West Indies in England 2012 May 27, 2012

Shillingford's handy, Narine's magic

Shane Shillingford is bowling for the West Indies in this Test .
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Shane Shillingford is bowling for the West Indies in this Test.

Shillingford has that same pushing-back-at-an-imaginary-person-trying-to-hug-him that Harbhajan Singh does. He gets good bounce. Has a first-class bowling average of 25. Experience over many years of cricket. Has a ten-wicket haul in Test Cricket. Will one day have a stand named after him.

He’s not Sunil Narine.

Sunil Narine has never played a Test, but will probably make more money out of cricket over the previous few weeks than Shillingford ever will. Right now more people are clicking on Narine’s ESPNcricinfo profile, the one that shows his Mohawk well as he smiles cheekily, than have probably ever looked up Shillingford’s profile (which is him looking rather uncomfortable and like he was taken by surprise).

Shillingford was overlooked for the first Test for a debutante; there is not an attack in world cricket that would overlook Sunil Narine right now.

Shillingford is a workhorse, there’s no magic, mystery or mayhem about him. That doesn’t mean he isn’t good. But he’s good as in handy, not good as in Narine.

Narine has tricks that Shillingford will be able to talk about, but probably never replicate. But it isn’t just the tricks that Narine has, his magical mystery ball is amazing, but his normal offspinning delivery is at the moment the best spinning stock ball in world cricket. It bites, and bounces. And even when his carom ball (which if you can pick it, does very little at all) does get worked out, Narine will still be world class.

The best spin bowlers use tricks to confuse batsman who can’t pick it from the hand and embarrass the tail, but it’s the stock ball that you need if you want to be a Warne, Murali or Kumble. Narine is a long way from joining this company, and while his stock ball is far better than that of the last mystery phenom, Mendis, once people pick your trick ball, that’s when it really gets tough for bowlers.

Shillingford’s stock ball is okay. It’s certainly not horrible, and when he’s on a helpful surface he can bowl for an amazing amount of hours and take quite a few wickets. On a surface like this, against a team who is willing to attack him, he looks a bit out of his depth.

In this Test so far, Shillingford is going at 4.7 an over. In the 2012 IPL so far, Narine has so far gone for 5.2 an over.

Today Narine will be watched by close to a billion people, Shillingford by only million or so. One playing for his country. One playing for his financial future.

I hope Narine plays a blinder for Kolkata Knight Riders, wins the IPL and sets up his entire future in one night. But more than that I hope as soon as humanly possible he plays for his region in a Test match.

West Indies have more than a few well-meaning workhorses who are helping them put in slightly improved performances, now they need some magic. And right now, that’s Narine.

Jarrod Kimber is 50% of the Two Chucks, and the mind responsible for cricketwithballs.com

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  • Peter on June 1, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    Cricket is not boxing,management has to start treat players properly.

  • Speng on June 1, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    I hope Narine does well but it will be a tough ask because WI spinners haven't had much luck getting onto the WI team consistently in the last 30 years despite routinely dominating the top of the wicket tables in regional cricket. Some of this is due to WI batsmen usually being hopeless against spin so the spinners get more wickets than they would in other countries. In more recent times WI pitches have become more spin friendly (or less pace friendly?) but to some extent this is a matter of perception as the number of grounds international cricket is played on the WI has grown from Sabina, Kensington, Bourda, Queen's Park to include more pitches in the smaller islands so there is more variety in the pitches. It's likely that English pitches won't be as spin friendly but in general the WI need to make developing and including spinners more of priority otherwise we will be leaving talent on the sidelines especially now that talented pacers aren't as thick on the ground as they once were

  • jay on June 1, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    Firstly, let me make it clear that's it's totally unfair to make a FAIR comparism between Shane and Narine. Things which stand out about Shane is his consistency and control over long periods and is very eFfective with his top spinners/ doorsa. On the other hand, Narine has his stock ball which is similar to the popular "carrom" ball from Ashwin jus that he uses two fingers to push the ball foward. However I believe Shane has more deliveries in his armery but is kinda reluctant to bring them out because of his unfortunate illegal action allegations,comments and observations . Let's wait to see Narime on the test level against the big batsmen with no time and run rate constraints, then we'll be in a better position to compare.

  • akshay on June 1, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    about NARAINE calm bloke...with lots of variations, a natural talent. But giving him chance in the test is pretty contentious with him being played only six f c matches and for those people( specifically non-indians) who think IPL is a waste of time and means nothing to them.....well it has groomed many players not domestic but international e.g nannes, warner, pollard and now naraine. playing in front thousands of people is immense pressure and sheer test of mental strength. If u can't accept IPL don't lambast it atleast!!

  • Tim on June 1, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    I am glad that the hype has been spotted here. The IPL is not proper cricket and was not designed to be. Therefore prediction of someone's Test potential based on 24 balls bowled under lights in an Indian stadium with everyone on the boundary is like listening to someone sing in the shower and say: "That bloke would be good at La Scala."

