England v India, 3rd npower Test, Edgbaston, 4th day August 14, 2011

Former captains fear slide for India

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India's dismal performance in England has seen them lose the No. 1 ranking in Tests, and several former captains and players concur that it could be a while before they regain the position. A lack of preparation has been pointed out as one of the chief reasons for India's three consecutive losses, and Mansur Ali Khan Pataudi, the former India captain, does not think the Indian board will learn their lesson and plan more meticulously for future series

"I don't want to sound like a pessimist but I fear the players are going to say it's only a bad dream, just forget it and get on," he told PTI. "The BCCI is not going to show a great deal of vision. Cricket will continue the way it is but I sincerely hope that some sense does come in."

Sourav Ganguly, who led India to a 1-1 draw in England in 2002, said the performances were worrying and may not just constitute a one-off bad tour. "You can lose Test matches but losing three in a row and not scoring any big total, it is something to be worried about," Ganguly said. "Is it a one-off affair or the beginning of the demise of the side? We have to see."

What is particularly worrying for India is that their batting has failed despite the presence of Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman, who have 37,769 Test runs between them. Anil Kumble said things would only get harder for India once those three retired, and the challenge now was just to stay near the top rather than reclaim the No. 1 ranking. "You need to spot four-five players and invest in them, to ensure that they carry the responsibility of Indian cricket in future in place of the veterans," Kumble said. "We have Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir

"They have to be given a long rope. You may not see India come back at the top in quick time. But we have to ensure that with these youngsters, we remained in the top three and climb to top spot after a few years."

Former India captain Dilip Vengsarkar said that apart from the fact that India had very little time to prepare for the series, complacency had also played a role in their defeat.

"I knew that it will be a tough series for India considering the fact that they were up against a formidable team that's on song and consistent in their performance in recent times," Vengsarkar said.

"Besides, they have a better attack and as a team they had enough time to prepare themselves for the series. India on the other hand had come back from the gruelling series in West Indies, had a very little time to prepare and adapt to English conditions.

"I guess, the Indians had become a bit complacent after their good run in the last few seasons," he said.

Kumble's sentiments on the need to blood youngsters were echoed by Arun Lal, the former India batsman, who also said the magnitude of the loss in England may serve as a much-needed wake-up call for India and ensure they are better prepared for future tours.

"You cannot go on with 35 or 38-year-olds till eternity. There might be slowing down of the reflexes, weakening of eyesight etc. So we need to infuse new talent," Lal said. "We have to ensure that we have enough preparation before such tough series. The series loss and World No. 1 Test ranking slipping away is in a way good. We need an awakening."

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  • NAZMO-CRICKFANN on August 17, 2011, 9:14 GMT

    well , indians still at it with xcuses. you were simply, defeated by a far mor superior team.

  • landl47 on August 16, 2011, 21:49 GMT

    The former Indian captains are right. By the time India host England in 2012 Dravid and Tendulkar will be 39, Laxman 38, Zaheer and Sehwag 34. That's a very old team, not just in batting and bowling but even more importantly in fielding. You've seen in this series that every time England has kept India out in the field for a couple of days, they've batted poorly. In another year and a quarter they'll be that much older and less able to cope with the physical demands. Dravid has started dropping catches and after scoring two centuries in his first three innings has had 3 low scores in a row. Laxman has been out to poor strokes, likewise Tendulkar. India has had its time in the sun, this tour has been a sign that the great days are over and it's time to rebuild.

  • gottalovetheraindance on August 16, 2011, 20:15 GMT

    a slide now would be very ironic seeing that BCCI has been quite disrespectful to 4 of the bottom teams in Test Cricket i.e. Pakistan,West Indies , Bangladesh & Zimbabwe by refusing to tour, denying access to ipl, selecting 2nd string teams etc. With the imminent retirement of key players & the scarcity of quality test class bowlers on the field a slide down the ranks (perhaps even below some of these 4) is not a worry to be scoffed at. I hope that they will be able to hold on 4 some time after Sachin, Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag & Zaheer retire as India is scheduled to play the most test cricket during the current Future tours program period if i remember correctly. a weak team playing regularly does not promise exciting test cricket. Test cricket needs India to stay strong as BCCI have the money & the power in world cricket & i strongly doubt they will seek the best interest of the highest form of the game if India is performing poorly.

  • Scallopian on August 16, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    It will take a lot for India to bounce back. Indian fans should not be too dissapointed if India spends a couple of years ranked No. 5/6 while they rebuild the team. Sachin, Dravid, and Laxman are greats, but replacements will take time. Do not get too frustrated! Meanwhile, fingers crossed that we come back in the fourth test.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 16, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    @rkannancrown, Dinesh Karthik failing against spinners must be an aberration. Even Sachin, Dravid, VVS failed against Mendis. Dinesh Karthik is a fully rounded tremendous batsman with no weaknesses against spin or pace on any track, in any conditions. And a very very good keeper as well. What more do we need? In any other country, his position as keeper-batsman would have been his own by now.

  • Ganchu on August 16, 2011, 16:51 GMT

    Our players dont use their brains when playing because they cant differentiate between test and one day matches otherwise what is the necesicity of Tendulakar backing up so much does he think that he is going to win a match for India never.Its time to give some notice to raina, he is not a test player and give chance to Badari, instead these selectors plays him in One day matchs which is not is cup of Tea.And also its time to retire for Harbhajan since he is not going to take any wickets in the absence of Great Kumble

  • annys on August 16, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    well well indian selectors have the following list to select from :

    openers -------- gambhir sehwag mukund vijay dhawan jaffer uthappa

    middle order ------------ badri kohli pujara raina rohit yuvi manoj tiwary manish pandey rahane rayudu saurabh tiwary yusuf ashok menaria

    keeper ------ dhoni ppatel karthik saha cm gautham

    spinners --------

    aswin bhajji ohja misra bhargav bhatt iqbal abdulla chawla jakati

    medium/fast ----------- ishanth munaf praveen rp sreesanth dinda vinay kumar s tyagi mithun arvind varun aron irfan pathan gony balaji sangwan

  • vpk23 on August 16, 2011, 11:15 GMT

    TO THE ABOVE LIST TO INVEST ADD MANOJ TIWAR'S NAME TOO. HE WOULD BE A CRACK SELECT AND WE SHOULD SEE THE RETURNS IN TIME

  • rkannancrown on August 16, 2011, 10:59 GMT

    Kumble & Lal are correct that India needs to blood youngsters & have faith in them. Somehow, Kumble missed Pujara who looks better than the ones he mentioned. We should not forget that Ganguly's first tour (Australia in 1991) was a dissater & he was written off. Raina, Kohli & Yuvi are capable middle order players. Rohit Sharma has talent but has rarely scored against good fast bowling and his fielding means he needs to average atleast 20 more than the others to be considered. I also think the selectors need to relook at Dinesh Kartik. He scored runs in SA & England opening the batting when sehwag was out of form. He has failed against spinners but is the only one of the youngsters who scored against fast bowlers on the same tracks where the more promising younsters have failed.

  • on August 16, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    I'm obviously delighted by the 3-0 scoreline but was really hoping for a more challenging series. Dravid has played well but Tendulkar, Laxman et al have been poor. While its great to have a long time veteran surely a team can only carry one 35+ player at a time, otherwise their decline/retirement leaves you in a real hole. Australia found that out. But really, its got to be the bowling. Are Indian pitches really so flat that you don't have any bowlers?

  • NAZMO-CRICKFANN on August 17, 2011, 9:14 GMT

    well , indians still at it with xcuses. you were simply, defeated by a far mor superior team.

  • landl47 on August 16, 2011, 21:49 GMT

    The former Indian captains are right. By the time India host England in 2012 Dravid and Tendulkar will be 39, Laxman 38, Zaheer and Sehwag 34. That's a very old team, not just in batting and bowling but even more importantly in fielding. You've seen in this series that every time England has kept India out in the field for a couple of days, they've batted poorly. In another year and a quarter they'll be that much older and less able to cope with the physical demands. Dravid has started dropping catches and after scoring two centuries in his first three innings has had 3 low scores in a row. Laxman has been out to poor strokes, likewise Tendulkar. India has had its time in the sun, this tour has been a sign that the great days are over and it's time to rebuild.

  • gottalovetheraindance on August 16, 2011, 20:15 GMT

    a slide now would be very ironic seeing that BCCI has been quite disrespectful to 4 of the bottom teams in Test Cricket i.e. Pakistan,West Indies , Bangladesh & Zimbabwe by refusing to tour, denying access to ipl, selecting 2nd string teams etc. With the imminent retirement of key players & the scarcity of quality test class bowlers on the field a slide down the ranks (perhaps even below some of these 4) is not a worry to be scoffed at. I hope that they will be able to hold on 4 some time after Sachin, Laxman, Dravid, Sehwag & Zaheer retire as India is scheduled to play the most test cricket during the current Future tours program period if i remember correctly. a weak team playing regularly does not promise exciting test cricket. Test cricket needs India to stay strong as BCCI have the money & the power in world cricket & i strongly doubt they will seek the best interest of the highest form of the game if India is performing poorly.

  • Scallopian on August 16, 2011, 19:43 GMT

    It will take a lot for India to bounce back. Indian fans should not be too dissapointed if India spends a couple of years ranked No. 5/6 while they rebuild the team. Sachin, Dravid, and Laxman are greats, but replacements will take time. Do not get too frustrated! Meanwhile, fingers crossed that we come back in the fourth test.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 16, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    @rkannancrown, Dinesh Karthik failing against spinners must be an aberration. Even Sachin, Dravid, VVS failed against Mendis. Dinesh Karthik is a fully rounded tremendous batsman with no weaknesses against spin or pace on any track, in any conditions. And a very very good keeper as well. What more do we need? In any other country, his position as keeper-batsman would have been his own by now.

  • Ganchu on August 16, 2011, 16:51 GMT

    Our players dont use their brains when playing because they cant differentiate between test and one day matches otherwise what is the necesicity of Tendulakar backing up so much does he think that he is going to win a match for India never.Its time to give some notice to raina, he is not a test player and give chance to Badari, instead these selectors plays him in One day matchs which is not is cup of Tea.And also its time to retire for Harbhajan since he is not going to take any wickets in the absence of Great Kumble

  • annys on August 16, 2011, 15:12 GMT

    well well indian selectors have the following list to select from :

    openers -------- gambhir sehwag mukund vijay dhawan jaffer uthappa

    middle order ------------ badri kohli pujara raina rohit yuvi manoj tiwary manish pandey rahane rayudu saurabh tiwary yusuf ashok menaria

    keeper ------ dhoni ppatel karthik saha cm gautham

    spinners --------

    aswin bhajji ohja misra bhargav bhatt iqbal abdulla chawla jakati

    medium/fast ----------- ishanth munaf praveen rp sreesanth dinda vinay kumar s tyagi mithun arvind varun aron irfan pathan gony balaji sangwan

  • vpk23 on August 16, 2011, 11:15 GMT

    TO THE ABOVE LIST TO INVEST ADD MANOJ TIWAR'S NAME TOO. HE WOULD BE A CRACK SELECT AND WE SHOULD SEE THE RETURNS IN TIME

  • rkannancrown on August 16, 2011, 10:59 GMT

    Kumble & Lal are correct that India needs to blood youngsters & have faith in them. Somehow, Kumble missed Pujara who looks better than the ones he mentioned. We should not forget that Ganguly's first tour (Australia in 1991) was a dissater & he was written off. Raina, Kohli & Yuvi are capable middle order players. Rohit Sharma has talent but has rarely scored against good fast bowling and his fielding means he needs to average atleast 20 more than the others to be considered. I also think the selectors need to relook at Dinesh Kartik. He scored runs in SA & England opening the batting when sehwag was out of form. He has failed against spinners but is the only one of the youngsters who scored against fast bowlers on the same tracks where the more promising younsters have failed.

