innings, that equates to 1 century per 6.58 innings. Lara has scored 34 100's in 6.82 innings. Kallis has scored 38 100's in 242 innings, that equates to 1 century per 6.36 innings. Tendulkar's track record of scoring 1 century per 5.72 innings is better than each one of Dravid, Ponting, Lara and Kallis.

  • on December 24, 2010, 14:33 GMT

    India have let themselves down? They always do this at the start of a series. There's all this hype and then they let themselves down, as you put it. Let's just see what happens in the rest of the series, okay? Most Test series between quality teams shouldn't be decided from the outset anyway. Even Australia have upset the English-media-apple-cart so let's not make hasty judgements. If Rahul Dravid is such a modest chap then he won't mind being overshadowed by Tendulkar's landmark in the media coverage; it's inevitable if they occur in the same match. Don't write India off just yet.

  • on December 24, 2010, 14:25 GMT

    Bhogle makes a valid point. Not sure what it is with Indians that we seem to ignore other heroes, sports and achievements and are constantly obsessed with Sachin and his "kept appointments". Rahul Dravid is no lesser hero and pretty much one of the core owners of the rise of Indian cricket. Heroes come and go, its the "Walls" that stand in silence that know the real story. I salute you Rahul Dravid.

  • CricketChat on December 24, 2010, 14:04 GMT

    While Sachin's 2nd inng century was commendable, it came by the time pitch and weather had vastly improved (just like for SA batsmen who seemed to be batting in an entirely diff world after India's 1st inng). More runs from him in the 1st knock would have made for a diff final result.

    It is high time Ind team strengthen bowling dept. Can't expect Zaheer to win all matches and rest of fast/pace bowlers are not that penetrative or consistent. Harbhajan has been a big let down as a bowler time and again. Unless he gets rank turner, he has been ineffective.

    Yes, SA played as a team to win. Now, Ind team should try to replicate it.

  • on December 24, 2010, 14:01 GMT

    And guys don't see this article as who's the best and who's not both srt and dravid have done plenty for this country than one can imagine...sachin for his 21 yrs have provided some gr8 innings all yr....dravid for abt 15 yrs has too helped india outta many situations and finished games for us for yrs...so lets give them equal credit...but in this harsha's just saying tht the media didn't do justice by not mentioning dravid's record .....if u see it's bad...i mean these guys won't have any probs against but comeon step in their shoes and imagine u reading a paper in which u have been praised in an article...won't tht make u feel gud and make u determined to do better.....??? it does so media unless they give tht support they will not be in their best of forms...same in all sports...when we gave full support to the cwg indian team most of them did well it's all a motivating factor when the crowd gets behind us....so guys lets give credit when due...thnk u

  • nagaatcricinfo on December 24, 2010, 13:58 GMT

    i am a big fan of Tendulkar,Dravid,Laxman i don't want to compare amongst each other. Every one achieves their landmark as they are playing in any games. But they way these 3 guys are serving country for almost more than 15 years is just amazing. How could some one do that, this can happen only by sheer talent and determination. Which all 3 guys have. But i am really sad we never had Good Fast bowler in the team at a top class level.

    All in all inspite of india loosing the first test. That makes me more interesting to watch the series how they are going to bounce back, i have lot of confidence in current indian team.

  • on December 24, 2010, 13:48 GMT

    dravid is simply an underestimated unsung legend from india...

  • on December 24, 2010, 13:46 GMT

    Dravid would have been cald "GOD OF CRICKET" like SRT known in india, if RD played for any other country... The fame and fanatics of younger sachin made him to glow for 20 years and future too...Rahul have done 80% in 15 years what SRT did in his 20yr career... If RD had his chance like SRT in 89' he would have scored more than 17k in tests i predict...Class+determination+style = RD, Fame+determination+class = SRT.

  • rags1892 on December 24, 2010, 13:41 GMT

    @the neutral analyst.... What the heck is wrong with u..?? Are u actually trying to put Shakeeb-ul-Hasan and McCullum in the same league as Tendulkar..!!! I mean.. u r allowed to comment but pls put in some thought before u do so..!! I wont even put sanga or gayle in the same bracket as srt.. let alone footnotes like mcCellim and Hasan... what a joke..!!

  • insightfulcricketer on December 24, 2010, 13:21 GMT

    Sachin got more accolades for the simple reason that he has held the thrall of the nation by starting out in international cricket at a tender age of 16 .The contrast between Dravid and Sachin is best understood in military terms. Tendulkar is infantry while Dravid is artillery. Dravid provides the constant barrage which makes infantry make the charge. Enemy (read bowlers) see the infantry right in front of the eyes while they go hand-to-hand but it is the artillery which makes infantry make the charge and not get cut-down . Public sees the infantry as heroes but it is artillery which makes infantry get a good shot . Such will be the story of Dravid, Gambhir, Steve Waugh ,Bailey, Miandad etc they will forever be un-sung.

  • on December 24, 2010, 13:19 GMT

    @sparshithp....no one has told it right ??/ vettori said he is one of the most fearsome batsmen in this indian line up and me not talking abt now when he got 2 cenmturies against nz he said it a while back and warne has always commended dravid for his efforts calling him a wall and a tough task to get him out...many bowlers too have told he's a tough customer :)

  • shrikanthk on December 24, 2010, 13:16 GMT

    Well, the fuss about landmarks is much ado about nothing!

    By 1994, it was quite clear that Tendulkar would end up with more Test runs and Test centuries than anybody else. The fuss I observe in the media is an insult to the reader's intelligence!

    It reminds me of the fuss about the "stupendous" first-class records of old English cricketers (the likes of Hobbs, Rhodes and Woolley). We all know that English cricketers play more FC cricket than anybody else. So, if a top-notch Test cricketer plies his trade in FC cricket for 30 years as Hobbs and Rhodes did, it is no wonder they ended up with more runs and more wickets than anyone else who played the game!

    It is rather silly to keep talking about run-aggregates and century counts. Tendulkar is a great batsman. Period. He will be on most people's shortlist of half-a-dozen great batsmen of all time. All this has been self-evident for atleast 10 years now. Why the fuss.

  • Balamuarli on December 24, 2010, 13:14 GMT

    @titansnights

    Zaheer was not new to crease when sachin was in 190's .

    sachin was able to get double hundred only because zaheer batted for long time , else sachin might be 170 out or not out .

  • sashwin on December 24, 2010, 13:12 GMT

    IPL is like a one-night stand, test cricket is like a nurturing, caring relationship.

    I wont be surprised if SRT drops out of the world cup to be fit for IPL. And suddenly Ishant, Harbajan, Raina Vijay etc will become IPL heroes. Our cricketers are Indians, but they dont play for India. They are bonded to their IPL masters, which is very sad and disheartening..

  • sachincricfollower on December 24, 2010, 13:10 GMT

    why s dere so much calling on india not given warmup games on tours.This question can be well answered by only one ,that s BCCI, which first fixes the schedule for IPL(A TOURNAMENT FOR GREAT MONEY HOLDERS AND GAMBLERS WHO ARE SELLING CRICKET A.W.A AS CRICKETERS AT THEIR WILL).IPL as we know hasn't given a single quality pace bowler to india,yet BOLLINGER comes out from that same league and gets into AUSTRALIAN TEAM. Also 5 days to go and we have T20 WC, and team india is tired of playing IPL.My question to indian media and public is why are dey giving so much hype to a tournament which is causing indian cric. to die as we dont't have temperament to play test cricket which should be the 1st priority of every cricketer.HARSHA plz write on dis......

  • on December 24, 2010, 13:09 GMT

    great harsha, finally little piece for true servant of the game, but great thing about Dravid is that he himself does not like media people throgging and being in lime light, for this saint cricket is a meditation where is constatly inventing himself, so thanks for media for not trying to perturb the master.

  • AussieOzieoioi on December 24, 2010, 13:05 GMT

    Sachin was always selfish,He proved that by not farming the strike and hoping the tail-enders would be cleaned up quickly by Steyn and morke so that he can stay not outl and that would help in boosting the averages

  • SAMIR_ALI_KHAN on December 24, 2010, 13:02 GMT

    Harsha... I am truly impressed by your creative and critical outlook of the game but slightly diagree with the exaggerated title of this blog. I agree with the view about the bouncing joys and the fantasy we ease into with Tendulkars laurels. Ignoring Dravid's or any other members hallmarks and contributions has always led us to weaker dependancies and appalling outcomes. I strongly feel that the coach and the manager of the team plays a pivotal role in sorting out the right logistics and administration to maintain the expected standards of the Team India in their games. Dravid and Ganguly have surely defied the godliness of Tendulkar and his fanhood (including myself!) in the game, however, I dont refrain from saluting the little master on his achievements. I believe, Team India has been achieving clean victories at home grounds, but has more optimizations to make abroad, which means we need atleast 2 mainstream bowlers : a seamer and an experienced leg-spinner against SAFFAS!

  • sparshithp on December 24, 2010, 12:57 GMT

    And SRT is called the greatest batsman of this era by bowlers for a reason ....

    have u heard any bowler say the best he has bowled to is dravid?.?

  • sparshithp on December 24, 2010, 12:54 GMT

    i dont what the problem is with sachin haters???

    And all the talk abt lara , dravid , ponting being able to achieve the same runs or centuries if they played the same no.of matches ....then here is an eye opener ...

    Sachin has the best runs/innings and centuries/innings ratio among dravid and lara...get a life losers ...

    and abt sachin giving them strike .... nobody hd a problem when VVS gave strike to ishant in mohali right?.? :D

    atleast sachin was there till the end ... sachin has always been dere right from his early days .... the no.of pressure situations he has walked in to bat can just only be a part of imagination to dravid ....Its just the impotency of the rest of the team to support him is the problem ....

    And which is a greater achievement ??? 50 centuries or 12k??? if RD had battled it out to stay in the crease in the match then media would have highlighted a lot more....

    and RD being talked abt in the same class as sachin ?.? ROFL .. 1-D player as the selector put it

  • titansnights on December 24, 2010, 12:51 GMT

    @ravikanth:

    Plz dont compare Sanga and Sachin mate..if you wanna, plz do it with either Lara or Kallis..may be with Ponting..they are legends and sachin is a bit above them all, if you look with the perspective of Statistics or Pressure of the expectation of the nation he carries upon and most importantly he is not a flat track bully as Sanga or anyone else...

    If scoring in subcontinent is too easy then these three guys wont average less than 40 in these flat tracks..and amongst them all, Sachin averages better in England or in Australia(which is remarkable 59)...first in terms of number of centuries scored in each innings except 4th and he scored second highest number of centuries in 4th innings as well...

    RD is a great, in his own way..to me, he is a lot better than Sanga who has 3 centuries in 44 innings abroad..and not even 1 in SA or England or in WI....average of less than 40 in 4 countries, where sachin has none...

  • MaruthuDelft on December 24, 2010, 12:51 GMT

    Tendulkar is not exciting at all. He is boring. Cricket is about entertaining and making your country win. He fails in the first outright. South Africans and Australians are not uncivilised to hurt Indian centiments but they don't respect tendulkar; simple as that.

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:50 GMT

    "India does not deserve either RD or the # 1 spot. All it requires is hype, hyperbole and few meaningless records. We lost a match in the most comprehensive fashion. And what do we do? We highlight individual achievements." -------------------- How much Dravid made???? If he made same runs as tendulkar made we might have saved the match. But you see common sense is not so common. Some people have problems with tendulkar and can sings songs of dravid laxman all their life. But how much they have contributed. Why not celebrate 50 century?? Wasn't this century was 1 man resistance.

