Australia news June 2, 2013

India was lowest point of my career - Watson

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Shane Watson is eager to move forward from the debacles Australia faced in India, with back-to-back Ashes series due to begin later this summer. During the series, which ended in a 0-4 series defeat, the team management axed four players, including Watson, who was vice-captain at the time, after the second Test for failing to complete a task set by coach Mickey Arthur.

"Whatever happened throughout India, certainly for me personally, was the lowest point in my cricket career, there's no doubt about that." he said. "The decisions that were made were made for a reason and we certainly have to move forward as a team because we've got two series back-to-back of the biggest cricket we'll ever play."

Australia are chasing the urn after England steamrolled Australia in their own backyard with a 3-1 scoreline, all three wins coming without England needing to bat a second time. They now face England in England.

"We've got a lot of big cricket coming up so we've got to put all the things that happened to us in India behind us." he said. "We've got to find ways to get the best out of ourselves as individuals and as a team. If we don't, then it could be a long 10 months but if we're able to bring it together then we could have a lot of fun."

Watson was clear in stating the controversial episode ahead of Australia's last chance to save the series in India could have been avoided.

"If I had handed in my homework then I would have avoided it, that's probably as simple as it was. I look back and I certainly would have done that and I wouldn't have been in the situation that I was." he said. "There were certainly periods of time that things had been building up unbeknown to me, things that were really affecting certain people in the group but we've had to move because we've got so much big cricket coming up and it's a dream to be part of back-to-back Ashes series.

"Whatever's happened is certainly in the past. For me to be a part of hopefully this next little while of cricket continues to fuel my dream and also continue to realise the privilege I do have to play cricket for my country."

Watson also ruled out any interest in captaining Australia in the Ashes. "At this point in time, absolutely not." he said "I stepped down as vice-captain for a number of different reasons but at this point in time, it was certainly the best thing for the team. I'm just here to get the best out of myself and help as much as I always do anyway."

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  • it_happened_last_in_2001. on June 3, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    I can't help but think that Watson plays the same innings whatever the format he is playing in. In the 1 day win he smoked 135 off 98 balls. His average number of balls faced in test innings is 70, scoring at 3 an over he makes 35 then gets out (on average). I never notice a marked change in style with him in white or coloured clothing. There are just more dot balls in test matches. He needs to learn to apply himself if he wants to play test cricket, as do a Warner & Hughes to name a couple more. Trott came in for a terrible pasting in the media for 11 not out off 69 balls when batting for a declaration at Leeds, but with Trent Bridge fast approaching what would Australia give for a player who can bat like that ?

  • Wealwayslosethecricket on June 2, 2013, 13:52 GMT

    I think Shane Watson is a fantastic cricketer with a lot of talent, and undoubtedly he hasn't fulfilled his potential in test cricket. However in my opinion, the first of the two upcoming Ashes series is Watson's last chance to save his test career. His ability is unquestionable, but unless he can translate that into results, Australia will be forced to drop him sooner or later. I'm speaking more in terms of batting- His bowling has always been reasonably strong in test cricket, although not to the extent that he could be picked on that alone. The most important thing for Watson is RUNS, and lots of them. Watto is one of my favourite cricketers, and I really hope his talent finally pays off in test cricket this english Summer.

  • Mitty2 on June 2, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    Just in the other thread, spent some time bagging Shane for all the generic reasons and more, and as to why he should be as far away from the test team as possible. It's common knowledge now that he is severely lacking as a test batsman, where his repeat three cross-bat hoiks on those tracks almost epitomizing his standpoint in reference to not only his inability to read a length and adapt to an innings requirement, but his lack of mental aptitude in tests and his standpoint in being a limited overs specialist. He, simply is not test class. And for those who operate on the positives, who say he should be opening. The only reason he did well in 09-11 was because it was the only prolonged period of not being injured and form. Not because of his position. He averages 11 as opener in the shield and 80 in the county without ever being opener... Clearly it's not simply 'move him to opener he'll do well!' With his form, he's first picked for ODI's and should be last picked for tests.

  • LillianThomson on June 2, 2013, 8:51 GMT

    Elvin Zammit, You asked me why I'd open with Watson and push Warner down to number six.

    The answer is simple: the Duke ball. Warner's technique is going to be horribly exposed by Anderson, Broad and Finn, and whereas the Kookaburra loses its movement around the 20th over, the Duke keeps moving until around the 50th.

    It's also why I'm pretty nervous about Hughes batting up the order, but he really has to because the lower he bats down the order, the more Swann is going to make his life a misery.

    Where's Rogers? Nowhere. He has never been a Test class batsman, and even the likes of Phil Jaques and Shane Watson were preferred as openers to him even before he was geriatric.

  • TeamRocker on June 7, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Watson is a player of immense talent. However, attitude problems have resulted in him consistently irritating Australia and the other cricketing world by refusing to prove that he has the talent to become the greatest modern-day all rounder. His bowling is still proving quite dangerous, and that usually leads to him finding his batting form. A careful analysis of this Australia side proves that their batting has the capability to post big scores, given they perform this well: Rogers (Avg: 40), Watson (Avg: 40), Hughes (Avg: 35), Clarke (Avg: 45), Khawaja (Avg: 40), Cowan (Avg: 35), Haddin (Avg: 35), Faulkner (Avg: 25), Starc (Avg: 25), Pattinson (Avg: 20), Siddle (Avg 20)

    Average score: 350. I believe that Rogers, Watson and Khawaja will play better than I have predicted as they can both see it's their last chance to really prove themselves. And that brings out the best in players.

  • PrasPunter on June 6, 2013, 7:10 GMT

    @maddy20, since you spoke about other games, can we count the no. of Gold medals your nation won in Olympics 2012 ? At-least we won 7 Golds and ended up as one among the top 10 nations. What about yours ? Oh ya, I figured out !! 0 Golds !! A spectacular result for a nation of whatever bn, isn't it ? And why ? I figured it out again !! Unlike cricket where BCCI can bully the weak ones to get favorable results, Olympics is a bigger arena , where your intimidatory tactics would hardly cut ice !! You are hardly a force to be counted there !!

    We never needed to cook our wickets to beat your team to pulp unlike what you did , which the whole world knows !!

    And our test record is way way better than yours !! On any day, we are a better sporting nation than yours !!! It ends there.

  • balajichan on June 5, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    i am sure that australia will not win even a single game unless senior batsmen like warner,watson and clarke perform well.its going to be interesting to see the opening combination of the team,whether watson and warner or warner and wade or watson and wade etc.,.then lets come to the ashes.100% australia will be whitewashed by england.there is no chance of winning because they were beaten by england in australia, and why they cant be beaten in england?and also the time between these 2 series are only 1 year.and also,they do not have the experience of hussey and ponting this year.this ashes will be the most boring ashes of all time

  • ScottStevo on June 5, 2013, 12:27 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien, Yep, well played. Every dog has their day and you've just had yours, mate. As I said, 5-55, your top order got rattled. Fair enough, MS is a good player, but he won't win you a match every single game and DK is barely even selected! As for your pace bowling - he did well today, but he won't get that lucky where he gets three edges onto the stumps and a dodgy caught behind out of his 5 wickets...also, I couldn't care less what your population is. you missed the point, mate. 1.2b or 2b is a long old way more than our population. @maddy20, Actually, your knowledge is terribly poor as since we were beaten by Eng at home we have beaten SL, drawn in SA (something Ind won't/can't do), obliterated India 4-0, beaten WI away and pressed SA harder than either Eng or Ind have until we crashed in the final test to lose the series. As for ICC trophies - come and talk to me when you get close to how many we've won. We still hold this CT trophy. Plus 3 WCs in a row....