  • on August 16, 2011, 8:28 GMT

    I'm obviously delighted by the 3-0 scoreline but was really hoping for a more challenging series. Dravid has played well but Tendulkar, Laxman et al have been poor. While its great to have a long time veteran surely a team can only carry one 35+ player at a time, otherwise their decline/retirement leaves you in a real hole. Australia found that out. But really, its got to be the bowling. Are Indian pitches really so flat that you don't have any bowlers?

  • on August 16, 2011, 8:26 GMT

    This Team India is IPL servant and completely unfit and useless to play International Cricket or Test Cricket. IPL has taken betting to highest level. IPL is not a Cricketing event it is a worst commerical event. Team India and BCCI is completely focussed on IPL. Because of IPL, Team India is losing skill, inspiration, motivation and fitness to play Test Cricket. These curators, coaches and BCCI officials are working for IPL growth rather than Cricket growth. Until IPL is thrashed, Team India is not going to perform well in other tournaments. IPL is completely meaningless and obsolete Tournament. Test, ODI & T20 Cricket is great to watch between Countries unlike IPL Teams which look like clubs. Test Cricket is ultimate to watch on sportive pitches. But IPL is making these pitches Lifeless.

  • Lionz on August 16, 2011, 7:48 GMT

    I don't know why India doesn't have good fast bowlers comparing to Pakistan or Sri Lanka. With all the issues they have Pakistan still produces quality fast bowlers and Sri Lanka too have genuine fast bowlers. BCCI should conduct a talent search program to find genuine fast bowlers like what Sri Lanka did and found Nuwan Pradeep who can bowl 150kmph.

  • on August 16, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    what comment can be write for this team. The performence of team india broke many hearts and certainly lost some of its valuable fans. team india's show at the middle was more than pathetic, they batted even worsts then schools team, bowled like without bow in archoury and fielded without knowing much about it.in short team india's performence well below its standard. really shameful

  • ManzurManutd on August 16, 2011, 3:39 GMT

    All the respondents talked about batsmen,aged trio or how to groom curremt crop; no one really entails anythings about bowling.To win outside you need class bowlers who can fetch wicket on a placid track.Finding world-class bowler at least two for a series outside is a perennial problem.

    If you look at PAK they managed to win matches even in a most precarious balance inside.This corporate world is destroying Indian cricket in the name of IPL.No matter how much hard it proofs to be ,India must come out of this vicious cycle.

    Manzur

  • IrfanRocks on August 16, 2011, 1:51 GMT

    There are lot of people who is saying bring back irfan pathan to the team and i'm one of those. we need an allrounder who can bat/bowl. I dont know what is wrong with BCCI and Irfan Pathan, its not about liking or hating nor its your team, its all about India.. we need to prove that we are better than any other team. we really need allrounder that we dont have. we need Irfan pathan back to the any format of cricket, who can bat/bowl and field . If you hate irfan pathan so just dont say he is not good/out of form, just give him one more chance..he would do better thn raina/sree/praveen etc..

  • Raj2506 on August 15, 2011, 21:36 GMT

    Unless and until BCCI is run by Ex-Cricketers rather than politicians, it will ruin the team

  • Rumy1 on August 15, 2011, 21:02 GMT

    If Rohit can show consistency and work ethics then he is certainly in.Amongst the bowlers,Irfan Pathan must be given another chance if he returns to peak fitness. He looks ready for a second innings.Iqbal Abdulla is a great prospect with superb temperament and will to succeed at highest levels.Not a great turner but a great trier, team man and a captain's bowler.He is young and must be groomed through the doors of ODI.Varun Aaron is another good prospect.But he needs to be tested in some longer version games.Ishant Sharma must be persisted with.He is a special talent.Praveen Kumar won't have much to do with on docile wickets in sub continent conditions.He should be a certainty in XI for ODIS though.Sreesanth should be let go and so should be Amit Mishra.If we can't have a top spinner coming out of our Indian tracks then it is not worth it.Brahm Bhatt is another talent who could be groomed.I don't think Dhoni should consider his place as a certainty though from here on.Rayudu is waiting

  • on August 15, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    THere is only one reason for India's failure - IPL. There could be multiple subheadings under this - Fatigue; casual attitude; lack of match practice; injuries; lack of will and purpose; being in 20-20 mode and not in the test mode etc. etc., but it all boils down to glorification of IPL and step motherly attitude towards real cricket. What do players get playing for the country and winning? Real cricket doesn't really matter to them - to the BCCI, to the players and all the other stake holders. That's the bottom line.

  • Rumy1 on August 15, 2011, 20:32 GMT

    Now which are few names- resh and some out of favour ones who are Test match ready and can walk in.Wasim Jaffer is the first name.Without doubt, he is the best batsman who is not in the Test XI at the moment.And he is just 32. Still four-five years left in him.Lot of talent, solid & proven technique, experience, great temperament and hunger to succeed.His technique against swinging and short pitched stuff is surely better and proven than Gambhir with Test hundreds in both England and South Africa.Second is Badrinath without doubt.The second best batsman who is not in Test XI.He is class and is surely Test match ready.At 31 he has a some years left.He is in Dravid mould.Get him in too.Pujara is another one who needs to be brought in.He has the required technique,temperament and skills to succeed at highest levels in Test cricket.Rahane doesn't yet look a complete player so he will have to wait and so does Rohit Sharma.Rohit has all the skill and talent but his work ethics are questionab

  • on August 15, 2011, 20:31 GMT

    Very clear the Indian bats men have no clue, including tendulkar who wanted to slog out of trouble in his second innings at Birmingham

  • Rumy1 on August 15, 2011, 20:15 GMT

    After whitewash,one thing is beyond doubt.Raina and Mukund don't belong there.There lives will always be hell under swinging red cherry/short pitched stuff/bouncy tracks.Same is true with Kohli.Raina/Kohli are good for shorter versions.I think the debate MUST close here.Secondly, Gambhir has never been comfortable with swinging and short pitched stuff.He can be a wonder on docile tracks of sub-continent but not on lively pitches.So that is it.If Sachin fails in next series which is hypothetical, question whether he should retire at peak or not will become louder and it won't be good.It is Sachin and Sachin himself who needs to assess and make a call.I think he should.Laxman will bounce back.He is a class act.A lot of cricket is still left in both Dravid and Laxman.They are required to blood new talent while still in.However new talent must be ready with required level of skills/techniq to contribute when selected.Test matches are not training centers.They are good to polish one's skill

  • keralite on August 15, 2011, 20:05 GMT

    Indian held on to the number one spot for a reasonably long period without having won a series in Australia, England and South Africa. This tells something about the quality of cricket being played by other teams. India according to me was the "first among equals". The australian team even won a series in india during their peak. A series tie was the best India could manage. It is only fair that a better side now took over as the number one team. But the top 3 spots will be shared by England, India and South Africa/Sri Lanka for a long time i believe. P.S.- I am an Indian.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 15, 2011, 19:44 GMT

    I have always been critical about the way the Indian public and BCCI treat the old players. It's time the likes of Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman are shown the doors. I know they contributed heavily to Indian cricket BUT the their time is up. The whole Indian team has become a laughing stock. The team has to take this defeat on the chin and move forward. The BCCI should take cycles to retire the 3 great batsmen and fill in one youngster in each slot. We WILL see more failures from team India but unfortunately no war is won without taking casualties. India will continue to lose overseas games but I don't mind losing with young blood in the side. The England team also lost many series and games before reaching this point. Losing is a stepping stone to success. India's time will come again.

  • arhun on August 15, 2011, 18:52 GMT

    @doosra95-Don't know what you are trying to say. The same has been discussed and scrutinized enough. Did you read the article? It is about the aftermath of the series defeat and a discussion on the proactive actions that can be taken to prevent the downturn. I suspect you just want to keep talking about how bad India is...Pathetic

  • on August 15, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    I saw Tendulkar 's run out, yeah ur right his reflexes are slowing down, bring in Virat and Rohit now b4 its late. The problem with all Indian greats are they have to be pushed to retire, no one wants to step down gracefully.

  • on August 15, 2011, 18:07 GMT

    My FULL support Team to Team India, this is the same Team that created wonders past 2 yrs and lifted World Cup, imagine the continuous playing schedule,they are physically and emotionally tired, after all they are human beings. they deserve a much needed break. Wait and See after they take some break. We are blaming them for Playing in IPL, who dont want money? they will be playing only for a few years in thier entire career, what is wrong in earning money when there is a chance. If we point IPL is culprit, then let us ban or atleast put a clause IPL will be played only by 2nd tier teams.

    I am a true indian fan, I fully support my tired Indian Team. Congrats to England Team for being number one, hope they will fight hard to retain, beware of India.

  • cricketmaniagola on August 15, 2011, 17:09 GMT

    We should not be so cruel to the senior players Sachn, Dravid and Laxman nd infact these three plaed a big role in India becoming number 1 alongwith major cotributions from Zaheer, Sehwag and Gambhir..unfortunately due to poor selection and poor performance of fringe players ...the top three were left with to much to do. We didnt had a world class bowler except Zaheer. England have five quality pacmen Anderson, Finn, tremlett, Bresnn and Broad and a supeb spinner in swann. Harbhajan was just having good time because of pressure put on batsman by impeccable Anil kumble, once he is gone Bhajji was always struggling...Yuvi n Raina have so much flaws in their techiques .but they were selected ignoring technically sound Jaffar, Venugopal, Badri...age should not be a criteria but performance should be .....Pankaj Singh, D Chahar, D Kulkarni are prodigious movers of ball....its basically selectors fault who failed to spot n select proper talent to support Captain Dhoni...

  • on August 15, 2011, 16:52 GMT

    Teams under former India Caps were never No 1 and never had the resources this team has had Complacency is the right word and lack or preparation is a result Playing Test cricket in England is always a tough proposition but that old fact was ignored The win the the WI put a false sense of security and killed the killer instinct and the hunger to win The whole attitude suggested a lack of resolve or determination with no display of fighting for every run every wicket The dropped catches in the last test are clear evidence of this The comment re lack of preparation of understudies for tests is spot on Not a single player among the new lot are test class. Instead you have a crop of 20;20 bullies At least 5 of the current side need to be replaced which includes some so called younger players, with some hopefuls to replace them.After which a career plan needs to be put in place for players on the fringe like Varun Aaron and Shamim Ahmed giving exposure to intl cricket

  • on August 15, 2011, 16:25 GMT

    It should serve as a wake up call. Bcci needs to introspect. Kimble is right. We have to invest in youth and nurture them properly .it's easier said than done.

  • KillazCorner on August 15, 2011, 15:05 GMT

    There's something really fishy going on between the board and Irfan Pathan. He was the 1 genuine all rounder that we had. Granted he lost his bowling form for a couple of years but it's hard to believe that he isn't in the top 35 players in India. He could have at least been selected for the emerging players' tournament in Aus, I believe. At least he would add a certain depth instead of going with someone like Raina. Really can't see another talent like Sachin or Rahul as we saw when they were 1st coming into the team.