  • Balamuarli on December 24, 2010, 12:49 GMT

    @msivask ,

    Since sachin has done that blunder on 5th day morning , so media or cricket expert want to talk about it .

    if same was done by other cricketers they will jump their guns on them .

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:49 GMT

    IPL is a one night stand, test cricket is a loving and caring relationship.

    Well, IPL is immediately after world cup. These players, Sachin included, care only for IPL and its riches. They play as Indians, but not for Indiia. In fact, dont be surprised if Sachin skips world cup to keep fit for IPL..

    Suddenly Ishant Harbajan and co will become IPL heroes. And nobody will care about India's overseas performances. Then, Modi was the culprit, and now Srinivasan is the culprit.

  • sonofchennai on December 24, 2010, 12:49 GMT

    @indrajit: longevity is key but you an i cannot be in the team sport for 20 years without talent and sustaining the talent alogn with being consistent..

  • sonofchennai on December 24, 2010, 12:47 GMT

    Sachins and Federers always take the spotlight because of sheer class....Dravids and Nadals not that much....But i admire both because they have achieved this without the blessed gift and only thru hardowrk and determination....each one is great in different ways...

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:42 GMT

    I can say only Dravid is legend and he is book of the cricket and only stylish batsman of modern era, It is media who made Tendulkar God otherwise he is Just another great cricketer like of Dravid, Lara, Waugh, Warn, Akram,imran ,Gavaskar and so on.

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    Thanks Harsha for echoing the millions of Indians, cricket lovers..Dravid is ONE of the GReatest Cricket players we have seen.

  • titansnights on December 24, 2010, 12:34 GMT

    @msivask: The reason is mate, he would have done the same thing even if he was in his 90's....Initially I was a bit disppointed same as you and thought, would he have done the same, if he was on 90's..And I was looking at the scoreboard of India vs Bangladesh match and he did the same thing, when he was on 196* and took a single of the first ball and rotated the strike to Zaheer khan..and who was a far worse batsman than Sreesanth of now and he had poor averages than unadka(first class average) and sreesanth..

    Here is the link for you mate "http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64111.html?innings=2;page=3;view=commentary"..go to, 107.1 and check what he did..and when asked after the match, "why didnt he take most of the strike and go for a triple", he replied, "I trust my tailenders and want them to know, they can bat as well"..and Zaheer went on to score 75., second highest last wicket partnership and eventually a better batsman than b4

  • Balamuarli on December 24, 2010, 12:24 GMT

    Hi Harsha ,

    you gave interview to one of news channel about sachin's 50th Century , in that shows you did not mention anything about dravid's 12000 . so you have no rights to mention about it your article .

  • Devayta on December 24, 2010, 12:24 GMT

    Thanks, Harshaji for reminding such a great feat of Dravid but I think Sachin is a sun and however bright a star is; it can't make its presence felt when the sun is in full glow, can it?

  • Farce-Follower on December 24, 2010, 12:23 GMT

    At last an article of courage. India does not deserve either RD or the # 1 spot. All it requires is hype, hyperbole and few meaningless records. We lost a match in the most comprehensive fashion. And what do we do? We highlight individual achievements. Kallis, Steyn and Morkel would be loving this.

  • nag42408 on December 24, 2010, 12:21 GMT

    what is the big deal only SRT will always get the media backing in Indian cricket team most of the times indian media and commenters forget that that cricket is a team game not a individual game for them its SRT only SRT.

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:17 GMT

    I too find the fact of SRT and the tailenders not endeavoring to save an innings defeat to be really hard-hitting. Even a nine-wicket loss would have sounded much less painful than an innings loss! Of course Tendulkar's achievement, glorious and in some ways expected as it was, ensured that this defeat did not bring about a larger public outrage.

  • Samgen on December 24, 2010, 12:15 GMT

    Sachin - Genius by birth. Has been successful by remaining grounded, by mainting his focus. Dravid - An example of what one can achieve with whatever talent one has with hardwork, dedication and commitment.

    Both extraodinary and great role models. If someone thinks they have limited ability and can't achieve more, I would give them the example of Dravid. If someone is talented and has an attitude 'I know I can do this but I am bored' I would give them the exmple of Tendulkar.

    If someone is trying to berate either of these greats achievements, they are showing their own limitations.

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:14 GMT

    @rohitrockz Well sangakkara averages 50.3 away not bad hah.. anyways its not about sangakkara I'm just saying others are as good as he is if not better.

  • eomer17 on December 24, 2010, 12:04 GMT

    @aks007007 yes sehwag can bat like no one else can.BUT it isn' t for not that rahul is nicknamed the wall.he has played his best cricket in an era when we had top class bowlers from all nations.he has played in hostile conditions,and scored the runs,won games for india tendulkar was goin throgh poor form then!!the fact is that Rahul dravid is compared to cricketers of today,wen quality of bowling has gone down,flat pitches.he plays for india where most people think that cricket is game of 6"s & 4"s!!and for those crying out for his StR's in ODI's ,he is at par with ganguly who is considered by many as one of d greatest opening batsmen!!

  • on December 24, 2010, 12:03 GMT

    Fantastic article Harsha.....hats off to u....and its really true that efficient and quiet people like great Rahul Dravid are ignored in all walks of life in India....

  • Rumy1 on December 24, 2010, 11:55 GMT

    Harsha, you rightly question India's status as the best Test team in the world. I am aghast as to how they selected a rookie Unadkat ahead of say Munaf when they knew that he will be up against the likes of Smith, Amla, Kallis and Devilliers - all four of them world class. Munaf lately has been in top form and has loads of experience which you require against a world class batting line up. I also don't know why they selected Raina for Tests at the first place knowing well his technical deficiencies and temperament. Ok he made a 100 on debut on a placid track when the Srilankan bowlers weren't able to do anything. The selectors knew that he didn't have a future in the long run with the team as it will have to travel to South Africa [cracker of pitches], England [swinging ones], Australia [fast and bouncy], etc. Srikkanth has a lot to answer.

  • BustIPL on December 24, 2010, 11:53 GMT

    This number one position for India is not of that quality when Australia were on top. How many of current Indian team can find a place in Australian team. While most of Australian will be automatic choice for Indian team. It is just because of tendulkar. sehwag, laxman and harbhajan. Even today if we ignore ICC rankings, Aussies are still number one the way they beaten english during the ashes.

  • sameer997 on December 24, 2010, 11:50 GMT

    Harsha gr8 points.12,000 is no joke its imense a player who has scored 12000 justifies his presence and contribution towards his team not forgetting 50 centuries as well.I believe both Rahul and Sachin should be given the same respect, appreciation by the media which just favours Sachin all the way Sachin scored a fifty and the news channels got breaking news.When dravid scored 12000 only the people watching the game got to know completly unfair they over show sachin.People please dont forget 200 catches for dravid as well this to hasnt been talked about much i wonder why???Anyways a India win will cherish us more than all of the individual records.

  • on December 24, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    I love Sachin.. Like many of us I always thing him as Cricket GOD. But I definitely against the fifth day approach. Sachin should have taken more strike and could have helped India to avoid innings defeat. As Sachin says, the match outcome is always important than any other individual records.

  • ARIS99 on December 24, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    RAHUL DRAVID...he is d real wall 4 d team....no1 cn ques him.......reaching 12000 is not a small thing only few hve reached dis landmark...also his 200th catch is to b the world record..

  • on December 24, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    this amn is truly a genius in his analysis....hereby after India lost to SA...the only talking point was Sachin's 50th century but everyone ignored THE WALL and his achievement of 12,000 runs.......!!!

  • indianpunter on December 24, 2010, 11:35 GMT

    @venkat narayan. If you read your comment, you will realise that Dravid's last innings of merit ( in your own list) came in 2008 Jan, 3 yrs ago. He last scored an overseas hundred in 2006. time to move on, both for dravid and for us in our minds. I have been dravid's greatest fan for a long time. But over and above all, my sole and true calling is the greater good of Indian cricket, and for that RD has to go. If you remember there blue murder was alleged when he was (rightly) dropped from the ODI team and that only made the team better. I dont want to labor the point, but the writing is on the Wall !

  • Narbavi on December 24, 2010, 11:28 GMT

    well said man...but this isn't the first time he has been robbed of things he deserved...cant blame sachin coz had dravid played in a different generation sure he would hav been in a position where sachin is right now...sachin maniacs are the one to blame

  • prjnua6 on December 24, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    @msivask, you r absolubtely right. If sachin was playing for team, atleast cld hv save india from innigs defeat. Giving strike to tailanders is not fair, he cld hv shielded them btr. God, if he was cricket god than he cld hv try to save the test match on his own instead of doing what he did. achieving personal milestone does not make u god bt doing what no1 cn do might give u that status. ppl blindling follow him without seeing how many times he has won india or atleast save it. if u r doctor, of course u gonna make money bt what sets u apart is how many lives u hv saved..yr relatives might say he is so rich bc although the patient die, doctor is gonna get the money, he is real doctor when he saves them and achieve the sucess for patient.

  • indrajit_v5 on December 24, 2010, 11:22 GMT

    Give the same number of innings to Dravid, Ponting, Lara..they would have scored as many runs as Tendulkar.....

    He is just a good player...Longevity is the key not the talent...

    For all the SRT fans, Lara would have scored 12k, 13k and even 14k before SRT, if he would have continued....

    Its shameful....

  • A.Ak on December 24, 2010, 11:16 GMT

    Dravid is the complete team man of our time. "Heartless" Indians are known for ignoring greats (they did that too to Sachin couple of years ago) at the right time. People realize how great Dravid is only at the time of his retirement and his place of Solidity and dertermination can not be filled even by Sachin. Sachin is meant to break records, particularly playing for over 2 decades and the opponents he faced in his early career. Everything looks easy now.

  • East_West on December 24, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    HERE WE GO AGAIN! Harsha! Cricket is NOT about Individuals and their accolades!! It is about the TEAM!! and the TEAM got the RESULT!!! PERIOD!! So let us NOT overrate all these individuals who have contributed to a HUMILIATING LOSS!! Based on their recent performances in INDIA and SL, LAxman and Dravid got their immunity and bought some more time to stay put in Tests, but "As long as we have this mindset of HERO worshiping, we will NEVER STAY ON TOP"

  • Emancipator007 on December 24, 2010, 11:13 GMT

    3. but look at his impact on NZ team's fortunes in the 80s- but he is INARGUABLY the most complete batsman. P.S. I am a greater fan of Gavaskar and Sehwag.Also @Emperor, I don't agree with your earlier comment about demagogue-coach Greg(great batsman though he was) being good for Indian cricket. Half the Indian team still cold-shoulders Dravid for acquiescing with his bizarre coaching methods (R.Bhattacharya boldly pointed that out).Also,you mentioned the so-called Bengali-dominated media supported Ganguly during the Greg-Gang fiasco. Prannoy Roy was the only Bengali media doyen on tele (Arnab Goswami's Times Now was non-existent in 2005 and please discount the shrill Bengal-based Bengali media). In fact,Gang became a pariah for both print and tele media because of Greg's known media leaks and his stranglehold over them. It was only when Gang started performing decently in domestic cricket and the team floundered badly in the ODI series in SA that the groundswell of support for G began

  • Srinik_Cricket on December 24, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    I guess Harsha it is not just Dravid. India also has humiliated Kumble and Laxman. The only reasons we started winning in Aus or Eng is becos Kumble improved his performance abroad. To me the best cricketer India produced and best Test Crciketer ever for India. I was veru surpraised by our India Media when Laxman made 79 on last day pitch when every top order batsman was staying in dressing room. The next match Sachin played 100 on a first inning flat pitch, the media attention he got was unbelievable. I hope our Media analyses cricket by victory and state of the match rather purely based on STAT.

