Samir Chopra March 10, 2010

Should any 'family' be this tolerant?

There is a way of describing Pakistani cricket, which used to be tiresome but which has now started to strike me as patently offensive
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Pakistan cricket has plunged into yet another crisis, and it calls for a different reaction from outsiders. © Associated Press

Apparently, there is some drama in the world of Pakistani cricket. The headlines are sensational, and the outraged reaction even more so. But really, is this even mildly interesting? All the banned players will be back soon enough and Pakistan cricket will go on the way as it did before: dysfunctional in the extreme.

There is a way of describing Pakistani cricket, which used to be tiresome but which has now started to strike me as patently offensive. This is the insistence that Pakistani cricket is charmingly erratic, wonderfully unpredictable, beautifully inconsistent, sublimely indisciplined. Right, I'm making these up. But you see the pattern. Pair a couple of adjectives which span the spectrum from the sublime to the sordid and have a go at describing Pakistani cricket. And I suspect the world of Pakistani cricket revels in this description, because this sort of indulgent tolerance gives it a free pass.

A common feature of the calls for a display of solidarity with the Pakistani cricket world in its "time of need" is the invocation of "family" and "fraternity". I find that a bit over the top, but let's stay with it for a second. If we are going to invoke the family trope, then let's go the whole hog. What kind of family member is Pakistan then? Your lovely talented nephew who can't behave himself? Your incapable-of-good-manners little sister? What does it take for the family to say "Enough is enough"? (I don't know what "enough is enough" amounts to in the cricket case but at the very least it should be an end of the amused indulgence of Pakistani dysfunction, whether it is within the team or between the board and the team).

Pakistani cricket has been lurching from disaster to disaster for a very long time, marked by endemic indiscipline and a stunning lack of professionalism in all too many fronts. From Inzamam-ul-Haq's assault on a spectator, to the many player-captain disputes, to Test-match forfeits, to the doping scandals, to the failure of security. Yet, the worldwide perception of it as, you guessed it, charmingly erratic, persists. And the clarion calls for solidarity to support, shoulder-to-shoulder, whatever latest species of misbehaviour it throws at us never cease. Where one would demand introspection and self-correction, we are asked to look for failures elsewhere: umpiring conspiracies, non-cooperative neighbour boards, ignorant, racist, paranoia about safety, the list goes on.

We could all do with a little tough love. The continued winking at the indiscipline that pervades both the PCB and its team is part of the problem that affects Pakistani cricket. Crises of behaviour among members of a group demand introspection and change from all members of the group. The first step for outsiders (the Pakistanis have their own work to do) would be to ask themselves what role their constant indulgence of the foibles of Pakistani cricket has played in its random walk down Indiscipline Street.

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Samir Chopra lives in Brooklyn and teaches Philosophy at the City University of New York. He tweets here

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  • Sanjay Bodduluri on August 31, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    Well of course Samir you did create a point out of Pakistan's pain.Agreed that there is more dismal show on offer currently from Pakistan, but at numerous times, we saw numerous players from all cricket playing nations do the cheating act. No one nation can distance itself from the acts of shame in every sport.

    Professionalism is not about highlighting the plight of others or imposing our thoughts on how it should be corrected. Pakistan also produced several world class players and definitely the best fast bowling pairs that no cricketing nation has ever been able to produce. I am an Indian and I am proud of our players their attitudes and versatal and their sporting ability and equally proud of Pakistani players. When we judge people, look at their backgrounds, socio economic conditions, their understanding of professionalism and standards and their state of political regime. Pakistan though is unfortunately confronted by problems, but second only to India for that matter.

  • Cricsavvy on August 31, 2010, 0:34 GMT

    Pak Cricket is a TOTAL DISGRACE. No argument will erase this fact.

  • Nasser on August 30, 2010, 18:56 GMT

    Great article by Samir - all correct and nothing unusual. Pak cricket reflects the true Pakistani culture as reflected by the many response from so-called Pakistani supporters, who are too coward to accept their national faults and are hence far too incompetent to take any corrective action. The Pakistani psyche is to cheat, take undue advantage of anyone weaker, not use rationale, not do the right thing etc. Pakistan may not be the only nation like this but as a Pakistani, I am, at this moment, thinking of what is wrong with Pakistan, and what we can do to correct our wrongs. May Allah guide us. Thank you Samir, once again, for saying it as it is.

  • Nasser on August 30, 2010, 18:55 GMT

    Great article by Samir - all correct and nothing unusual. Pak cricket reflects the true Pakistani culture as reflected by the many response from so-called Pakistani supporters, who are too coward to accept their national faults and are hence far too incompetent to take any corrective action. The Pakistani psyche is to cheat, take undue advantage of anyone weaker, not use rationale, not do the right thing etc. Pakistan may not be the only nation like this but as a Pakistani, I am, at this moment, thinking of what is wrong with Pakistan, and what we can do to correct our wrongs. May Allah guide us. Thank you Samir, once again, for saying it as it is.

  • Merri on August 30, 2010, 15:48 GMT

    While I don't agree with some Pakistani contributors' attempts at rejecting all faults on the whole World around (if there are so many incidents involving Pakistani players, there must be something about them, if only their unability to manage conflict-laden situations), I must admit that there is something rotten outside Pakistan. Perhaps that's naive, but if I were a bookie -internet-based or other- who just lost zillions to a guy who bet that there would be two no-balls in over n° X, I would cease offering such betting possibilities. Such pinpoint bets are so much sensible to single-person actions. I don't claim that they should be prohibited, only that, knowing where there interests lie, the bookies should have discontinued them spontaneously. So, how come that they still exist ?

  • Anonymous on August 30, 2010, 10:45 GMT

    Mr. chopra what a gleaming display of an indian ideology... I fail to understand how a person can point a finger on others when there is so much going on in his "Much-loved" country.

    Who was Lalit Modi???? Do u even knw what led to introduction of neutral umpires in the field of cricket?? What abt symond and harbhajan??? What abt Harbhajan and sreesanth??? n above all everyone knws which country is richest when it comes to bookmakers...