  • doosra95 on August 15, 2011, 14:29 GMT

    Indian love to talk big but when it comes out side India they are flat as pancake, look at the batman performance on tour, and they never had good quality bowlers.

    There losing streak will continue for long time to come.They have no quality batsman tried and tested failures are Kholis , Raina,and Youvtart sing and co. they are not young.

    ICC should stop two test tours for good, so it does not discredit the no1 ranking system.

  • Sagay-Ed on August 15, 2011, 13:59 GMT

    @Luke Ashwood - Ultimate comedy. you got understand that there is only one world championship in ODI and that is ICC Cricket World cup. It is India who won it in 2011 and they are the world champions... there is no "championship" for test yet... and it is not derived from the ODI or TEST ranking by ICC...

  • dsig3 on August 15, 2011, 13:57 GMT

    Make no mistake, India deserved the No.1 mantle for their 2 years at the top. I hope they appreciate how hard it is to be to be at the top for 10-20 years as the Aussie's and Windies have. When India claimed the title it was as if they expected to be around for just as long as the Aussies. I know its only one test series but I think this tour will finish the current Indian team. Everyone wants to play them now, they are a wounded animal and teams are lining up for revenge.

  • Naresh28 on August 15, 2011, 13:41 GMT

    Akash Chopra for opener? naresh28

  • arunheros on August 15, 2011, 13:13 GMT

    First of all this should not come from Former captains . They should support the team in time of low rather than showing how bleak their future is which will only increase the mental status of the team. This team can perform irrespective of their performance in england which is rather disappointing. The loss doesn't hurt that but the way indians didn't pose any challenge to england was damper to any cricket fan. In terms of domination India still dominates cricket which includes both test and ODIs .Just one dissmal performance cannot pull them down. I belive india had there share of loss to bear for now.

  • on August 15, 2011, 13:08 GMT

    The Former Indian CAPS have seen defeats worser than this with high quality players in their side than the current team..... We might have legendary players in the side but if you see their age they are into their last stage of the game and you can't expect them to lift up anymore though they can do it.....Its high time that India prepares a future for its test matches and this will give a good experience to the Victorious Indian Captain MSD to tackle the pressure when ending up losing... But MSD need not worry about the critics posted by any former Legends as he had already achieved a huge milestone which no other Indian Captain reached..... What more can you expect from him... Its time that we back our team and say Jai Ho!!!!

  • sharidas on August 15, 2011, 13:07 GMT

    This is not being written as a reaction to our three consecutive losses in England, but rather with a thought as to the future of Indian Cricket. Lets start from the top of the batting and then the bowling line up........ Sehwag 32, Gambhir 30, Dravid 39, Lakshman 37,Tendulkar 39, Yuvaraj 30, Dhoni 30, Harbhajan 31, Zaheer Khan 33, Munaf Patel 28, Sreesanth 28, Mishra 29. We cannot afford to go on like this. We need talented youngsters to come in. Its about time, our Selectors started showing a bit more dare and included more youngsters come what may. Otherwise, India may be going back to a stage far worse than what we were at a time when we at least had some Spinners of Class.

  • on August 15, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    BCCI is adamant with their own views and the Indian players do not have sufficient match practice before playing a Test match. This happened in Australia during their 2007-08 tour when I was in Melbourne watching the Indian players struggle after one off practice match being washed off. The organisers for BCCI should be retired Cricketers and not non-cricketers or Politicians. Ramamoorthy A

  • on August 15, 2011, 11:58 GMT

    Those who are saying England and Australia once again dominating .. please get a grip of yourself, England just showing sign of a team now.. they have only one the 20/20 cup.. if they were dominating they would have won the world cup by now. ashes is not a big thing, it's played by 2 teams. I don't think England will be No1 for long. It will be Aus, Ind and SA. I don't think England can hold on to the NO1 spot.

  • Mantrimani on August 15, 2011, 9:48 GMT

    Why people are hailing Gary Kristen. What did he do. Did he have a magic wand. Please give the credit where it is due. I am sorry no one remembers that amiable cricketer Mr John Wright from New Zealand who should get the credit for grooming a bunch of boys into a well-knit side. For all his troubles alas! no one remembers JohnWright and even batsman like Sehwag/Gambhir were singing praises of Gary. He did not do anything, was just a pedestrian spectator and he just basked in the Glory of the well-knit and well moulded team left behind by John. The other one the haughty Australian , I am loathe to mention his name thoroughly ruined our team physically and mentally. He was the one to spoil Irfan Pathan who otherwise would have been a good all-rounder. Do we not have enough Cricketers like Mohinder,Amarnath, Kapil Dev etc. who can very well coach our team. Why do we have to depend on people like Fletcher. Fletcher is a panvati. England lost 5 Ashes matches with him at the helm

  • on August 15, 2011, 9:32 GMT

    Here we go....people as well as past cricketers started again,cud u pls tell me what they achieved when they were palying....,and ask this same people in 2010 when sachin,laxman,dravid were scoring heavily and winning matches,common this is just a bad phase,and talking about youg blood ,hooooo u cannot even bit west indies with the new bllod just see the average and thier batting in west indies of kohli,mukund,..stop blaming the senior players ,i think no one can replace them and th day they retired india 's ranking will be below west indies...best of luck dhoni u r superb man

  • on August 15, 2011, 9:27 GMT

    Hello Dhoni & boys:

    Sorry guys, your independence day is on 22nd August this year...

    waiting 4 u at Oval,

    with Love,

    Anderson,Broad & Bresnan

  • Mantrimani on August 15, 2011, 9:20 GMT

    India deserved to lose. What fatigue. Their pockets are full of money earned from IPL. Why should they worry about the nation. Besides cricketers like dhoni is endorsing a lot of products. They have no time for Test cricket. Did not Tendulkar have enough rest. Has he single handedly won a test match for us. I don't think so. He is over the hill. He is waiting to score the 100th Hundred and I do not think he will be able to do it. The writing is on the wall. He ought to quit now. Same is true of Laxman and Dravid. They should not prolong. They have played enough and now should make way to youngsters knocking at the doors or else the youngsters will not get a chance. Dhoni is no great shakes as a Captain in Test cricket. He was hailed as a genius. What happened. I had my own doubts. He has no technique and just hammers the ball. Harbhajan is over the hill too. Sack Srikkanth & co and bring a new team. Also bring in youngsters. We will see again see winning ways.

  • on August 15, 2011, 8:44 GMT

    It's ok buddies. We are already wasting so much time watching cricket matches live. Why waste more time discussing on there forums. Enjoy the highlights coming on Star cricket of world cup 2011 and chill

  • rsurya on August 15, 2011, 8:23 GMT

    When great legends of Australia retired, they had good replacements . they can come back strongly quickly but in the case of India once it happens it takes 2+ decades.

  • on August 15, 2011, 8:17 GMT

    the question is unless the juniors are thrown into the deep end with no o2 support from the seniors they are not going to learn the art of survival ,true we may get beaten but if we select the right kind of batman and bowlers and give them time the results will show fruit some time later any way with all the super stars around we getting beaten royally remember england did not reach the top by win all matches they were royally trashed on the way to become no 1 batsman who cant play horizontal back foot shots or are uncomfortable against bouncers shouldn't be selected ,and bowler over 135kmph with decent control and proper fitness levels should be selected

  • Chennaitte on August 15, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    MY dream team more or less consists - 2 Genuine fast bowlers, 2 spinners, 2 all rounders, 1 wicket keeper/batsman, 4 genuine left &/ Right handed batsman. We throw all politics out, Have a proper recruitment system, Where persons with or without education can come for honest selection process. The we can have 3 such teams for all 3 formats individually. Thus Public lust for cricket will be satisfied, public lust for victory will be satisfied, BCCI's financials will be great. Players health will be great. Competition will be sound and inconsistent performers will be out. As per current Process, Otherwise we need to laud this team for victories, and mourn when they lose.

  • SachinIsTheGreatest on August 15, 2011, 7:41 GMT

    Well said hargreaves92. Though do keep in mind...

    If you are English we really cannot be any more rubbish than England in the Ashes That Never Happened i.e. 2006-07. If you are Australian then at least we never lost at home 3-1 to England in the last 20 years. If you are South African let's discuss when you win a World Cup. If you are none of the three then enough with the gloating over India's failures(considering you are none of the three your team's performances hardly deserve a mention)!

  • on August 15, 2011, 7:35 GMT

    change the captain may help indian team because now a days dhani decisiion not up to the mark and i think team are not united that why batting line not score more than 300. Rahul always play middle order batsman and perform v well n opener should be sehwag along with tendulkar or gambir. India dont have single good fast bowler its always weakness of indian side they can't produce evcen single fast bowler. zaheer khan not perform in pressure time.

  • NRI- on August 15, 2011, 6:39 GMT

    Bowling is obviously a far bigger issue. On fast wickets in seaming conditions, Sreesanth and Ishant could not get any breakthroughs. Get Varun Aaron and RP Singh to play the last test with Praveen. Ashwin needs to play as the key spinner.

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 15, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    What the Indians need to do first up after this tour is to sit down and look at EVERY SINGLE guy out there in domestic cricket for the 2 respective disciplines: batting and bowling. Apart from looking at the number of runs or wickets, the BCCI has to keep track of the fitness regimen of each and every player. We need FIT players and not just rock stars. Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly were never fit. They were rock stars who performed superbly with the bat. Indian cricket has to move away from that rubbish. Most worrying is the bowling. We don't need VEGETARIAN bowlers. I mean it sarcastically and literally. We need STRONG men with the extra muscle who can run in for 20-25 overs per day and pick wickets. We need an aggressive all rounder who can bowl quick and provide cover at no.7 or 8. The selectors should throw out a non-performing player after just 2 games. This is harsh, but complacency is something India can NEVER afford again.

  • Meety on August 15, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    This would be acceptable if India had dominated well cricket for 10 or more years, as memories of the previous dominants sides demise would be diminished a bit. However, we are only talking 2 years since Oz was felled. Barely 5 years since the mass retirements. So this all should be fresh. Zaheer, SRT, VVS & Dravid WILL start retiring soon. They need to be replaced in a staggered manner or otherwise India will drop in the rankings like a stone. Oz are feeling the effects of mass retirements 5 yrs later, India are going to suffer more as their success was based on fewer stars, each loss will be of a greater magnitude.

  • peter_hughes on August 15, 2011, 5:55 GMT

    the poms deserve to be no.1............but oz's hav also quickened their gears...........i don't think that this english team will be able to be at the top for long..........oz's ,,south africa will present big challenges and india too will be a big hurdle wen the poms tour the subcontinent.......bad luck for india............but they need to make big decisions........and groom youngsters specially rohit sharma to whom many think here as the replacement to tendulkar and a player with good technique and who can play som real quick short balls...........

  • anand32026 on August 15, 2011, 5:39 GMT

    why we take players from oneday side why we not give chances ranji players like pujara,rahane,jaafer and others,....if board says we give chance to mukund but he played only two tests then he made century in practice match then he is not in 3rd test why? why?..... this is not happens with raina in first practice match? board give chance to raina ahead of yuvraaj singh...why?why?....we are always looks test players from one day side...not in local cricket like ranji or dullep trophyy...

