Champions League Twenty20 2010 May 28, 2010

Pakistan disappointed at Champions League exclusion

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The Pakistan board has expressed its disappointment at not having a domestic team invited to participate in the 2010 Champions League Twenty20 in South Africa. This appears to be a u-turn on an earlier stance it had taken, when in the aftermath of the IPL snub to Pakistan players, Ijaz Butt, the PCB chairman, had ruled out the participation of any Pakistan team in the Champions League. That, says the chairman however, was not what he had said at the time.

"Those comments of mine were about the IPL and our participation in that event and not at all about the Champions League," Butt told Cricinfo. "I had said our players would not be in the IPL because of what had happened at the auction. I did not say that our domestic teams would not go to the Champions League. Why would I deprive them of that opportunity? My comments were misinterpreted."

Nevertheless, the confusion means that Sialkot Stallions, Pakistan's domestic Twenty20 champions five years running now, will again miss out on the most lucrative global club tournament in cricket. Sialkot, which won the RBS Twenty20 in March this year, could potentially include Pakistan players such as Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Asif, Rana Naved-ul-Hasan, Abdur Rehman and Abdul Razzaq. They were invited to take part in what would have been the inaugural Champions League at the end of 2008 but the terror attacks on Mumbai in November that year forced a postponement to 2009. By that time, relations between India and Pakistan having deteriorated, no team was invited from Pakistan.

"Nobody has invited us this year and that is disappointing," Butt said. "We asked them about it and we received no reply at all. We will take up this issue with the ICC. After all, why are we being discriminated against like this? Clubs from so many other countries are invited and our Sialkot side has done so well over the last few years."

A Champions League official, however, told Cricinfo that no Pakistan team had been considered for the 2010 tournament after Butt's statements in February. "Mr Butt had formally announced and communicated in February that no Pakistani team would be permitted to compete in the 2010 CLT20, and as Mr Butt is the Chairman of the PCB, the Governing Council of CLT20 could not and did not consider any invitations to Pakistani teams," the official told Cricinfo. "Unfortunately, due to the announcement by Mr Butt, it is now clearly too late to even consider the addition of Pakistani teams to the 2010 CLT20."

Gerald Majola, chief executive of Cricket South Africa, one if the founding members of the Champions League, also said it was too late to include a Pakistan team. "I don't think the PCB approached us," he told Cricinfo. "If that was the case we would've known earlier. Unfortunately it too late now, things have been finalised so there can be no question of sending an invite."

However, whether or not the league was ever considering inviting a team from Pakistan is open to question. Another tournament official told Cricinfo that "the plan was always to invite the same make-up of teams as 2009, with the understanding that if English teams were unavailable, the field would be reduced to 10 teams.

"To my knowledge PCB made no approaches to be included in this year's CLT20," he said. "There won't be any late invitations issued. The match schedule is being drafted at the moment and venues being finalised, so we're advanced in our planning."

That means Shahid Afridi, who helped South Australia qualify, could be Pakistan's only representative in the tournament this time round, although his national responsibilities until September 22 makes his participation uncertain as well. The number of teams taking part was reduced to ten this year (from 12) after the ECB said its sides could not take part because of a clash of dates with the end of the English domestic season. Other than Bangladesh and England this year, teams from all Test-playing countries participate in the tournament. The tournament is run jointly by the cricket boards of Australia, India and South Africa.

Osman Samiuddin is Pakistan editor of Cricinfo

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  • on June 2, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    Pakistan is one of the finnest if not the finnest T20 teams around plus a former T20 Champion. I do not under stand why players of such class and talent are excluded. I fully support Pakistani domestic T20 team to be included in the champions league, I think they have erned it.

  • on June 1, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    Champions league is rubbish, nobody like that. That is like u r playing cricket without bat so Champions league teams are playing without Really Champions. Pakistanis are really T20 Champions. Pakistani team record is best 1st time they reached final, 2nd Champions and 3rd time in Semi Final. So that's why i think Pakistanis T20 players are one of the best players in the world

  • ROLAYH on May 31, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    CL management is giving an extremely lame excuse... Lets consider this simple example you are getting married and having a reception. Now will you be invite the participants, or participants will be sending you their aspiration to attend??? This looks like an agenda to deprive Pakistan exposure to International cricket. Did other teams participating in the event sent requests themselves? Certainly No, they were invited by CL...What Butt said is one thing, but CL is not professional and honest themselves... I request Cricket supporters to boycott this event for the sake of cricket... I think this tournament is against the very spirit of the cricket, against the spirit of the game....