  • AKS286 on June 5, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    Ashes'13 belongs to England no doubt. Australia is not capable to even draw a test match. I'm waiting for Aus tour to Bang. I think everything will be fine for Aus after Ashes whitewash because CA will take strong decisions. Well done India in practice matches. But i think India need practice match against good teams not like Aus.

  • on June 5, 2013, 2:32 GMT

    England-5-0-Australia I can see the writing on the wall That said, Ashes series is immensely interesting to watch. Sad to see the decline of the once cricket powerhouse Australia.

  • it_happened_last_in_2001. on June 3, 2013, 9:12 GMT

    I can't help but think that Watson plays the same innings whatever the format he is playing in. In the 1 day win he smoked 135 off 98 balls. His average number of balls faced in test innings is 70, scoring at 3 an over he makes 35 then gets out (on average). I never notice a marked change in style with him in white or coloured clothing. There are just more dot balls in test matches. He needs to learn to apply himself if he wants to play test cricket, as do a Warner & Hughes to name a couple more. Trott came in for a terrible pasting in the media for 11 not out off 69 balls when batting for a declaration at Leeds, but with Trent Bridge fast approaching what would Australia give for a player who can bat like that ?

  • Wealwayslosethecricket on June 2, 2013, 13:52 GMT

    I think Shane Watson is a fantastic cricketer with a lot of talent, and undoubtedly he hasn't fulfilled his potential in test cricket. However in my opinion, the first of the two upcoming Ashes series is Watson's last chance to save his test career. His ability is unquestionable, but unless he can translate that into results, Australia will be forced to drop him sooner or later. I'm speaking more in terms of batting- His bowling has always been reasonably strong in test cricket, although not to the extent that he could be picked on that alone. The most important thing for Watson is RUNS, and lots of them. Watto is one of my favourite cricketers, and I really hope his talent finally pays off in test cricket this english Summer.

  • Mitty2 on June 2, 2013, 9:21 GMT

    Just in the other thread, spent some time bagging Shane for all the generic reasons and more, and as to why he should be as far away from the test team as possible. It's common knowledge now that he is severely lacking as a test batsman, where his repeat three cross-bat hoiks on those tracks almost epitomizing his standpoint in reference to not only his inability to read a length and adapt to an innings requirement, but his lack of mental aptitude in tests and his standpoint in being a limited overs specialist. He, simply is not test class. And for those who operate on the positives, who say he should be opening. The only reason he did well in 09-11 was because it was the only prolonged period of not being injured and form. Not because of his position. He averages 11 as opener in the shield and 80 in the county without ever being opener... Clearly it's not simply 'move him to opener he'll do well!' With his form, he's first picked for ODI's and should be last picked for tests.

  • LillianThomson on June 2, 2013, 8:51 GMT

    Elvin Zammit, You asked me why I'd open with Watson and push Warner down to number six.

    The answer is simple: the Duke ball. Warner's technique is going to be horribly exposed by Anderson, Broad and Finn, and whereas the Kookaburra loses its movement around the 20th over, the Duke keeps moving until around the 50th.

    It's also why I'm pretty nervous about Hughes batting up the order, but he really has to because the lower he bats down the order, the more Swann is going to make his life a misery.

    Where's Rogers? Nowhere. He has never been a Test class batsman, and even the likes of Phil Jaques and Shane Watson were preferred as openers to him even before he was geriatric.

  • TeamRocker on June 7, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    Watson is a player of immense talent. However, attitude problems have resulted in him consistently irritating Australia and the other cricketing world by refusing to prove that he has the talent to become the greatest modern-day all rounder. His bowling is still proving quite dangerous, and that usually leads to him finding his batting form. A careful analysis of this Australia side proves that their batting has the capability to post big scores, given they perform this well: Rogers (Avg: 40), Watson (Avg: 40), Hughes (Avg: 35), Clarke (Avg: 45), Khawaja (Avg: 40), Cowan (Avg: 35), Haddin (Avg: 35), Faulkner (Avg: 25), Starc (Avg: 25), Pattinson (Avg: 20), Siddle (Avg 20)

    Average score: 350. I believe that Rogers, Watson and Khawaja will play better than I have predicted as they can both see it's their last chance to really prove themselves. And that brings out the best in players.

  • PrasPunter on June 6, 2013, 7:10 GMT

    @maddy20, since you spoke about other games, can we count the no. of Gold medals your nation won in Olympics 2012 ? At-least we won 7 Golds and ended up as one among the top 10 nations. What about yours ? Oh ya, I figured out !! 0 Golds !! A spectacular result for a nation of whatever bn, isn't it ? And why ? I figured it out again !! Unlike cricket where BCCI can bully the weak ones to get favorable results, Olympics is a bigger arena , where your intimidatory tactics would hardly cut ice !! You are hardly a force to be counted there !!

    We never needed to cook our wickets to beat your team to pulp unlike what you did , which the whole world knows !!

    And our test record is way way better than yours !! On any day, we are a better sporting nation than yours !!! It ends there.

  • balajichan on June 5, 2013, 15:06 GMT

    i am sure that australia will not win even a single game unless senior batsmen like warner,watson and clarke perform well.its going to be interesting to see the opening combination of the team,whether watson and warner or warner and wade or watson and wade etc.,.then lets come to the ashes.100% australia will be whitewashed by england.there is no chance of winning because they were beaten by england in australia, and why they cant be beaten in england?and also the time between these 2 series are only 1 year.and also,they do not have the experience of hussey and ponting this year.this ashes will be the most boring ashes of all time

  • ScottStevo on June 5, 2013, 12:27 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien, Yep, well played. Every dog has their day and you've just had yours, mate. As I said, 5-55, your top order got rattled. Fair enough, MS is a good player, but he won't win you a match every single game and DK is barely even selected! As for your pace bowling - he did well today, but he won't get that lucky where he gets three edges onto the stumps and a dodgy caught behind out of his 5 wickets...also, I couldn't care less what your population is. you missed the point, mate. 1.2b or 2b is a long old way more than our population. @maddy20, Actually, your knowledge is terribly poor as since we were beaten by Eng at home we have beaten SL, drawn in SA (something Ind won't/can't do), obliterated India 4-0, beaten WI away and pressed SA harder than either Eng or Ind have until we crashed in the final test to lose the series. As for ICC trophies - come and talk to me when you get close to how many we've won. We still hold this CT trophy. Plus 3 WCs in a row....

  • AKS286 on June 5, 2013, 5:44 GMT

    Ashes'13 belongs to England no doubt. Australia is not capable to even draw a test match. I'm waiting for Aus tour to Bang. I think everything will be fine for Aus after Ashes whitewash because CA will take strong decisions. Well done India in practice matches. But i think India need practice match against good teams not like Aus.

  • on June 5, 2013, 2:32 GMT

    England-5-0-Australia I can see the writing on the wall That said, Ashes series is immensely interesting to watch. Sad to see the decline of the once cricket powerhouse Australia.

  • on June 5, 2013, 2:08 GMT

    Oh I missed some action. @Un_Citoyen_Indien - Where are these Kangaroos mate? Looks like they couldn't take bashing here and on the field. :D All packed out for just 65 - What disgrace man!! Poor Oz :P

  • maddy20 on June 4, 2013, 20:11 GMT

    @ ScottStevo Your general knowledge is as poor as your cricket knowledge is. Yes we did lose 8 tests on the road but we also managed to win 2 ICC trophies in the last 5-6 years, gave SA a run for their money in their own backyard, smoked the Aussies over 4-0. Last I checked Aus got rumbled by NZ, spanked by Eng, SA at home and shredded by India in India. If we are exceptionally poor, then you are spectacularly worse! You got a taste of things to come today. Couple of days ago I though Aus, NZ would make the semis, but I stand corrected. Aus will join SL on their way back home! As for your GK my friend, we are a nation 1.2bn not 2bn. As for other sports/games I suggest you read about Mary Kom, Vijender Singh, Vishwanathan Anand etc., We even have our own F1 team you know!