    What are you trying to prove????

  • sumaira on August 30, 2010, 10:25 GMT

    brilliantly written, i too find it offensive that pakistan is always described as unpredictable, this has allowed them to get away with alot more than they should have. Unfortunately, in a country where corruption is rife, i dont see how any of this will be solved. We saw the match fixing crisis once before, and all the players came back to play for pakistan with only 2 exceptions.

  • salman on August 30, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    To anand venkat.. Mr ANand in South Africa indian team was caught tampering...against Aussie u remember the row about monkey callin.. do u remmebr jelly bean inccident do u remmebr jadeja ban do u remeber azhruddin ban do u remember ur gr8 prabhakar claimed that ur cricketer of the century Kapil dev offfered him bribe to under perfrom.. Do u remember ur inccident between ganguly and chappel.. Do u remmber incident of Lalit modi and IPL Fiasco..so India is the root cause of fixing every body knows it who is at the centre stage of match fixing

  • salman on August 30, 2010, 9:10 GMT

    Samir my friend..if it is about fixing..India has to be blamed..they have the bookie's networks which is causing havoc in cricket

  • ahmed khan on August 30, 2010, 7:18 GMT

    What about Bhaji slapping a fellow player on the ground? What about Yuvi showing figer to the crowd in srilanka? what about jadeja/azharudding involved in match fixing? The whole world is cursing why they have given Commonwealth games to this country and as it is marred by one of the worst corruptions of all time?

  • Sanjay Bodduluri on August 31, 2010, 4:46 GMT

    Well of course Samir you did create a point out of Pakistan's pain.Agreed that there is more dismal show on offer currently from Pakistan, but at numerous times, we saw numerous players from all cricket playing nations do the cheating act. No one nation can distance itself from the acts of shame in every sport.

    Professionalism is not about highlighting the plight of others or imposing our thoughts on how it should be corrected. Pakistan also produced several world class players and definitely the best fast bowling pairs that no cricketing nation has ever been able to produce. I am an Indian and I am proud of our players their attitudes and versatal and their sporting ability and equally proud of Pakistani players. When we judge people, look at their backgrounds, socio economic conditions, their understanding of professionalism and standards and their state of political regime. Pakistan though is unfortunately confronted by problems, but second only to India for that matter.

  • Cricsavvy on August 31, 2010, 0:34 GMT

    Pak Cricket is a TOTAL DISGRACE. No argument will erase this fact.

  • Nasser on August 30, 2010, 18:56 GMT

    Great article by Samir - all correct and nothing unusual. Pak cricket reflects the true Pakistani culture as reflected by the many response from so-called Pakistani supporters, who are too coward to accept their national faults and are hence far too incompetent to take any corrective action. The Pakistani psyche is to cheat, take undue advantage of anyone weaker, not use rationale, not do the right thing etc. Pakistan may not be the only nation like this but as a Pakistani, I am, at this moment, thinking of what is wrong with Pakistan, and what we can do to correct our wrongs. May Allah guide us. Thank you Samir, once again, for saying it as it is.

  • Nasser on August 30, 2010, 18:55 GMT

    Great article by Samir - all correct and nothing unusual. Pak cricket reflects the true Pakistani culture as reflected by the many response from so-called Pakistani supporters, who are too coward to accept their national faults and are hence far too incompetent to take any corrective action. The Pakistani psyche is to cheat, take undue advantage of anyone weaker, not use rationale, not do the right thing etc. Pakistan may not be the only nation like this but as a Pakistani, I am, at this moment, thinking of what is wrong with Pakistan, and what we can do to correct our wrongs. May Allah guide us. Thank you Samir, once again, for saying it as it is.

  • Merri on August 30, 2010, 15:48 GMT

    While I don't agree with some Pakistani contributors' attempts at rejecting all faults on the whole World around (if there are so many incidents involving Pakistani players, there must be something about them, if only their unability to manage conflict-laden situations), I must admit that there is something rotten outside Pakistan. Perhaps that's naive, but if I were a bookie -internet-based or other- who just lost zillions to a guy who bet that there would be two no-balls in over n° X, I would cease offering such betting possibilities. Such pinpoint bets are so much sensible to single-person actions. I don't claim that they should be prohibited, only that, knowing where there interests lie, the bookies should have discontinued them spontaneously. So, how come that they still exist ?

  • Anonymous on August 30, 2010, 10:45 GMT

    Mr. chopra what a gleaming display of an indian ideology... I fail to understand how a person can point a finger on others when there is so much going on in his "Much-loved" country.

    Who was Lalit Modi???? Do u even knw what led to introduction of neutral umpires in the field of cricket?? What abt symond and harbhajan??? What abt Harbhajan and sreesanth??? n above all everyone knws which country is richest when it comes to bookmakers...

    What are you trying to prove????

  • sumaira on August 30, 2010, 10:25 GMT

    brilliantly written, i too find it offensive that pakistan is always described as unpredictable, this has allowed them to get away with alot more than they should have. Unfortunately, in a country where corruption is rife, i dont see how any of this will be solved. We saw the match fixing crisis once before, and all the players came back to play for pakistan with only 2 exceptions.

  • salman on August 30, 2010, 9:19 GMT

    To anand venkat.. Mr ANand in South Africa indian team was caught tampering...against Aussie u remember the row about monkey callin.. do u remmebr jelly bean inccident do u remmebr jadeja ban do u remeber azhruddin ban do u remember ur gr8 prabhakar claimed that ur cricketer of the century Kapil dev offfered him bribe to under perfrom.. Do u remember ur inccident between ganguly and chappel.. Do u remmber incident of Lalit modi and IPL Fiasco..so India is the root cause of fixing every body knows it who is at the centre stage of match fixing

  • salman on August 30, 2010, 9:10 GMT

    Samir my friend..if it is about fixing..India has to be blamed..they have the bookie's networks which is causing havoc in cricket

  • ahmed khan on August 30, 2010, 7:18 GMT

    What about Bhaji slapping a fellow player on the ground? What about Yuvi showing figer to the crowd in srilanka? what about jadeja/azharudding involved in match fixing? The whole world is cursing why they have given Commonwealth games to this country and as it is marred by one of the worst corruptions of all time?