    He may well cause an Ian Bell a few difficulties. He may well be a useful ONE DAY bowler. But don't count on Test success. I remember reading that Yuvraj Singh was a great player on this site. He had a great tour of England, didn't he? The short ball - ie. one not bowled at his bat - made him look like the overpaid pub slogger he must always have been. A few smears at the IPL that come off do NOT make you great.

    GREAT is: Kallis, Dravid etc

  • Anonymous on May 31, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    Poor John Duchaussee of Trinidad. Completely devoid of logic. Sunil Narine was playing in the regional T20 series when he was bought by KKR. He was THEN selected for the ODIs and T20s against Australia. He played in regional tournaments and Champions League last year and was overlooked for everything by WICB, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, India again. He wasn't overlooked by the teams that were bidding for him in the IPL auction though.

  • The Crow on May 31, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Now that he has been included in the side is great. But what happens if he doesn't produce? Many have shown signs of greatness but only flitting.

    What WI need is not a one-off side show but consistency with our talented players. We need our talented players to develop (and to have) mental toughness.

    Hope for the best in the final match!!! Go Windies

  • Anonymous on May 30, 2012, 20:28 GMT

    personaly i would prefer if west indies cricket was disbanded, simply because it does not have the same role as it did when comming into existance. we might remeber balck men making a staement of protest throught sport in the caribbean as it was done in india, but unlike india the caribbean is made of different islands that have different cultures, languages, goals and desires, with the vast diversity it is improbable that the single unifying entity be a sport embroiled in controversy that is generated as a result of contradictory views that has nothing to do with cricket, disband west indies cricket let each island stand alone as we do in each other sport, this may sound rediculous to most but there is no more need for west indies cricket.

  • Lee Hops on May 30, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    More and more, Wist Indies Cricket is being placed in greater and greater dilemma. When will it ever come to an end? As long as every friend, and every territory clamors' for their own, it will be to the detriment of the Game of cricket in the Caribbean. For years now, Craft and Holding and few other commentators have done much damage to our cricketers. "Post your comments" column, is not being used properly and in the interest of the sport and is causing problems too.. Why not post a good advice always and in a gentle and constructive way. When you take out the Barbadian or St. Lician and put a Trinidadian, Jamaican at the top, it is not going to solve W.I cricket problem. Because of the money in Cricket today, players have one foot in and one out: Ipl verses country. Not much difference in players performance in regional competitions! They fail today and do well tomorrow. Buy cricketers, pick different teams and let them compete in the region. Much better! Why not try it!

  • John Duchaussee on May 30, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    It is very sad that people are allowed to make comments unchallenged on this site. Most often they are clueless and do not read enough to keep in touch with current events. A frequent comment here is that The West Indies selectors only heard of Narine when he was picked up by the KKR. I wish to inform all readers that Sunil Narine left the West Indies team after the ODI series but before the Test series started vs Australia so that he could play in the IPL.

  • Peter on June 1, 2012, 19:50 GMT

    Cricket is not boxing,management has to start treat players properly.

  • Speng on June 1, 2012, 15:17 GMT

    I hope Narine does well but it will be a tough ask because WI spinners haven't had much luck getting onto the WI team consistently in the last 30 years despite routinely dominating the top of the wicket tables in regional cricket. Some of this is due to WI batsmen usually being hopeless against spin so the spinners get more wickets than they would in other countries. In more recent times WI pitches have become more spin friendly (or less pace friendly?) but to some extent this is a matter of perception as the number of grounds international cricket is played on the WI has grown from Sabina, Kensington, Bourda, Queen's Park to include more pitches in the smaller islands so there is more variety in the pitches. It's likely that English pitches won't be as spin friendly but in general the WI need to make developing and including spinners more of priority otherwise we will be leaving talent on the sidelines especially now that talented pacers aren't as thick on the ground as they once were

  • jay on June 1, 2012, 14:47 GMT

    Firstly, let me make it clear that's it's totally unfair to make a FAIR comparism between Shane and Narine. Things which stand out about Shane is his consistency and control over long periods and is very eFfective with his top spinners/ doorsa. On the other hand, Narine has his stock ball which is similar to the popular "carrom" ball from Ashwin jus that he uses two fingers to push the ball foward. However I believe Shane has more deliveries in his armery but is kinda reluctant to bring them out because of his unfortunate illegal action allegations,comments and observations . Let's wait to see Narime on the test level against the big batsmen with no time and run rate constraints, then we'll be in a better position to compare.

  • akshay on June 1, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    about NARAINE calm bloke...with lots of variations, a natural talent. But giving him chance in the test is pretty contentious with him being played only six f c matches and for those people( specifically non-indians) who think IPL is a waste of time and means nothing to them.....well it has groomed many players not domestic but international e.g nannes, warner, pollard and now naraine. playing in front thousands of people is immense pressure and sheer test of mental strength. If u can't accept IPL don't lambast it atleast!!

  • Tim on June 1, 2012, 6:08 GMT

    I am glad that the hype has been spotted here. The IPL is not proper cricket and was not designed to be. Therefore prediction of someone's Test potential based on 24 balls bowled under lights in an Indian stadium with everyone on the boundary is like listening to someone sing in the shower and say: "That bloke would be good at La Scala."