  • on June 4, 2013, 17:13 GMT

    if anybody will ask me about the result of coming ashes series : I'd simply say england bagging the series 5-0 ! Sorry to say !

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 17:01 GMT

    Umesh Yadav bowling genuinely FAST was waay more impressive than any of the Oz seamers on display. Australia, crushed by 245 runs with more than half their overs remaining. This just following a 0-4 test whitewash. Need one say more?

    What further proof can one need that Australian cricket's heyday is truly, well behind it?

  • AKS286 on June 4, 2013, 15:30 GMT

    Clarke only motivates his own boys like lyon, Waste, Starc, Cowan, Hughes, Warner Rest specially Seniors are treated disrespectful.Katich was axed, Mr. Cricket retires due to psychological fear, Legendary Ponting's planning was to retire after Ashes'13 but forcefully retired, MJ, Watto , Haddin, Marsh always in and mostly out in the team. In IPL except of D.Hussey all Australian perform superb reason good captaincy. After the retirement of PUNTER just check his runs in Shield & for Surrey, Mr. Cricket performance in IPL. How good Finch is ? Really impresses; he captaining the side and score runs for a most weak team PWI.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    Wow. And this Australian side's expected to be competitive this tournament? I'd be mighty surprised if they manage to compete even in the back to back Ashes which their fans value sooooo much more that "hit and giggle" 50 over cricket. It's sad to note this attitude among Aussie fans especially considering that their nation accomplished FOUR 50 over World Cup victories. But some fans make it seem as if none of that is more important than (yawn) yet another bilateral Ashes series....

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    @ ScottStevo: And as I write this, Wade has just been bowled by the express Umesh Yadav. Now there's world class pace bowling for you.

    And what was that about a population of 2 billion? *Smiles* Even the world's most populous nation (China) doesn't have a couple of bil citizens. Doesn't make you sound very knowledgeable when you make inaccurate statements like that.

    Also, there's a fair reason why India seem to punch below their weight given their abundant resources. The nation aspires to be a 21st century super-power and quite simply spends relatively little on cricket. If India had Australian cricketing infrastructure, they'd be downright dominant.

    Guess India's got bigger things to worry about than bats and balls......

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 13:59 GMT

    @ ScottStevo: Oh is that right? Well here's a reality check for you mate. Dinesh Karthik 146 n.o. from 141 balls. M.S. Dhoni 91 off 79 balls. Your "world class" bowling attack comprising of Marsh, Faulkner, Johnson and Starc? Smashed to every corner of the stadium in Cardiff. And this is happening live.

    The way I see it, Aus will be lucky to even get into the knockout phase of this tournament.

  • ScottStevo on June 4, 2013, 13:03 GMT

    @Mitty2, possibly I'm as harsh on Faulkner as you are on Watson! Faulkner - I've not seen enough of his FC stuff, true, but what I have seen hasn't overly impressed me. I'm not a big fan of a bowler when his greatest attribute is variation. If you haven't got a stock ball that's damaging, then you shouldn't be playing test match cricket...Watson - since his last injury he was moved down the order and hasn't been the same batsman he was prior to that. Some players just bat better in different positions, which is why I disagreed when people were calling for Clarke to move when he was in the form of his life. For me, Watson has proved in tests that he can't bat in the middle order. He was going about proving that he can open the innings though - especially in Eng in 09, so he can play the moving ball. He needs to learn to convert his starts, but if we have an opener who averages 40+ in this ashes, I'd take that - wouldn't you?

  • ScottStevo on June 4, 2013, 12:47 GMT

    @gsingh7, haha!! The latest facts! Since we lost to England at home we've beat SL, WI - and we India 4-0. So it's 4-4 home and away - that's the recent facts, mate. India will never be a powerhouse, or retain the number one spot for longer than 12 months because they can't win series on the road. Until they learn to play on fast, bouncy tracks, they'll continue to rumbled in SA, Eng and Aus - possibly NZ too...AS for ODI's and this CT, I'm much more wary of Pak as they've got a genuinely good fast/swing bowling attack and can play short stuff too. I'm genuinely convinced that a good pace bowling attack in England will destroy the indian top order and they'll struggle to win any matches. At least we have a history of dominating cricket - with 2b people to choose from,almost all the cash in the game and it being the only sport to choose from, it's almost unbelievable that India are as ridiculously poor as they are. You may have had champion players, but never a champion team - ever...

  • gsingh7 on June 4, 2013, 12:05 GMT

    @biggus--- history is all aus can hold on to these days are their present team is mediocre at best. defeated by england and sa at home and whitewashed 4-0 in india are the latest facts, not some history lesson. wins in 1970 or 1925 donot win u matches in 2013. india is current powerhouse, that u rightly admitted.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 12:04 GMT

    @AKS286: You've raised a very valid point there friend. Watson was MVP under Rahul Dravid and we all know what a fine motivator he is. On the other hand, it seems that Clarke is just not able to manage and inspire Watson which he ought to be able to as a leader.

    Clarke needs to do more to help Watto regain his mojo.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 11:54 GMT

    @ Biggus: Yeah well, a lot of that's going to change, just you wait and watch. Thrashing Australia 0-4 was just the beginning of a lot of Indian victories to come.

    And just because you know about Miller doesn't mean that every Oz fan must also know about a bloke who played in......... what the forties? You didn't even let the chap I made the comment at reply whether he's actually heard of Miller or not.

    In fact I bet most of the younger Aussie fans don't know all that much about your older players like Harvey, Woodful, Ponsford or McCabe.

    India, the new powerhouse in world cricket? You got that one right.

  • AKS286 on June 4, 2013, 6:35 GMT

    Watson is really match winner no doubt. and Some fans mentioned he is the MVP in IPL he deserved it BUT that was under Dravid's captaincy under Clarke's captaincy Watson, MJ, Haddin looks like most demotivated player MDP. I told earlier the pitches in CT are different don't expect its a fast bowling paradise.

  • AKS286 on June 4, 2013, 6:30 GMT

    Watto you are great Player but the fact is Clarke axed you from V.Cap. The Ashes'13. Haddin has got fare-well gift as a V.cap. After Ashes haddin will retire or axed by Clarke. My fav teams for CT- Ind, SA, ENG, NZ, Aus, PAK, SL WI. i told before look at the KIWIS (before they beat Poms) this time definitely this time very balanced team.

  • Biggus on June 4, 2013, 6:14 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien-Amusing that 'Un_Citoyen_Indien' imagines that we Australians wouldn't know about Keith Miller. Take a deep breath mate and have a think. Of course we do, he's one of our more enduring heroes, and Neville Cardus described him as "the Australian in excelsis", so it's hardly likely that you'd know more about him than us. Regarding Chandra, Venkat, Bedi and Prasanna, fine bowlers certainly, but as Meety has rightly pointed out we won series Vs them, most notably 69/70 in India, won 3-1, and in Australia in 77/78, when during the first year of Packer cricket what amounted to an Australian 3rd XI beat India 3-2. Perhaps it's best not to try and re-write history on a forum that's there for the whole world to see. India may be the modern powerhouse of the game but you should remember that we've been at this lark a lot longer than your lot and have a far more illustrious record by any measure.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 4, 2013, 5:34 GMT

    @ Kensohatter: Fair points regarding Watson's record VS Kallis's. But Kallis took nearly 20 years to build that record. Give Watto some time. Secondly, have realistic expectations with regards to Watto. He's not in the Kallis mould (i.e. a top order batting all-rounder). Rather, he's like a Keith Miller (read about him if you don't know enough about him already, he was from Bradman's era) or an Imran Khan. Have him work on his bowling and bat him no higher than 6.