  • Ahmed Khan on August 30, 2010, 7:14 GMT

    hey Samir,

    What about the aussies & south african involved and punished for spotting/fixing. Hey dude, every new day we read a new level of corruption story with the Commonwealth games! Get your house in order first be4 throwing this mud on others! No body is an angel here..

  • soulberry on March 21, 2010, 14:30 GMT

    Well written sir and with plenty of feeling for Pakistan cricket. We all who have admired the better aspects of their cricket have become almost as disappointed with the sameness of their routine. It is indeed a message of tough love sir.

  • Noman Yousuf on March 13, 2010, 6:58 GMT

    Oh common!! Now you don't have the guts to publish my views? If cricinfo is a democratic platform, which can allow such pieces to publish, then why not my comments? Again i would ask you Samir, 'what are you trying to suggest mate?

  • EASA-Ali on March 11, 2010, 20:07 GMT

    Despite all our shortcomings ie a wholly incompitant cricket board, nepotism, infighting, unprofessionalism, matchfixing allegations, rubbish domestic set up, new captain every other series, no international cricket at home, drugs, bans; Pak cricket has surived and will continue to do so. We should be relegated in the Zimbabwe league but yet we end up producing some of the best cricketers inthe world, win WC 20/20 finals after being neglected by the IPL, finalist in the under 19 WC, finalist in the first 20/20 wc and the 1999 Wc. I believe it's this fact that many observers find hard to accept. If we can achieve all this with all our problems whilst having to deal with terrorists day in day out at home just imagine what we could achieve if our problems were simply halved-it's simply mind bogling. Finally we still go to the WI as favourites .

  • AM on March 11, 2010, 20:06 GMT

    As someone who has followed Pakistan cricket for 43 years, I consider myself a huge critic of the way Pakistan cricket is run and played these days. I myself am sick of this unpredictability tag that is consistently applied to Pakistani cricket teams. In fact if the Pakistani cricketers were to play or behave in the same way playing cricket for teams other than those in Pakistan, they would soon be thrown out of their jobs. But what exactly is this "tough love" that the author of this article is proposing? Remember in 1978-79 the Indian cricket team also forfeited a match while playing a one-day match in Pakistan because they didn't like the umpiring. If I remember correctly Sarfaraz Nawaz bowled a spate of bouncers to the Indian batsmen and they decided that they didn't want any further part in that match because those bouncers were not called wides. I am not anti-India, and on the whole I appreciate the positive comments of Indian cricket fans concerning Pakistan cricket.

  • Yasir Rehman on March 11, 2010, 17:03 GMT

    What is this writer suggesting - we throw Pakistan out of world cricket? All countries have had their fair share of controversies. People have short memories and this writer only needs to look closer to home. Indian cricket, very recently went through the Mike Dennes and the Steve Bucknor affair. There were match-fixing controversies before that. Cricket is very cyclical in nature. India, at the moment, is going through a purple patch. Once it hits a lean one, which it inevitably will due to their mediocre bowling resources, things may very well revert to how things were in the 80's and the 90's. Pakistani cricket is prone to controversies and will continue to be, however, the cricketing world is richer with Pakistan being a member of the fraternity.

  • sukamal ghosh on March 11, 2010, 14:45 GMT

    i hope there is some strong ground for this unthinkable decision taken by PCB.but i am happy(purely for cricketing reason)that they have baned YUNIS and YOUSUF(both had bored me with there batting styles) becoz now we will get to see some good and explosive talents and i am happy that the Akmal brother and Afridi were only handed fines becoz cricket needs these player especially Umar Akmal(for me he is next Tendulkar)

  • Imran Khan on March 11, 2010, 14:26 GMT

    Hey Guys hold on...I feel Samir Chopra is absolutly right there....He has only mentioned the turmoils our cricket has gone thru..It is not the blame he is trying to put..Let me tell u guys...This is a Nautanki done by Pakistani Board and believe me all the players who have been banned will be back in the team...I have a strong belief that our team needs a thorough overhauling and Board was absolutely right in banning players and putting penalities..If we see our record from 2003 onwards it is pathatic in ODIs and Test Matches..We have performed very poorly against good teams and outside sub-continent our record has been poor..Time to say bye bye to Younis and Yousuf who are good players but only in Subcontinent conditions..Golden opptn for Pakistani cricket to revive, start fresh and get new guys in the team..How long we have to carry non-performers like Farhat/Butt/Younis/Afridi/Yousuf/Malik...Time to drop them...Hatsoff to PCB...Great Article by Samir Bhai...

  • H Syed on March 11, 2010, 14:16 GMT

    Please, save your love.BCCI has shown all the love it needs to, BCCI is all about the money, heck if it was all about love, Pakistan would have been allowed to hold its matches at a neutral venue, then there the IPL fiasco.So as another poster pointed out, Low blow.Yes we do have an inept board but theres enough people in Pakistan to point that out and recognise problem. And board player issues happen elsewhere, WI, Zimbabwe, and has happened in other countries at various times.

  • Daniyal on March 11, 2010, 13:19 GMT

    Your blog is lost on me I have no clue what you're referring to. Cricketers of all nations have run into discipline problems now and then; Symonds & Harbhajan come instantly to mind when thinking of indiscipline. As far as the latest drama goes I for one am glad that bans were handed down lets face it no matter who the selection committee comprises off the same old faces come to the front and we see disappointing cricket every time.

    Here's hoping for a clean break and a fresh start.