    He may well cause an Ian Bell a few difficulties. He may well be a useful ONE DAY bowler. But don't count on Test success. I remember reading that Yuvraj Singh was a great player on this site. He had a great tour of England, didn't he? The short ball - ie. one not bowled at his bat - made him look like the overpaid pub slogger he must always have been. A few smears at the IPL that come off do NOT make you great.

    GREAT is: Kallis, Dravid etc

  • Anonymous on May 31, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    Poor John Duchaussee of Trinidad. Completely devoid of logic. Sunil Narine was playing in the regional T20 series when he was bought by KKR. He was THEN selected for the ODIs and T20s against Australia. He played in regional tournaments and Champions League last year and was overlooked for everything by WICB, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, India again. He wasn't overlooked by the teams that were bidding for him in the IPL auction though.

  • The Crow on May 31, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Now that he has been included in the side is great. But what happens if he doesn't produce? Many have shown signs of greatness but only flitting.

    What WI need is not a one-off side show but consistency with our talented players. We need our talented players to develop (and to have) mental toughness.

    Hope for the best in the final match!!! Go Windies

  • Anonymous on May 30, 2012, 20:28 GMT

    personaly i would prefer if west indies cricket was disbanded, simply because it does not have the same role as it did when comming into existance. we might remeber balck men making a staement of protest throught sport in the caribbean as it was done in india, but unlike india the caribbean is made of different islands that have different cultures, languages, goals and desires, with the vast diversity it is improbable that the single unifying entity be a sport embroiled in controversy that is generated as a result of contradictory views that has nothing to do with cricket, disband west indies cricket let each island stand alone as we do in each other sport, this may sound rediculous to most but there is no more need for west indies cricket.

  • Lee Hops on May 30, 2012, 20:04 GMT

    More and more, Wist Indies Cricket is being placed in greater and greater dilemma. When will it ever come to an end? As long as every friend, and every territory clamors' for their own, it will be to the detriment of the Game of cricket in the Caribbean. For years now, Craft and Holding and few other commentators have done much damage to our cricketers. "Post your comments" column, is not being used properly and in the interest of the sport and is causing problems too.. Why not post a good advice always and in a gentle and constructive way. When you take out the Barbadian or St. Lician and put a Trinidadian, Jamaican at the top, it is not going to solve W.I cricket problem. Because of the money in Cricket today, players have one foot in and one out: Ipl verses country. Not much difference in players performance in regional competitions! They fail today and do well tomorrow. Buy cricketers, pick different teams and let them compete in the region. Much better! Why not try it!

  • John Duchaussee on May 30, 2012, 19:56 GMT

    It is very sad that people are allowed to make comments unchallenged on this site. Most often they are clueless and do not read enough to keep in touch with current events. A frequent comment here is that The West Indies selectors only heard of Narine when he was picked up by the KKR. I wish to inform all readers that Sunil Narine left the West Indies team after the ODI series but before the Test series started vs Australia so that he could play in the IPL.

  • david on May 29, 2012, 9:06 GMT

    The elephant in the room: For "mystery" so often read "dodgy-action-but-for-diplomatic-reasons-authorities-let-it-pass". Can someone tell me how Narine is in this regard?

  • sherrymalick on May 29, 2012, 6:14 GMT

    i think its to early to match narine with great bowlers like murali swane and ajmal .i think ajmal is best bowler in the world right now .i all formats he is on top.

  • mike on May 29, 2012, 2:45 GMT

    Mr Richard, u dont kno your cricket if Clarke could have taken 5 wks on dat pitch wat u expect a spin bowler 2 do?, narine needs 2 b in the WI team ASAP. The guy has skkill and class and of present he would bamboozle any batsman,diid u see in the IPL how he made Tendulker look stupid? im not sayin he is or will be the best in da world, but of now he is so lets shopw him off!!

  • Raihan Mahmud on May 28, 2012, 22:31 GMT

    Sunil Narine is mysterious bowler like Mendis, once all batsman will read his bowling, he will have to face real challenge. I think he is also clever bowler, WI selectors should pick his in test series.

  • chano mangat on May 28, 2012, 21:32 GMT

    Sunil Narine is good spinner at present,its not his fault he is not playing for his country ,because his country overlooked him.at his age he was offered a world stage to ply his trade as well good money to do so.If however the selectors took any interest in watching the IPL; I am sure they would have the guys they have rejected playing good cricket,I am sure they must have felt as though they have got almighty slap on their faces.If anyone of you blaggers were in his shoe I am sure you have done same,the money,respect and recognition he got,never in million years would he have ever got it playing for his country,so its his gain;and the WICB loss.Good on him may he have long & sucessful career with IPL.

  • Shirvan on May 28, 2012, 17:29 GMT

    So many comments have been made about Narines's performances being in conditions that suited him. in the IPL there were world class bowlers from all over the world and none performed as well as Narine did. PLEASE, there is no hype. The guy is good. Please ask the players who faced him in the IPL...