    He'll deliver gold in no time. By the way, I am supporting you guys this Ashes. We have much to settle with the Pommies as well. Touring there next year, I believe. Go Aussie go :)

  • Shan156 on June 4, 2013, 5:33 GMT

    @Rajat Rathi, @Un_Citoyen_Indien, whoa, whoa, India plays pace and swing better than Aus. plays spin? What are you on about? India have won a grand total of 0 series in Aus. and SA. In fact, India have only ever won 2 tests in SA, Aus. have won more than that in a single series. Aus. have a better record in Eng, WI, and NZ than do India. Aus. have won test series in India, Pak. and SL. India's last (and only) test series win in SL came sometime in the mid 1990s. Aus. have won their last 2 test series in that country. Add to this 4 WCs and CT win, and Aus. record is way, way superior to India. Although I am a Eng. fan and enjoyed Australia's mauling at the hands of India couple of months back, I have to grudgingly admit that Aus. overall record is superior to both India and England.

  • PrasPunter on June 4, 2013, 5:09 GMT

    @Meety, mate , just to add to what you said, Aus record even in SL is much better than india's - Since '99 when we lost a test series there , we have won both the test series we played over there with score-lines of 3-0 in 2003 and 1-0 in 2011. Contrast this with india's - they are yet to win a test series over there since 1993. Lost a few and managed only to draw a couple of them, inspite of the fact that they play SL almost at the drop of a hat.

  • Mitty2 on June 4, 2013, 3:49 GMT

    @scottstevo, I didnt have enough room to expand. The only reason he prospered in that period was due to continuity without injury (can we really trust him with what is meant to be a settle position in that of the opener's slot when he gets injured every second test?) and the only test form he's ever had in his career. Granted your point on the FC thing but the analogy of Faulkner is unfair in two ways(I'm assuming you don't watch much of the shield, or the shield final for that matter, where the pitch was as sluggish and flat as one could possibly produce)

    1. Ever since THAT Hobart test the pitches have been, for the most part, flat and easier to bat on (in comparison to the other shield pitches). Just look at this years shield... The highest scores were happening in Hobart and if they weren't it was due to tasmania's brilliant bowling line up

    2. Faulkner (if you've ever seen him in a FC game, which again I doubt) is aggressive, economical is a smart bowler and he swings it both ways

  • Meety on June 4, 2013, 2:39 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien on (June 3, 2013, 8:56 GMT) - your "conclusion" fails to factor in Oz have been dominant in spin friendly SL (better record than India there) & that Ind have never won a series in Sth Africa. Also factor in Oz's overall record (any era) is better in SA, Eng, NZ than India - there is no disputing that India are way WORSE at playing seam than Oz at spin. I second Praspunter's comment about pitches - we don't need selective watering to boost our rankings buddy! Also "...(I don't even WANT to remind the Aussies about Chandra, Pras, Bish and Venkat who they never could figure out...) - mate we won series against those greats!

  • kensohatter on June 4, 2013, 0:38 GMT

    @citoyen... cant believe im having to disagree with you on two threads but you i cant let your comments slide without pointing out the obvious. You listed Watsons greatest achievements as a MVP in the IPL and a blazing innings in a warm up game!?! We are talking about his suitablity for test match cricket here. No doubt he is talented but in Australia we base selections on results not what you might produce one day. He has had more than enough chances to reach is produce and add to that he continues to act like a child. The fact you even compared Watson to the great Jacques Kallis made me dry heave. There is a difference of 10,000 runs and 200 wickets between the two! I will agree with one point australia have struggled to find quality all rounders but this should not mean we pick sub standard ones... Given we have had quality glovemen/batsmen i see no problem in picking a specialist batsman or bowler depending on conditions

  • kensohatter on June 3, 2013, 23:29 GMT

    @sidharta... I think the point pras punter is making is that Australia have dominated India for a long time. Sure now its more even but even now but aside from Tendualker how many truly GREAT players have you produced. Before you mention Sehwag, Dravid, VVS, Khan and Kumble id put them on the same level as Hayden, S.waugh, M.Waugh, Gillespie and Lee as all good solid player but not greats. Australia DOMINATED for a decade they had 4 players that would make an all time best XI (Ponting, Gilchrist, Warne, Mcgrath) and then 5or 6 players who would make the world XI for that era (players listed above + langer). India have only once posed a problem away from home and thats with one partnership between VVS and Dravid yonks ago

  • handyandy on June 3, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    This ashes tour and the summer series in Australia are Watson's chance for redemption.

    It is about time he stopped telling us what he is going to do and actually roll his sleeves up and start delivering on his promises.

  • PrasPunter on June 3, 2013, 16:14 GMT

    @siddhartha87, if winning 16 tests in a row not just once but twice and winning 4 WCs including 3 in a row not at home like a few teams, but across different continents, time-zones, climates and conditions is not enough to be merited as the world's best, then no team in the world can be the best. Dot. Aus ruled like no other team did !! It's very simple.

  • siddhartha87 on June 3, 2013, 14:16 GMT

    I dont know why Indian and Australian fans are arguing here. Let's face it India is pathetic against pace and Aussies are poor against spin.Great batsmen are not pitch dependent. Look at Chanderpaul.He avereges 60 in both India and England.Players like Kaliis,devilliars,Amla,Cook,KP,Clarke etc are not pitch dependent.In past like of hayden,waugh scored heavily in India while SRT,VVs did well in australia. Both teams lacks quality.period. And you can't claim to be world's best with this limitations.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 3, 2013, 13:41 GMT

    @ Apocalypse_EX: You need to consider how long Aus have been a test nation VS how long Ind have. Most of those Aussie victories were in the early years of Indian cricket, not long after Indian Independence.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 3, 2013, 13:06 GMT

    @ PrasPunter: It took the greatest team ever in the history of test cricket to defeat us at home in the 2004 series. Bear in mind that you're not going to be fortunate enough to have 5 all time greats playing in your side all the time. Another Aussie victory in India is very unlikely in the forseeable future.

    @ Mitty2: And what "really annoying myth about Shane Watson in tests" were you able to locate in my earlier comment?

  • latecut_04 on June 3, 2013, 12:33 GMT

    Here plenty of Aus fans want Watto to open for the fear of Warner getting exposed to the moving new ball against the likes of Anderson,Broad and Co.My clarification request is why play Warner in tests at all(that too in England for Heaven's sake).Dont you have an opening batsman in doemstic circuit with at least a claim to being an international opening batsman.Ed Cowan and that batsman should open with Watson batting at No:6 and bowling as 1st/2nd change.Wrecking havoc at perth against an bowling 'attack' with the new ball held by Vinay Kumar does not make Warner boy any test prospect(forget captaincy which he seems to have 'accepted')Warner cant play spin either.What makes him a test batsman.Just becasue the likes of Sehwag has succeeded using sheer eyesight(that too at prime) there is no point in throwing 'unorthodox' batsmen to test ring.Already Hughes is played on prayer and playing Warner will make the opening pair at the mercy of Lady Luck and its just nonsense

  • sasi_trueindian on June 3, 2013, 12:28 GMT

    I hate to admit it, but Australia's best side is far better than India's..(McGrath, Warne, Ponting and co in their prime were ruthless..whereas Ganguly and co were good fighters).. so the records show like-wise..but I think the sides have changed and they stand close to each other now.. To all those moaning about Watto..I would pick him in the side as a bowler..even if he could bowl only 20 per innings..he is one bowler who can trouble set batsmen..Pattinson and co are good..but this guy is intelligent..and on any day I, as an Indian fan, would fear Watto bowling more than say a Pattinson or Siddle..