  • Farhan-Sg on May 31, 2010, 6:52 GMT

    Simple fact: they dont want to lose!! They know that Pakistani T20 teams will kick some major butt and they are just sick of losing all their T20s to Pakistan. Lahore Badshahs won the ICL, the Pakistan team won the World T20 last year and the Faisalabad Wolves won the International 20:20 Club Championship back in 2005.

  • wajihIBA on May 30, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    I am a Pakistani and all of us bashing PCB and more importantly, PAKISTAN because of an incompetent chairman are not doing justice to the generations of world class players that Pakistan cricket has given to world cricket.

    Some points to ponder:

    1. Since the Indian government had distanced itself from any visa issues for Pakistani players during IPL 2010, the role of Mr. Modi is very questionable and Pakistanis had a right to feel hard done with by him. Fate has brought Modi to his knees and justice has been served.

    2. Butt should not have given even an informal statement regarding participation in CL at the time of whole IPL fiasco. That having been said, can the CLT20 organizers share any formal communication from the PCB to this effect? Will they really have treated Pakistan differently had Butt not made that statement?

    3. @ AditSingh: Get a life man. It's people like you sitting in the BCCI that mix politics with sports. What has PCB or players got to do with extremists dumbo?

  • pitch_curator on May 29, 2010, 16:52 GMT

    Looks like Ijaz Bhatt thinks international bodies run like PCB and Pakistan politics. This will teach him that when you are holding a formal position, you should not think and talk like a guy in a mob.

  • SangakaraFan on May 29, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    PCB is filled with incompetenant people. Today I read that they lifted ban on Shoiab Malik, reason being that his behavior has dramatically changed in last 3 months. What a joke..why go through the drama of banning 6 players and then reversing them in few days. That itself tells you the poor standard of PCB. The world is laughing at them. Cricket will be a better place without Pakis.

  • AleemLatif on May 29, 2010, 15:46 GMT

    This is nothing but Indian's showing their pathatic mentality and influencing on Australian and South African boards too .. to ignore Pakistani domestic teams. Well, everybody know that BCCI is the major fat cow for ICC so they always dictate their terms to the other boards. And now when the Indian Bannya mentality know that they are in dictating terms in world cricket due to their mass population milking good money for ICC, it was always on the cards that they would disadvantage Pakistanis in every possible way. I have no doubt that there are plenty of educated, sensible and more matured people in PCB to represent their cases with ICC and other cricket playing nations. PCB should play reverse diplomacy to get out of this scenario. Let Imran Khan lead PCB and see the change then, I recon.

  • aditsingh on May 29, 2010, 15:36 GMT

    its very simple why Pakistan is not invited. i am sorry to inform you Mr.Butt that your team or country is not facing discrimination but it faces a boycott. a boycott which should have come ages ago. this is a fair lesson for all who are extremists in nature. and sadly the price is been bared by those who are not. there is still time! use your resources to plough out and kill the extremist attitude & you will be invited by all with open arms.

  • on May 29, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    @abdul_faheem, Izaz Butt is brooding over split milk. He should learn a lesson or two with this exp. History said again & again and again FOLLOW THE POWERFUL TO SURVIVE. Just fall in line with Indian whims and wishes to help YOUR cash strapped PCB.

  • on June 2, 2010, 5:58 GMT

    Pakistan is one of the finnest if not the finnest T20 teams around plus a former T20 Champion. I do not under stand why players of such class and talent are excluded. I fully support Pakistani domestic T20 team to be included in the champions league, I think they have erned it.