  • Anand Venkat on March 11, 2010, 12:56 GMT

    I think Samir has been a bit moderate with his comments.Just imagine how many times did Sahid Afridi get caught cheating (tampering the pitch, tampering/biting the ball)? That too after Inzi refused to take the field because his team was accused of ball tampering citing 'Izzat' as the reason. How many times does an international cricketer gets banned for doping and gets arrested in another country for possession of drugs after that? how many international cricketers have tried to beat up a spectator? (of course, Inzi was provoked, but so were others, who don't react in such fashion). I don't recall any other cricketer being sent back home half way through a tour for assaulting his own team mate. Is there any other team with so many ex-captains in the side? and most of them are ex-captains for non-cricketing reasons. Not to mention the mysterious death of Bob Woolmer. despite all this unporfessionalisms and controvorsies Pakisthani cricket cricketers never cease to amaze on the field.

  • Muj on March 11, 2010, 12:49 GMT

    This article does not make any sense to me

  • Kamran on March 11, 2010, 12:05 GMT

    Totally unfair... PCB has some damn extremers..... Salman butt should not be the captain rather he should not be in wt20 squad. why are they ignoring Legends Razzaq, Afridi, Kamran......? what is the hell in PCB selectors mind ...?

  • Feroz Shah on March 11, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    Well its very sad to ban such players who served for the country for long yars but the fact is that they deserved this punishment since they were not respecting the country and honour hopefully PCB will stand firm on this does not matter if we lose for another year finally we can built our youth team as the current players are also giving the same result of losing each and every game.

  • Nirmalya Choudhury on March 11, 2010, 11:26 GMT

    I think the cricket board of Pakistan should also take responsibility for the recent poor show of the team. Punish the players who played a divisive role in the team. But I think the punishment meted out is way too harsh, simply because who will fill the shoes of Yousuf, Afridi or Younis? As for politics, it exists in all teams, but more blatantly in Pakistan team, we have not forgotten the many public spats between Pakistani players. The only way to solve this is a cricket board, which is free of the same menace.

  • vishal nahar on March 11, 2010, 9:48 GMT

    I would agree with sameer, the chairman is destroying the Pakistani cricket banning younis & yousuf is not the last way remain to improve the standard of pakistani cricket and taking no hard action against Afridi for ball tampering is seriously shit

  • Kartik on March 11, 2010, 9:42 GMT

    @sirfcricket What stuff are you on mate? The doping scandal did not involve any Pakistani? So what does that make Mohammad Asif? An Android from Pluto? It was opium in Dubai and nandralone in the IPL, not aspirin, man. And its amply clear from articles of erudite commentators within Pakistan that the security lapse in Lahore last year was clearly the PCB's fault. And by the way, suppose the spectator that was assaulted by Inzamam was not "Indian" but "Pakistani" would the act have been any less disgraceful? PCB's attitude towards the rest of the cricketing world over the last one year has been that of a beggar with a begging bowl in one hand and the middle finger propped up in the other. High time for them, and you, to wake up and smell the coffee. You displayed all the characteristics that the author has highlighted about Pakistan cricket in this article: blaming umpires, blaming the BCCI and crying hoarse about the supposed racist conspiracy being inflicted upon your cricket team.

  • waterbuffalo on March 11, 2010, 9:10 GMT

    Sacking Mohammad Yousuf is ridiculous, the PCB wants to get rid of their best batsman since Inzamam ul-Haq and they want to go to england to play two tests with Oz and four with England. There is no end to the stupidity and ignorance of the PCB. They cannot stand up to India, so they bully their own players. What did yousuf do that was so wrong? Was it his fault Pakistan could not chase 170 in the second innings of the second Test? Sack the cry baby Younis by all means, but not Yousuf. The phrase, never ceases to amaze; will always apply to the useless PCB.

  • Samie Cashmiri on March 11, 2010, 9:08 GMT

    Mr Samir's comments create a stench as long as a mile and seems to be seeking attention through some sordid bad mouthing. I suggest that you review the history of Pakistani cricket and players who have won many a match and tournament. There are highs and lows in every team and given the lack of cricket played by the Pakistan team in comparison to others in recent years, it still creates challenge for other countries. Learn to be respectful and not biased when writing. Expand beyond your tunnel vision.....

  • SGN on March 11, 2010, 8:34 GMT

    Wow - talk about journalistic standards, but I guess blogging is not really journalism anyway.

    Regardless, Mr. Chopra's bias oozes out of everything from the title to the last full-stop. Mr. Chopra's attempted portrayal of a global cricket family having finally had enough of its prodigal son shows very clearly a good literary imagination and, in so doing, that fiction can pass for analysis on Cricinfo. The whole idea of a global cricket "family" died when Pakistan cricket was basically left to bleed to death after 9/11, way before the dastardly attack on the Sri Lankan team. The fact that Pakistan cricket actually hasn't bled to death yet surely irks Mr. Chopra. Unthinkable events such as Pakistan winning the T20 World Cup (and that no less in the era of "I"PL) may have silenced many a detractor, but not Mr. Chopra.

    What was missing in the article was a "final solution" to the "problem" that is Pakistan cricket.

  • Rashid on March 11, 2010, 7:33 GMT

    There is a saying in Arabic that when the camel is down every body runs with daggers to take his share. Inzimam hitting a spectator appears in the list of problems created by Pakistan team...what about Harbajan hitting Sirisanth? If match forfeit was a making of paksitan team then what about India threatening to discontinue Australian tour if Harbajan gets what he deserves for racial slur. It does not take a genius to understand that your blog is not out of love of sport but.....

  • Longmemory on March 11, 2010, 7:02 GMT

    A few points - in random order. First, for all those who don't like the piece and want it off the cricinfo site - grow up. Its called democracy and free speech which means I don't have to agree with you and vice versa, but we both have the right to express our views. Second, Samir, I'm not sure that the oxymorons used to describe Pak cricket are necessarily indulgent or (to put words in your mouth) instances of our "enabling" their dysfunction. The fact is, that with such a pathetic Board, such lousy selectors and infrastructure, and such constant infighting, Pak teams are tremendous over-achievers year after year. That such brilliance thrives amidst such squalor is remarkable. Third, I have to agree that better examples could have made your point. Inzi's reaction in Toronto, the Hair episode, the failed security during the SL series, are all instances where there's plenty of room to disagree on who is the culprit.