  • ScottStevo on June 3, 2013, 12:21 GMT

    @Mitty2, yet with all of Watson's floors against movement and poor judgment of length, he managed to look our best batsman in the '09 Ashes when we threw him to the wolves as opener. Albeit he didn't manage to press on from scoring 50, but at least he consistently got the team off to a healthy start. Which to be fair, hasn't really been our biggest problem. Our problem is being 80-0 and then all of a sudden 90-3 and losing wickets in clusters without building partnerships. To which our whole top order has been guilty of (Clarke the exception). it's no myth that Watson since 09 and opening produced a heck of a lot more runs than he did when we moved him into 4. And personally, I coldn't care less about FC records as they count for exactly nothing in international cricket. If you were to select sides based purely on FC stats, we'd be terrible. take Faulkner for example, he's rubbish and bowls on the best surface in Oz every second game..now he's in our squad we'll see just how avg he is.

  • Apocalypse_EX on June 3, 2013, 11:33 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien Not taking sides here but India have won all of FIVE test matches in Australia, while Australia have managed SEVEN in India. Both are equally poor records but you have got to say that Australia lead marginally.

  • Mitty2 on June 3, 2013, 10:59 GMT

    @oscoli67. Shane Watson only prospers in limited overs cricket because of the flat decks and the ball's lack of movement after five overs. He can't read a length to save himself (see India) and has absolutely no temperament or patience whatsoever... But in ODI's and 20/20's that's all irrelevant and not required and so he can play and dominate in those. Test cricket on the other hand...

    There's two (three if you include Un_Citoyen_Indien's comment) really annoying myths about shane watson in tests: about him being able or having the 'potential' to dominate bowlers and being better as an opener.

    Watson has scored two centuries in 75 innings. There, he's never dominated an attack. Simple. Also, he has a career strike rate that is UNDER 50. Yes, under 50. But I thought he scored quickly, dominated bowlers and could translate his ODI form into test form right?

    Regarding opening: He averages 11 as opener in the shield and has never opened in the county despite averaging 80. Enough said.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 3, 2013, 9:53 GMT

    I can't believe how critical some of the fans here are of Watson. I mean, here's a man who has just blazed a quick-fire ton in a warm-up game, not to mention that he was the MVP in the just concluded edition of the Indian Premier League where he had a lot of quick runs and a lot of key wickets under his belt. So yes, it does sometimes seem to me that Australian fans are a bit ungrateful for a brilliant specimen of talent that they are incredibly fortunate to have in their ranks.

    As for his abilities as a test player, well, AUS fans must realise that Watson is: potentially the most perfect all-rounder seen in recent times. Even more so than Kallis. He certainly is a better fast bowler than Jacques and better than a lot of front line Oz quicks. As far as his batting is concerned, well, Watson should bat at 7 (certainly no higher than 6). Ask yourselves this question: Who was Australia's greatest all-rounder ever? Keith Miller? Did he ever open the batting? Then why expect it of Watson?

  • Wefinishthis on June 3, 2013, 9:39 GMT

    Big_Maxy_Walker - nice looking side you selected there. I'd got the same bowling lineup and probably just swap Doolan for Silk, shuffle the batting lineup and give Wade another go in England before dropping him for Paine. Warner, Rogers, Khawaja, Cosgrove, Clarke, Silk, Wade, O'Keefe, Pattinson, Harris, Bird.

  • PrasPunter on June 3, 2013, 9:35 GMT

    @Un_Citoyen_Indien, Aus won a test series in india in 2004. Can you tell the same about india in Australia ? Get your facts right, for a change. And we never selectively watered our wickets to beat you. Even when the series was on the line in 2003 back home, we produced a nice wicket on which you were able to scored 700+ in sydney. Contrast this with the way your folks keep moaning and whining about the pitches and going to any extent ( that includes cooking the wicket ) to get a favorable result !! Don't ever compare your team with ours !!

  • PrasPunter on June 3, 2013, 9:04 GMT

    Watto, I tell you what the lowest point of your career would be - Assuming you stutter in Ashes I and II and getting dropped from the test team once for all - now that would be your lowest point - not what happened in india. India is long gone, why ponder about it when we have mountains to climb !! Get your mind right and get your focus on Ashes . Help us to regain and then retain the Ashes , nothing like that. That will be achievement and that's what the nation expects out of you. Not these sound-bytes before the start of a series.

  • Un_Citoyen_Indien on June 3, 2013, 8:56 GMT

    @ Rajat Rathi: Well said mate. The Aussie record in India is way worse than India's record in Australia. Conclusion: India play pace, swing and seam much better than Australia play flight, drift and turn.

    Aussie batsmen ALWAYS struggled against Harby and Anil in India (I don't even WANT to remind the Aussies about Chandra, Pras, Bish and Venkat who they never could figure out). Ash, Ojhie and Sir Jadeja are carrying on the fine tradition of Indian tweakers dominating Aussie willow wielders.

    Oh and surely at least some Aussie fans remember the knocks played by the likes of V.V.S., Sach, Dravid, Sourav, Viru, Sunny G., Dilip V. and Vishy, down under? Can't really help it if they don't!

  • Shaggy076 on June 3, 2013, 7:15 GMT

    LillianThompson - i agree with the Watson has to open and Warner at 6. Watson has the ability which he showed in a 2 year period to take us to an Ashes win - other than Clarke there is no batsman in Australia right now with that ability. However, find your call fro Maxwell over Lyon ludicrous. You say Maxwell will get as many wickets as Lyon - perhaps if the Engliah are 1/400 trying to increase the run-rate he might get a wicket. Maxwells runs are not needed because as far as I can see Lyon can quite easily make as many runs as Maxwell - he has something Maxwell doesnt and that is determination. Mitty2 - If you took notice of the IPL, Watson didnt start bowling at the start of the IPL he only started bowling when passed fit to bowl.

  • kensohatter on June 3, 2013, 6:23 GMT

    Watto it irks me so much that you have grown up in the era you have because australia has to like you we dont have many other options. It upsets me that guys like blewett, law, hodge, siddons, cox etc couldnt get a run during the dominant era yet would have walked into the current side batting blindfolded. Stop wasting your time arguing and being a show pony and just score runs and if you can harden up take some wickets as well. I wonder what Steve Waughs response to your childish behaviour would have been?

  • LillianThomson on June 3, 2013, 3:09 GMT

    @derpherp You are getting far too carried away by the apparent success of Hughes and Rogers in county cricket when county cricket is at its weakest point for fifty years, with fewer overseas players and virtually no England internationals participating.

    On the 1989 Ashes tour, when Australia played Lancashire they were confronted by the pairing of Wasim Akram and the world's fastest bowler, Patrick Patterson of Jamaica, who bowled them out for 288, i.e. far more cheaply than in any of the six Tests.

    County cricket isn't like that any more. Rogers and Hughes have filled their boots against attacks which are far weaker than India or Sri Lanka, or even Zimbabwe or Bangladesh.

    Chris Rogers will turn 36 during the Ashes, and has a Test average of 9.50. If he is a better batsman than Watson, why has Watson been selected ahead of him for the best part of the last decade?