  • on June 1, 2010, 10:47 GMT

    Champions league is rubbish, nobody like that. That is like u r playing cricket without bat so Champions league teams are playing without Really Champions. Pakistanis are really T20 Champions. Pakistani team record is best 1st time they reached final, 2nd Champions and 3rd time in Semi Final. So that's why i think Pakistanis T20 players are one of the best players in the world

  • ROLAYH on May 31, 2010, 7:11 GMT

    CL management is giving an extremely lame excuse... Lets consider this simple example you are getting married and having a reception. Now will you be invite the participants, or participants will be sending you their aspiration to attend??? This looks like an agenda to deprive Pakistan exposure to International cricket. Did other teams participating in the event sent requests themselves? Certainly No, they were invited by CL...What Butt said is one thing, but CL is not professional and honest themselves... I request Cricket supporters to boycott this event for the sake of cricket... I think this tournament is against the very spirit of the cricket, against the spirit of the game....

  • Farhan-Sg on May 31, 2010, 6:52 GMT

    Simple fact: they dont want to lose!! They know that Pakistani T20 teams will kick some major butt and they are just sick of losing all their T20s to Pakistan. Lahore Badshahs won the ICL, the Pakistan team won the World T20 last year and the Faisalabad Wolves won the International 20:20 Club Championship back in 2005.

  • wajihIBA on May 30, 2010, 9:23 GMT

    I am a Pakistani and all of us bashing PCB and more importantly, PAKISTAN because of an incompetent chairman are not doing justice to the generations of world class players that Pakistan cricket has given to world cricket.

    Some points to ponder:

    1. Since the Indian government had distanced itself from any visa issues for Pakistani players during IPL 2010, the role of Mr. Modi is very questionable and Pakistanis had a right to feel hard done with by him. Fate has brought Modi to his knees and justice has been served.

    2. Butt should not have given even an informal statement regarding participation in CL at the time of whole IPL fiasco. That having been said, can the CLT20 organizers share any formal communication from the PCB to this effect? Will they really have treated Pakistan differently had Butt not made that statement?

    3. @ AditSingh: Get a life man. It's people like you sitting in the BCCI that mix politics with sports. What has PCB or players got to do with extremists dumbo?

  • pitch_curator on May 29, 2010, 16:52 GMT

    Looks like Ijaz Bhatt thinks international bodies run like PCB and Pakistan politics. This will teach him that when you are holding a formal position, you should not think and talk like a guy in a mob.

  • SangakaraFan on May 29, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    PCB is filled with incompetenant people. Today I read that they lifted ban on Shoiab Malik, reason being that his behavior has dramatically changed in last 3 months. What a joke..why go through the drama of banning 6 players and then reversing them in few days. That itself tells you the poor standard of PCB. The world is laughing at them. Cricket will be a better place without Pakis.

  • AleemLatif on May 29, 2010, 15:46 GMT

    This is nothing but Indian's showing their pathatic mentality and influencing on Australian and South African boards too .. to ignore Pakistani domestic teams. Well, everybody know that BCCI is the major fat cow for ICC so they always dictate their terms to the other boards. And now when the Indian Bannya mentality know that they are in dictating terms in world cricket due to their mass population milking good money for ICC, it was always on the cards that they would disadvantage Pakistanis in every possible way. I have no doubt that there are plenty of educated, sensible and more matured people in PCB to represent their cases with ICC and other cricket playing nations. PCB should play reverse diplomacy to get out of this scenario. Let Imran Khan lead PCB and see the change then, I recon.

  • aditsingh on May 29, 2010, 15:36 GMT

    its very simple why Pakistan is not invited. i am sorry to inform you Mr.Butt that your team or country is not facing discrimination but it faces a boycott. a boycott which should have come ages ago. this is a fair lesson for all who are extremists in nature. and sadly the price is been bared by those who are not. there is still time! use your resources to plough out and kill the extremist attitude & you will be invited by all with open arms.

  • on May 29, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    @abdul_faheem, Izaz Butt is brooding over split milk. He should learn a lesson or two with this exp. History said again & again and again FOLLOW THE POWERFUL TO SURVIVE. Just fall in line with Indian whims and wishes to help YOUR cash strapped PCB.

  • on May 29, 2010, 12:48 GMT

    U can't compare international T20s to domestic T20s. SS can be the champions - also because there is no competition from the other teams..