  • Mohammad Ramzan on March 11, 2010, 6:43 GMT

    I think that it is not a good decision to ban on our great players.I Think are resigned himself because he is not able to manage cricket board and cricketers also.In my view Mr Toqueer Zia back on their seat for good management and nice decesion making power Thanks

  • nomi on March 11, 2010, 6:41 GMT

    What would you wnat to do, can you spell it out?Have to take his classes to just understand the kind of philosophy he would teach. The so-called problems this bigoted author is alluding are mostly internal to Pakistan cricket and have nothing to do with others. Anything which Pakistanis get punished for are within laws and it ends the matter at that point. We all understand that India holds the financial clout these days and it is definitely entitled to make hay while the sun shines.

  • A on March 11, 2010, 6:09 GMT

    I get what Samir is trying to write, but seriously talk about venom. May be he is secretly a fan of Pakistan Cricket and is now frustrated. Every team makes mistakes, sorry not the Indian Team. I mean I dont mind a scathing article or two but this article just wreeks and i am disappointed. And family Sir, is Family no matter what. At least thats how Pakistani's grow up.

  • Anoopa on March 11, 2010, 5:44 GMT

    "Atleast we went and won a world cup for Pakistan instead of arranging our own league to play and win in." I almost don't want to agree with Mr. Raza Bashir, but I think I do, albeit with a smile. I disagree that, as an "outside" Samir Chopra doesn't have the right to an opinion; everone does. But perhaps talking about Inzy's incident and the forfeiture is a bit of a stretch in this context. After all, the Indian team does have players who slap each other, let alone members of the audience. And Inzy was a fantastic cricketer, let's never forget that. Using his name casually to make some sweeping general statement about Pakistani cricket is laughable. An opinion article is a grand idea, but it's best if it is an informed opinion.

  • Dr.Iyer on March 11, 2010, 4:14 GMT

    @ Raza Bashir : Good joke man! Atleast you went to win a world cup. And did not create a league. If for insistence say u create a league, whose gonna come? Even ur team players are again going to fight their egos and supply their hand to the mess that ur administration will create anyways. Can you say there is one player with pride that he can be a role model in Pakistan team? Remember the last season was our(INDIA) best and where is Pakistan here? We are World No 1 in tests and 2 in O.D.Is. This article though written by Samir was not in Indian prespective. If so it ld have been different. So refrain yourself.

  • Dr.Iyer on March 11, 2010, 4:08 GMT

    Spot on Samir. Though few part of the articles are not exact its true reflection of what happening with Pakistan Cricket. They are totally unprofessional and Indisciplined. A lot of it depends on the mental makeup of the people there who are constantly living under one or another kind of Tyranny. Maybe ICC takes a hard step too like PCB and issue a warning to act sensibly. Else no time Pakistan will compete with Zimbabawae and West Indies in maladministration.

  • Asif on March 11, 2010, 4:02 GMT

    What's your point man? What is it that the outside world to to show our 'tough love'?

  • oops on March 11, 2010, 3:39 GMT

    pakistan cricket's failures and embarrassments are nobody else's fault but the pakistanis themselves. but wonder what the real motivations of this blog writer are. one thing they're not is 'tough love.'

  • Sirfcricket on March 11, 2010, 3:23 GMT

    Everybody is reacting with disappointment and surprise to the PCB's decision without knowing the enquiry committee's report. Yousaf and Yunis have been banned on the basis of report made by the committee. That report must have evidences of these two being involved in deliberate defeat or match-fixing kind of things. I think PCB should have clearly told the press that why Yousaf and Yunis are being banned. I am sure there are some solid evidences against these players on some deliberate efforts of losing to Australia.

  • Faisal on March 11, 2010, 2:59 GMT

    Utterly biased article by an Inidan (what else to expect). PCB after a long long time has taken a tough step but here we have this article demanding more from the cricket fraternity, despite Pakistan banishing its own players and not someone from the cricket fraternity. Does it not remind you of how US treats Pakistan i.e. after sacrificing thousands of civilians and soliders to the US instigated war, yet they threaten & demand more!

  • Ar on March 11, 2010, 0:50 GMT

    This article is hilarious, you almost make it sound like Pakistan cricket is getting a free-ride from other boards. The other boards are just lining up to help us right? Specially the BCCI. Truth is we don't need anymore enemies while we have our faithful PCB. But here's the thing, this is to all Indian commentators who feel the need to discuss Pakistan cricket...don't just don't... since you don't even recognize us, why bother with posting such a ridiculous article? you can get a good laugh in the comfort of your homes just don't post stuff tht makes you sound like your on something

  • Aman on March 10, 2010, 22:50 GMT

    I may not agree with you a 100% Samir, but you're right for the most part.

    This chaos is vintage Pakistan cricket. Its a storm that fans like me have learned to endure through.

    Food for thought...

    Isn't it amazing to see Team Pakistan accomplish all that it has despite this continuing madness?

    if that's not mental toughness, i don't know what is.

  • Avi Singh on March 10, 2010, 20:43 GMT

    I agree with Samir entirely, Pakistan itself should be banned or suspended until it gets its act together. Although that'll never happen if people continue to make excuses for the shoddy unprofessionalism that is the greatest defining characteristic of Pakistan cricket. Get real people, Pakistan has made a mess of everything over the last decade and its time they get sorted out.

  • Asad Liaqat on March 10, 2010, 20:11 GMT

    Dear Sir,

    As a philosophy professor, it must have taken quite a lot of soul-selling to come up with this load of crap. As a student of philosophy somewhere very near you and an equally avid cricket fan, I am pleased to inform you that you have succeeded in simultaneously becoming the cricket writer and the philosophy professor I have the least respect for. Congratulations, and I will make sure I never come across you at CUNY.

    Sincerely.