  • on August 15, 2011, 5:29 GMT

    I dont know want slide we are talking about. India never deserved to be No. 1. Has India defeated any team including Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in this manner. We attained the No. 1 status by default not by any magnificent performance. The fact that we could not hold on to this status for more than 20 months is testimony to this as test cricket is played sporadically. Everyone talks of this English attak being one of the best ever. Without any discredit to their consistency this is carrying things to far. Our batsmen have made them look like great bowlers. Take their main bowler Anderson who has been around for quite some time. He has take 240 odd wickets at over 30 a piece with most of his bowling done in such conditions. Kapil has taken 434 wickets at 28 a piece with over 50 % of his bowling done in the flat Indian conditions. Broad not too long ago was wacked for 6 sixes in one over by Yuvaraj. He has now become a monster of a bowler in these conditions for the Indians.

  • xylo on August 15, 2011, 5:27 GMT

    When Australia was on the decline with the retirement of McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Waughs, wasn't everybody talking about how the Indian side would do when its great batsmen retired? So, this isn't too much of a surprise. VVS and Dravid are still doing fine, and Sachin is struggling. And with the average age of the team being on the higher side, the fielding is more often than not going to be outstanding. Now, the difference between the CA and BCCI is that the CA was willing to accept the fact that the greats are gone, and are rebuilding. BCCI has problems when one super "great" is not contributing, and not retiring either, and they just do not seem to be willing to get new blood in. Pujara should seamlessly slot in once he is fit. As for the other slots, giving Badrinath, a domestic test specialist (instead of say a ODI specialist like Yuvraj) an extended run could bear fruit.

  • on August 15, 2011, 5:08 GMT

    @rDeepakKumar....correction to your comment ' Remember we are still the World Champs'...India are the World Cup tournament champions. It is Australia who are the world champions. They are ranked number 1 in the world because of their long-term ODI performances and are showing this status by thrashing Sri Lanka (2-0 so far losing 5 wickets vs 20 wickets in the first 2 matches). India are neither best in the world at Tests OR ODI's. It is England and Australia who once again dominate!

  • on August 15, 2011, 5:01 GMT

    To retain the No.1 position you need longevity. Job done for the Indians with who they've got, but they have left it too late to enjoy being no.1 for anymore time. Now, Tendulkar 'should' retire because he won't want to be part of a declining side at his age...yet he does bat mostly for records, so he will linger on to aim for the 100th international century. He'll wait til the next Bangladesh series if he has to. Clinging on, denying a youngster the opportunity that he did 20 years ago. India were BLITZED. The most one sided series I've ever seen thus far! It will be Eng, SA and OZ at 1,2,3 sooner the better!

  • max234 on August 15, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    only indians go with the same team in all three formats.whereas others they try new players and they don't take them from one tour to other without giving them chances.Great teams like aus,sa take chances with their new players but we always go for tried and tested players but in the end we lose.look pakistan every alternate series they have a one uncapped bowler and he does well on that day.but we give our new players chances only when we win that series.its just demoralising.

  • blondblackberry on August 15, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    i'm happy with the indian team especially youngsters they play attacking cricket even kohli,rohit,tiwaria's.that's what modern cricket needs see what happened to english bowlers when even praveen-dhoni attacked.hope they do it in odi's.hav to say india lost 'cause of dravid's and laxman they help bowlers by defending boosting their confidence one has to play shots to keep them guessing.

  • blondblackberry on August 15, 2011, 4:32 GMT

    first i don't believe yougsters going to lose out. as dhoni's explanation of lack of technique is acceptable think of sehwag does he hav a sound one but he won two wisden awards and team of all time greats.second,every team plays 70-80% matches in home so, india will play like invincibles at home.also,ur youngsters hav the belief and coirage to fight it out.soon india wil b back with a bang.atleast india won a series in england what did they do in india even in worldcup?

  • srini.cech on August 15, 2011, 4:18 GMT

    No matter how badly we play you cannot start questioning the age of the players in the test setup now. if you expect that the likes of raina, yuvraj kohli and sharma to immediately replace what dravid laxman and sachin have done for so many years then we are sorely mistaken and england would have dismissed us within 200 itself. this is not the slam bang version of cricket where power precedes skill. we saw our indian players huff and puff even when it was the 3rd day of the game. and these senior players have more than 125 test matches for india which is no mean feat considering the amount of respect we give players who lose form. when we had to bat and stay at the crease to save the game these so called replacements decided it was t20 time and got out to rash shots. whatever happens you need experience in test sides.

  • harsoo on August 15, 2011, 4:02 GMT

    This should be a wake up call for India. In this series, India's weakness in all departments was exposed. Batsmen, bowlers, fielders, selectors and administration all are equally to be blamed. Bowling failed for India, bowling was never India's forte. But batting failure despite the presence of so called "big 3" is simply not excusable. With so many years of experience, there was no reason why India couldn't score past 300 in any innings so far. Tendulkar will score 100th 100 in next match on a flat track and he will be forgiven. But the fact remains that he is past his prime. Just because he still loves cricket doesn't mean he should be in the team. Even Gavaskar, Kapil, Bedi and other starts still love cricket. Does that mean we should include them as well in the team? India needs to start looking senior's replacements, now, if they want to be in the top three. Zak is a spent force and we need some quality fast bowlers as well. Batsmen put you in position, bowlers win you matches.

  • htenneti on August 15, 2011, 4:00 GMT

    The truth is that a weary, tired, old (in age) Indian side lost to an inform, determined, focused and motivated English team. India has never done so badly in England in a long time, even the average teams of the 90's under Azhar did better. Reasons can be many, but the main reason in my opinion is lack of preparedness, we took the tour for granted, none of the seniors showed interest, no rigorous training camp, no practice matches!!! you do not expect to win if you do not work hard. The teams in any sport who have been champions, have remained so because once on top they work harder and are more determined. We did not do the same, we rested on our laurels and gave the excuse that we were tired!!! There's no simple way out of this mess, we have a big season ahead with Australia tour, the only way out is to work harder and prepare better. Also its time for Sachin, Rahul, Laxman to start the transition process, likes of Kohli, Yuvi, raina have to be groomed- no choice.

  • on August 15, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    Based on the heavy defeat in three consecutive tests against England after playing in lively wickets, I have the following suggestions to BCCI:

    1) Select aspiring young cricketers and train them for playing in lively pitches like those pitches we witnessed, where our current batsmen and bowlers had no clue how to bat or bowl.

    2) Divide the pool of players into two teams based on their capability in playing in the so called lively pitches.

    3) Use the group of players, who are just capable of playing in the subcontinent conditions and amassing runs and wickets for the matches being played in India.

    4) Use the group of players, who are good and have good endurance limit for the overseas tours expecting the pitches are extremely lively.

    5) This way, the players can also have enough rest. This may sound bit funny, but after witnessing the pathetic performance by the current team in the three tests, I had to express my feelings in this way.

  • gautam.met on August 15, 2011, 3:57 GMT

    Let us accept the fact that Indian bowling is not even 5th or 6th best in the world at this moment. Just leave out Zaheer khan and you will find no other bowler even come closer to be part of international team. They lack skills, consistency..... Speed is not the only thing you need to be successful. There was a clear difference in the line and length bowled by Indian and English bowler. I didn't see Anderson or Brensan going above 140 every time..

    Except last test, I guess all other games were evenly poised and england's lower order took the game away from us. BCCI need to have a very clear plan who is in the team and what is the role... You can't include Vinay kumar into Test team because he played 3-4 T20 games.

  • on August 15, 2011, 3:44 GMT

    ...........................too much cricket...IPL is killing Test... but ...who talks...

  • on August 15, 2011, 3:29 GMT

    I think bowling is more concerning issue than batting. If we analyze the 3 test matches so far played in the series, of course England dominated all the departments but mostly it was their bowlers who brought them in such a position with their wickets and crucial contributions to the team total with their responsible and useful batting. What about the Indian bowlers? In bowler friendly conditions and pitches of England they couldn't get 20 wickets, they even failed to get the tailenders (like broad, bresnan etc) on occasions which caused the result. I just can't realize what is the reason behind playing such rubbish bowlers like Sreesanth etc... I think India needs a quick resolution on their bowling attack ASAP, other wise we may soon fall around Zim or Bangladesh.

  • balachandar999 on August 15, 2011, 3:23 GMT

    India heading to there 65 Independence of the Nation. But we cant find a perfect fast bowler who can lead India team. Don't depend on single individual performance. India relevant on Zaheer khan more than Decade. India 126 Crores population density. English 20% not our population .But they had all in there BAGS. Dhoni has to re-grove. R.P.Singh ----Mufal Patel----Ashwin are all waiting. Senior and world best three are in the end of there carrer. Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman. Young and unique are all play for INDIA. Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir. Past is Past Dhoni Please we had to beat England in ODI's and T20.

  • on August 15, 2011, 3:13 GMT

    To me it seems a fate similar to the Australians. There was an era when all their good cricketers were playing at the same time. They won several series, taking them to No.1. The same happened to us, though it came a little late. Now that our older players have delivered by winning the world cup and have kept us at No.1 for almost 2 years, there should be no regrets losing it. It is a part of the game.

    What is important is to have a plan to come out of this situation. This I think is where we are all at sea. The board seems to be keen only on the material aspect of the sport, not caring about the development part of it.

  • on August 15, 2011, 2:28 GMT

    These are same players who once won us Test Series, only fault is that lack of preparation. That fault goes to BCCI for not giving enough time to get prepared for England Tour and Fletcher Duncan is not looking much ideal as Gary Kirsten was.BUT MAIN REASON WAS LACK OF PREPARATION, AND THAT IS ALL!

  • on August 15, 2011, 1:27 GMT

    many r thinking tat its the prob with seniors... but the actual problem is the positions they were batting in... if we change the positins then its going to be a brand new line up and wioll help to give a new look to the batting.....

  • hargreaves92 on August 15, 2011, 0:18 GMT

    Indian cricket is indeed in a deep, deep slump - one that I can't see them getting out of. It is their batting that's the most worrying as they've never had a world class bowling line up. Once Sachin, Dravid and Laxman retire the batting is just going to go further and further down hill. Sorry guys, its going to be 10 tests a year against Zim and Ban from now on.

  • 2929paul on August 14, 2011, 23:27 GMT

    Great cricketers don't become rubbish over night. There is naturally going to be a progressive slide of the older players but you cannot suddenly write off Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag and Dhoni just like that. What has happened is they have become victims of their own success, the BCCI's scheduling, the greed associated with the IPL and the burn out that once afflicted so many of England's cricketers before the England management (Duncan Fletcher in the main) took control of their playing contracts. If the Indian public is happy watching a load of overpaid has-beens and young wannabe's slogging a white ball around under floodlights for 20 overs, then these are the consequences. If you want something better, don't go to the IPL, go to watch the Tests and give them more importance in the eyes of the BCCI.

  • rDeepakKumar on August 14, 2011, 22:51 GMT

    @Sarangarajan: Not to forget. It was the team he selected that won the World Cup. So please stop the blame games and accept the reality. England were better in their home conditions. Lets see how they fare when they come to India. Remember we are still the World Champs and the Number 2 test side in the World. We were lingering in 4th and 5th places not long ago.