  • Pakistani13 on May 29, 2010, 10:03 GMT

    Its disgraceful that a Pakistani team will not be a part of the CL second time running when the country holds the best record in T20 and Sialkot is 5 times champion of domestic T20 cricket and on the other hand, India has 3 participations; now that country has not won a single match in 6 super 6 games running and none of its top 3 could break into the semi finals of last CL. That in one word is "injustice", was PCB ever contacted again on the matter? Had the Governing Council wanted the tournament to be inclusive rather than discriminatory they would have send the invite or would have atleast asked for a written confirmation from PCB but they cared less. My message to PCB "Bring on the Pakistan Cricket League"

  • on May 29, 2010, 8:33 GMT

    DONT WORRY PAKISTANIS WE WILL ALWAYS SLAP ON ICC AD BCCI. IN LAST YEAR 2009 wht they did with us in IPL and we slapped on their face in the shape of becoming the champions. and this time gave tough time to Australia in semis even though without senior players.

    even BEST couple of IPL TEAMS THEY INCLUDED IN THE CHAMPIONS TROPHY HAHA WHT IPL GOT HAHA SO SHAME BUT OUR SIALKOT ELEVEN are proving from last five years that they are the best in the world.

    BUT IT IS PROVE WITHOUT PAKISTAN ICC IS NOTHING. even in any event if Pakistan will not participate its gonna be fail. Thanks ABDUL

  • on May 29, 2010, 4:30 GMT

    Its about time for Mr Butt to play with his Grandson and not with the future of Pakistan cricket. He could be ( Arguably) the main reason why we wont see any Pakistani team in CLT. BUT I also blame officials of CL for this. How supportive the world of cricket has been to them. International matches have been rescheduled, series has been cut down to accommodate IPL and considering what Pakistan cricket is going through, I m they could have done something and let Paki's participate in this season. Pakistani Nation needs it more than the players..

  • whocareswhowins on May 29, 2010, 2:14 GMT

    @Tashfeen Masood Qayyum - this article has been about Mr Butt, the PCB and the CLT20. You may not have noticed !! But since you brought it up, given that success is a periodic commodity and fluctuates, does the Pak team shiver and pee in their pants now....maybe while playing Australia? Mr Butt has a history of saying something and then retracting his statement. FACT.

  • naeem-butt on May 29, 2010, 1:35 GMT

    As we all know that we pakistani people are little emotional when its comes to cricket so we say a lot of things. if its comes from public its just reaction of the situation but if the comments come from head of the cricket board it should be honored.But it seems that Mr,Butt the chairman of PCB never thinks before he speaks out something in the public,he announced in February that" NO PAKISTANI TEAM WILL BE ALLOWED IN CHAMPION LEAGUE " like he said about YOUNIS when he resigned,he said about Yousuf" when he was struggling with captaincy in Australia" he said about Maindad,he said about Saleem Altaf.I still remember when i was a kid and in the classroom teachers use to tell everyone" think before you speak".That is the difference in between" A Stupid and Intelligent Person" i hope everyone got the message.It is a big shame for pakistan that we have" IJAZ BUTT" as chairman of the cricket board and the biggest shame for"Mr president" who appointed him as chairman".MAY GOD BLESS US."

  • usman246 on May 28, 2010, 22:55 GMT

    once again this BUTT lets us down, its a shame for Pakistan cricket that this old fella is still chairman where he nev deserve to be even a ticket seller in Qadaffi stadium......its disgrace............he should go NOW or cricket will vanish from Pakistan. Some would say its a political view but I believe BUtt is not going anywhere until that Zardari is President "Friend in need is a friend indeed"

  • Anam on May 28, 2010, 22:33 GMT

    @Lovetesh: Please refrain from using the word PAKI since its considered a slang.

    Butt is out of his mind he keeps changing his statements...what a disgrace to Pakistan cricket...also can we please stop begging to get into the CLT and IPL money hogging corporate teams...just play regular domestic and international events...that shud be good enough...we need to focus on whats going on in the team rigth now EMOTIONALLY...get that figured out first...we have a good enough team that can do better then most without playing for CLT IPL or whatever..peace out

  • leggully on May 28, 2010, 20:42 GMT

    M fed up Mr. Butt! ..come N .Holdin such a post comes wid certain basic qualifications, which dis guy doesnt possess!!!! He can't even stand on his own statements...nd has the world 2 blame for all d probs Pakistan Cricket is facin... has a habit f takin impulsive decisions which he can't justify later and so keeps n changing his own statements according to situations...dis embarrases the entire cricket world...If Pakistan Cricket wants to turn around and muv forward, dis guy need to go NOW!!!!