  • saurabh on March 10, 2010, 19:59 GMT

    I think it might be a chicken and egg problem: what got spoiled first, the talent and cohesiveness of the team or the managerial capabilities of PCB? Maybe its never been there... As far as talent goes there is very little question, it was and is still there, in loads. Not sure about the management. The exasperation I detect in Samir's article is probably because of the sheer incapability of the team + management to adapt with the changing game. To play with heart and passion is great but with increased exposure and longer calendar professionalism becomes more important, which is what the PCB and the Team sorely lacks (Somebody please give Afridi a clue). And they go about nipping at each other like schoolkids. Pak needs some level headed people at the top, maybe Mohsin and Waqar are the ones, maybe not. There's GOT to be more than 1 capable leader (after Imran) in the entire population.

  • M.Limbada on March 10, 2010, 19:55 GMT

    Erm......this article ia a bit biased to say the least. Samir writes about Inzi's assault on a spectator. How about an Indian player who did the same in England (to an Indian fan I should say in Leicester!). Samir you do write some stupid articles and this is one of them. You should not be allowed to write anything on Cricinfo because it does injustice to this website. In fact you should be banned from writing anything about cricket in any shape or form except in India.

  • zain mohammed on March 10, 2010, 19:42 GMT

    I am just guessing that the writer of this article is indian.. just a guess. and also lets kick pakistan cricket whilst it down.. or lets kick them again and jsut to make sure whislt there are knocked out cold lets stamp on them again and again... i know this all sounds very dramatic. but then my punchline is.. aleast when you are trashing paksitani cricket offer some solutions. in business management this is reffered to as a shit sandwich. which means you atleast sandwich some thing postive in the middle.

  • Assad on March 10, 2010, 19:41 GMT

    I am sorry Sameer but you really have no business writing about the internal decisions of the PCB. What you should be concerned about is that inspite of all the internal turmoil of Pakistan cricket, it still has a better 50% rate of victory against india in both tests and ODIs. What you might also want to consider is that less then a year ago this very team lifted the T20 world cup..The reason why the world celebrates Pakistan cricket is because we produce players like Wasim Akram,Waqar Younis,Imran Khan, Shahid Afridi,Saeed Anwar. None of these players were models of discipline in their times but were easily the most exciting players of their eras. So show a little more respect to Pakistan cricket and try a little harder to disguise that typical Indian bias woven so blatantly in every word of your article.

  • qasemh on March 10, 2010, 19:24 GMT

    Hey Mr. author, are you from Pakistan's friendly neighbouring country? You sure sound like you are.

  • touqeer virk on March 10, 2010, 19:04 GMT

    olny younis should b banned.he is nothing but nonsense person .playing with the approach of a general.he should not be allow to even come near to the cricket.and bloody rashid saying no cricket without younis in karachi.check out his odi record.

  • Asif Ali on March 10, 2010, 18:49 GMT

    Mr. Chopra, when writing an article about a country's most passionate game, try to do that with a neutral mind frame. The reason you being so -ve is that you are only in the usual racist indian mind frame.... If you can recall Pakistan supported Indian board and asian block for ages and that is where they have made mistakes... But now when we look up on to India they have shown their real horrible face.... same thing you are trying to do with writing such an article... No one with normal brain can write such a non sense...

  • naqeeb alvi on March 10, 2010, 18:45 GMT

    we need captain like imran khan no fine and ban r require

  • imran on March 10, 2010, 18:34 GMT

    decision is right for malik only but not for others specially for yousuf.... i feel really sad for him

  • santosh panda on March 10, 2010, 18:34 GMT

    Pakistan, Once a mighty team is going downward because of incapable board member. They should hire experts like Lalit Modi of BCCI who gives opportunity for the player to grow rich and at the same time make cricketing board profitable. In pakistan except Imran and Inzi.. I think every captain is fear of becoming scape goat. This must stop. Let players prosper in the game of cricket which has tremendous potential for growing friendship and wealth of the nation

  • xeeshan on March 10, 2010, 18:32 GMT

    hey mr. samir chopra watever you are? are you analyzing the current situation or you just throwing out all the grudge you have for Pakistan. It seems to me that this article is not about Pakistani Cricket, rather its about Hate and Grudge of Pakistan you have inside you. I am really shocked how CricInfo allowed this article to be published. I am not shocked at Samir Chopra's Article as i think he has some problem with him, but i am disappointed at cricinfo who let this article to be published.

  • whitepebbles25 on March 10, 2010, 18:26 GMT

    Mr. Samir Chopra dont you have Lalit Modi or IPL to write about, i agree with Khalid and almost all people who commented here, what are you trying to gain here, dont try to get cheap publicity by stiring up nonsens didnt IPL2 played in SA because BCCI couldnt get security sorted? security PCB fault? next thing you will say USA invading Iraq is because of Ijaz Butt ? comon mate be sensaible .... You are a prof. blogger, please make sure you write with responsability, cricinfo should look into this.

    As far as PCB decision is concern the need to prove by publishing the finding of the comission report, no one will know untill then.

  • Dr.Limple on March 10, 2010, 18:25 GMT

    Oh really?? I am just going to go ahead and assume that you are writing this piece from an indian fan's perspective as clearly it is littered with "clues" as to where you stand. Has anyone even asked the indian board or the indian public at large to be "tolerant" of Pakistan cricket? if anything they would do well to keep their noses out of our business. If your definition of tolerance is banning Pak players from playing in a global tournament you are organizing in your country and flexing your muscles to stop neighbouring countries from touring Pakistan, then clearly this kind of tolerance we can do without. Hopefully this mess my will be sorted out in due time, today's decisions being a step in the right direction in my opinion. Meanwhile though "outsiders" shouldn't get too full of themselves and also remember that they really don't have the moral high ground or authority to say "enough is enough".