  • on August 14, 2011, 22:34 GMT

    it doesnt meant England is a better team. India always over rated. I think they just average team like NZ or Zimba. But India hv talent they will still make money without thinking future.

    hmm forget this series. After retirement of these three player they gonna loose against zimbabew and bangladesh.

  • on August 14, 2011, 22:18 GMT

    Some may argue that it was only a series, we have won many matches before. Why everyone pointing at us. Its not just another defeat. Its more of a humiliation. Three matches in a row and with huge margins. Here one interesting thing which should be noted that margin of defeat increased with every match played. So, you can not blame the poor preperation and climatization. If preperation and conditions were an issue then the performance of Indian team must have been improved with every match being played. But it happened the other way around. So stop putting excuses around. The problem is not with external factors rather these are internal factors. You cannot win matches on paper anymore. Big names are not guarantee of sucess rather its performance and ability that really matters. But i am afraid even these so called big Indian names are lacking the stamina and adjustability needed for the modern test game.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 14, 2011, 21:32 GMT

    @abhyudayj. Eng did not say, "its just one bad series, we won the 2005 Ashes at home" when they lost 5-0 in Aus and that could well be part of the reason why they won so convincingly in Aus 2nd the next time around. Also part of my problem is that same attitude of saying "Ind did well in SA." Did they win? Did they beat SA in any of the 2 series (the last one hurried) that they played in Ind before that one? Ask yourself did SA execute as well as this Eng team did? Don't forget Ind lost the first test by an innings in SA and ironically in the one match that they won, they did not score even 250 in either of their 2 innings. The prob with SA was they didn't bat deep enough to recover from the early losses and really stretch Ind's poor bowling and their back up bowlers weren't all that great. Ind need not brush this trashing off as an accident or they will be caught out again.

  • on August 14, 2011, 21:27 GMT

    Time for tough decisions. With all the respect for the achievements of Dravid, Tendulkar and Laxman (I am their biggest fan), they have to be spoken to and be asked to retire. No doubt, it is not the right way to do it; it would have been better for them to have taken this decision earlier. Time to put younger cricketers into the test team and groom them. Indian fielding is truly pathetic with old tired legs. There seemed to have been no enthusiasm shown by the fielders during this test series (Exception of wridhiman saha and probably suresh raina, who was quick in th field and got broad run out.) Sachin usually at slips is fielding on the boundary. Anyone knows why? Even yuvraj singh who used to be an exceptional fielder has slowed down considerably. Time for these seniors to take these decisions in the interest of future of Indian Cricket. Also Will Someone look at Harbajan Singh's Stats over the last few years please?

  • on August 14, 2011, 21:09 GMT

    When india wining then no 1 is blame. Butt there losing every 1 have to say something. WHAY

  • gothetaniwha on August 14, 2011, 20:58 GMT

    It seems to me all these former captains can see what needs to be done , but the chief selector can,t , going to Aussie with this ageing team will be the same result ,3/0 or4/0

  • Dronaa on August 14, 2011, 20:47 GMT

    These ex players who wake up everytime the team does badly, and then praises the team when they do wonders, I dont know what to make of them. One can understand the team doing badly, but they were simply outclassed by a team which made better use of the conditions. It used to happen when these ex-players were playing as well. The opposition used to score 400+ and when we batted 200 250 was al we could get. Australia 1992,1999 ,West Indies 1989 anyone ? And there is talk of blooding youngsters but where are they ? Most of them are like cats on a hot tin roof while facing bouncers, and are more interested in endorsements than slugging it out in the nets. BCCI and the selection panel need to take the fall for this for : 1. Bad planning 2. No backups, injured players get selected ( and this is not the first time this has happened) As for Srikanths comment, the amount of cricket's not a problem, its the replacements, which England had ready but we didnt. They had 2 of them, we had none

  • johnathonjosephs on August 14, 2011, 20:23 GMT

    Regain the position?!?!!? how can your regain something that was never yours? The whole world knew that when the contributions from Tendulkar, Dravid, and Laxman stopped, India is nowhere near a force in the Test Arena. Tendulkar and Laxman have been lacking in this series and Dravid is the only one still going strong. Unless the Indians play at home and rack up enough series to get the No. 1 Ranking again, they will not retain the positions unless they are No. 1 when their seniors retire

  • Hurricane08 on August 14, 2011, 20:14 GMT

    Why ask outsiders? Why not ask the team itself what they think went wrong? The answer most likely would be - we look at an individual like a Zaheer to prop us up. If the chips are down, we get demotivated easily. We throw ourselves at the ball only when absolutely necessary - we are ageing man - we can't hurt ourselves. Look at our captain himself - how many byes has he given away to medium pace? If he is relaxing, why shouldn't we?

  • on August 14, 2011, 19:58 GMT

    Raina, Yuvraj Singh..Test batsmen??!! Don't make me laugh. England spotted that those two batsmen don't like the short ball a few years ago, and nothing has changed...they still don't. Unless that is corrected...quickly, you can bet the Aussies, South Africans and the Pakistani quicks will be testing them out.

    One little thing, why do Pakistan seem to be able to produce fast bowlers regularly, and India, their next door neighbours, not?

  • on August 14, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    @Kris Srikanth : Comparing the other cricketing nation schedule to that of India is folly. England and Australia have better scheduling calendar,their priorities are also absolutely clear, both have high respect for test cricket. India have undue pressure of performing well even in T20 unlikely Aus, Eng who take T20 as refreshment and their players better concentrate on developing skills rather than on intense meticulous planning. And most importantly the promise on which IPL was introduce is just a stratagem on the part of BCCI. Forget about the breeding young talents we don't have even a single player who can befit the test or ODI squad and the options that we are having is a default filler. IPL organiser is in delusion of dominating cricket at global level. Importance of county is still recognised by serious cricketers, Aus domestic T20 is treading with frenetic pace and its position will also soon be realised.

  • physri on August 14, 2011, 19:37 GMT

    Hey Friends.... why dont we accept the fact that Indians are very poor when it comes to bouncy or Swing friendly tracks... India plays in SubContinent all the time & get away with all these... We manage to win using the slow ball bowlers.... A revolution is required... all the pitches in India should assist pacers to a certain extent, otherwise India will have to face this issue from time to time!!!!

    India has managed to win the WC 11 since it happened in India, same with the IPL, Indians fared well since they were Indian tracks... when the IPL happened in SA, all the Indian played very poorly.

  • on August 14, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    I do not know why so much hue and cry after just a series loss. Players also human being not a machine. We always keep the cricketers one day on the top and throw them out next day. Be cool the same team will come back good in the next series against Australia.

  • on August 14, 2011, 19:17 GMT

    I think BCCI should create a high performance tea from the core of the Emerging Players cup winnera nd junior U 19 teams, make them tour along side the Senior team and arrange matches for them with the local teams. Not only will they get to know the local conditions , they will get to interact more with the Senior team. In thelong run will help find direct replacement for each position.

  • on August 14, 2011, 19:07 GMT

    Looks like Patudi's words already coming to reality. Srikanth does not think there is problem with preparation.

    Here is the transalation for you Srikant: preparation means= being fit and may be practicing a few balls on concrete surfaces or grass surfaces. Not playing IPL until 3 days before a test. May be recruiting 100 young guys and teach them fast bowling/fitness/strength training..

  • kriskini on August 14, 2011, 18:16 GMT

    A record will remain for ever if India loses the last test. "The only team losing all tests in a series as #1 team" Any team some time or the other will take top ranking. But will they step down from #1 ranking by losing all tests in a series ?

  • on August 14, 2011, 18:07 GMT

    Funny the selector was the only one who noted that all 3 units failed batting, fieldin and bowling. The truth of the matter is after Aus lost their venom, india felt there was no real contender. England showed them they can't play sloppy and win test cricket and they need to have the same hunger that got them to the top to stay there. This team came to England with the attitude they have nothing to prove and ended up collecting their own remains off the grounds as Eng hit them like a runaway freight train.

  • on August 14, 2011, 18:06 GMT

    instead of criticising we should support the team. guys don't forget dis is same team which has given us lots of pride moments in last 2 years or so........

    INDIA will surely COME HARD..js w8 n WATCH ENG.

  • on August 14, 2011, 18:00 GMT

    come on India, Fight fight and fight should be the main theme among the Indian players mind.

  • abhyudayj on August 14, 2011, 17:52 GMT

    @neutral fan- why are every one discussing one bad series just it,india played well in south africa

  • abhyudayj on August 14, 2011, 17:48 GMT

    The time has come BCCI should make different team for longer and short version game

  • NairUSA on August 14, 2011, 17:46 GMT

    Easy to throw stones when the team is down. It is all up to the administrators to select players based on their current form and fitness. The board should establish a minimum level of fitness and should be willing to drop anyone who cannot satisfy that standard. Whether they play IPL or not, they should prove themselves to be eligible during a mandatory fitness certification camp before selection is finalized.

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:30 GMT

    Poor preparations, cut ipl days and give aging stars, some rest. I do not think we have good replacements. England would have beaten even the best, scoreline would have been diff.

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    All I can tell india will come back strong. Time will tell. Just keep waiting for the best.

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:18 GMT

    This is worst in Indian Cricket for long years to come.

    The only responsible for this BCCI,IPL and players them self.

    Instead of playing for country players are intertesd in playing in IPL

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:17 GMT

    Look like this team not playing to win the match, there is no team sprit, look like all playing as individuals, not as a team. Indian XI not a team its ELEVEN individuals. They loose the bond between them, Indian cricket suddenly look like in old bad days. Doubt this team won the world cup. Feel sympathy to this XI members. Please play for INDIA. Play for 100 crore peoples, all waiting to see the winning days, atleast give good news in last test? Big question is there is a gap after SACHIN, DRAVID and LAXMAN' era. No back up, whom we will trust?

  • Prasadmysore on August 14, 2011, 17:14 GMT

    We need to accept we were never @ No 1 spot before Dhoni boys conquerred. All the ex players are barking now & they never gained no 1 spot when they were palying. Boyz lets stop listening them & concentrate on the final test. We will win that match. Lets acheive the No 1 spot again beating australia. Answer the doubts & questions raised by better performances with ball & Bat, but not with words. Chappel is supporting australia before the start of the series but our ex-players are also supporting but australia again, speaking non sense....Shame. shame.... Lets respect the present Dhoni team as they won the No 1 spot for us for a first time in cricket history & lets beleive they will proud us agin in australia by regaining the No 1 spot. Selectors PS give Dhone good fast bowlers.

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:12 GMT

    Senior Players need to be repalced as early as possible with the Juniors.We need is the best allrounder .. IRFAN PATHAN would be the best player . He should be given an opportunity to show his talent in both Test and ODI 's .suresh raina needs to be given some rest .

  • Sarangarajan on August 14, 2011, 17:04 GMT

    The much acclaimed(?!!!?) Indian batting has been thoroughly exposed in England by England. It was a disgraceful performance.One is sure to compare that Srilanka which preceded India in England had performed far better than Indians in England. Barring one horrible session,which cost them a test and hence the series , Lankans had performed wthout Malinga and Murali. Now that the hype about being No 1 is over, hope we can do some reality check.I donot think either the selcetors or the BCCI has the inclination to do. Already they had disowned their part in this debacle. BCCI has no acumen to understand and rectifity its follies. It is more obsessed in making money and playing politics -and the selectors with clown Srikanth at the helm, is a bunch which has no foresight and wisdom. It is a sorry state of affairs for Indian cricket There is no poroblem in loosing- but the manner in which you loose hurts more. Will we ever learn? .