  • Richard on May 28, 2012, 16:28 GMT

    To have a guy who's played a handful FC matches and played in a meaningless overhyped T20 tournament to be now called the "saviour" of the West Indies is quote frankly ridiculous. A talent? Sure of course. Now let's see him repeat these performances for T&T over 4 days rather a 20 over smash and grab. Then we'll see if he can cut it in Tests.

  • Jim on May 28, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    I think you people should read the article before ofering comments. Where in the article did you see anything about replacing Swann? The guy merely said "there is not an attack in world cricket that would overlook Sunil Narine right now." and even you cannot deny that. have you ever heard of the phrase "spin twins". this tactic is applied when necessary. "Frustrated Fan" your politics is affecting your brain (if there is any) and your eyesight. The Chairman of selectors is a Guyanese and one of the other 2 is a Jamaican so stop being so primitive. There is an old saying "if you have nothing to say, say nothing". We just had a guy taking 45 wickets in the last season but he is forgotten because people decided they could spit at him and he reacted (I was there). He wasn't supposed to do that. He took 8 in the same match in which Jerome Taylor destroyed England but he may not be selected again because he is one of the "Big 4" who were dealt with after the World Cup.

  • tss on May 28, 2012, 15:30 GMT

    i have not seen an exciting spinner in recent years, south african adams was difficult to read because of is frog like action, after warne n murali i m certain narine succeed everyere.

  • Lalit Bhatt on May 28, 2012, 15:24 GMT

    sunil narine has a potential bowling bt it would be onteresting to watch if he can have a variation in his bowling after all the batsman starts to read his mystery balls as like ajantha mendis,,,bt this T20 world cup can surely go towards WI if players like gayle,bravo,narine,smith,pollard get their chance to play..will be great to watch playing all big players together...

  • Anonymous on May 28, 2012, 15:05 GMT

    Come on...you think Australia would pick a player based on IPL performance only? We are in the technology age, batsmen and bowlers are worked out over time. I'm a Trinbagonian and would love to see Narine succeed but I've seen a string of 'prospects' thrown out in the deep and destroyed; Xavier Marshal,

  • Ace on May 28, 2012, 14:44 GMT

    False. You're lacking understanding of spin bowling. First, "It isn’t just the tricks that Narine has, his magical mystery ball is amazing, but...", It IS just the tricks, or trick to be specific, that makes him a special bowler (yet). Second, "His normal offspinning delivery is at the moment the best spinning stock ball in world cricket." No. The reason it has caused any problems at all is due the batsmen often playing for the other turn. Lastly, "And even when his carom ball (which if you can pick it, does very little at all) does get worked out, Narine will still be world class," Dead wrong, he'll be all over the place if his knuckle ball gets sorted out like Ashwin or Mendis. Whether he becomes world class or not depends on just one factor, his knuckle ball, to remain ever mysterious and unreadable as Saeed Ajmal's Doosra. We'll have to see how that plays out.

  • Ibrahim on May 28, 2012, 14:38 GMT

    It's a shame that a test cricketer is getting paid less than a player who is playing in some fixed league. I'm positive that narine won't be able to find a place in pakistan's squad, let alone being in the playing XI. Don't get me wrong he looks good but to give him such a push so early is plain stupid. Just because he performed in the ipl doesn't mean that he's a good bowler. He has played only 6 fc matches and you're calling him world class?

  • Richard on May 28, 2012, 10:49 GMT

    Shillingford recently took 10 wickets against Australia in a "real cricket match". Narine has played only 6 first class matches. Arguement over.

  • Alan Edgar on May 28, 2012, 10:37 GMT

    "there is not an attack in world cricket that would overlook Sunil Narine right now."

    I don't think he'd be replacing Graeme Swann at Trent Bridge if he was English - he's only played 6 FC matches.

    Very promising though.

  • Mahesh on May 28, 2012, 10:03 GMT

    Thats a lovely story Mr. Kimber... Awesome... If Narine see this he would feel sorry for himself choosing IPL than WI test career. One request Mr. Timber, can you spend you Cricket 'sadist' hour on on Pietersons, Trotts, Morgans, Kieswitters etc and the other countries lost due ambitious reasons to play for England. I just wonder when they have passion for England or Cricket or Money. Are these above than their homeland?

  • haganino on May 28, 2012, 10:00 GMT

    "his normal offspinning delivery is at the moment the best spinning stock ball in world cricket"

    seriously???? just because he was in IPL he now is better than Swann and Azmal? funny. Better than Azmal? Who tormented English batting line up in 3 test matches in a row?

    it's easier to get wickets in T20. Even Rajat Bhatia can do that. Let's see what Narine can do in Test matches and then talk.

  • Todd Johnson on May 28, 2012, 9:58 GMT

    Yeah the IPL is wonderful for world cricket - a very positive impact on the global game.... In Australia there is next to zero interest in the IPL yet this tournament is defining the International game. I'm not sure if that is the case in other countries but that is fact here. Performances are not tracked and success/failure is not noticed. In short no one cares.