  • itssudeep on December 24, 2010, 11:06 GMT

    Dravid's game, like a well cooked dish of biryani, is rich and timeless. Too bad the 2-minute noodles generation fails to appreciate it. Well, guess taste is an acquired thing after all. Let the noodle lovers continue to enjoy their dilscoops and slog sweeps. But give me my biryani anyday...

  • Percy_Fender on December 24, 2010, 10:59 GMT

    I am happy that every once in a way these days, Harsha you bring out such pieces which lead to comments like we have here. The most amusing ones seeking to praise their own, of course only between the line possibly come from a troubled part of the world, would mention by innuendo that the fastest bowlers in the universe come form this troubled part. The thing is that such views may have simply nothing to do with the contents of your article. I wish you would keep writing these articles because apart from the thoughts,of the debates they generate.

  • kk4540 on December 24, 2010, 10:57 GMT

    are yar dravid ka time pass ho gaya h anjinkya rahane is good for no-3 and no-5 badrinath repalce of laxman and pujara for raina he is not test player

  • Emancipator007 on December 24, 2010, 10:57 GMT

    2. (The very reason I rate him higher than Bradman). In fact, SRT remarkably has not played to his full capabilities possible over such a long career and should have had a 70 plus Test average (I think Imran too mentioned something on those lines). Folks and those in their 20s, try and watch Tend's batting videos (widely available, I am sure ) when he was b/w 16-21 with 21 being the age at which most talented and prodigious batsmen make their Test debuts. You will never see a sub-20 age batsman that talented in cricket history ever playing at the top most level and when pace attacks were still potent; that same player has over time married that luminescent talent and extraordinary skills with technical virtuosity and classical defense (a la Gavaskar, Jack Hobbs and maybe even Dravid and Kallis) to be the consummate batsman he still is today -21 years later. Yes, I have been piqued at times at SRT's zeal in looking to accumulate certain records -which even Richard Hadlee was accused of

  • Emancipator007 on December 24, 2010, 10:54 GMT

    1.@OnlyEmperor for someone commenting quite insightfully on Test legends who played in the 70s and 80s, I am surprised that you have forgotten the "situation adaptability and stemming panic" capability of SRT in the 90s and rating Dravid above him when RD has had a stupendous support cast for his stellar acts primarily b/w 2001-06 (also a time period when SRT did not play some 12 Tests) . In fact, RD failed to adapt miserably in the 3rd Tests in SA in 2006, in England in 2007, against Pak in Bangalore 2005 and the in the first 2 Tests against NZ recently when he killed Sehwag's match-deciding momentum with typical one-dimensional Test batting. By the way, RD does not much care about attention not coming his way. There are reasons why SRT is such a mass darling as well as a connoisseur's delight. I have always mentioned that older Indan fans well remember that SRT had already conquered hostile away conditions in NZ, OZ, S.Africa and England even before he turned 19! CONTD.

  • trngpt on December 24, 2010, 10:44 GMT

    We don't have a replacement for Dravid. I mean Raina, Sharma, etc have a long way to go before they can prove themselves. There are few tailenders who have a double hundred on their names but that obviously doesn't mean that they are better than a batsman with a proven track record. Dravid has single handedly managed to anchor Indian innings outside Indian subcontinent many times and he does deserve respect from anyone who understand what test cricket is. Find some other forum if you want to discuss T20.

    The focus should be on the bowling rather than blaming our batsmen. We dont have a regular fast bowler in a billion which actually questions the selectors and our domestic circuit. Looking at the way SA bowlers bowled it was apparent that the medium pacers had to work a lot harder to get 20 wickets.

  • Bradman12345sachin6 on December 24, 2010, 10:37 GMT

    @aks007007-Whoever you are, you need to get your facts right.See how sehwag fares in difficult conditions and do the same for Dravid.Dravid Towers above that clown, flat pitch bully.He can score his stupid triples only in the sub-continent or anywhere he gets flat pitches.Ask him to do in Perth or Headingly, he'll give u golden ducks!!!. . .which u can't even cut up and roast! :D

  • on December 24, 2010, 10:20 GMT

    it doesnt matter if people think they should throw dravid's hard work and accomplishment away nd blame him..cuz even bcci did the same with him..ganguly had a long bad phase,so did sachin...but dravid was not even given a year in odi..atleast he tried in wc..not like dhoni and yuvraj who dint contribute at all...sehwag is so good,what was he doing in the wc..i still rem. d match wid sl in d wc ..it was do or die..nd dravid was there while other wickets were falling down..why was he fired,y werent those people got fired who dint perform...nd after all those insults bestowed upon him you still consider his responsibility to save our team from defeats...first respect his talent then ask him to perform that way..

  • itssudeep on December 24, 2010, 10:19 GMT

    Dravid's game, like a well cooked dish of biryani, is rich and timeless. Too bad the 2-minute noodles generation fails to appreciate it. Well, guess taste is an acquired thing after all. Let the noodle lovers continue to enjoy their dilscoops and slog sweeps. But give me my biryani anyday...

  • Opener on December 24, 2010, 10:17 GMT

    As he usually does, Harsha has yet again written an article that aptly sums up what most real cricket fans feel. I cannot ever come to terms withthe ease with which so called fans of Indian cricket (as opposed to fans of the game - there is a world of difference between the two, by and large) can denigrate an unquestionable great. As a cricketing nation, we have never been able to see the forest for the trees; with the administrator's attitude - and with the imminent retirement of The Trio - it is hard to see how we will win any overseas series in the intermediate future.

  • VINEET88 on December 24, 2010, 10:05 GMT

    open ur eyes,my fellow countrymen.Try 2 look at a person's real character rather than his achievements.Lets recall another incident which would hopefully open ur eyes about Sachin.Think about his 200 earlier this year.Has every1 forgotten how he completed his 200 in that game.He reached from 193-200 through singles when any player playing 4 his team rather than his own achievements would have looked 2 go 4 boundaries.He took some 8 balls to make his final 7 runs towards 200.I mean SA are not a team who had no chance of chasing down India's score of 400 in that match,remember how they chased down 438 against Aus.So,SA were capable of getting past India's huge total.But our great sachin did not care about India but cared about his own 200 which would enhance his own stature further.Remember how anwar perished on 194,jayasuriya got out on 189 when they could have played for 200.We would never see any SA or Aus players doing same thing as sachin either close to 200 or close 2 test loss.

  • ShahzanHaiderBukhari on December 24, 2010, 10:03 GMT

    I have been watching and observing Tendulkar's batting since 1989. He's a great batsman but not a match-winning like Laxman,Hussey,Sangakara,Kallis,Sehwag,Shakeeb ul Hassan and Mc Cullam. He is just century-scorer. He plays for himself to improve his personal records. His centuries never helped India win matches. Now, it has been very proverbial of Sachin that when he scores a hundred, India lose. I couldn't help laughing when after scoring his 50th hundred he preferred to stay on non-strike end and let Sareesant to avoid the innings defeat. In my neutral view, India should sack Sachin and Dravid as soon as possible. They should be replaced with some new blood who might play for the country not for improving their personal records. India should work hard on their bowling attack. They can't get 20 wickets in a match. I don't think India can win even a single test against the Protease.

  • msivask on December 24, 2010, 10:00 GMT

    Wondering why no body responds to 100_rabh on the way sachin batted in the fifth day . An innings defeat could have been avaoided atleast .. No discussions in any channels , and no talks by no writers .. why it is ovelooked hugely ..

  • D.Sharma on December 24, 2010, 9:58 GMT

    @aks007007 hahahha what did Mehul say? He didn't say anything about Sehwag. I remember you wrote something about RD fans 'bashing' others players. Yes you are write, when you say Dravid cannot playt like Sehwag, Sehwag too cannot plau like Dravid. He threw his wickets away! Silly shot. First let Sehwag improve his average of 41 out of the sub-continent, then talk!!!!

  • D.Sharma on December 24, 2010, 9:50 GMT

    If people actually went through what he did in his whole career, they would find that he has acheived for the TEAM yes TEAM, HEAD AND SHOULDERS above SRT. In fact I would put Dev as NO 1 and Dravid as NO 2 as far as TEAM landmarks are concerned. I will even list them for those RD bashers if they ask.

  • VINEET88 on December 24, 2010, 9:47 GMT

    I find it astonishing how people can miss something so obvious which happened on the last day.Sachin exposed the two tailenders on the last day to SA quicks who were bowling with venom.He clearly did not give a damn about India's position in the game & the fact that India were losing the test by an inning.If he wanted,he couls have clearly farmed the strike & atleast saved India from d ignominy of losing the test by an inning after all he only needed 2 score some 25 or so runs either in boundaries or taking singles of 4 or 5th balls of the over.Instead he wanted to stay there till the end just to show that he was the last man standing & that he should not be blamed for India's defeat.Kallis & smith rightly pointed out this fact about Sachin & i m glad kallis did not clap for Sachin's century bcoz they clearly cherish & applaud people playing for their teams rather than for themselves.Also Sreesanth & Unadkat can't even bat for a toffee so its not like he was showing confidence in them.

  • D.Sharma on December 24, 2010, 9:43 GMT

    Rahul Dravid- The real "God" of Indian cricket.

  • Real_Statsguru on December 24, 2010, 9:42 GMT

    in the last 5 years, only twice has dravid scored a hundred when india has won. 1 match was a useless knock vs sri lanka after sehwag and gg had put on 250 and he just milked easy runs, second was vs the number 8 ranked nz recently. went missing vs sa, aus, eng the 3 best teams in the world. @ aks....dont worry about some of these people bashing sehwag. anyone who isn't blinkered will know that he is light years ahead of dravid. dravid cant even dream of coming close to sehwag's batting skills. scoring runs in tough losses is much better than scoring easy runs in wins after the best opener ever has put on 250 for 1st wicket or vs minnows ranked 8 and 9.

  • Real_Statsguru on December 24, 2010, 9:34 GMT

    dravid's last hundred outside the subcontinent was in 2006. since that was vs the second worst team in the world (west indies) in a match where every player scored runs in a high scoring draw, it holds no value. so you have to go back to adelaide 2003 for the last hundred. no hundred vs a top team outside the subcontinent in 7 years. that is shocking for a top order player. i wonder why no one from cricinfo posts things like that. drvaid has failed consistently vs top teams outside his peak yrs. pathetic avg vs aus, sa and sl away in his career incl his peak. outside that, he has failed vs every team ranked in the top 6 and scored vs nz, bang and wi (3 worst ranked teams in the world).

  • TheOnlyEmperor on December 24, 2010, 9:33 GMT

    For all those who contrast Aus and BCCI, it should be borne in mind that nowhere in the Aus media are people calling for Ponting's head, despite the low form that he is currently going through for more than a year. Ponting's test aggregate, vintage, innings played and averages are no different than that of Dravid's, yet Ponting's contract is in place by Cricket Aus till 2012 with every likelihood that Ponting wd play the 2013 Ashes! And here are people calling for Dravid's retirement in Tests! Dravid even today lends stability to the the middle order which permit the Indian team to let Sehwag go whacko with his shots. If not Dravid, who will be No3? SRT? VVS? Raina? Dhoni? You guys must be joking! A TEST MATCH SAVER is one who can play the maximum number of balls and not one who can score the most at a fast rate! Dravid has faced 28200 balls, Ponting 20700 and Kallis 25800 with similar number of innings. Dravid's contribution is priceless!