    Watson, Maxwell and Johnson are needed with the bat, and Maxwell would get as many wickets as Lyon.

  • Mitty2 on June 3, 2013, 1:26 GMT

    Looks like cricinfo didn't post my other comment where I actually complimented Watson for relinquishing the vice captaincy position and for once in an interview... Talking about the team and NOT himself (he still does talk predominately about himself, but atleast for once he mentions the team), but oh well.

    @hhilbumper, for once I agree with you. For him to bowl for the IPL and not for his country is just the perfect reflection of Shane Watson isn't it? I severely doubt that it was a matter of two weeks from not being able to bowl one over for his country to being able to bowl fine for the IPL

    Regardless, for all his obvious flaws I am just going to have to exept that my ideal line up of: 1 Warner 2 Cowan 3 Rogers 4 Hughes 5 Clarke 6 khawaja 7 haddin 8 siddle 9 pattinson 10 Lyon 11 bird (have to have a stable opening partnership above all else, CANNOT change that part of the batting...) will never be selected and Watson and starc will play... Probably should start supporting them.

  • Meety on June 3, 2013, 0:39 GMT

    Watto, Watto, Watto - just let your achievements do the talking. You haven't done anything at Test level in ages, concentrate on this Champ Trophy - then the pre-Ashes tour. After being a dominant player with bat & ballin the Ashes then say something like "...certainly for me personally, India was the lowest point in my cricket career, but it gave me extra motivation to put my head down & grind out centuries like the two Ashes winning tons I have just made!" - wishful thinking!

  • MinusZero on June 2, 2013, 23:35 GMT

    I have felt for a long time that Watson is not suited to test cricket. Tests require patience, Watson lacks it. Thats why he is good at ODI and T20. If he fails in the Ashes he should be dropped. He should retire from tests in my opinion. The selectors insist on trying to make players what they are not. You cant grab a ODI player and make him a good test player.

  • Wefinishthis on June 2, 2013, 22:48 GMT

    Maybe if Steve O'Keefe had gone over as the no.1 spinner instead of Doherty at the very least, things might have been a little better. Look at the difference Swann and Panesar made. They were undoubtedly the keys for England winning the India series (yes Cook played well, but you can't win a test match without 20 wickets). I'm certain O'Keefe would have got Dhoni before he took the test match away. As I was saying BEFORE the series, Johnson and Doherty were horrible picks. Maxwell was a horrible pick as well, but he bowled better than I expected. I wasn't surprised by Starc failing either (who is pretty much the same inconsistent test bowler as Johnson). The four main bowlers should have been Bird/Siddle, Pattinson, O'Keefe, Lyon whilst Rogers, D.Hussey and Cosgrove should have been in the squad. Watson STILL should not be in the test team. He's an awesome ODI player but an ordinary test player. I said all this BEFORE the India series. India was a low point because of the selectors.

  • on June 2, 2013, 21:37 GMT

    @ScottStevo - My friend, you are painted green all over in envy. Spend some time with the record books and you might reconsider calling Indians useless at least after comparing what Indian batsmen number on Australian tracks and what Aussie batsmen number on Indian turfs. We are still not as bad with pace and bounce as you guys with spin. It must have took you Aussies 2 decades to even learn how to spell Googly and Doosra. I do understand names like Dravid, Tendulkar and VVS must have been hard on your eyes and ears over the years. Now since two of them are gone, you have finally extracted little courage to open up. Sadly your days are still numbered, watch out for lads called Kohli, Dhawan and Pujara. They've got enough firepower in them to keep you quite for next 10 years. BTW,did you check Ind vs Srl warm up game scorecard?? :P

  • macadamnut on June 2, 2013, 20:49 GMT

    Where on earth is the scorecard? Wasn't this a first class match?

  • ScottStevo on June 2, 2013, 20:12 GMT

    @jadejafan, As an Aussie, I'd be quite happy to meet India in the semis, though I doubt India will make it as they are completely useless away from home and cannot play on wickets with pace and bounce, as seen when they were whitewashed 4-0 in tests in both England and Australia. Home town heroes where they don't have to use DRS! As for Watson, he's 5000 * better than Jadeja on any wickets outside India, although in ODI and T20, he's still way better than Jadeja who is, most times, completely useless...and even more so outside of India.

  • siddhartha87 on June 2, 2013, 18:06 GMT

    i am Indian and all i can say Ojha and Ashwin are far from world class.They looked helpless when Cook and KP settled in India.Against Australia ,what can i say even Jadeja looked unplayable. Ojha never played a test outside India and we saw how Ashwin did in Autralia

  • Jadejafan on June 2, 2013, 17:40 GMT

    Shane Watson is an average player and his tour to India was proof of that. Hopefully our Indian team will meet Australia in the semi final or final and show the Aussies where they belong :)

  • realfan on June 2, 2013, 17:18 GMT

    @indiasucksgobd : your name suggest your hatred towards india, but i dont mind that , you are simply jealous... but regarding ASHWIN, he has got 92 wickets in 16 matches, thats more than 5 wickets in a match.... and ojah got 102 wickets in 22 matches , thats nearly 5 wickets a match... if you need more stats to call one bowler a world class, refer icc rankings..... cricinfo please publish....

  • Big_Maxy_Walker on June 2, 2013, 16:17 GMT

    I would rather Watson average 30 at the top of the order than Cowan. Watson brings good fielding, experience and bowling. Cowan brings tendency to dob on people and to be the Coach's pet. rogers, cosgrove khawaja, doolan, Clarke, warner, paine, o'keefe, pattinson, harris, bird if I could pick whoever I wanted

  • Dheepan on June 2, 2013, 16:04 GMT

    Watson is a fine cricketer.. But IMHO, he is very Sehwag-like in his game play. He can bully sides and score big runs, but on a sporting track with something in for the bowlers (spin or swing) his batting is usually ineffective! So his position in the middle order is very baffling to me, he is not a crisis-man.. Looking at how the Oz batting is ever in crisis mode with openers going cheap, I would never play him at No5 or 6.. So for him to make some headway in test cricket, he should open and also bowl!

  • Bogelking on June 2, 2013, 15:24 GMT

    There is no doubt about the annihilative ability that Watson possess. He is one of the best all rounders now in world cricket. unfortunately for him, his career has been marred with lot of injuries that have prevented him to be part of the Australian team in a continuous way. But when the opportunity to represent his country is provided, he comes handy with a scintillating knock or with some magic with his spells. Recently he have been in the headlines for the wrong reason-of not submitting homework assigned by Mickey Arthur- despite which does not belittle his ability. Let us hope that Watson carries on with his superb form from IPL to this last edition of the Champions Trophy. Good luck...

  • indiasucksgobd on June 2, 2013, 15:01 GMT

    Gsingh7 ASHWIN AND OJHA WORLD CLASS BOWLERS?roflmao!next time you will say that ishant SHARMA is world class

  • siddhartha87 on June 2, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    watson is a class opener.I will chose watson over cook or compton irrespective of the format any day. Even English fans knows that if Watto clicks the poms will be blasted beyond belief. C'mon Watto show the world what you are !!

  • gsingh7 on June 2, 2013, 14:25 GMT

    agree to watto. but it was lowest point in cricket australia in their 90 year history , beaten 4-0 and all tests lost convincingly. this series will go down in history as final nail in aus domination coffin. they will lose more series in this fashion in future. watson is not test level player. look at indian openers they played with straight bats. watson plays across and world class bowlers like ashwin and ojha will get him out every single time. he needs to leave tests and play odi's only.