    I think its crazy/short term-ism that this is allowed to occur. In 25 years people may have an interest in cricket but i can't see people fall in love with and be "rusted on" supporters of a T20 centric cricket world. Same as 50 over cricket now dying off, people don't fall in love with it, they enjoy it for what it is and then change the channel and watch something else and quickly forget the result.

  • KB on May 28, 2012, 9:00 GMT

    Narine's made the best batsmen in the world look like jokers. Met with a certain KKR player during their last match at the Eden, and asked him, "What's with this Narine chap?" He responded, "Thank **** he's playing for us (KKR)." And this batsman was no joker! What a wonderful talent! Can't wait to see him in whites for the Windies! (On a second thought, India should give him a passport, if the WICB keeps acting like a bunch of *******!)

  • Rahul on May 28, 2012, 8:33 GMT

    Agreed Sunil Narine is at the top early in his cricketing career and has ample variety, control and craft to bamboozle the best in the business. But and it is a a big BUT, he is in early stages of his international career. Coaches and batsmen around the world will be studying him closely and good quality international batsmen will be playing him regularly in the middle soon. It is a massive challenge to survive in international cricket for mystery spinner just ask Ajantha Mendis. And those who saw IPL final he wasnt the same under pressure when attacked from the on set in big pressure game. Also few might have noticed he isnt as effective bowling to left handers. Agreed he was confronted with the class of Hussey and aggression of Raina in T20 match on a flat pitch but he wasnt the same against them as he was against right handers..still early days. We need to be careful in building him up. He needs to play long and endure the challenges of international cricket.

  • mohd moniruzzaman on May 28, 2012, 8:11 GMT

    This is rightly written article. Now people of cricket lovers like to watch Narine. Before coming to IPl, he was little known to people of cricket lovers. Now, he is treated as the magician of off spin bowling. His mysterious bowling was sufficiently suffered the world class batsman. I do not know WI overlooked him, even at the age of 23 years. WI have no abundance of spin option, so without delay they should invite him in England for 3rd test. The choice of WI lineup also mysterious, they are not valued the right players rather very flexible in their selectors choice. We love WI cricket and like to see again WI dominate the World Cricket. Good luck Narine and good luck WI too.

  • Raj on May 28, 2012, 8:06 GMT

    You forgot to mention that the IPL has ruined World Cricket,and that the lure of money has made cricketers choose Club over country.So what if Sunil Narine is a better bowler? Like the West Indies taught Chris Gayle a lesson, that he will not be selected,and NOW, Chris Gayle has come crawling.Let WICB make Dwayne Bravo,Kieron Pollard and Sunil Narine crawl.

  • Harvey on May 28, 2012, 6:31 GMT

    Narine is certainly an exciting prospect, but as yet an unproven one. He has only played six first class matches. Hick and Ramprakash are a couple of examples of players who did wonders in domestic cricket - Hick was useful in ODIs too - but couldn't do it at Test level. Don't get me wrong, I hope Narine does make it, but it's far too early to be talking about him as a saviour who is about to rescue West Indian cricket. Let him play a few Tests before judging whether he's even good enough to command a regular place!

  • heath on May 28, 2012, 5:51 GMT

    I don't understand. How does the guy have an IPL contract when he's barely played any cricket??

  • jobee on May 28, 2012, 5:21 GMT

    The way Sunil Narine has bowled at the IPL should really set the WICB on fire.

    It's sad the the WICB is continually ignoring the likes of Chris Gayle, Dwane Bravo and several promising West Indian Cricketers.

    It is high time that stalwarts like Sir Garfied Sobers, Rohan Kanhai, Conrad Hunte , Joe Solomon , Lance Gibbs, Vivian Richards and several other West Indian cricketers of the 1970's and 1980's got together and reform the WICB and reinvent the Windies winning ways.

    Actually the Windies are no 1 in the world if only the team is selected on pure merit ! They will excel in all 3 formats of the game

    Thanks for listen to us .

    Joe Britto

  • "CELLASSI" on May 28, 2012, 4:27 GMT

    Narine is the best spin bowler I have seen in recent times so I would like the WICB to get him into the test team as quickly as possible before he turn to some other sport lol. Wise up WICB its been too long West Indies has been going down hill ever since C.H. Lloyd retired & no one knows what the board has done with the great fitness trainer Dennis Waite. Every coach since then with the exception of Khanai are just dibby dibby

  • CELLASSI on May 28, 2012, 4:09 GMT

    I think this chap Narine is fast becoming a great spin bowler & WICB should stop joking around & get him in the test team as of right now

  • Jim on May 28, 2012, 2:03 GMT

    If the IPL is the measure of cricket then we might as well all give up and go home now.

    Definitely take your point, as do all West Indian cricket fans.

    The IPL is a lowest common demoninator, money, gambling and a TV friendly format. I've never heard of Narine before this article and it seems like I never will.

    Oh well, on with the Test cricket. Fortunately the viewing habits of Indians don't keep me awake at night.