  • on December 24, 2010, 9:33 GMT

    50 matters. So does 120000!

  • Graeme_Swanns_Cat on December 24, 2010, 9:28 GMT

    More stuff on Dravid. Got to love it. For a player who hasn't scored decent runs in years, he sure gets a lot of media coverage. Must have a good guy managing his PR. It helps that Indian fans live in past glory and talk about what happened a million years back. Surprising when you chaps are now number 1 acc to the rankings and Dravid has contributed the least to it. What happened 10 years back doesn't count in the ranking. It is the last 3 years only.

  • addiemanav on December 24, 2010, 9:26 GMT

    someone said that the players dont want to elongate the tour by playing too many practice games..although this is not smart,but what can be done is the itenary should be such that the team plays ODIs before the tests..it helps in getting the players get acclimatised to the conditions and get into a sort of rythm,get the feel of the place..the drawback is,that you might be 3-0 down in the ODI series before u know it..but that is much better than losing 2 tests..we wud rather sacrifice odis than tests!!last 2 series in SA started with odis,the tests were much better..in 2001 ind scored 370-7 on day1 sachin & sehwag scored 100s ..and the last time ind won the 1st test after losing 4 odis..but yes,its not good preparation..but well, i had been saying this for past 3 months..even tweeting it to guys like sehwag and all..who's fault is this??bcci or players??who knows..but surely the series was lost before it began!!

  • RohithMedisetty on December 24, 2010, 9:21 GMT

    @ravikanth That's because Sangakarra played in sub continent his whole life

  • on December 24, 2010, 9:21 GMT

    dravid is team man. just look at percentage of times India have won while he has scored hundred. and he has record for highest no .of 100 partnership. he is one of the best cricketers of this decade. some1 mentioned about his average in last 4yrs but even sachin's record was similar like this in around 2003-7 when he was at his low. last thing both dravid and sachin are great in there own ways. its not fair comparing them

  • anilnadaikkave on December 24, 2010, 9:18 GMT

    Interesting comments.I,m surprised some body is looking askance at Dravid.Has he really been on decline?I,ve seen the footages&find that he hasn't got a problem with his form or reflexes.He has just faiedl to convert the starts!This has happened to many a great player,Sachin certainly being one of them!Not long ago experts were saying Sachin was finished.Today..they say he is far from finished.Mind you, a statue has nver been erected in honour of a critic!!!

  • lgnandan on December 24, 2010, 9:17 GMT

    Simple persons like Dravid don't expect him to be glorified by media or cricket pundits. He loves the game and plays passionately that's all he does on the field. He should have selected for WC squad!! That's what we fans of him expecting. unfortunately, he didn't get selected for WC. If he was given with that chance India wouldn't have lost nothing but gained extraordinary moments to see him on the field on his last days!!! still he remains in the hearts of cricket lovers.

  • on December 24, 2010, 9:11 GMT

    Well done Mr.Dependable....Rahul Dravid has been always unnoticed, despite contributing to teams victory. This is really unfortunate & adding to that Srikanth lead selection committee has ommitted last world cup captain from 30 probables.

  • on December 24, 2010, 9:08 GMT

    Well said Harsha. People who talk ill about RSD are from generation y or z people who have not seen the best of RSD, by the way he is still the wall. I suggest people abuse RSD should do a math and find out the number of tests India won when RSD scores a ton compared with that of Sachin, VVS and Viru. I will for somebody to do the math

  • sankar-aachen on December 24, 2010, 9:03 GMT

    WOW.. What an Article!!!! Brilliant Writing Harsha!!!! :D complete analysis from achievements to pitfalls.. among of the best one could ever write about this.. Hats off!!!

  • phoizal on December 24, 2010, 9:03 GMT

    Nice article Harsha. I had this strange thought - if Tendulkar is reincarnation of Arjuna then Dravid would be that of Ekalavya. As Drona (Could Gavaskar be Drona's reincarnation) was always kind of partial to Arjuna to make him the best warrior of Mahabharata times. Does history repeat?

  • Paddle_Sweep on December 24, 2010, 8:58 GMT

    Harsha, You can't blame others. I other day I don't think you talked much about Dravid on CNN-IBN. You could have very well talked about him. Why this inconsistency?

  • sachingod on December 24, 2010, 8:56 GMT

    I agree with harsha saying that dravid's achievement should have been acknowleged, but a lot of people are missing the whole point of the article. Dravid not getting his due is not sachin's fault, it's our fault as harsha has rightly said, i stay in bangalore and have been appalled that none of the local channels here even mentioned dravid's feat which is very sad and the way indian cricket has treated dravid post 2007 WC is just not right. Even sunil gavaskar had said that dravid should be dropped after he had a bad series against australia, would he have said the same thing if sachin didn't score runs in 6-7 tests??

  • on December 24, 2010, 8:52 GMT

    Harsha, if you really believed in the last line of yours then why this article? India did not let itself down by not recognizing Dravid's 12K, but we did so by celebrating Sachin's 50th century despite having an innings defeat (Read the next day papers!). But then, I don't blame you. To most of us, personal achievements have always been greater than team achievements (read all the replies below) and unfortunately, I have never found you an exception.

  • on December 24, 2010, 8:49 GMT

    We Indian are the greatest fan of Sachin Tendulkar, but in adoring Sachin we always tend to "DISRESPECT" the other great of indian cricket for many years and only second best to Sachin. Rahul Dravid deserves all the accolodes and admiration that sachin is getting. I feel pity of Rahul that not only the Media but even the former greats of Indian Cricket such as Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev, Dilip Vengsarkar etc. do give the due respect that rahul deserves. It is a shame on all of us that we did not appluded the 12,000 feat (only the second indian and fifth overall) of Dravid and instead ignored it fully.

    Rahul Dravid is the Best team man along with Sachin and we must give him all the due credits which he throughly deserves.

    We Love you Rahul. Please carry on the good work which you are doing for us for the last 15-16 years.

  • Shedha on December 24, 2010, 8:43 GMT

    @Indianpunter: agree to the extent that Dravid has not been in great form. But guess what, of the 3 people entering the 12000 run club, Ponting did it in 146 tests. Sachin in 152 and dravid in 148. So there is little to choose there. Lara did 11953 in only 131 tests. can't believe it? check the stats.. if he had been in 'form' in last 4 year (a period indianpunter mentioned) he could have been fastest to 12000.. Do you trust Raina to last a session in bouncy WACA, Durban or swinging Lords? Pujara might do better, but should replace Raina. Unless you have able replacements, dont just talk about retiring Dravid and laxman just for the heck of it. Sachin had a bad patch and he came back with aplomb. But no one dared ask for his head. agree nobody should have. But why the double standards Nice article harsha. India has let itself down, but this would have results later when down the years we'ill fail to produce great test batsmen and will be a team of swashbuckling hit or miss players.

  • aks007007 on December 24, 2010, 8:40 GMT

    mr mehul....sehwag can and has batted like dravid (adelaide just 1 example) but dravid cannot, has never and can never bat like sehwag. we will find another dravid easily but will never find another sehwag. sehwag will sweep past dravid's rather modest career stats soon, esp hundreds. his conversion rate for a number 3 is poor. unlike dravid, sehwag performs vs top teams. check perf vs aus for proof. dravid last 4 years has feasted on poor attacks only.

  • Jaggadaaku on December 24, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    I don't know what did Dhoni, Tendulkar, and 7 other players do in the name of to prepare for this series coming few weeks early in South Africa? Shopping and Travelling in South Africa???? Some of the players including the captain-Dhoni came to South Africa early to prepare for this important series while India was playing ODI series with New Zealand. I knew this is not gonna work because they started to show off saying this series against South Africa is very important and they want to go early to prepare for the weather, pitch and conditions. I knew they would just waste the time and money of Indian government and people. When they announced some of them would not waste their time playing ODIs with NZ, but they would leave early to South Africa to prepare for this important series, the Indian cricket fans appreciated their spirit and love towards this great game. But Indian people didn't know that Dhoni and other 8 players wanted to come earlier to SA for fun in free of charge.

  • Srinik_Cricket on December 24, 2010, 8:38 GMT

    I feel Harsha that you commentators and media also have to take the blame for this. You are words are perfect, what you said is bang on. It has been the same case for Kumble. I feel he was real hero all our victories at home or away. Australian media dosent care if Hussey scores 100 and they lose a match and neither their players give any weightage to their 100 when they lose a match. But in India it is different...I see lot of importance given to Sachins 100 than India winning. Same is the case with Laxman, I fell his fighting 79 with Ishant against Aussie was much better than 100 by Sachin on a Flat first inning track but asusual except your article about Laxman, I didnt see any media attention for such an excellent inning.

  • PottedLambShanks on December 24, 2010, 8:30 GMT

    Let's be honest, Indian cricket has been strutting around like it owns the place for some time now. I suspect a lot of people are enjoying seeing them be humiliated.

  • on December 24, 2010, 8:16 GMT

    @Indian punter:I suppose you were one of those who called for Sachin's head a couple of years ago when he was going through a lean trot?

  • on December 24, 2010, 8:13 GMT

    indian media and critics are biased which is very obviously visible and yet they claim to be fair....every now and then they try to dig or at times create news to play on TRP game which will yield them revenues from advertisers.... journalism has become a money making business rather than a noble work.....its very heartening being an indian fan to see such dismal treatment given to the best batsman in indian history. he deserves a lot more than what he has got. people may count on the quantity but they never understand the quality.....i wish if there was RTI act applicable on BCCI.

  • ssm69 on December 24, 2010, 8:07 GMT

    I guess since there has been a question mark over Dravid's form and his being part of the side, his personal landmark has not been noticed.Today he is part of this side only because of his past laurels. Let's grudgingly accept it. This side has been successful in the last 2 years inspite of Rahul's poor form and the team has virtually carried a non performer.There is no question about his greatness and his legacy in the annals of cricket.

  • PontingForPM on December 24, 2010, 8:03 GMT

    What's this rubbish about "matchwinning" that Indian fans keep talking about? It's the bowlers who win tests and not the batsmen. Runs in losses mean more than easy runs in wins. Check Ponting's twin effort vs SA in 2008 for an example. Besides, if avg in wins was a criteria Inzamam would be the greatest player after Bradman and Sangakkara would be greater than Lara. Ponting is one of the greatest of all time but there are mediocre players who have better avgs in wins. Doesn't make the, better. Get real. Such stats are useless. A batsman's job is to go out and get runs all the time. Then it's upto the bowlers to take the 20 wickets. If everyone does their job, you get a win. If you lose, blame the people who didn't do the job rather than those who did. It's a team game for a reason. That is why Australia has been a great team while India has been poor and is now struggling to hold their number 1 spot. Indian fans lack a basic understanding of the game!