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 14, 2011, 17:03 GMT

    @Aarif Mohammed. Ifran Pathan is a joke. Get over him. His record when you remove Bangladesh and Zim is poor.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 14, 2011, 17:02 GMT

    Yup I agree with the "dreamy" part based on quite a few comments from Ind fans on Cricinfo over the past few days. They keep saying that they will be back in no time, they divert attention by saying oh well Eng will struggle with spin in the subcontinent, they say that Eng's bowlers will struggle in the subcontinent etc. If this mentality is shared by the players, they will not regain their status as a top test side. Eng are where they are because they never made excuses for their past poor performances, they never divert the attention to their opposition flaws after getting beaten and they have improved their batting vs spin (Mishra didn't run through them even when the pitch started to turn) and their bowling in non-swinging conditions (smashed Aus in non-swinging conditions). They also prepare with great intensity. I don't think they will dominate in the subcontinent but they will perform much better than Ind has in Eng.

  • on August 14, 2011, 17:00 GMT

    bring back badrinath in test team

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:54 GMT

    i love team india..i m with it watever happens

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on August 14, 2011, 16:45 GMT

    @Cricinfo, please publish my comments. Remove that Fletcher first. We should never opt for foreign coaches in the first place and Fletcher is a substandard product to start with. Foreign coaches will come into our dressing rooms and once their tenure is done, they will go with lots of information about our players' game. Next, remove Dhoni. He is a pathetic captain and a horrible batsman. His Captaincy deficiencies are there for everyone to see, once the players struggled a bit. His batting is as aweful as ever in test matches, especially overseas. We could easily go for 5 bowlers option if we have a topclass Batsman-Keeper (Dinesh Karthik) in his place.

  • waqarhashmi on August 14, 2011, 16:44 GMT

    BCCI should arrange few home series against weeker teams so,, so called big money making stars can pileup big scores..and record....well played england..

  • ramsharat on August 14, 2011, 16:44 GMT

    India needs to start grooming players like rohit sharma, pujara, kohli from now on. of the current youngsters these 3 have the ideal technique. Give them a series or two by resting the senior pros and then look forward!!!

  • josebinny84 on August 14, 2011, 16:41 GMT

    India have been struggling with fielding for some time, so we need younger players, but none of them are good enough to play short ball and temperament is questionable. India has a declining main spinner and premier fast bowler who struggles with injuries. We need suitable replacements. I still dont know why Dravid is fielding in slips, because i believe he has lost his reflexes. I believe Pragyan Ojha should be our main spinner in tests. Its been a decade since our team collectively failed in all departments like this before Ganguly became leader. So dissappointed with this, BCCI are to blame for such packed schedule. I dont know why they conducted IPL a week after World Cup. It should have been 1 month rest then WI tour then ENG tour. Now I even doubt that, If Gayle was available for WI what would have been our fate? Questions remain about Captaincy, Batting, bowling and Fielding.

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:32 GMT

    We have tamely handed over the series and No 1 spot. India must try their bench ( not strength as their cupboard looks bare) Lets lose with new players- Virat in place of Raina, Pragyan in place of Mishra, Munaf in place of Sresannth and RP Singh in place of Ishant. Lets rest these players for ODI and T20. Sehwag cannot bowl and throw so why take him, Gambhir dosent look like himself. Dravid will drop catches and not score the runs, Sachin and laxman looks sorted out. Raina should stay back in England for one more year to know to play short ball. How come england bowlers can produce wicket taking balls and Indians cannot, Ishant needs to pitch it up he bowls short , Sreesanth looks for divine help without his own efforts. Mishra has a googly or not? Thanks for depressing us

  • MAK123 on August 14, 2011, 16:29 GMT

    When will the Indian fans wake up to the reality and accept that the Indian team is a bunch of good-for-nothing advertising models. They are great players but only on the dead asphalted pitches of India. They would score millions of runs at Banglore, Chinnai or Mumbai but when it comes to UK, Australia or pitches in South Africa, they show their real color. Oh by the way, I didn't see any reactions from Ravi Shastri and Gavaskar.......oops, sorry, i forgot they are on the BCCI payroll:-)

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:27 GMT

    Its good to see typical blame game in sub continent teams. Chief selector blames on batters and analysts blame on administrators. But in reality the top spot comes and goes, its been happening with all teams. WI used to rule the cricket world and look it them now. Aussies were on top for so long in all formats and once key players retire and team goes down for a while and in mean while other teams take advantage. Like in this situation, honestly, India didn't really climb on top spot, it was only because other top teams had their own building up periods and thats where Team India benefited with top spot. And now it comes around to our corner that our key players are about to retire and not upto their top form so other teams like England have taken advantage. And they really have earned this position by beating all good teams in recent past. So just take it easy and let the transition take place and the team will perform again.

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    well eyesight giving away at 35 to 38.....mr arun lal had a bad eye sight even at earlier age.....lol...... i just cant believe these senior players......they comment on current great players without acheiving even an iota of what these have achieved... India not being such a good abroad team was a reputation bulit by our older player of 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, where they just kept losing a series year after with loads of preparation time....practice match..... Indian team being a no.1 team in test match, world cup champs would not have been possible if we had listened to these 'older players' advice after 2007 world cup debacle.....they wanted everyone to retire in 2007 after world cup exit..... common guys, dont be like broken record......just keep repeating the same thing whenever india lose....

  • cricket_lover1 on August 14, 2011, 16:26 GMT

    Indian team needs couple of fast bowling alrounders..specially in Test matches...otherwise the problems with impotent bowling attack will keep on haunting India....I hope BCCI & selectors listening...

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:24 GMT

    yes this is the worrying factor for india...as srikanth says if indian batting clicks everything will come alive..our bowlers will have some runs to bowl with..iam sure that india will only get better after this forgettable tour

  • serious-am-i on August 14, 2011, 16:17 GMT

    Aarif please keep Irfan pathan out of this, his time is over & he doesn't seem to be interested in improving his game to get back to the national side. Praveen is much better than Irfan now. We need a better bowling all rounder. BCCI groom talent in all departments including spin, pace, top order batsmen, middle order. Try to give incentives to those who field well, at least over then may be our fielding standards could improve.

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:14 GMT

    We can not blame players but BCCI as Indian cricket needs a better competitive league in longer format which can provide back up players. May we have a league of 5 day matches between IPL teams with reducing the original IPL.

  • subraasiva on August 14, 2011, 16:11 GMT

    India is not short of talent,preparation or experience.......Only their fatigue and tight schedule is the reason.Still after the humiliating defeat BCCI wont change the method or schedule as said by Pataudi.

  • on August 14, 2011, 16:06 GMT

    If India loose the series 4-0, then it is better to stay in England itself and from their you can join Australia to fly to Australia. Remember one thing, we fans can cheer for you and also at the same time we can make others(especially Pakistan peoples) cheer.

  • ShadowofRa on August 14, 2011, 16:04 GMT

    This is not the time to criticize the Indian Team, they have to tell suggestions to improve. India does having good player but the combination not suits well. They need to bring a right combination. We need an all rounder like Irfan Pathan and spin combination Ashwin and Amit, they are top spinners who can bowl well. Just give rest to one Fast bowler and give opportunity to a new one.

  • abhipba on August 14, 2011, 15:58 GMT

    as for as my words pls for god sake thrown out kris srikant .and other selectors

  • on August 14, 2011, 15:51 GMT

    English County Cricket experience had been highly beneficial to tone up many "'national" players (not only from India, but also from other countries) to a truly "international " level. Senior players and administrators used to help youngsters to get county contracts. I don't see that happening now. Not only Kohli, Sharma. Raina, Gambhir & Yuvaraj - as Kumble said, but also all the members of the Emerging Players Team currently touring Australia and bowlers like Kumar, Ishant, Sreeshant, Munaf, Mishra & Ashwin should be helped to get County Cricket experience. Talent Identification & Development Committee should be revived and tasked with executing such a, or similar plans in a time bound and phased manner over the next three years. Their induction into the Indian team & retirement of the senior players should be planned and executed professionally. India, in such a scenario, has potential to regain a pre-eminent position in the international cricket. But, who, within the BCCI care?

  • 2461 on August 14, 2011, 15:47 GMT

    bring in ashwin......................

  • on August 14, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    Mr.Srkanth, please resign and save Indian cricket. How do you say fatigue is not a factor.Indian fans are knowledgeable enough to understand the reasons and with tough series ahead of them,IPL has sucked the blood out of the players. I would like whether our players are empowered enough to say that they want rest. Felt sad when Sachin opted out of West Indies Tour(Very well knowing that he wont get another chance to tour Carribean but many more IPL's).England deserve to be number 1 and as a true fan of the game I continue to marvel at how ECB has prioritized Test Cricket infact gone ahead and appointed 3 different Captain for 3 versions.Kudos to Michael Clarke for skipping the Big Bash and players even of the like of Ravi Bopara who skipped IPL to gain a place in Test Team despite not being a regular in England XI.And dont know if injury was that serious to the extent he cant even withstand 3 overs in tour game, why Zaheer didn't raise the red flag? V rn't professional enough 2 b no.1

  • tsumesh on August 14, 2011, 15:46 GMT

    The difference is Gary Kirsten, Bring him back or search for good coach.

  • ultimatewarrior on August 14, 2011, 15:45 GMT

    People who think this is end of Indian Cricket why don't they see drubbing of England in Australia by 5-0 in 2007 and within 4 years England defeated Australia by 3-1 as well as leading India by 3-0. Likewise India lost in NZ heavily in 2002 and goes to final of world cup 2003. So its a cycle a team sometimes looses and sometimes wins. India should look forward ahead and quickly learn the lessons.....Indian Fans should be optimistic.

  • akasavani on August 14, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    K.Srikkanth has turned out to be a psychphant in disguise in his selectorial role. Selecting his favorites and not taking accountability.

  • on August 14, 2011, 15:27 GMT

    Team India goes under Scanner.....Time for reality check? Not for talent but for preparation!!! Itz still a long way before they can be written off, they need our support and hope. Letz give them one more chance and wait till the results of the Aussie tour comes out!!!

  • on August 14, 2011, 15:26 GMT

    I am surprised to see the comments Srikkanth and I feel this is the line BCCI is going to take. I am agreed with Sourav Ganguly that there is no wrong in losing a test but losing three consecutive tests with such margin is definitely a problem. I wish BCCI should take it as wake up call and do necessary things before Australia tour and before we further go down in rankings.

  • assam.beckons on August 14, 2011, 14:50 GMT

    Sachin, Dravid and VVS are heroes of our generation. They have delighted us since our teens till today. We do not want them to whimper away looking bad, NO. Please, please, please...the people out there in BCCI, please take this seriously. We do not need an IPL. A very good domestic circuit too can draw crowds, like in England. I remember the 2nd of April, Wankhede and remember Sachin's childlike happiness. Lets continue that tradition and make the big three THE big three of Indian cricket forever.