  • Kurt on May 28, 2012, 1:13 GMT

    Hate that article! Shane is in England... Where is Narine? Blame the WICB

  • landl47 on May 28, 2012, 0:59 GMT

    Sorry, but this is a ridiculous piece of over-hyping of a promising young cricketer. Narine hasn't played a test yet and only 6 first-class matches. He's got a lot to learn (and bowling in the IPL isn't where he's going to learn it). I think he has every chance of becoming a good, even a great, bowler, but he's not there yet and test batsmen will work him out. Give him a chance to grow up before anointing him as the next Warne, Murali or Kumble.

  • Liam Fallon on May 28, 2012, 0:05 GMT

    Absolutely impossible to claim a bowler "will" be world class, especially as he has never even bowled a ball in test cricket. World class in T20 is a very, very different prospect to the same in five day cricket. Not that I don't think he's an exciting prospect, but it's important to remember that in test cricket, he is just a prospect so far.

  • turan on May 27, 2012, 23:53 GMT

    True, but the selectors have to pick Narine first!

  • Anonymous on May 27, 2012, 23:31 GMT

    currently wi could pick an (11)from the players in the ipl and have a winning squad that would propel them to a top (5) side in the icc ratings.

  • Frustrated Fan on May 27, 2012, 23:11 GMT

    West Indies cricket bosses have 2 issues (among many) that will mitigate against Narine. 1. He is Trinidadian while the WICB is dominated by small Islanders who have been blanking Jamaicans, Guyanese and Trinis. 2.He is an Indian and there seems to be an unofficial quota of the number of them that can be in the team.This is why Deonarine is twiddling his thumbs while Powell and Edwards keep on failing. Maybe they will drop Ramdin (he deserves to be dropped, anyway) to make space for Narine.

  • DoubleS on May 27, 2012, 22:58 GMT

    Narine will be a world beater but the west indies will need much more than a mystery spinner to turn their fortunes around at the moment....

  • Andyzaltzmannshair on May 27, 2012, 22:32 GMT

    Yaaaaaawn.Narine is no Ajmal. His "mystery" ball will be decoded and then he'll become Mendis or Ashwin.

  • AsankaG on May 27, 2012, 22:32 GMT

    To be fair, Shillingford's got a great doosra.

  • Lutaf Virani on May 27, 2012, 21:58 GMT

    Westindies cricket board ,how on earth did they FORGET to include Sunil Narine who is at the present their best bowler.Just think how he would have mesmerised english batsman.Its time for selectors to wake up.

  • PDTM on May 27, 2012, 21:56 GMT

    Horror batting season in the Windies, where spinners did very well. Not Narine. Narine took his bowling average in first class cricket BELOW 12. That makes Vernon Philander look like a club cricketer with a boring haircut.

  • Anonymous on May 27, 2012, 20:43 GMT

    Well said, Not impress with Mr shillingford, Benn or Miller should be playing but they not from St Lucia

  • Sean M on May 27, 2012, 20:28 GMT

    Quite right. When will Narine finally make his Test debut? He could rescue West Indies. much as Murali did for Sri Lanka. No-one can pick him and he can bat adequately given time. In this day and age does he have the commitment (he is a legend in making above Ajantha). One of my favourite cricketers. Sean M.

  • Vishy on May 27, 2012, 20:07 GMT

    Nice article, Jarrod! Completely agree with you! Narine is definitely magic, and I hope the West Indian selectors get him in for the third test. He might prove a match winner.

  • Zorina Shah on May 27, 2012, 19:57 GMT

    The WICB is the one board in the world that would overlook Sunil Narine. The WICB never considered Sunil Narine until he was bought by KKR. The Chennai lads spoke of Sunil Narine after the Champions League. Trevor Bayliss had been told of Sunil Narine. Every territorial team in the Caribbean knew of Sunil Narine. But the WI selectors are still asleep

  • Anurag on May 27, 2012, 19:53 GMT

    Still looking for the like button, but not finding it, coming down here to say this is an awesome article. Nice way to compare the two with just that right level of dryness without committing either way, as most articles, whether humorous or not, usually tend to.

  • amor on May 27, 2012, 19:51 GMT

    Well said and yet the WICB does not see that. They are selecting a team to lose. So what if we lose again and we are, we have our own way though, no matter what you or any one say.

  • kiran on May 27, 2012, 19:32 GMT

    Well said and wholly agree. Narine didn't perform so well in the IPL final but, by God, he is the one who almost single-handedly dragged them into the final. I hope the WI selectors wake up quickly and pick him in the squad: he can be a real asset.