  • on December 24, 2010, 8:03 GMT

    and those of u talking abt him playing slow...comeon this is not a t20 version and he's one of the last classical test match batsman so give him the due respect ...he knows how to build an innings and has done it tonnes of time before ...and i dunno u guys speak as if u all have had yrs of experience...its easier to say than to be done...these guys r legends of the game no one needs to teach them on wht to do and wht not to...can u guys ask sehwag to play cautiously during pressure ??/ NO u can't cos tht's how he plays same is with dravid..his role is to provide the all important stability an anchor the innings...which he has done acc to the situation all time...in test he plays with abit more patience and in odi he has done with a far better sr....tht's why dravid's the top star..he may not be a prodigy but he has worked hard towards reaching the place he is now...hardwork perseverance sincerity determination alll along with him .and the way he adapts to all formats need to be praised

  • Alexk400 on December 24, 2010, 8:01 GMT

    I am dravid fan. He is a team man. All soul. Sachin on the other hand , ME ME and i want to be NOT OUT so i can have better average in SA. For Dravid is miles ahead of sachin when it comes to play for team goals and winning. Sachin nowadays playing for records and he wants that WORLD cup so desperate. if dhoni or sehwag injure , india will be done and dusted in the world cup. I will cherish if india loses world cup with sachin in it. I think it is a travesty selfish players like sachin allow to win a world cup with other players blood and sweat. Almost like stealing.

    Anyway all SA need is put 200% effort to get sehwag out early in next two tests and india crashed out. I see 3-0 win because zaheer khan is not steyn level, he can get one or two wicket. That main problem in first test was BHAJI was useless.

    I see south africa planned very well. in bowling never allow bhaji to settle , batting take all the gift sehwag gives without making a mess.

    India really need 145kph bowler.

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:59 GMT

    Why the Indian Cricket Board(BCCI) is not planning a tour abroad? Before any Test Match is played the Indian Team should have enough practice matches and acclimatisation of the weather conditions. During 2007 Boxing day Test in Melbourne against Australia, the Indian Team had the same fate. No match practice and right away played the Test match. This is a repeat at South Africa. Hope the BCCI will learn from these mistakes and allow the Indian Team sufficient time atleast 15 days before going into a Test match abroad. Ramamoorthy.A

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:53 GMT

    damn you indianpunter. I dont think you have even seen the smaller picture If Tendulkar was Australian given his lean patch in 2005-2007. He would have been dropped too if the same yardsticks are applied. Glad we dont think like that and credit to the Indian Selectors for giving RSD and SRT the space here. That said; RSD is not in match winning form and that is right. But 12,000 is no mean achievement. With RSD the statistics dont matter. He is a great who won us test matches in grounds we never would have done so. Notably, Bridgetown, WACA & Headingley. His 270 at the National Stadium, Karachi is also a landmark innings.

  • aks007007 on December 24, 2010, 7:50 GMT

    @mehul...why do you bring sehwag into this? dravid cannot even come close to sehwag. dravid is a minnow basher last few years. his last hundred outside india was in 2006 vs a pathetic wi team. sehwag scored all over the world. dravid's recent years runs have all come vs sl at home and 8th ranked nz. dravid is a liability.

  • TamilIndian on December 24, 2010, 7:48 GMT

    I had posted a similar question somewhere - why don't the batsmen who have more clout demand practice matches. My theory is they dont want to have long overseas tours. They want to go there take the first match as the practice game and move on.

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:42 GMT

    Even as we speak sangakkara averages more than tendulkar and kallis is .03 behind and there are others very close by.Tendulkar is not even far ahead of his peers.Really I don't know what the fuss is all about

  • kaymay on December 24, 2010, 7:35 GMT

    Rahul Dravid has been the unsung hero of the Indian team. It is sad to see that he doesn't get as much attention as he deserves. I totally agree that he has the best temperament and adaptation to any game be it Test, ODI or T20. Over the entire career his achievements have been overshadowed by someone else. when he scores a 50 someone else has a century, when he scores a century someone else has a double century. He has contributed consistently over his entire career and he has always been in the numbers across all the wins India has had. The Adelaide test win although remains his own as it was completely dominated by RD with more than 300 runs in the match. 12000 Runs and is record is in touching distance of what Ricky Ponting has achieved and he is talked about very highly. In my books RD is definitely at par with SRT and the Indian media could have atleast given some airtime on Rahul's illustrative career on his achievement which was again overshadowed by Sachins 50th Test Ton.

  • sweetspot on December 24, 2010, 7:34 GMT

    Without taking anything away from Dravid's accomplishments in cricket, let's not forget cricket or any sport is for enjoyment. Sachin provides a great deal of FUN, no matter what he does. He is no less in the application department, but with Sachin around "anything" can happen! Why do you think we don't notice Dravid that much? I'm sure he loves being to himself and all of that, but what else can he do? This is the team that has Sehwag, Sachin, Laxman, Harbhajan, and a few others who provide a LOT of fun. Dravid may be the reliable Mr. Wall, but who needs to stare at a wall when the sky throws up so many colours? If you go to a temple, do you see the deity in all its glory or admire the door for keeping the temple safe?

  • TheOnlyEmperor on December 24, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    I still remember the days when Rahul used to struggle to up his strike rate in ODIs, so much so that a talented player like him seemed like a liability. But then, he DECIDED to make himself more valuable to the team, by also becoming the wicketkeeper and thereby giving the team the luxury of opting for an extra batsman or bowler. Playing at No.3 after wicketkeeping is no mean feat, as the No3 position is the rudder to the ship as it moves towards the target. Ganguly had more freedom as an opener as compared to Rahul @ No3 with similar strike rates. Rahul was an atypical ODI player, yet he is after more than 3100 games in ODI history, amongst the top-7 ODI run getters. Rahul is a role model to all cricketers who wish to re-invent themselves and making the best of their ability to maximise effectiveness and performance for the team. He is an antithesis to the Indian patented attitudinal approach "We'll play our 'natural' game! We won't change! We are like this only!"

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:31 GMT

    I think we sould have not rejoiced in any of the achievements either of tendulkar or dravid for we lost the match by an innings for gods sake. And its not the fault of the players its bcci's fault; if you do not play any tour matches for such an important series this was surely inevitable .The england team played 3 practice games in Australia and they are performing really well and we have wasted yet another opportunity of winning in south africa when our famed batting line up is still around.I dont see it happening again looking at the younger generation of yuvraj,sharmas and rainas

  • 100_rabh on December 24, 2010, 7:29 GMT

    i still cant believe the way in which Sachin exposed the tailenders on last day of 1st test match. Agreed that result was inevitable but one could have delayed it as late as possible. Look at the way Lakshman did it in last few tests.

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:28 GMT

    Dear Harsha,

    As a true cricket fan, I strongly condemn your observation that India had let itself down by not acknowledging Dravid getting past 12,000 runs. If I may rephrase your observation, the Indian Media hasn't acknowledged(sufficiently) Rahul's achievement. Please for the umpteenth time, do not mistakeIndian Media for us Cricket fans. They don't reflect our opinions or sentiment. Any one with some degree of knowledge for the game and I can include most of Cricinfo readers in that, has acknowledged this feat.

    And just as I'm sick of hearing VVS never gets his due from cricket fans. Nothing's further from the truth than that. Media perhaps didn't recognise enough his talent and achievements. We have. You as part of the media are unfortunately collateral damage.

  • sweetspot on December 24, 2010, 7:27 GMT

    Which is a bigger achievement Harsha? Getting to 50 Test tons, or 12,000 Test runs? Sure we should acknowledge Dravid getting to 12,000, but Sachin is in such rarefied atmosphere on his own, that I'm sure even Dravid would not mind our single minded adulation of Tendulkar's genius, all by itself. What's this reference to Sachin perhaps becoming a Formula One driver and Dravid an Olympic shooter? Does Formula One driving need any less focus or determination or dedication? It is singularly the hardest sport in the world, ounce for ounce of energy spent, and is not one bit flashy to pursue. It would take both the determination of Dravid and the envelope pushing ability of SRT to succeed in F1. I have no idea why Dravid makes batting look so difficult even after Sehwag has pulverized the attack before he comes in. He slows himself down, even with the accolades he receives.

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:25 GMT

    Nice article by Harsha.I am happy that somebody raised this issue.It seems that Indian media recognises only entertainers,in that case I suggest a test team with one Sacchin,one Sewhag three Doni'es ,two Yousuf Pathans,and four Harbajans....! Either we we will win in Three days or loose the five test series 1-4...!

  • sandman2203 on December 24, 2010, 7:23 GMT

    good article... very rarely seen trait these days. DRAVID has been phenomenal overseas. record books will approve that. SADLY in INDIA, people never recognizes the grit. it has always been like that. MINDSET need to change. bigotry should not come in picture when u evaluate 2 great persons. in winning and rescuing causes, dravid stood taller then sachin. in 1st test sachin must have stayed there longer and prevented india from inning's defeat. but he let shree and unadkat take guards against steyn. disappointing stuff from a person like sachin!!!

  • Balamuarli on December 24, 2010, 7:19 GMT

    @TestCricketFanatic

    To be more precise on the adelaide test india went on to win the match from 85/4 in first inn because of dravid in both the innings .

    Aus 1st inn :556 /10

    india 1st inng : 523 , india were at 85/4 at one point , then dravid went on to score 233 in first inngs. in second innings he went on to score 72 runs to win the test match .

    i still remember when last 2-3 runs needed ,he took singles and gaurded agarkar before hitting wining runs .

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:14 GMT

    these are dravids averages from stasguru year 1996 7 436 39.63 year 1997 12 984 61.5 year 1998 5 413 45.88 year 1999 10 865 48.05 year 2000 6 624 78 year 2001 13 935 46.75 year 2002 16 1357 59 year 2003 5 803 100.37 year 2004 12 946 63.06 year 2005 8 640 53.33 year 2006 12 1095 60.83 year 2007 10 606 35.64 year 2008 15 805 30.96 year 2009 6 747 83 year 2010 11 744 46.5 But I agree with indianpunter dravid is past his prime and should have retired by now

  • bismoy on December 24, 2010, 7:12 GMT

    i find some of comment from dravid fans absolute bad taste toward the great sachin.. yes dravid has been great servant for india over almost 15 year and need acknowledgment for same.But he is simply not good enough to be compared to sachin.period. Sachin is one's in a lifetime player,there are 1000 dravid u will find in india. people who think dravid has not been acknowledged just take example for jaques kallis,similar talent much better player,still is not acknowledged.

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    Common people! why is sachin's achivement being subdued now...both the players are remarkable and are one of the best quality batsmen india have produced...sachin's achievement was over hyped by the media, clearly because he was the first man on the planet to do that...just think abt it.. what if Dravid made 50 test centuries and sachin reached 12000 thousand runs.. then Dravid would have definitely made the headlines in the newspapers..

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:09 GMT

    very well said indeed..My father had attended a management workshop conducted by u and was very impressed by what u had spoken that time.. i remember u were giving examples of how the cricketers are good managers too and abt dravid u had said - 'out hi nhi hota !!'

  • on December 24, 2010, 7:08 GMT

    Dravid was the best Indian batsmen from 2002 until his series winning effort at Jamaica.Surely surpassing Tendulkar in that period speaks a lot about him.But yeah the Dravid of today doesn't inspire much confidence.The only match winning knock he played in all of these years was his 191 against New Zealand this year and I know not many will rate it highly.I have to admit Dravid has to retire.We need to blood youngsters when Tendulkar and Laxman who are in better form are around.One shudders to think about the team when all of these legends will go at the same time.The new guys need time to settle or else they will be sitting ducks.It may not be palatable to some Dravid fans but it should be done for the sake of Indian cricket.

  • wincrick on December 24, 2010, 6:55 GMT

    The Indian team was done in by the old problem of failing to adapt to the conditions and the bouncing and seaming balls. The blame must go to the players especially Suresh Raina for practicing the least inspite of him having weakness against quality fast bowling and short pitched deliveries and also to the BCCI for arranging a schedule like this without any practice match. They must realise that practising in the nets is one thing and playing a practice match is another thing.Their bowling was the worst. It lacked discipline and they looked out of sorts especilly Sreeshant who was more interested in making faces rather than concentrating on taking wickets. Abhijith Radhakrishnan

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:53 GMT

    As usual Rahul Dravid'sgreat milestone of reaching 12000 runs has not been given its due. Indian cricket has many such underrated heros- Mohinder Amarnath, Rahul Draivid and VVS Lakshman, who never got their full dues. Tendulkar is unique but the others also have served India with flair and distinction.