  • Arif on March 10, 2010, 18:22 GMT

    I don't know why they didn't disclose the Yousuf's issue anyway let see how long the PCB stand on his decision. The people who like to see them might be they can play a big role to change those decisions. I wish to see these guys in a team specially khalid latif, hammad hasan, faisal iqbal, mohammad hafeez, aamir, nasir jamshed, shahzaib. Lets see whose gonna b lead the team & making place in playing XI.

  • Syed Adnan on March 10, 2010, 18:21 GMT

    I want to know who will fine PCB as it seems they are not faulty? We always have issue that First class manager never hire first class subordinate,wake up parlimentarians kick out Ejaz Butt . Need full surgery from top to bottom.

  • Venkat Ramamurthy on March 10, 2010, 18:14 GMT

    The only way Pakistani cricket fans can blame India for this one, is if Ijaz Butt turns out to be an Indian spy or something. Looks like the IPL owners' decision to not bid for their players turned out to be one of sound business after all.

  • Farooq Ahmed on March 10, 2010, 18:07 GMT

    yousaf and unas should play only test cricket if they are found in any disciplnary case they should bann but not for whole life just 1&2 years

  • M. Habib on March 10, 2010, 17:58 GMT

    What Samir Chopra has to do with internal affairs of Pakistni Cricket. We ban our players or bring them back. It is PCB's choice none of his business. Crickinfo has been biased and will remian biased till it is controlled by Indian mafia.

  • Mohammed Amdani on March 10, 2010, 17:57 GMT

    Somebody should remind Mr.Chopra about the times when Indian Cricket was at the bottom of the pit and Pakistan Cricket was on top. When the Indian team was afraid - yes afraid to play Pakistan and refused to play against Pakistan hiding behind political reasons. Remind Mr. Chopra of the times when the Indians refused to play in Sharjah because they kept losing to Pakistan year after year. Remind Mr. Chopra of the umpiring scandals of Indian umpires against all cricketing nations of the world. In fact "nuetral umpires" were introduced to the world because of them. Remind Mr. Chopra of the Indian Crickets black face in the cases of Amrnath, Azharuddin and Ganguli and the coach incidents. I am sure there are many other incidents of indescipline in Indian cricket the Mr. Chopra himself is awrare of. So please Mr.Chopra look at the mirror before you try to distort somebody else's image.

  • Sulman Ali Iqbal on March 10, 2010, 17:54 GMT

    Sir,

    With respect, I fail to see the point to your argument. Essentially, you make the assumption that the world outside of Pakistan cricket indulges the PCB's(admittedly many) vices.

    I am forced to disagree; the FTP being a case in point. Combined with the dearth of cricket within Pakistan's own borders there is little comfort to be found in terms of multi-lateral support from the other cricketing nations. Sir, with this taken into account, I fail to see what harsher policy the other cricketing boards could adopt save for an outright boycott on the nation; consequently, I fail to see what solution you propose to the problem from the perspective of the other boards.

    Sir, I believe that whilst rants such as these are therapeutic in venting one's frustration with the board (many a fan can sympathise) I believe that we should instead focus on realistic solutions to the problem; the Treaty of Versailles perpetuated Germany's problems, the same will ensue if we adopt your proposals.

  • Faisal Sami Qadir on March 10, 2010, 17:44 GMT

    Well samir, I dont know wats ur motive writing dis... but i can sense some hatred spilling out of ur heart.. I mean why the hell r u arguing on Pakistan's internal matter when u r not a part of it. I agree, as a journalist u r supposed to comment on dis but writing it as Indian agent journalist just piss me off... i dont wanna indulge in stupid indo-pak fight and I totally am grieved about Pakistan's current situation but thts not the way to say when we r already mentally disturbed and u bring ur nonsense stuff complaining about our country... concentrate on ur dhoni's and sehwags's.... and just dont say anything to our country as we r not ur country's subsidiary or u r not the one who'll repair our problems

  • Mohsan Ali on March 10, 2010, 17:26 GMT

    They get fined for losing? And Yousuf gets banned for being a bad captain? Not only are the players lacking discipline but also the PCB. And what the heck did Younis do for being fined? For being in the team? Has the PCB lost it? Oh wait... they haven't been in their right minds for ages.

  • Raza Bashir on March 10, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    I don't know whats wrong with Samir Chopra. I dont see anyone helping out Pakistani board day in day out that he is complaining about its players. The non cooperative boards have been non cooperative. the paranoia has persisted and the forfeits were turned into favorable results. So why is mr chopra sounding as if the world was laid down at pakistan cricket's feet due to this so called amused indulgence. Atleast we went and won a world cup for Pakistan instead of arranging our own league to play and win in.

  • K Moghal on March 10, 2010, 16:36 GMT

    What an absoloute load of rubbish this article is. Was it that long ago we had such amazing cricketers like Wasim, Waqar, Saeed + Inzi gracing our game. Before that we had Imran, Javed + co. The unpredictable brilliance of this team is a fact + should never be forgotten (did you watch the last 20-20 WC?), nor should the traumatic effect the PCB heirachy + existing political situation are having upon events. There is no excuse for recent results, but this is the time when the PCB and the team itself has to pull together. To ban players, fine them + dishonour them will only cause further divisions. But the PCB will never see this until it's too late.

    Cricket is the national sport in Pakistan, they need encouragement to rise from this sad state of affairs. They don't need articles like this.

  • Khalid on March 10, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    Steady on mate, I think half of what you say is utter rubbish, and the other half may have a degree of truth buried deep between the lines somewhere.

    As regards test match forfeits (in fact only one as I seem to recall) the blame for that was with the umpire - as I seem to remember Inzi was quite prepared to play on once he had made his point.

    As far as the failure of security as you so nicely put it, I doubt any country would be able to offer security when it was targetted by terrorists on a daily basis and to lay the blame for that at the door of the cricketing authorities is preposterous.

    Stick to what you know - and whatever that is, it isn't Pakistani cricket.