  • TRAM on August 14, 2011, 14:50 GMT

    I have only one question for the selectors. If the seniors come back home and score centuries in flat tracks will this Eng tour failure be treated as one-off bad form ,and ignored?? Are we all waiting eternally for the seniors to perform some day, so that we can again start calling them 'the gods' and 'the greats' and keep them for another 2 years? Why wouldn't the yard stick applied to youngsters like Badri/Mukund etc (in dropping them after 3/4 failures) be not applied to seniors? When will the seniors ever be dropped? I agree the youngsters have not succeeded to the extent we wanted. But the experienced seniors have failed even more miserably. We have hope with youngsters because they field better and jack up the morale of the team. And youngsters can learn. Lets not forget that the seniors are liability in the field, including Dravid who dropped an expensive catch in the 1st test.

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:40 GMT

    This is not really a slide for the best Indian side,this is just an alarm for the Indian side that their approach towards England bowlers is not the correct one.Indians allowed England bowlers to dominate in all Eng Bowling sessions,no one attacked bowlers except Praveen kumar,not even India's most experienced Sachin,Dravid,VVS.The thing is Mental strength and appetite for runs.these things really make strong and ruthless in their attack..For the bowlers they need variation and should have their own tactics to catch their pray,they need to set perfect fielding for their bowling.When we compare england bowlers they keep on building pressure towards Indian batsmen in all their sessions by keeping two slips two gully along wid wicketkeeper and also they bowled accordingly,this made Indian batsmen to be very careful in their shot selection but its too difficult to concentrate on each and every ball and finally their lack of concentration took their wicket out of their hands..

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:38 GMT

    Losing one test is alright as we might lose a test here and there but losing three tests in a row with the margins getting bigger .... Its plain ridiculous.... and more ridiculous is srikkanth saying the India failed because batting didnt click and bowling and fielding was not good.... But the question is .. why? Are we not coming to the same point.... Fatigue...

  • arpzzz on August 14, 2011, 14:37 GMT

    India was outplayed during this 3 test matches, But that doesnot make Dhoni unsuccessful captain. Under Captaincy of Ganguly and Kumble also, India suffered such humiliating defeats. This team won World Cup for India and inagural T-20 championship also, No other former player had lead India to glory iin all 3 formats of game. It is easy to criticise, but this team can perform again.

  • mrcool on August 14, 2011, 14:32 GMT

    Raina is not fit for odi also.how he can play so many test matches.

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:30 GMT

    There is no need to show such panic reactions. Every big team had such series losses. India will recover. No doubts about that

  • CricketingStargazer on August 14, 2011, 14:29 GMT

    The quote fom Kris Srikkanth says it all. No lessons will be learnt and, with a tour of Australia to come (India couldn't win there even against a weakened Australia when at the height of thei powers), the decline may not end here. Austalia will want revenge for the last tour of India and will expect to get it.

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:15 GMT

    india is gonna win oval match and then in australia 3-1...n england vl lose in srilanka by a minimum of 1-0 n i hope they play aginst pakistan in dubai n nt again at home.we will then see..how good this English side is ...

    6 months time....

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:13 GMT

    INDIA in need of batting all rounder (IRFAN Pathan ) in every format of the game.....

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    Well arun lal is a grt player and yes indian team have a lot aged player they may not be active in the feild as the young one and may have fitness problem lack of stamina in some cases ....but commn' low eyesight at the age of 35 or 38 is to early

  • on August 14, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    At last Kumble suggested to have Rohit in tests, thinking who would say this. Kumble can be a member of selection committee rather than having him in Karnataka Cricket Board, why not BCCI consider our players for coaching perspective. We have Javagal Sreenath, Anil Kumble and Sourav Ganguly also M Azharuddin. I think foreign caches need time to get adapted, local talents and Great Players do not need...

  • Raj12345 on August 14, 2011, 13:58 GMT

    " Kumble said. "We have Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir. Please don't these players again except Gambhir. Please say we have some more players not tested and sitting outside and these players have great control over team selection and not allowing new players like Rahane, Pujara, MK Tiwary, SS Tiwary, Pandey & Badri etc. There is good WK is emerging Gautam, no one noticing. Why not DK is given chance in test in spite of Raina & Kohli, what mistake DK is done in test. If you give more chance to Raina & Yuvi and why not DK one more. He is good middle order batsman than Kohli & Raina in test. It is simple fact, you can't touch some set of players and their place, doesn't matter they qualify to play test or not.

  • indyarox on August 14, 2011, 13:20 GMT

    I think India will slide to atleast 4 or 5 number soon. ENG, SA, SL, AUS look good to occupy the top 4 positions for sometime now. India will struggle as thier bowling doesnt seem world class and batting will not be same with pending retirements of the big 3 soon. Don't think Indian fans should expect much from this side. Maybe good at home but will be woeful away.. Back to 80s and early 90s.

  • ish038 on August 14, 2011, 13:11 GMT

    kumble is right. now india should give chance to the young players. it is high time they realized that. no disrespect to dravid,laxma n and tendulkar, but what'll happen when they retire.their stat will be one of a kind but the future india test team will be weaker than most other teams.

  • JustIPL on August 14, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    With due respect to mr. kumble if Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Suresh Raina, Yuvraj Singh, Gautam Gambhir are the investments for future and that for tests then you are upto struggle bangladesh and zim as well. After the exit of aussies india held the spot that was their own while england have filled the gap left by aussies. it was defensive indian approach that sparked decline. their approach in WI was a burden for the fans where india just wanted to draw aand keep the spot. even in ODIs they won 3-2 which does not suit WC holders. I forsee a whitewash in england for inddia in ODIs as well.

  • rahulcricket007 on August 14, 2011, 13:00 GMT

    completely agree wth ganguly & pataudi that losing three matches in a row and with the defeat margin increasing is a bit of worry . this team needs some changes . suresh raina should be thrown out of the team for a while . the problem with the indian test team is that we don't have bench strength to replace the big 3 . in odis we have kohli , raina , rohit , gambhir , yuvraj , dhoni . all are less than 30 years old . similarly we should have the bench strength in tests too.

  • popcorn on August 14, 2011, 12:56 GMT

    India will plumett in Test rankings. Soon Laxman,Dravid and Tendulkar will retire.The new crop is fed oin IPL technique.Move over Bangladesh, India wants company!

  • addiemanav on August 14, 2011, 12:51 GMT

    If the seniors think its a bad dream and a one-off..and if bcci still doesnt learn than be prepared to lose the australian series as well!!55 days of ipl and 15 days of CL will damage the rest of 290 days of intl cricket for india!!we were no.1 in hockey for 40 yrs!!then when it went down we believed its a passing phase!!now we dont even qualify for olympics!if we do the same mistake in cricket,we will be the losers!!

  • MartinC on August 14, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    I understand the focus on replacing the 'big 3' batsmen - it's clearly a huge challenge to replace the runs and experience of one all time great, one great and one very good test batsman.

    The bigger issue facing Indian cricket to me looking in as an outsider (I'm English) is how/where you find a bowling attack capable of taking 20 wickets on a regular basis in all conditions. I think you need to look at the wickets on which you play your home cricket. If you want to develop high class seam bowlers give them pitches with some grass on to encourage them and make your young batsmen develop techniques to play the moving ball and short pitched bowling.

  • itsganu on August 14, 2011, 12:29 GMT

    Bring Ganguly Back :-) . None of the youngsters have performed n this series. Time is up for Raina (just a T20 player) we need to play with Pujara for Raina and other test possibilities are Rahane,Rohit sharma (Because better than others).These are the certainties in Test cricket for India.

    Now the problem is we have WestIndies series in India.All the youngsters like Raina will play and score 50 they go to Australia to score ducks.

    Leave our Raina and look at Pujara,Rahane,Rohit SHarma in the same order and move on.

  • RK.Chandru on August 14, 2011, 12:27 GMT

    Each and every individual of the team and the team as a whole stands thoroughly exposed. shame on them! we call them greats when they can't perform in alien atmospheres and can only perform in flat home pitches. what happened to our great pace bowlers? they looked pedestrian and hardly posed any threat. Ishant and Harbajan deserve to be dropped. Let Tendulkar call it a day. We can not give him series after series to score his 100th ton. Dhoni looked bereft of ideas and save for the final test, looked thoroughly out of sorts with the bat. Why is it always the TN players made the scapegoats? while the whole team failed, why drop Mukund alone and that too after scoring that 100 in the practice game while others failed to make an impact even in that game? Mukund is a lot better than Raina when it come to test cricket. Failure in an innings is ok; understandable. Failing repeatedly can not be digested by any means. Team India has shown the world that, they don't deserve to be world No.1

  • on August 14, 2011, 12:14 GMT

    Why are we just talking about grooming youngsters for replacing the Big 4? Why don't any one talk about the utter disappointing created by our bowlers? A world no.1 team hasn't fallen because of its batting but because of its bowlers. Not one bowler has the ability to take a wicket at any given time. I feel Zimbabwe has way good bowling attack than India. For a moment Former Captains realize the truth that its not batting the most worrying but the bowling. No team can stay atop with pure batting for so long india has stayed there thanks to the Big 4 who were the driving force.

    Please please please groom fast bowlers. I don't understand why we have the worlds best bowling coaching academy "The MRF Pace foundation" and could not produce world class bowlers. I see many coming there for other nations like Chaminda Vaas for srilanka and many. Why not for our own country? BCCI please look into cricketing things also apart from money that you make.

  • bumsonseats on August 14, 2011, 12:12 GMT

    its obvious whats needed, the big 3 need to be thanked and told that the end of the road in their case has been reached. they may be able to produce a final act to the batting, but their general fittness, eyes, and bodies can no longer take 5 day cricket ( or 3 1/2 day cricket ) today a dropped catch, or simply not seeing the bowl. younger men have to be tried, bit late, but pace bowlers have to be found. and grounds produced offering help to guys who bend their backs and payment given to them. send them to england to play for county 2nd elevens. the days of making featherbed tracks should finish. and rid india of a bcci that sticks their heads in the sand and thinks just as they have the most money automatically mean they r the best. dpk

  • on August 14, 2011, 12:08 GMT

    Im not sure that India can improve a lot..Indian young batsmen should practise hard for coping with pace attack..

  • Pritt32 on August 14, 2011, 12:02 GMT

    The BCCI is too blind to see how what is happening with Indian test cricket. I agree with what former India's captains comments.The board is putting too much faith in players who are not test standard players. Raina, Kholi, Y.Singh Mistra and Sharma are club level players than test standard players. Veternans of Indian cricket will not play long and seem to have lost their hunger to play test cricket. The IPL and 20-20 promotes entertainment and it all about money. Academies need to be set up to spot talent and invest players for test cricket. The ways things are managed and operated within BCCI needs radical changes, otherwise India will struggle in test arena and head direction way West Indies cricket following their dominance. England is heading the right direction and are far superior as a test nation than India are at present. Sri Lanka played miles better than India against England and that is a worrying sign. I hope the message get into their head; otherwise darker days loom.

  • on August 14, 2011, 11:57 GMT

    Players who don't know how and when to use UDRS, should be forced to retire.... lol :P

  • myview4u41179 on August 14, 2011, 11:51 GMT

    I feel we already have talent,, the true talent will come out when they are left to fight out for 1 or 2 years without seniors,, ( i mean sachin, dravid and laxman)

    Iknow for sure that sachin wants to play till 42.... but he needs to think of indian cricket first.....