    Mohan Ram

  • paddynair on December 24, 2010, 6:52 GMT

    Brilliant article.It is however in three parts 1) about why Sachin has lasted long 2)Ignoring a great cricketer like Dravid and 3) Why india always loses the first test.It is ridiculous to go into the first test without preparation.The batsmen have to get used to a quite different pace of bowler and bounce of wicket.The bowlers need to adjust their length.They bowled atrociously

    This business of trying to maximise the number of matches compromises quality and needs to be relooked at.The fact that the who's who of BCCI (who have never played big league cricket) don't agree is a major factor.The selection committee should decide this issue....

  • 100_rabh on December 24, 2010, 6:49 GMT

    if we have had an Aussie selection committe, Harbhajan would have been dropped after his first century against NZ 'coz he was not doing his main job..taking wickets. At current form, Ashwin looks a far better bowler than Bhajji even though he took a fiver against NZs in last test (any Indian spinner worth his salt would have done that)

  • LilleeTheLegend on December 24, 2010, 6:49 GMT

    If Ian Chappell had have written a similar article (as he has in the past) all the racist remarks and Ozzy Bashers would have crawled out of their collective worm holes and into the fray! Great article as always though Harsha... It is all about the truth and the beautiful game, as it shuold be!

  • Prasad-Slogger on December 24, 2010, 6:47 GMT

    Awesome article! Though i am a big Sachin supporter. I feel sorry for Dravid that he is not got much appericiated for his hard work in test cricket to score 12,000 runs. Sachin and Dravid are the two eyes of modern day test cricketers for india.No one in the world to beat the class of dravid strokes. No one is there to play a perfect Text Book strokes other than Rahul Dravid. I am not sure what indian cricket fans are expecting as they always keep talking about negatives of all these great cricketers. Do they think our youngsters can perform better than Sachin and Dravid? If yes, then why the youngsters are not producing a quality outputs? After Kapil dev and Srinath we did'nt find any quality fast bowlers? other than Zaheer in these many years. Are we going to feel again for Sachin and Dravid after the greats retire? May be yes.

  • TheOnlyEmperor on December 24, 2010, 6:34 GMT

    I saw Dravid sitting aloof and alone in one corner of the security hall of an Indian airport, waiting to get into the aircraft to fly back home after a day-night ODI the previous day in which he had scored a century in a losing cause. So, I walked up to him and said "well played Rahul". He was almost astonished at the unexpected " intrusion " but weakly said "yeah, thanks". That brief interaction gave me an insight at how much he likes to keep to himself and the way he handles himself in situations. I still rate him the most mentally strong player in the Indian team, willing to PATIENTLY fight to get THE TEAM out of a tight situation as opposed to GETTING aggressive to fight YOURSELF out of a hole. When the situation gets very tight for the team, Dravid is leagues above SRT not only in terms of situation adaptability and stemming panic onset, but actually using the benefit of his batting prowess and technique aptly in the situation. Truly a priceless talent for India!

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:33 GMT

    We indians are used to celebrate the meaningless achievements. Let Tendulkars enjoy the unworthy prises while dravids contribute to match winning and match saving.

  • TestCricketFanatic on December 24, 2010, 6:32 GMT

    @Rydham - With all due respect even Sachin had a lean patch...and everyone is human. Being a huge fan of test cricket I was disappointed that a huge achievement of 12000 runs was not acknowledged by the so called cricket pundits. This comment by you "Dravid was never a great player" tells that your knowledge on cricket as such is minuscule. Dravid's exploits as the Adelaide test are still fresh in memory (scoring 200+ & 80+ in the test match is no mean feat). I am just saying that every achievement should be appreciated without bias. Also Jacques Kallis scored his maiden double in that test match years after Jason Gillespie scored a double. Will you say that Jason Gillespie to be a better batsman than Kallis?

  • kamesh. on December 24, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    Shabbash Great wall of Indian Cricket DRAVID!!!!...We proud of you DRAVID...You are always best...Score a Big hundred in Durban for INDIA...All the very best...

  • venkatesh018 on December 24, 2010, 6:27 GMT

    Harsha, once again u've hit the nail on the head. Why cannot people like Sachin pressure the Indian board to schedule enough practice matches before every major overseas tour? Next year India are going to England on a big series against another very good bowling attack and I wonder what sort of warm up will the IPL provide? With regards to Rahul Dravid not getting the due recognition, as u have correctly pointed out it is a reflection of modern india,where duds like Sania Mirza get more footage than actual performers like Vishwanathan Anand and Saina Nehwal.

  • unknown1234 on December 24, 2010, 6:25 GMT

    Completely agree with Harsha, its a sad thing that we don't acknowledge simple people. I think he is the best number 3 batsman in the world of this generation. He scored couple of centuries I guess in the last series against NZ if i am not wrong yet we say he is in bad form... Can't help myself to stop laughing. Only in the third test he failed one failure in 3 matches is fine for me

  • akpy on December 24, 2010, 6:21 GMT

    harsha always suggests he is batting for the low-profile players like vvs, rahul...excuse me, but sachin is probably the most shy, low-profile guy as an indvidual - but the cricket fans adore him from his younger days because they saw something in him - and the media will always milk the most popular profile to sell their stuff - see, how dhoni is now having more endorsements..but dhoni again is a very private person..only yuvi, bhajji are occasionally seen partying, which again if they are doing during off-cricket period should be fine as they are humans too..as long as it does not affect their game, unfortunately yuvi failed in maintaining this balance and is suffering now. So, all i am saying is let people not say rahul is not in limelight, etc and then say sachin gets it - sachin never asks for it. Also, rahul did not make a big score in the match, so he got mention for what he did - check sachin's records and he invariably makes a big score at such times..

  • mehul_shroff on December 24, 2010, 6:20 GMT

    Excellent Article this from Harsha... Its sad tht Dravid has not got the recognition he deserves. Bt I guess its his style and the way he scores his runs that keeps him away from the limelight. Whn Sehwag gets a 100, its full of strokeplay and people remember it for ages, but even if Dravid scores a double, it almost goes unnoticed!! He has so much of paitence and works so hard for his runs and never ever gives up.. but since the modern day cricket has evolved, people have started to get more and more anti-Dravid because of his batting style. I am saddened to say that it looks like it is always going to remain this way and Dravid will probably never get his share of appreciation and spotlight from the fans as well as the media, but then I guess Dravid really doesnt care abt it. He continues to serve India as he always has, battling not just the opposition bowlers, but also his fellow countrymen and critics. Now that makes Dravid even mroe special for me.

  • Pradeeps_Speed on December 24, 2010, 6:19 GMT

    I was just hoping someone would bring up this matter. Pathetic Indian media. There wasn't a single word of mention about Dravid reaching 12000 runs. Even the news papers from Karnataka had little mention about this even though he hails from there. He is only the 3rd person to score 12000 and it goes unnoticed. When Sachin missed his 50th ton against NZ, the news got more attention than Dravid's 191. Common people, it's high time we stop being bigoted.

  • indianpunter on December 24, 2010, 6:14 GMT

    Harsha is normally a level headed bloke who does not get carried away too easily. But i am sad to say that he this article has missed the mark by a long way. Sure, Tendulkar scored yet another century in a losing cause ( under very little pressure, as India were going to lose the test anyway) and that took the focus away from Dravid. But, sadly, harsha missed the bigger picture. Dravid has been playing in the Indian team for far too much longer than he should have. His record in the last 4 yrs ( except aginast NZ and SL at home) has been pathetic and were he an Australian, he would have been doing commentary now. Dravid has undone his greatness to a large extent by not calling quits. Even now people think he is going to save India in SA. Dream on ! Dravid should retire ! now! he can bask in his glory then !

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:12 GMT

    Yes , true indeed. Dravid has scored 12,000 runs and no one bothered to talk about it or even recognize its importance. I too agree that Tendulkar is the greatest batsmen of modern times , but Dravid is certainly no less. He has always been the backbone of indian cricket and he's also not called 'the wall' for nothing. This is totally unfair.

    Hats of to Harsha !

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:11 GMT

    thats ridiculous!! for people who say dravid is not a great player, please do go check out his achievements in the last 15 years...

  • SachisTHEstory on December 24, 2010, 6:08 GMT

    I think the era for recognition of people like Dravid is over. Selflessness is not a virtue anymore, but a cliche which has lost colour with the current generation.

    As for Dravid, I don't think he'll mind. However, I desperately hope that he stops playing as if he's fighting for a place in the side. I want him to own that number 3 spot!

    I think Dravid doesn't get as much recognition because he hardly give himself any. Case in point - his reaction to the last score of 191. He looks at himself as a loyal servant of Indian cricket, while he is one of the greats of the game!

  • sahib_cricket on December 24, 2010, 6:05 GMT

    Everybody is talking about tendulkars 50 centruries but they should also talk about why he didnt farm the strike during the last minutes of the match, we needed 30 more runs to save an innings defeat, instead tendulkar was taking singles and giving the strike to tail enders which was very bemusing. I know people wont like what i say here but it is a fact. Although if his Aim was to remain not out he did that well then

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:02 GMT

    A very good comment by Harsha, According to me, Dravid is the best player as far as technique is concerned. I'll give priority to Dravid on Sachin in Test Matches. Dravid has not got that kind of spot light which Sachin has got. Fans always give priority to Sehwag, Sachin, Dhoni because they are the real entertainers, they make quick runs. But they haven't seen that the real hard work has done by Dravid and his recent 12,000 runs record proves that with an average of over 50. Same kind of thing happens with Kumble in his era. Because bowlers in India has not got that kind of limelight as Batsman got . So at last I want to say that these players are gems like Kohinoor. Please give them some credit and limelight.

  • on December 24, 2010, 6:01 GMT

    Absolutely true Harsha !!! Thkz for reminding ppl abt WALL's achievement . this is not new to rahul and his ardent fans. But we as a fan of dravid alway cherish n acknowledge his records. Dravid will always maintain his calm demeanour no matter how criticism hurt him. Undoubtedly he s one of d all time greats. Shane Warne quoted "Rahul Dravid being known as 'The Wall' is pretty much spot on. 'The fortress' could also describe Rahul. Because once, Dravid was set, you needed the bowling equivalent of a dozen cannon firing all at once to blast him down".. WALL Always stands TALLLLLLLLLL .

  • 100_rabh on December 24, 2010, 6:01 GMT

    Agreed that India forgot that it has lost a test match comprehesively against a team ranked below it but not agreed completely with the article. You cant compare pitches in India and SA with Tamil and French! At least our cricketers know the basics. Our team has heavily relied on Zaheer Khan, Virendra Sehwag and Sachin (in same order) in winning the test matches in recent times. Ishant and Sreeshant have to do some soul searching, they are not rookies any more.

  • RaghuramanR on December 24, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    I cant believe that this is an article from Harsha! It is commentators including Harsha who get swayed by the flashes of 5 second brilliance and ignore the tireless work. The last line summed it up all.