  • ramhance on May 27, 2012, 19:27 GMT

    Brilliantly contrasted. This is how it has been in many parts of the West Indies for a long time where Indians played magical cricket while the Africans were portrayed as magicians thus the unfair selection for three decades. The IPL will recognize these talented cricketers like Narine has been exposed to the world, and will force West Indies selectors to pick talent who has not only demonstrated they are capable but belong on the big stage. Powell, Edwards, (Kirk and Fidel)Sammy do not belong in the WI team

  • Blakey 29 on May 27, 2012, 18:49 GMT

    I do agree that Sunil Narine is a very good bowler and i can't wait to see him start playing test cricket for the West Indies. He will be a great asset to the team who is struggling badly. The top order need to be replace sooner rather than later, because the hard work from the bowler are again going to waste. There is more consistency needed from the top order..West indies keep loosing matches in one bad session.CG need a call up for the third test to add some experience up front, also Deonarine should be included in place of Kirk Edwards and that is also a plus for the bowling as well, Fudadin for Powel.

  • Jonathon J on May 27, 2012, 18:47 GMT

    Good article, until I did what you said and clicked on both players profile. Then my jaw literally dropped. Narine has a first class average of 11. 11! Need to see Narine come into the West Indian side.

  • ramhance on May 27, 2012, 18:24 GMT

    Brilliantly contrasted. The question I would have like you to answer is where has the Magic Man been all this time?

  • Dan on May 27, 2012, 17:28 GMT

    I guarantee if Narine ever plays Test cricket he will end up with a record like Laxman Sivaramakrishnan, Narendra Hirwani and Ajantha Mendis. He might, just might, have a couple of glorious games at the start before word gets around then he'll wind up with not very many wickets and a strike rate nudging 100. The geezer is a one day bowler, Test matches require different skills, he ain't got them and he will never play enough first class or Test cricket to acquire them.

  • Sudarshan Jayaram on May 27, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    4-0-37-0. Well....let's just say he was sorted out today!!

  • Shaf on May 27, 2012, 16:22 GMT

    and Gayle.. (sorry for the same old rambling on, but its hard as a Windies fan to sit in the sidelines and know that Christopher Gayle is doing the same, sitting in the sidelines that is)

  • Indrasis on May 27, 2012, 15:54 GMT

    Nice article. It's indeed painful to watch such talented cricketer has lost motivation to play for their country. So what is left in Cricket now and perhaps for the WI. Their Board is partially if not full responsible for such debacle. WI is currently playing with 9 players effectively (First 3 batsmen can be blindly considered as One). Gayle Sarwan's are playing for their own. Cricket is dying gradually. Who cares!!!! After all money is sweeter than Caribbean Honey.

  • Dion on May 27, 2012, 15:03 GMT

    I agree with you with the exception of Swann's stock ball, it's still the best of the bunch by a fair margin, especially with the drift.

  • James Collins on May 27, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Sunil Narine's country is Trinidad & Tobago. Playing in the IPL actually promotes his country in India, a major national economic objective at this time. The "West Indies" is only a convenient label for cricket purposes only. It has no other meaning in contemporary times.It never had any legal status even in the colonial era.

  • Sampath on May 27, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    Its amazing how, sometimes, good talents are never appreciated at the national levels. Your best spinner should be playing for the country!

  • Thomas on May 27, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    The assertion that Narine would get into any attack in the world is ridiculous. His minimal first-class experience has been in highly favourable conditions that nigh on every West-Indian spinner has been successful in. Indeed, another West Indian spinner, Nikita Miller, actually averaged less than Narine with the ball, with 16 more wickets. One must wonder what bowlers like Ajmal, Swann or even Tahir could achieve on such pitches. Moreover, the Kolkata pitch (on which Narine has played half of his IPL matches) also heavily favours spin bowling. Would Narine stand out as much playing the majority of his cricket on a batsman friendly surface like Bangalore? The less said about Narine having "the best spinning stock ball in world cricket" the better...

  • BrianC on May 27, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Well said! I can think of another "magician" that most sides would love to have playing for them. But the WI management think Chris Gayle is too much distraction from their vision. They're not ready to start winning.

  • Nelson on May 27, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    What you just wrote are facts and make perfect sense,but with the West Indies selectors and administrators that is perfect nonsense to them.There are talent in the West Indies but they are not spotted because of the inexperience Selectors we have on board headed by Clyde Butts. I have been calling for this guy Narine to play now for about a year now but these dumb selectors are hard to get through to. Thanks for your input,great observation.

  • Vishu on May 27, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    Very nice article. Spot on with your assessment of where the two guys stand. Looks like the Windiws have a pretty good spin tandem in the making.

  • Narine's Granny on May 27, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    Tank you Jarry for talking 'bout me boy Narine. He be de top bowler goin' in de world. He spin it with rice and pea and bowl for his Granny.

  • Pappu Singh on May 27, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    No doubt Narine is a good bowler and the batsmen haven't picked his knuckle ball yet. But doesn't mean that it will never be deciphered. And it is irrelevant to compare Shillingford and Narine, rather you could have stick on to a article just to praise Narine. I keep wonder what have you tried to summarize here. A mediocre article just to fill the space left out in between the columns.

  • Roger Gopaul on May 27, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    I agree totally with Kimber, the guys representing the WI right now are good fighters but not necessarily match winners, hopefully the WICB will show the resolve to pick Narine and other match winners ASAP, if not for the third test against England, hopefully for the New Zealand series and the T20 world cup.Can you imagine WI with, Galye and Simmions opening, followed by Dwayne Smith, Dwayne Bravo,Kerion Pollard, Marlon Samuels, Darren Sammy, Andre Russell, Kemar Roach and Sunil Narine with Ramdin as the Keeper, as good as any in the world I think, if only the WICB has the balls!