  • crictonite on May 28, 2010, 19:38 GMT

    Is this guy for real? He has gone senile, honestly. He says things and then forgets what he said. It's amazing that Zardari has kept Butt on board for this long. Aren't there other activities to keep an aging mind nimble? Butt should be playing chess with Musharraf.

  • Lovetesh on May 28, 2010, 18:52 GMT

    Nobody hates paki cricketers. Last year also Yasir Arafat came as a part of Sussex team. He was duly given visa and warmly welcomed in India, with no problem what so ever. The only problem is with this person, Mr. Ijaz Butt, not with the governing council of CL.

  • cricket4shafiq on May 28, 2010, 18:10 GMT

    Shame shame BCCI and ICC. What a pathetic professionalism! or mean ways? This champions leagues is of india. which lost today to zimbabwe, and Austraia who can not win without Afridi in T20. without England and Pakistan, this is pathetic league.

  • Asadpk on May 28, 2010, 17:42 GMT

    When the all powerful Chairman of PCB himself rules out the participation of any Pak team in the CL then why should the CL board invite any team from Pak?

    Again and again Mr. Butt has gone back on his own words; his credibility and that of PCB is Zero right now (not that it was great ever before!). Eversince he has taken over he makes one decision or says one thing and then either retracts or reverses it himself, or worse, is forced to do so by others. How long will Pakistani players and their fans have to put up with this disgrace and ignominy?

  • Jazzz on May 28, 2010, 16:59 GMT

    Well... Butt sahib is Defence Minister's BIL.. and Defence Minister is prez's RHM... so don't count on him being ousted... Live with it.. thats Democracy 101...

  • wanderer1 on May 28, 2010, 16:49 GMT

    He's a "good friend" of John Howard's, all you really need to know about Ijaz Butt. And the fact that the PCB is even thinking of supporting Howard for ICC vice-presidency is an absolute disgrace on top of all that they've done in the past.

  • Veeray on May 28, 2010, 16:48 GMT

    Who has made butt the chairman of PCB?he knws nthng.he is a shame for Pakistan

  • on May 28, 2010, 16:34 GMT

    What a mess... Butt Sahib please leave yourself before you are kicked out. You have been a disgrace, a compleye nin com poop. In short a disaster surrounded by sycophants. Have mercy and go so that some one more capable takes over Pak Cricket and take it back to its glory years of the 80's and 90's when the so called Indian tigers shivered and peed in their pants at Pak Crickets name.

  • on May 28, 2010, 16:12 GMT

    thas what it happen when u make asif zardari president

  • SangakaraFan on May 28, 2010, 16:09 GMT

    Mr Butt needs to eat more almonds for increasing his memory, he does not remember what he says because he's getting old and losing his memory. PCB has lost its credabilty.A month ago 6 players were banned and 2 players were banned for life but now they all are selected for Asia cup.What a Joke.

  • on May 28, 2010, 15:08 GMT

    When is the PCB going to have a competent administration void of intentional lethargy! When will the PCB have administrators that know how to communicate, add and subtract and be able to conjure a working system for Pakistan cricket!!

  • wiiCricket on May 28, 2010, 13:58 GMT

    Regardless of what Butt said, the question to ask is whether any Pakistani domestic teams were ever considered for this season? And Majola confirmed saying that they were only making up the 2009 team composition. If ICC is concerned that cricket comes back to the country then they should show that commitment by pressuring PCB to participate and CL officials to pursue to invite Pakistani domestic team(s) to the tournament. It is obvious what are their intentions and why the invite was not sent. That is a no brain-er.

  • on May 28, 2010, 13:54 GMT

    What a guy!!! its a shame how much Pak cricket has suffered due to incompetent and undeserved people running the PCB

  • veeezel on May 28, 2010, 13:18 GMT

    I can not believe this cricket board and its pupit are still in charge.This board has lost its credability How come this chairman can change his statements on his will and no one hold him responsible either its match fixing or disiplinary charges ,he has been all over the place. and now the biggest embarresment come when no pakistan t20 team is invited to champions league.This is too much to bear from this toothless board I am totaly fed up and embaressed,champion league is for all the national champion of cricket playing world and it is held in south africa and not in indin so i can not see why this board could not make its case to the ICC

  • on May 28, 2010, 13:10 GMT

    Would someone slap this butt guy and knock some sense when was the last time he said something and stood by it...by far the worst PCB chairmen ever.