  • diehard-5 on December 24, 2010, 5:57 GMT

    But once Tony Greig said. when Dravid reached 10000 mark, that the 10000 club is overrated because even an average player like Dravid found a place in it... Dravid is mostly underrated because he has such a sedate style of batting. It's almost as if he is afraid to play the shots. Bhogle compared him to an Olympic shooter. But I compare him to a midfielder in Football, who prepares the ground for the forwards to strike a goal than striking the goal himself. That is the reason why he never was in the limelight but not because he keeps to himself.

  • patelhrishir on December 24, 2010, 5:57 GMT

    Dravid is a GREAT player in TEST whenever he scores a century India hardly lose any match but this is not with Sachin.

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:54 GMT

    @ Rydham. for your better knowledge, whenever dravid has scored a hundred in test matches india have lost just one of them, others are win or draw, so u can see, how dravid plays, he is the great player, n u compare him with hayden who is far behind him in all the ways, u better check the statics....

  • Nadeem1976 on December 24, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    What sachin has is called greatest and what dravid has is called determination. Hanif muhammad and Shoaib mohammad had more determanination than Dravid but they never got praise from the people. People wants entertainment and greatness and genius. Which tendulkar has. Why Dhoni is multi millionare today becuase he is entertaining and sehwag too. Dravid is great great legend but he is not entertaining at all. Sorry to say but fact is people are fed up of slow cricket. Thats why he is not in ODI. I am not saying 12000 runs is not a great acheivement its extreme acheivement but he did not help india to save the match. Sachin 100 showed why India is #1 team in the world and there was chance to save the match at one point.

    I salute to Dravid for his greatness but when you talk about greatest ever then dravid has no place in front of Sachin. Bad day for Dravid i think.

  • offpitchcaptain on December 24, 2010, 5:40 GMT

    in a country obsessed with stats -how did they even forget dravids achiements-i get the feeling they r so obsessed with sachin they forget he went through a horrible patch in 2004-07-when dravid was captain none of the top players were in form-yet what he achieved as acpatain in tests was fantastic- its sad also when a individual feat is more than important than a trouncing india got

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:39 GMT

    No question Dravid has been a stalwart and that India should have celebrated his iconic landmark; but it also must be realized it has come when he is on a decline. For those who beg to differ, here's some eye-opening stats and since he has been one of the game's legends; it's only fair to consider more than a season to measure him up.

    I checked last 3 years, total 33 tests:

    Career: Tests 148, Avg. 53, 100s 31, 50s 59 Vs Aus: Tests 10, Avg. 28, 100s 0, 50s 4 Vs SA: Tests 4, Avg. 39, 100s 1, 50s 0 Vs Eng: Tests 2, Avg. 36, 100s 1, 50s 0

    While Sachin's:

    Career: Tests 175, Avg. 57, 100s 50, 50s 59 Vs Aus: Tests 10, Avg. 76, 100s 4, 50s 6 Vs SA: Tests 4, Avg. 72, 100s 3, 50 0 Vs Eng: Tests 2, Avg. 52 100s 1, 50 0

    Numbers don't lie, especially when they span a few years. Truly great player that he has been, I believe it's time for him to make way for the new generation! He will be cherished as a selfless 'scientist' son of India!

  • Biophysicist on December 24, 2010, 5:39 GMT

    I think Indians at large are obsessed with Tendulkar. How else can one explain the fact that Dravid's marathon innings of 191 in the Nagpur test against NZ got less news coverage than Tendulkar missing the chance to score a century? I am not saying that we should not celebrate Tendulkar's achievements, but that we should also celebrate the successes of other players.

  • tikna on December 24, 2010, 5:36 GMT

    The last line sums up the 1st test really well

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:24 GMT

    rahul Dravid never got the respect that he actually deserves. Harsha sir, once again you are on spot.

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:22 GMT

    Dravid is a class act, no doubt. But these days runs for him seem to have dried up. Whatever runs he scores nowadays, they are laboured runs. The free flowing leg glance, square drive, back foot punch, short arm jab... are nowhere to be seen. He is a pale shadow of himself... Indians are known to give due importance to personal milestones rather than team performance...in that scenario it was surprisingly pleasant to know that Dravid's feat was not given respect. Sachin hogging limelight in media is also shame. The team has suffered one of the heaviest defeats n we are lavishing on Sachin's laurels n feats. The worst part was that Sachin was content after reaching the coveted mark and showed no intent to take the fight into opposition. This way at least he could have saved India from the blushes of innings defeat. It is hight time, not for media but also for common public to ignore individual achievements and move forward. This is the only way, it seems, to press foot forward.

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:16 GMT

    "India produced the landmarks, brilliant as they are; South Africa produced the result. "

    Brilliant line.. Encapsulated the entire test perfectly.

  • vardarajan101 on December 24, 2010, 5:14 GMT

    Even when rd declared with sach on 194 ,that was as cheap an act as it can get ,where were you harsha then ,indian people instead labelled sachin as selfish for getting angry over 200 that was rd in prime form -right ?

    a player who always scored above a strike rate of 85 in odis was called selfish and playing for his own records while rd who once remained not out on 49 and expected tailenders to score off majority of 22 runs required in 3 overs as rd scored 4 runs off 7 balls and india lost by 6 runswith needed in last over -that was rd in form

    a sachin who was lone fighter for india is called selfish,no match winner ,that did not hurt you harsha ---- shame

    i did not think that harsha was against sachin but u have proved me wrong

    In 1999 1st test at wellington in swinging conditions sachin got 47 and 113 while rd got just 1 and 28 still next match a flat pitch at napier rd got 190 and 103 in a draw and sach's knock was cut short to 69 by wrong decision ,still it was rd's series ?

  • natasrik on December 24, 2010, 5:11 GMT

    It is true the whole world talk only about Sachin, but to me he is as good as a batsman like Rahul, Laxman, Azhar, Viru etc from India, Ponting, Kallis, Sanga, Amla, Smith,few of them from International side. I would like to take the debate in a different way contribution from these great players in winning the test matches for their country, Sachin 60 matches, but if you see the MOM awards in this it is a poor 4 of them, but rest of the players mentioned above have more than 4 and international cricketers all above 4 way ahead of Sachin. Comparision has to be only on the winning matches, because that is the match in which a team has taken 20 Wickets of the opposition. Draw on the flat pitches should not be taken into account. In my opinion comparision should be with this group and not with Bradman who is way ahead of this group. Harsha, Steven, Ramesh should start the debate with this criteria only.

  • prateek1710 on December 24, 2010, 5:10 GMT

    this is indian cricket.... its great 2 hear respctd ppl like mr. harsha bhogle r cuming out wid stuff lyk dis... as 4 rahul,he has never given much imprtnc 2 ppls adulation...he is like dat only.. n maybe dats d reasn 4 him having a very supportive fan base...(like him only)..... just think - SACHIN scored 14.5 K runs in 21 years... n guys like RAHUL n KALLIS have scrd 12K runs in 15 yrs... if rahul was a mumbaikar,he wud have got an early dbut n wud have scrd more runs dan sachin.. n 1 more thing.--- rahul has won more tests n also helped draw more tests dan sachin...

  • on December 24, 2010, 5:08 GMT

    That's RAHUL DRAVID for you. All these days in his career he never wished to be in spotlight. He just concentrated on his game. But he is so unlucky to be playing in the same era of another legend SACHIN who has just born to bat :( . Congrats DRAVID. Wish to see you overtake Ponting soon.

  • rangav on December 24, 2010, 5:06 GMT

    Nice article Harsha. Reading the last paragraph, it reminds me of the time when India first achieved its No.1 ranking and the Indian media/former players spent a lot of time criticizing Ian Chappell for not rating India No.1 since he did not believe we had the bowlers to sustain ourselves. Guess they aren't going to acknowledge his point now, are they?

  • vardarajan101 on December 24, 2010, 5:04 GMT

    Great Harsha so now you are feeling the pinch , there was a time when sachin's achievements were labelled as selfish .then you did not feel hurt . the 2nd test of 2002 series in england ,india were trailing by 270 and were 11 for 2 when sachin and rd scored ,rd 's 115 is remembered as match saving but no credit is given to sachin who took attack to england and scored at almost run a ball 92(104) balls ,then harsha did not feel that sachin's knock has been forgotten-it was sachin's knock that demoralised the english.but match saviour was only rd since it was rd in form . rd scored 148 at headingley ,was rightly mom but sachin's 193 is never even mentioned as match winning ...where were you harsha then ? VVS failed the whole of 99 series in aus except one knock in sydney ,rd was hopeless could not go past 40 even once ,it was only sachin then but always it is shown that rd plays better than sach overseas ,where were you harsha then

  • Morpheus273 on December 24, 2010, 5:02 GMT

    It hurts when Indians don't appreciate what Dravid has done over the years. It hurts even more and contradictorily gives a feeling of proud when players, ex-players hail THE WALL, Rahul Dravid. People across the cricketing world understand the importance of one Mr Dravid in the Indian team, which the Indian team and largely the Cricketing public fail to understand and acknowledge. What he had done for you over the years can't be expected from any one else in the team. He has helped India see the elusive victories in tough conditions abroad for last 15 years. And why do we forget for years and years together he was asked to keep wickets as well in ODIs. An this is what he gets for his efforts. He gets dropped from the ODI and is never considered for the T20 team. Indians have the habbit of adoring the splashy stuff. People wake up.

    Here's Dravid for u: Tests: 12000+ Runs, Record for highest # of catches ODI: 10000+ Runs, Kept wickets Has never cribbed and done wats best for INDIA

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:59 GMT

    I dont think Dravid looses sleep about recognition or no recognition. He is a cool guy who tries do play technically correct cricket keeping his down. I am sure sachin is the same. It is the media and some critics and fans who think differently. I am not too sure if we will be able to find an able replacement for time to come when Dravid finally leaves Test team after 3 or 4 years.

  • crikbuff on December 24, 2010, 4:56 GMT

    Great point about Dravid's achievement being neglected. However, Harsha seems to be sitting on the fence on the practice match issue. If he wants to put the blame on BCCI, then he should say so without beating around the bush! And the root cause is that there is too much cricket, especially with IPL taking up so much time of the calendar. And Harsha has openly endorsed IPL - so he is partly to blame for this situation!

  • Akkii on December 24, 2010, 4:53 GMT

    Fanatic Indian cricket and Tendulkar fans, please do not read below

    Though a bit off-track, i was also appalled the way Tendukar handled the tail. Atleast he should have looked to erase the deficit. I'm not saying he could have saved the test match but atleast he could try to take India past the deficit.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:50 GMT

    Ohh !!...yet another Master piece by gr8 Harsha Bhogle... I specially loved the lines - 1. ''Very good players are respected for life for scoring half those'' 2. "I found that staggering: that an Indian captain was having to negotiate with his own administration for the best possible opportunity to win"

    This truly describes India's mentality when it comes to improve on what they've always struggled for..

    The summarisation by the single line "India produced the landmarks, brilliant as they are; South Africa produced the result" is simply superb... hats off Harsha :)

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:48 GMT

    Exceptional article again by Harsha! Dravid has always preferred to stay away from the spotlight it seems. In 1999, against Sri Lanka, when Ganguly scored that fantastic century in the World cup, Dravid was there alongside him. No one talked about him. The famous 2001 Kolkota turnaround with VVS scoring one of the greatest knock of all time. Dravid was in a slump and he was there with him the entire day, again, in the shadows. And now he scores his 12000th run when Sachin scores his 50th century. I hope he scores a match-winning or match-saving century in the 2nd test at Durban, again. And if he does, I am sure that some bowler will get a 5 wicket haul and overshadow Dravid's heroics...