  • realfan on June 2, 2013, 13:19 GMT

    watto is great alrounder in my opinion.....he is so worthy , but his team doesnt realize that.....i am sure he will be the player to watch out for in ASHES... and i want ausie to win the ashes, they deserve it.....

  • VillageBlacksmith on June 2, 2013, 12:46 GMT

    Hope watto plays... as there is obv still disquiet in the aussie camp and he is a serial underachiever... and with arthur i/c that is understandable..., I see everyone is picking starco... Swann has a v good test record vs left handers, and with starco's follow thru chewing up the pitch outside the right handers off stump, that is nicely playing in to Eng's hands, just as the NZ lefties did...

  • kc69 on June 2, 2013, 12:25 GMT

    If Ashes is everything above cricket for the Aussies then I'm sorry for the team (Australia) which will not win anything related to cricket. Aus is going the same way as England were 10 years ago.

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on June 2, 2013, 12:16 GMT

    Watson's forgotten that Last Ashes, Many Aus fans deserted their seats and their team as England's every victory came by an entire innings.While the Barmy Army turned Australian grounds cricket ground into English ones: the row upon row of empty seats was one aspect of the total humiliation for Oz that was the last Oz Ashes. This time Watson claims, will be different. No out-captaining of the Aussie captain by the English one. No dominance by the English bowlers unlike every year in year out. Aus's keeper, he hopes might just catch a couple and just try to compete with the best wicket-keeper/batsman in the world (Prior). Clarke might finally change post-the embarrassing afterglow of India where he was asked again and again to 'do a Cook', and take some responsibility for the chaos that reigns above Clarke's bubble of safety of the lower middle order. Those that have been watching mr Watson, know the reality to be very different. Eng 3/4-0, with rain yet again saving Oz

  • derpherp on June 2, 2013, 11:58 GMT

    @ LillianThomson How you got "feature comment" is beyond belief. Hughes made 3 first class centuries in his first county season against the Duke ball, yes, be nervous but he isn't totally out of his depth. Rogers on the other hand has 9 first class double hundreds,A first class average of 50 and the majority of that was accomplished in English conditions. On top of that we don't exactly have the manpower to simple state that a player isn't "test standard".

  • Longhairrocks on June 2, 2013, 11:32 GMT

    @Narbavi...it may be a tough truth for you to swallow, but to most English and Australians, The Ashes matter a lot more than some ODI competition like the Champions Trophy....

  • hhillbumper on June 2, 2013, 11:30 GMT

    I hope they do pick watson in the test team as I love watching him bowl.He proves how an over coached cricketer can be awful. Lets face it he doesn't give a damn for his country but you can be certain he will bowl in IPL

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on June 2, 2013, 11:16 GMT

    Last Ashes, Australian fans deserted their seats and their team as England's every victory came by an entire innings. While the Barmy Army turned Australian grounds cricket ground into ones you'd find in England, the row upon row of empty seats was one aspect of the total humiliation for Oz that was the last Oz Ashes. This time Watson claims, will be different. No out-captaining of the Aussie captain by the English one. No dominance by the English bowlers unlike every year in year out. Aus's keeper, he hopes might just catch a couple and just try to compete with the best wicket-keeper/batsman in the world (Prior). Clarke might finally change post-the embarrassing afterglow of India where he was asked again and again to 'do a Cook', and take some responsibility for the chaos that reigns above Clarke's bubble of safety of the lower middle order. Those that have been watching mr Watson, know the reality to be very different. England 3/4-0, with rain yet again saving Oz in 1 or 2

  • Ozcricketwriter on June 2, 2013, 11:11 GMT

    I would be happy to see Watson continue the form he showed in the IPL and now in the ODI warm up matches, not just for the Champions Trophy but also in to the test team. There is absolutely no reason why he can't succeed in the test team. If it is because he needs to open, then the problem is psychological, not technical. Watson needs to be backed to the hilt, and managed properly as he is our best player in terms of talent.

  • bobagorof on June 2, 2013, 11:10 GMT

    I'm not surprised Watson is looking to move forward, because frankly the India tour was a debacle. What I find particularly interesting, though, in light of comments made a little while ago by James Sutherland, is that the Australian Vice Captain wasn't aware at the time about "things had been building up [,] things that were really affecting certain people in the group". I was of the opinion at the time that there was a massive breakdown in communication from the management to the players, and this just supports that view. Worse, it suggests that even part of the management didn't know what was going on. This needs to be fixed as a priority. How can you perform if you don't know what the expectations are?

  • Kulaputra on June 2, 2013, 11:07 GMT

    Shane Watson will be good lower down in the order than as an opener in England. I do trust team management will not miss what is very obvious. Again, a lot depends on pitches being served up in England.

    Watson's test record does not do justice to his talent. He has to put his head down and improve and bring it way higher than where it is now. Back to back ashes is the chance he has.

    It is not just the Australians. The rest of the world thinks this Champions trophy is irrelevant. If India is winning, I will watch it (as I like to see India win). As a cricketer, this is of no interest to me at all.

  • ssshNevo on June 2, 2013, 11:03 GMT

    typical CA attitude. It's great to see Aus cricket in decline.

  • on June 2, 2013, 10:24 GMT

    Lol.. Aussies consider ashes bigger than World Cup. They have a Champions Trophy coming up but their attitude is like, "Who Cares..We are rather focussing on the Ashes".. Rofl.

  • Beertjie on June 2, 2013, 10:04 GMT

    Agree @Chris P on (June 2, 2013, 8:17 GMT) that he hardly deserves to be there. If he couldn't bowl maybe he wouldn't. That said he's not there for his bowling primarily so he should put up or shut up. Let him bat where he wants but throw him out if he fails to shape up. Cowan may be the one to sit out at the start. His county form is poor.

  • Dazako on June 2, 2013, 9:52 GMT

    Great now he has hit himself a ton in a warm up match in a limited overs tournament on a flat deck with the field up . Judging by his "good form" he will now be free to average 16 in the ashes without getting dropped.

  • Mitty2 on June 2, 2013, 9:30 GMT

    However, I've sensed an improvement from Watson. After always considering him to be a primadonna, arrogant/selfish and a person with disregard for his team with a 'me first attitude', it seems he's done a bit of soul searching!

    Him relinquishing his position as vice captain is very selfless and deserves respect personally. It was most definitely a team first thing and for that my respect for him rose considerably. But what is most prominent to me, is how in the Indian series, every interview he held (note a lot of them), everything was 'me', 'my' or 'I' with absolutely no reference to the struggling team (in whom needed his experience), but now, he actually mentions the team! Seems obvious right? But India, exposed him as a frail batsmen and also mentally.,. So very glad to see him with a relatively refocused mind and thinking of the team. Considering he WILL be in the ashes team, I have to support him despite my distaste... So good luck to him, but still his last chance yet again.

  • Teachers on June 2, 2013, 9:11 GMT

    Read between the lines and Watson has told us a couple of things 1.'The decisions that were made were made for a reason' and 2. 'There were certainly periods of time that things had been building up unbeknown to me'. This could translate that he does not necessarily agree with the decisions made, but accepts that there was a reason for it, and secondly,that he was unaware of what was brewing with some members of the team, he simply copped it when team management came down on them. Don't be surprised if the 1st Test team goes like this: Watson, Rogers, Cowan, Hughes, Warner, Clarke, Haddin, Starc, Patinson, Siddle, Lyon.

  • goldeneraaus on June 2, 2013, 9:08 GMT

    Lillian thomson that is an awful and unrealistic 11.. Katich maybe but goodness knows he has burnt too many bridges (although should never have been dropped), Maxwell is NOT a test spinner, and his batting is not enough to justify taking the spot of one, while Paine has just come off a huge lay-off and has yet to show enough form to warrant inclusion, though I am a huge fan of his. As for Johnson, I think you are the only Australian who still has patience for a man who is far far too inconsistent to be a test bowler..