  • Andy Plowright on May 27, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    The Sunil Narine hype show continues apace.

    "There is not an attack in world cricket that would overlook Sunil Narine right now."

    You seriously think England would drop Graeme Swann for Narine? Get real.

    Narine is as yet untested in first-class cricket. His first-class average comes from playing on dreadful wickets in the West Indies, wickets that have hampered their seamers and led to all manner of spinners claiming wicket after wicket at a shockingly low rate. He certainly hasn't faced anything like the Trent Bridge wicket Shillingford is bowling on. Murali was rendered quite impotent in Australia; Mendis fell by the wayside; Narine is an unknown.

    I too hope Narine plays Tests and I hope he makes a real success of it, for it will be wonderful to see another high quality spinner on the world stage. Let's just leave the hype alone.

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  • Andy Plowright on May 27, 2012, 13:21 GMT

    The Sunil Narine hype show continues apace.

    "There is not an attack in world cricket that would overlook Sunil Narine right now."

    You seriously think England would drop Graeme Swann for Narine? Get real.

    Narine is as yet untested in first-class cricket. His first-class average comes from playing on dreadful wickets in the West Indies, wickets that have hampered their seamers and led to all manner of spinners claiming wicket after wicket at a shockingly low rate. He certainly hasn't faced anything like the Trent Bridge wicket Shillingford is bowling on. Murali was rendered quite impotent in Australia; Mendis fell by the wayside; Narine is an unknown.

    I too hope Narine plays Tests and I hope he makes a real success of it, for it will be wonderful to see another high quality spinner on the world stage. Let's just leave the hype alone.

  • Roger Gopaul on May 27, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    I agree totally with Kimber, the guys representing the WI right now are good fighters but not necessarily match winners, hopefully the WICB will show the resolve to pick Narine and other match winners ASAP, if not for the third test against England, hopefully for the New Zealand series and the T20 world cup.Can you imagine WI with, Galye and Simmions opening, followed by Dwayne Smith, Dwayne Bravo,Kerion Pollard, Marlon Samuels, Darren Sammy, Andre Russell, Kemar Roach and Sunil Narine with Ramdin as the Keeper, as good as any in the world I think, if only the WICB has the balls!

  • Pappu Singh on May 27, 2012, 13:28 GMT

    No doubt Narine is a good bowler and the batsmen haven't picked his knuckle ball yet. But doesn't mean that it will never be deciphered. And it is irrelevant to compare Shillingford and Narine, rather you could have stick on to a article just to praise Narine. I keep wonder what have you tried to summarize here. A mediocre article just to fill the space left out in between the columns.

  • Narine's Granny on May 27, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    Tank you Jarry for talking 'bout me boy Narine. He be de top bowler goin' in de world. He spin it with rice and pea and bowl for his Granny.

  • Vishu on May 27, 2012, 13:34 GMT

    Very nice article. Spot on with your assessment of where the two guys stand. Looks like the Windiws have a pretty good spin tandem in the making.

  • Nelson on May 27, 2012, 13:35 GMT

    What you just wrote are facts and make perfect sense,but with the West Indies selectors and administrators that is perfect nonsense to them.There are talent in the West Indies but they are not spotted because of the inexperience Selectors we have on board headed by Clyde Butts. I have been calling for this guy Narine to play now for about a year now but these dumb selectors are hard to get through to. Thanks for your input,great observation.

  • BrianC on May 27, 2012, 13:40 GMT

    Well said! I can think of another "magician" that most sides would love to have playing for them. But the WI management think Chris Gayle is too much distraction from their vision. They're not ready to start winning.

  • Thomas on May 27, 2012, 13:46 GMT

    The assertion that Narine would get into any attack in the world is ridiculous. His minimal first-class experience has been in highly favourable conditions that nigh on every West-Indian spinner has been successful in. Indeed, another West Indian spinner, Nikita Miller, actually averaged less than Narine with the ball, with 16 more wickets. One must wonder what bowlers like Ajmal, Swann or even Tahir could achieve on such pitches. Moreover, the Kolkata pitch (on which Narine has played half of his IPL matches) also heavily favours spin bowling. Would Narine stand out as much playing the majority of his cricket on a batsman friendly surface like Bangalore? The less said about Narine having "the best spinning stock ball in world cricket" the better...

  • Sampath on May 27, 2012, 14:21 GMT

    Its amazing how, sometimes, good talents are never appreciated at the national levels. Your best spinner should be playing for the country!

  • James Collins on May 27, 2012, 14:41 GMT

    Sunil Narine's country is Trinidad & Tobago. Playing in the IPL actually promotes his country in India, a major national economic objective at this time. The "West Indies" is only a convenient label for cricket purposes only. It has no other meaning in contemporary times.It never had any legal status even in the colonial era.