  • nad-1 on May 28, 2010, 13:03 GMT

    Well , ICC should run champions league rather than cricket boards of 3 member countries jointly running a tournament which claims to be global , though i doubt it is global club tournament when teams from 3 test playing nations are not participating , and there was no team from t20 world champions (at that time) during inaugral tournament.

    ICC... you see nothing !!!

  • snbirdi on May 28, 2010, 12:07 GMT

    **** "I have already spoken to Lalit Modi about this and there is no chance of any team from Pakistan playing in the Champions League this year," Butt was quoted as saying ****

    Yeaaaaa CLT20 admins, cant you clearly see how easy it is to misinterpret those words? lololol. All pakistanis out there in the world need to stop complaining and feeling sorry for their cricket and make a stand against this guy to remove him from position. Until this joke of a chairman leaves the PCB, cricket in your country isn't getting anywhere.

  • snorden on May 28, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    this guy being head of a cricket board is a joke, a disgrace a total lack of character on behalf of the authority that has appointed Mr Butt. A shame in the name of a great cricketing nation.

  • ROLAYH on May 28, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    Well what Butt said is one thing... But champions League should have been more professional and should have sent a proper invitation before deciding the exclusion of Pakistani team. It clearly shows that they never wanted Pakistan's representation to start with and are now using Butt's words as an excuse, a lame one...

  • abcRehan on May 28, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    PAK should be won - ICC world cup 2011

  • on May 28, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    What an absolute muppet!!!

  • on May 28, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    this butt guy is stupid .... and so is the pcb

  • spiritwithin on May 28, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    Mr.Butt is like a chameleon who changes his comments everytime....

  • Prats6 on May 28, 2010, 10:58 GMT

    Typical Butt double speak.. Just disgusting. When would the old man get his senses ?

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  • Prats6 on May 28, 2010, 10:58 GMT

    Typical Butt double speak.. Just disgusting. When would the old man get his senses ?

  • spiritwithin on May 28, 2010, 11:03 GMT

    Mr.Butt is like a chameleon who changes his comments everytime....

  • on May 28, 2010, 11:15 GMT

    this butt guy is stupid .... and so is the pcb

  • on May 28, 2010, 11:25 GMT

    What an absolute muppet!!!

  • abcRehan on May 28, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    PAK should be won - ICC world cup 2011

  • ROLAYH on May 28, 2010, 12:00 GMT

    Well what Butt said is one thing... But champions League should have been more professional and should have sent a proper invitation before deciding the exclusion of Pakistani team. It clearly shows that they never wanted Pakistan's representation to start with and are now using Butt's words as an excuse, a lame one...

  • snorden on May 28, 2010, 12:01 GMT

    this guy being head of a cricket board is a joke, a disgrace a total lack of character on behalf of the authority that has appointed Mr Butt. A shame in the name of a great cricketing nation.

  • snbirdi on May 28, 2010, 12:07 GMT

    **** "I have already spoken to Lalit Modi about this and there is no chance of any team from Pakistan playing in the Champions League this year," Butt was quoted as saying ****

    Yeaaaaa CLT20 admins, cant you clearly see how easy it is to misinterpret those words? lololol. All pakistanis out there in the world need to stop complaining and feeling sorry for their cricket and make a stand against this guy to remove him from position. Until this joke of a chairman leaves the PCB, cricket in your country isn't getting anywhere.

  • nad-1 on May 28, 2010, 13:03 GMT

    Well , ICC should run champions league rather than cricket boards of 3 member countries jointly running a tournament which claims to be global , though i doubt it is global club tournament when teams from 3 test playing nations are not participating , and there was no team from t20 world champions (at that time) during inaugral tournament.

    ICC... you see nothing !!!

  • on May 28, 2010, 13:10 GMT

    Would someone slap this butt guy and knock some sense when was the last time he said something and stood by it...by far the worst PCB chairmen ever.