  • punter-gilly-haydos-mcgrath-warne on June 2, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    I want TIM PAINE why has he not been selected? I am a crazy cricket fan and Aussie supporter and I believe we have talent, but I think the biggest flaws we have in cricket now days is the selectors they are absolutely rubbish and are making every wrong turn possible. Why wasn't Tim Paine selected for the ashes were they looking for a vice captain? Well has not Tim Paine captained the Tasmanian side in all formats and done a bloody good job and he is younger than Haddin (not that I do not like Haddin) and will be looking into the future and not just this Ashes series.

  • Chris_P on June 2, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    For all his undoubted talent in the short form, he doesn't deserve his place in the touring side. Simple as that. And I am one of his biggest supporters, but as far as test cricket is concerned, he simply isn't up to scratch any more & his continued efforts in first class cricket confirms it.When you average less than 30 with the bat & more than 40 with the ball for the past 3 years, no-one can argue he is deserving of a spot in a team that is in a huge rebuilding stage. He might feel he is dropped to his lowest point but he should be thanking someone that he is still in the team, without deserving to be.

  • it_happened_last_in_2001. on June 2, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    Watto has missed out 2 relevant words in the title of this piece - "So Far" Heavy back to back ashes defeats will surely surpass all that has gone before !!

  • on June 2, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    @LillianThompson that is a ridiculous team. why would warner bat at 6 and watson opening ? wouldnt you swap them around * GENIUS * and wheres rogers ? Christ. The team will be 1. Cowan 2. Warner 3. Rogers 4. Hughes 5. Clarke 6. Watson 7. Wade 8. Pattinson ( i want harris to be in their instead of him ) 9. Starc 10. Siddle 11. Lyon

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on June 2, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    look folks, this is the best xi australai can put forward:

    shane watson, phil hughes, chris rogers, michael clarke, ed cowan, brad haddin, james faulkner, ryan harris, mitchell starc, nathan lyon and peter siddle or second spinner(yet to be announced)

  • on June 2, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    Watson is like a mammoth. He doesn't know his own worth...and neither does the school teacher coach..

  • Narbavi on June 2, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    @Kevin Roose: You have a champions trophy to worry about before the ashes!! For the last 6months all you guys have been talking about is 'the ashes', 'the ashes', and then again, 'the ashes'

  • on June 2, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    My 11 first test ; Hughes, Rogers, khawaja , clarke , warner, watson, haddin, Pattinson, starc, harris and siddle ..

  • LillianThomson on June 2, 2013, 7:04 GMT

    I am well aware of Shane Watson's flaws, but at the end of the day the only Australians who are currently active who have ever been Test matchwinners are Michael Clarke, Shane Watson and Mitchell Johnson.

    Watson and Johnson remain on the naughty step because of perceived attitude problems and inconsistency, and inferior players like Cowan, Haddin, Siddle, Lyon and Starc are currently favoured.

    It's deeply frustrating, because a full-strength Australian eleven could win the Ashes, especially if KP is unfit.

    Right now, in 2013, my Australian Ashes eleven would be:

    1. Katich, 2. Watson, 3. Hughes, 4. Clarke, 5. Khawaja, 6. Warner, 7. Paine, 8. Maxwell, 9. Johnson, 10. Starc, 11, Pattinson.

    That batting order is far deeper than England's, whereas the selected one has a tail starting at number six.

  • Narbavi on June 2, 2013, 6:42 GMT

    Great rare cricketer in my opinion, contributes a lot with both bat and ball, strikes fear in the minds of the opposition and he isn't a slogger, he is consistent with the bat in limited overs cricket, would dearly love a few big knocks in test cricket though!!

  • Narbavi on June 2, 2013, 6:42 GMT

    Great rare cricketer in my opinion, contributes a lot with both bat and ball, strikes fear in the minds of the opposition and he isn't a slogger, he is consistent with the bat in limited overs cricket, would dearly love a few big knocks in test cricket though!!

  • LillianThomson on June 2, 2013, 7:04 GMT

    I am well aware of Shane Watson's flaws, but at the end of the day the only Australians who are currently active who have ever been Test matchwinners are Michael Clarke, Shane Watson and Mitchell Johnson.

    Watson and Johnson remain on the naughty step because of perceived attitude problems and inconsistency, and inferior players like Cowan, Haddin, Siddle, Lyon and Starc are currently favoured.

    It's deeply frustrating, because a full-strength Australian eleven could win the Ashes, especially if KP is unfit.

    Right now, in 2013, my Australian Ashes eleven would be:

    1. Katich, 2. Watson, 3. Hughes, 4. Clarke, 5. Khawaja, 6. Warner, 7. Paine, 8. Maxwell, 9. Johnson, 10. Starc, 11, Pattinson.

    That batting order is far deeper than England's, whereas the selected one has a tail starting at number six.

  • on June 2, 2013, 7:25 GMT

    My 11 first test ; Hughes, Rogers, khawaja , clarke , warner, watson, haddin, Pattinson, starc, harris and siddle ..

  • Narbavi on June 2, 2013, 7:45 GMT

    @Kevin Roose: You have a champions trophy to worry about before the ashes!! For the last 6months all you guys have been talking about is 'the ashes', 'the ashes', and then again, 'the ashes'

  • on June 2, 2013, 7:55 GMT

    Watson is like a mammoth. He doesn't know his own worth...and neither does the school teacher coach..

  • RyanHarrisGreatCricketer on June 2, 2013, 8:02 GMT

    look folks, this is the best xi australai can put forward:

    shane watson, phil hughes, chris rogers, michael clarke, ed cowan, brad haddin, james faulkner, ryan harris, mitchell starc, nathan lyon and peter siddle or second spinner(yet to be announced)

  • on June 2, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    @LillianThompson that is a ridiculous team. why would warner bat at 6 and watson opening ? wouldnt you swap them around * GENIUS * and wheres rogers ? Christ. The team will be 1. Cowan 2. Warner 3. Rogers 4. Hughes 5. Clarke 6. Watson 7. Wade 8. Pattinson ( i want harris to be in their instead of him ) 9. Starc 10. Siddle 11. Lyon

  • it_happened_last_in_2001. on June 2, 2013, 8:16 GMT

    Watto has missed out 2 relevant words in the title of this piece - "So Far" Heavy back to back ashes defeats will surely surpass all that has gone before !!

  • Chris_P on June 2, 2013, 8:17 GMT

    For all his undoubted talent in the short form, he doesn't deserve his place in the touring side. Simple as that. And I am one of his biggest supporters, but as far as test cricket is concerned, he simply isn't up to scratch any more & his continued efforts in first class cricket confirms it.When you average less than 30 with the bat & more than 40 with the ball for the past 3 years, no-one can argue he is deserving of a spot in a team that is in a huge rebuilding stage. He might feel he is dropped to his lowest point but he should be thanking someone that he is still in the team, without deserving to be.

  • punter-gilly-haydos-mcgrath-warne on June 2, 2013, 9:00 GMT

    I want TIM PAINE why has he not been selected? I am a crazy cricket fan and Aussie supporter and I believe we have talent, but I think the biggest flaws we have in cricket now days is the selectors they are absolutely rubbish and are making every wrong turn possible. Why wasn't Tim Paine selected for the ashes were they looking for a vice captain? Well has not Tim Paine captained the Tasmanian side in all formats and done a bloody good job and he is younger than Haddin (not that I do not like Haddin) and will be looking into the future and not just this Ashes series.