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:47 GMT

    india sent haf their players to south africa before even the NZL odi series started... how else do you want them to prepare? Open camp and settle in Johannesburg?

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on December 24, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    True, Dravid unfortunately always goes uncelebrated but he never seems to mind, a true measure of the man. Very selfless, one of my favorite players. Ind can say what they want about toss, warm up etc. but there are no excuses for a 2 innings to 1 defeat, especially when they took only 4 SA wickets. Bottom line is they were outplayed by a better team on the day and have a whole lot of work to do to get back into the series.

  • ram_sachin on December 24, 2010, 4:42 GMT

    Dravid is one such unsung hero of Indian cricket, who I feel is unlucky to be playing the same era of Sachin Tendulkar, as the latter grabs the limelight and the former is not acknowledged. Even for that matter the likes of Laxman falls to be in the same cordon. We'r great as a team, but individual performances should also be given some praise.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:40 GMT

    Pretty good article I must say. Sad that Dravid's achievement got overshadowed by Tendulkar's 50th ton. Unless, the Indian bowling attack pulls up its socks, its going to be a very short stay at the top for the Men In Blue.

  • cricinfofreek on December 24, 2010, 4:35 GMT

    Harsha, very nice article. I was wondering how cicket pandit like you will miss the opportunity to throw a light on Dravids achievement. I liked the wordings "If Tendulkar is the child splashing colour about with glee, Dravid is the scientist in a relentless search for progress." It always happens with Dravid... it happened in Kolakatta test, laxman took away spot light. In 1999 against Kenya, Tendulkar took away the spotlight and there are many more such instances. I congratulate both Sachin and Rahul on reaching their stupendous Milestones. An even it is not fair to blame anyone because this time Sachin took away the spotlight. Sachin is show-stopper.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:34 GMT

    Ironical that the heading is about India not recognising Dravid's achievement and that there is no hyperlink for him, especially when there is a hyperlink for another player!

    So where do we see Dravid's records?

  • Percy_Fender on December 24, 2010, 4:29 GMT

    I am glad Harsha Bhogle has brought up how low key the celebration of this achievement by one of the great batsmen of all time was.Just for the many statistics minded people and for the ones who often these days talk about bowling in terms of kilometers per hour,batting 'in the zone',pitching 'in the right areas' and 'hitting the ground running',I would like to point out that Ricky Ponting and Rahul Dravid are moving neck to neck indeed as far as their statistics are concerned.Though Rahul is a couple of hundreds behind Ricky he has played the lesser numberof Tests as well.But then he has essentially been low key all his career with the media more concerned about when he doe'nt score and who his likely replacement is.I wish we all remember that it is after a long long time that India occupies a high position in the game.For this we heartily acknowledge that Sachin has played a great part.Let us not forget a man who has played as much a part as his 95 in India's Perth win.

  • JustOUT on December 24, 2010, 4:24 GMT

    Like the last sentence "India produced the landmarks, brilliant as they are; South Africa produced the result." I think it should be INDIVIDUAL LANDMARKS

  • Rydham on December 24, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    Sachin got praise becuase he was in form and helping India to win the matches since a long time but this is not the case with Dravid now. Dravid was never a great player. If so, then Hyden is already a great as he has scored almost equal 100+ and helpd AUS to win the matches. Greatness is a constant journey in which you also have to be constant but if you are struggling to score even a single run since last two years then I think you should make a way for others !! A bitter truth for Dravid. Either he should score as per his stature or he should quit.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    The pity sights or Sreesanth staring at Graeme Smith revealed the pathetic thought processes of the Indian bowlers. very much the other side of a Paul Harris' abusing techniques to intimidate a Dravid or Laxman!

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    Thank you Harsha for bringing Dravid's achievement to SPOT LIGHT. I was thinking about it. I do agree, what sachin achieved is great but Dravid's feat is no less to it. Again, i have to agree with you, both the champions will not be happy after loosing the opener however, Sachin got his due but Dravid's is due as usual...Many matches we talk about Sachin, Ganguly, Laxman, Viru but in more than 75% of those matches, they would have got a strong support by Dravid, THE WALL. Very well written article. I wish, Sachin should have mentioned in his first interview but he didn't...disappointingly let his buddy down.

  • rocket123 on December 24, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    It has been a recurring theme for past 3 years since Dravid gave up captaincy and lost its midas touch, media and critics have not been giving the legend what is due to him. However, it is always a fact that class is permanent and form is mercurial. India had the best chance if "Wall" had not gotten out to 2 very good deliveries in both innings when he looked like a "Solid Rock". Had it been 3 or 4 yrs ago, Dravid would have saved this match on his own for India. Yet his class, determination and techniques was at its best for the time he stayed at the wicket and delayed the writing on the wall. He reminded us once again what is No.3 supoosed to do in such conditions though he could not complete the job per his own lofty standards. Ignored for the World Cup, a great injustice to the legend. Please we all should need to give him more recognition to him during his twilight zone. Thankyou and I hope that he scores a double in the next test match.

  • KAIRAVA on December 24, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    Just to other to the list, some of the other pathetic decisions which BCCI and team India management has taken i the recent past include: 1. No warm-up matches before this very important series between the No. 1 and No.2 sides in the world. This has to be ranked as the one of the worst decision ever taken by BCCI. 2. Continuously ignoring the more experienced Irfan Pathan in away test match series. In fact, if we consider bowling stats since 2000, Irfan has been the best Indian pace bowler outside India picking 73 wickets in 15 matches and averaging 25.5 per wicket. Zaheer averages 30.9, Sreesanth averages 32.6 and Ishant averages 44 per wicket !!!). 3. Sticking with Raina inspite of him failing for the 4 consecutive test. (3 against NZ at home and 1 in SA). The future stars, Pujara and Rahane should be immediately drafted into the test side and atleast one of them should be playing in the final XI as they would gain immensely playing alongside legends like Dravid, Sachin and Laxman).

  • niraj13 on December 24, 2010, 3:50 GMT

    Good article by Harsha Bhogle! Sachin is undoubtedly the best cricketer in modern cricket and may be the best ever, but Dravid is definitely one of the all time greats too. Sachin's 50th ton deserved all the attention and celebration that it received, but Dravid's milestone needed at least some acknowledgement. I did not even know about it until I read this article. After all, we have only the 3rd batsman in the history of cricket to achieve this milestone and I don't think there will be very many to achieve this mark in the future. It's a shame that we are hearing/noticing this remarkable achievement 5 days after it happened.

  • kameshvk on December 24, 2010, 3:44 GMT

    Your writeup is excellent.Thanks for enlightning us the importance of Rahul's achievement. Most of us have been concentrating totally on the 50th ton. As you have highlighted, role of BCCI is to arrange a platform for the players to perform to their best ability. And truly our bowlers look unfortunately more incapable than just to be taken as an off-color performance more so in Zaheer's absence and aliegn conditions.

  • Dilbar786 on December 24, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    oh please, cant wait to see what u hav to say after they loose the series

  • on December 24, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    Today itself I understood clearly why Harsha is that much special...I salute you.

  • on December 24, 2010, 3:34 GMT

    Well said Harsha!! I was disappointed as well to not see a single newspaper or news channel highlighting Dravid's colossal achievement..

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  • on December 24, 2010, 3:34 GMT

    Well said Harsha!! I was disappointed as well to not see a single newspaper or news channel highlighting Dravid's colossal achievement..

  • on December 24, 2010, 3:35 GMT

    Today itself I understood clearly why Harsha is that much special...I salute you.

  • Dilbar786 on December 24, 2010, 3:41 GMT

    oh please, cant wait to see what u hav to say after they loose the series

  • kameshvk on December 24, 2010, 3:44 GMT

    Your writeup is excellent.Thanks for enlightning us the importance of Rahul's achievement. Most of us have been concentrating totally on the 50th ton. As you have highlighted, role of BCCI is to arrange a platform for the players to perform to their best ability. And truly our bowlers look unfortunately more incapable than just to be taken as an off-color performance more so in Zaheer's absence and aliegn conditions.

  • niraj13 on December 24, 2010, 3:50 GMT

    Good article by Harsha Bhogle! Sachin is undoubtedly the best cricketer in modern cricket and may be the best ever, but Dravid is definitely one of the all time greats too. Sachin's 50th ton deserved all the attention and celebration that it received, but Dravid's milestone needed at least some acknowledgement. I did not even know about it until I read this article. After all, we have only the 3rd batsman in the history of cricket to achieve this milestone and I don't think there will be very many to achieve this mark in the future. It's a shame that we are hearing/noticing this remarkable achievement 5 days after it happened.

  • KAIRAVA on December 24, 2010, 3:56 GMT

    Just to other to the list, some of the other pathetic decisions which BCCI and team India management has taken i the recent past include: 1. No warm-up matches before this very important series between the No. 1 and No.2 sides in the world. This has to be ranked as the one of the worst decision ever taken by BCCI. 2. Continuously ignoring the more experienced Irfan Pathan in away test match series. In fact, if we consider bowling stats since 2000, Irfan has been the best Indian pace bowler outside India picking 73 wickets in 15 matches and averaging 25.5 per wicket. Zaheer averages 30.9, Sreesanth averages 32.6 and Ishant averages 44 per wicket !!!). 3. Sticking with Raina inspite of him failing for the 4 consecutive test. (3 against NZ at home and 1 in SA). The future stars, Pujara and Rahane should be immediately drafted into the test side and atleast one of them should be playing in the final XI as they would gain immensely playing alongside legends like Dravid, Sachin and Laxman).

  • rocket123 on December 24, 2010, 3:59 GMT

    It has been a recurring theme for past 3 years since Dravid gave up captaincy and lost its midas touch, media and critics have not been giving the legend what is due to him. However, it is always a fact that class is permanent and form is mercurial. India had the best chance if "Wall" had not gotten out to 2 very good deliveries in both innings when he looked like a "Solid Rock". Had it been 3 or 4 yrs ago, Dravid would have saved this match on his own for India. Yet his class, determination and techniques was at its best for the time he stayed at the wicket and delayed the writing on the wall. He reminded us once again what is No.3 supoosed to do in such conditions though he could not complete the job per his own lofty standards. Ignored for the World Cup, a great injustice to the legend. Please we all should need to give him more recognition to him during his twilight zone. Thankyou and I hope that he scores a double in the next test match.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:16 GMT

    Thank you Harsha for bringing Dravid's achievement to SPOT LIGHT. I was thinking about it. I do agree, what sachin achieved is great but Dravid's feat is no less to it. Again, i have to agree with you, both the champions will not be happy after loosing the opener however, Sachin got his due but Dravid's is due as usual...Many matches we talk about Sachin, Ganguly, Laxman, Viru but in more than 75% of those matches, they would have got a strong support by Dravid, THE WALL. Very well written article. I wish, Sachin should have mentioned in his first interview but he didn't...disappointingly let his buddy down.

  • on December 24, 2010, 4:18 GMT

    The pity sights or Sreesanth staring at Graeme Smith revealed the pathetic thought processes of the Indian bowlers. very much the other side of a Paul Harris' abusing techniques to intimidate a Dravid or Laxman!

  • Rydham on December 24, 2010, 4:21 GMT

    Sachin got praise becuase he was in form and helping India to win the matches since a long time but this is not the case with Dravid now. Dravid was never a great player. If so, then Hyden is already a great as he has scored almost equal 100+ and helpd AUS to win the matches. Greatness is a constant journey in which you also have to be constant but if you are struggling to score even a single run since last two years then I think you should make a way for others !! A bitter truth for Dravid. Either he should score as per his stature or he should quit.