  • Ahmar Rashid on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    Simply outrageous, are the remarks of this extremely biased author. Even more troubling is the fact that cricinfo allowed this piece of writing to appear on its blogs site. This article severely undermines the neutrality of cricinfo. The comments are not just an attack to an ‘insensible decision’, which in fact it is; it is a baseless, rather an idiotic commentary on the affairs of Pakistani cricket. I would request cricinfo to remove this article from it website, at the minimum.

  • JP on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    I couldn't agree more. Samir, my congratulations to you on an excellent blog.

  • Hammad on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    I would agree with you a 100%.... I think being a Pakistani cricket fan it frustrates you even more when your living abroad and have to listen to these news from a person off another nationality as if they are trying to remind you about the way the things are run in our country.... which sounds very insulting but unfortunately it is the harsh reality which I think is part of a Pakistani cricket's nature, which needs to be provided thearpy.... I think the healing process would be better if firstly the realisation happened and then how to address the issue and confess to yourself that there is an issue rather than beating about the bush (which has been going on as mentioned in the above article) so lets hope this is a begining of a change in Pakistani cricket rather than another hap-hazard effort to give some face to another disastrous decision ......

  • Sirfcricket on March 10, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    Rather than admiring Pakistan's well-taken deciplinary decisions, you are criticizing all wrongly to ignite the situation. The quotes you gave about Pakistan Cricket's indesciplines like Inzamam's beating of a spectator (which was "indian"), doping scandals (which does not involve only Pakistanis), security problems (which is again not Pakistan Cricket's fault) and forfeiting of a match (which was clearly umpire's fault for which he was punished), all gives impression of your hatred towards Pakistan. I don't understand why on earth Cricinfo approves articles like this.

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany on March 10, 2010, 15:13 GMT

    The person who should be sacked and banned is no other tha the Chairman Ijaz Butt himself. He has handled the PCB unprofessionaly right from the start.

  • fawadfan on March 10, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    Dude, way to hit us when we're down.

  • Hamza Ahmed Mir on March 10, 2010, 15:00 GMT

    Agreed! Pakistan Cricket Board has never ever stick to Their own decisions..At least never in ma lifetime..

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  • Hamza Ahmed Mir on March 10, 2010, 15:00 GMT

    Agreed! Pakistan Cricket Board has never ever stick to Their own decisions..At least never in ma lifetime..

  • fawadfan on March 10, 2010, 15:11 GMT

    Dude, way to hit us when we're down.

  • Dr. Asad Sadick, Germany on March 10, 2010, 15:13 GMT

    The person who should be sacked and banned is no other tha the Chairman Ijaz Butt himself. He has handled the PCB unprofessionaly right from the start.

  • Sirfcricket on March 10, 2010, 15:19 GMT

    Rather than admiring Pakistan's well-taken deciplinary decisions, you are criticizing all wrongly to ignite the situation. The quotes you gave about Pakistan Cricket's indesciplines like Inzamam's beating of a spectator (which was "indian"), doping scandals (which does not involve only Pakistanis), security problems (which is again not Pakistan Cricket's fault) and forfeiting of a match (which was clearly umpire's fault for which he was punished), all gives impression of your hatred towards Pakistan. I don't understand why on earth Cricinfo approves articles like this.

  • Hammad on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    I would agree with you a 100%.... I think being a Pakistani cricket fan it frustrates you even more when your living abroad and have to listen to these news from a person off another nationality as if they are trying to remind you about the way the things are run in our country.... which sounds very insulting but unfortunately it is the harsh reality which I think is part of a Pakistani cricket's nature, which needs to be provided thearpy.... I think the healing process would be better if firstly the realisation happened and then how to address the issue and confess to yourself that there is an issue rather than beating about the bush (which has been going on as mentioned in the above article) so lets hope this is a begining of a change in Pakistani cricket rather than another hap-hazard effort to give some face to another disastrous decision ......

  • JP on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    I couldn't agree more. Samir, my congratulations to you on an excellent blog.

  • Ahmar Rashid on March 10, 2010, 15:27 GMT

    Simply outrageous, are the remarks of this extremely biased author. Even more troubling is the fact that cricinfo allowed this piece of writing to appear on its blogs site. This article severely undermines the neutrality of cricinfo. The comments are not just an attack to an ‘insensible decision’, which in fact it is; it is a baseless, rather an idiotic commentary on the affairs of Pakistani cricket. I would request cricinfo to remove this article from it website, at the minimum.

  • Khalid on March 10, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    Steady on mate, I think half of what you say is utter rubbish, and the other half may have a degree of truth buried deep between the lines somewhere.

    As regards test match forfeits (in fact only one as I seem to recall) the blame for that was with the umpire - as I seem to remember Inzi was quite prepared to play on once he had made his point.

    As far as the failure of security as you so nicely put it, I doubt any country would be able to offer security when it was targetted by terrorists on a daily basis and to lay the blame for that at the door of the cricketing authorities is preposterous.

    Stick to what you know - and whatever that is, it isn't Pakistani cricket.

  • K Moghal on March 10, 2010, 16:36 GMT

    What an absoloute load of rubbish this article is. Was it that long ago we had such amazing cricketers like Wasim, Waqar, Saeed + Inzi gracing our game. Before that we had Imran, Javed + co. The unpredictable brilliance of this team is a fact + should never be forgotten (did you watch the last 20-20 WC?), nor should the traumatic effect the PCB heirachy + existing political situation are having upon events. There is no excuse for recent results, but this is the time when the PCB and the team itself has to pull together. To ban players, fine them + dishonour them will only cause further divisions. But the PCB will never see this until it's too late.

    Cricket is the national sport in Pakistan, they need encouragement to rise from this sad state of affairs. They don't need articles like this.

  • Raza Bashir on March 10, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    I don't know whats wrong with Samir Chopra. I dont see anyone helping out Pakistani board day in day out that he is complaining about its players. The non cooperative boards have been non cooperative. the paranoia has persisted and the forfeits were turned into favorable results. So why is mr chopra sounding as if the world was laid down at pakistan cricket's feet due to this so called amused indulgence. Atleast we went and won a world cup for Pakistan instead of arranging our own league to play and win in.