  • on August 14, 2011, 11:47 GMT

    I don't understand why u writers keep blaming poor old tendulkar for every mess Indian team finds itself in. The reality is, the man has proven himself time and time agai to be fitter and more competent than any of the younger batsmen hoping to take his place. I don't think things would have been any better for indian batting had tendulkar not been in this squad. These veterans are the best India can offer at the moment, they are time tested and better suited to handle any pressure situation than youngsters. The only reason why Indian batting crumbled despite its 'armor of god' is the foolish IPL...

  • CricketChat on August 14, 2011, 11:46 GMT

    It is clear that senior pros like Sachin, Dravid and Laxman will not retire on their own despite only sporadic performances in the past 3-4 yrs. Ind needs to do an Aussie act when they nudged out their greats like, Border, Taylor, Waugh and even Ricky (recently forcing him to give up captaincy and return to ranks) when the time called for it. It is time to give up sentimental attachment for Ind selectors and take unpopular decisions to build the team for future if they are really interested to help Ind cricket.

  • on August 14, 2011, 11:42 GMT

    Blood and develop young players is the way to go for India, England experimented with many players, captains and coaching staff before finally getting it right. It doesn't happen overnight but it took more than 10 years for england from being the worst team in test cricket in 1999 to no. 1 in 2011. West Indies, never recovered, Australia have gone through a long transition and still play thinking they are the best team in the world, India would need to reassess its playing list. It is about discovering good players early who have the potential to make it at test level, not blood 30 somethings like australia have done for a long time. Sri lanka are going through transition without Murali, Zimbabwe are back, the only other really good team is South Africa. They seem to have the talent and the group of players to match england.

  • on August 14, 2011, 11:29 GMT

    I am sure india will be back in form soon..(:

  • MiddleStump on August 14, 2011, 11:21 GMT

    Here we go again! The series has not yet ended, but the blame is already attributed to 35 and 38 year olds. Have these people done any analysis before offering 'expert' opinion? As an example, I for one would be very happy to see a comparison between the scores of 'I can't face a short ball' Raina with Tendulkar or Dravid. It was the old Dravid who scored two centuries. It was Tendulkar who tried gamely in the second innings at Trent Brdige and at Edgbaston when most others had already conceded the match. I am all for playing youngsters but not the likes of Raina, Yuvraj, or Rohit Sharma who lack basic technique and temperament for test cricket. Sadly those are the 'best' youngsters available in India at the moment due to the enormous damage caused by the IPL. Thank god Arun Lal and Kumble are not selectors.

  • KiwiRocker- on August 14, 2011, 11:05 GMT

    One problem that is visible with Indian team is that their bench strength is close to zero. For example Suresh Raina, Kohli and Rohit are all over hyped, tried, tested and failed. These players will score big on flat Indian tracks but will be found out against quality fast bowling of England, SA, Australia and Pakistan. Things get even worse in the bowling department. R.ashwin and Mishra are average bowlers who are not Saeed Ajmal or Swann. Harbhajan Singh is all but finished. The worse area is fast bowling. India's current or upcoming lot does not have a single quality bowlers. It is rather strange actually when you look at neighbouring Pakistan's endless resources-They lost their two premier bowlers but unleashed Wahab, Gul, Junaid, Tanveer, Sohail Tanveer..and list goes on. Any of those bowlers will find a place in any Indian team.It is time that BCCI reviews its cunning plan to ruin cricket in other countries AKA IPL as it has started to hit India's own cricket big time...

  • aravabalaji on August 14, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    In fact, Yuvi & Raina were given a very long rope. It would have been better if someone like Badrinath, Pujara, Rehane were persisted with in Test team rather than going with star value. After all, these players toiled enough in the domestic circuit with creditable record and were still waiting to break into the higher level. It is a pity that a player like Badri, who has an average of >62 in 100 matches with 30 centuries to his credit, still looking up to selectors & team management for a place which he rightfully deserves. Given the level of consistency displayed by him, he has a minimum of 5-6 yrs of cricket in him. Enough of politics!

  • on August 14, 2011, 10:20 GMT

    A 45 year old dravid, tendulkar or laxman would still be better then playing raina. India need to test Rohit Sharma at test level. Virat Kohli failed in his debut series, but must be perservered with because everyone can see he is a great player who has excelled in ODI cricket, he has a good technique so should be able to adjust to test cricket. Rahane is another young batsman who i feel has done enough to warrant selection also. Sreesanth is a hopeless bowler and should be dropped for good, Harbhajan isnt the wicket taker he used to be and india can afford to check out some of the other talent around, Mishra, Ashwin, Ohja and rahul sharma. Irfan Pathan and RP Singh are worth another try. Praveen is good, Ishant has to be there because he is a genuine wicket taker, tho inconsistent. Zaheer is dearly missed but a team cant rely on just one player to take 20 wickets

  • rahulcricindia on August 14, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    mr laal who himself played just two test matches for india surely does not know what pressure is all about....when the opposition team is scoring more than 500 two or three times obviously our batsman would come under immense pressure ..look at the way they gave away 420 runs in 3rd day of trent bridge test what the batsman can do....how can they play under the pressure of so many runs....no matter how good the english pitch is but these pitches generally offer around 400 runs if the deck is flat ....no english pitch is 700 runs belter...i think it is more of the bowler fault than batsman...if india would be doing well no one would have talked about the seniors reflexes...to just remind it is SACHIN who made draw possible in SA..it was laxman who won us against the aussies ....it was rahul who toiled here in england not the so called young blood ....these young blood are so coldblodded ...that they can not even sustain for one over of short pitch first find good replacment than talk.

  • JPB334 on August 14, 2011, 9:48 GMT

    India very bad test nation. Only number 1 because of BCCI money. India losing 4 nil in England and then 4 nil in Australia will show India who is the boss of this fighting test matching cricket.

  • on August 14, 2011, 9:47 GMT

    People talking about slowing down of reflexes and weakening of eye sight, Dravid has had a successful campaign with 302 runs at avg. of 60.40. Tendulkar and Laxman have not had a good series with 159 & 156 runs at avg. of 26.50 & 26.00 respectively.

    But what about the youngsters? Raina has 105 runs at avg. of 17.50 and Mukund has 64 runs at avg. of 16.00. Do they deserve to be in the Test team? Why dont they pick players like Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Pujara & Jaffer?

    And all the speculation about Sehwag being India's saviour in thrid test!! He might have just made a world record of getting out in both innings of a Test match with first ball duck - two golden ducks for an opening batsman in single test!!

    What about bowlers? Are they anywhere near compared to England's bowling attack?

    Dhoni & Srikkanth should let their CSK mates alone and pick players real test players like R Sharma, Kohli, Pujara, Jaffer, in future instead of Raina, Mukund, M Vijay, etc.

    TESTS are different than T20s!!

  • aarpee2 on August 14, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    Of the over 35s,Arun Lal forgets Rahul made 2 hundred's,VVS 2 fifities while the under 30's could have helped with better contributions rather than submit tamely. Platform set up in the first innings of the second test with England at 124 for 8 was squandered and later with INDIA AT 273 FOR 5 surrendered and thus an opportunity to stage a come back in the series lost.

  • on August 14, 2011, 9:36 GMT

    its good we lost the number 1 ranking because it was inevitable. Laxman, Dravid and Tendulkar need to be squeezed out of the side in the next couple of years. Some of them might go after the Australia tour if India win or wait for England's tour of India in 18 months time. Then Pujara, Rahane, Kholi, Sharma, Raina, Mukhund, Dhawan, the Tiwary's need to be given time and coached heavily in overseas conditions and not just on flat tracks so their talent can be fulfilled everywhere. The bowling is worrying and like batting the IPL doesn't help, there is no one with potential apart from a couple of spinners and no one fast enough who can bowl high 80s, low 90s with control.

  • spinkingKK on August 14, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    I agree with Arun Lal. India needed an awakening from the dream run they were having. One can see that Tendulkar looked like at his best when he is scoring. But, he fails to last long. It is a sign that someone's getting old and losing his concentration to build a long a innings. Same can be said of Laxman. But, I still beleive Laxman got another year or two left in him and his failure is only an aberration. Dravid always played his game as if he was facing the most fearsome attack in the universe. So, it is hard to tell if he is also decliing. But, he is still scoring. God knows how long. He is dropping catches for sure. It is unfortunate that Yuvraj got injured. He looked very good when he was playing his shots. With the age on his side, he would have been great to have. We need somebody like Ravi Shastri, who will grab his opportunity and put his head down to score a double, triple or quadriple century when you finally get a pitch on which you can score some runs.

  • on August 14, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Well I think Sachin, Dravid and Laxman should play for another 2 years. Raina cant play the short ball, Kohli cant play the short ball aswell thier mindset is T20 not Test cricket. They need to defend or duck under the shot ball not play a ugly pull shot

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  • on August 14, 2011, 8:18 GMT

    Well I think Sachin, Dravid and Laxman should play for another 2 years. Raina cant play the short ball, Kohli cant play the short ball aswell thier mindset is T20 not Test cricket. They need to defend or duck under the shot ball not play a ugly pull shot

  • spinkingKK on August 14, 2011, 9:35 GMT

    I agree with Arun Lal. India needed an awakening from the dream run they were having. One can see that Tendulkar looked like at his best when he is scoring. But, he fails to last long. It is a sign that someone's getting old and losing his concentration to build a long a innings. Same can be said of Laxman. But, I still beleive Laxman got another year or two left in him and his failure is only an aberration. Dravid always played his game as if he was facing the most fearsome attack in the universe. So, it is hard to tell if he is also decliing. But, he is still scoring. God knows how long. He is dropping catches for sure. It is unfortunate that Yuvraj got injured. He looked very good when he was playing his shots. With the age on his side, he would have been great to have. We need somebody like Ravi Shastri, who will grab his opportunity and put his head down to score a double, triple or quadriple century when you finally get a pitch on which you can score some runs.

  • on August 14, 2011, 9:36 GMT

    its good we lost the number 1 ranking because it was inevitable. Laxman, Dravid and Tendulkar need to be squeezed out of the side in the next couple of years. Some of them might go after the Australia tour if India win or wait for England's tour of India in 18 months time. Then Pujara, Rahane, Kholi, Sharma, Raina, Mukhund, Dhawan, the Tiwary's need to be given time and coached heavily in overseas conditions and not just on flat tracks so their talent can be fulfilled everywhere. The bowling is worrying and like batting the IPL doesn't help, there is no one with potential apart from a couple of spinners and no one fast enough who can bowl high 80s, low 90s with control.

  • aarpee2 on August 14, 2011, 9:39 GMT

    Of the over 35s,Arun Lal forgets Rahul made 2 hundred's,VVS 2 fifities while the under 30's could have helped with better contributions rather than submit tamely. Platform set up in the first innings of the second test with England at 124 for 8 was squandered and later with INDIA AT 273 FOR 5 surrendered and thus an opportunity to stage a come back in the series lost.

  • on August 14, 2011, 9:47 GMT

    People talking about slowing down of reflexes and weakening of eye sight, Dravid has had a successful campaign with 302 runs at avg. of 60.40. Tendulkar and Laxman have not had a good series with 159 & 156 runs at avg. of 26.50 & 26.00 respectively.

    But what about the youngsters? Raina has 105 runs at avg. of 17.50 and Mukund has 64 runs at avg. of 16.00. Do they deserve to be in the Test team? Why dont they pick players like Rohit Sharma, Kohli, Pujara & Jaffer?

    And all the speculation about Sehwag being India's saviour in thrid test!! He might have just made a world record of getting out in both innings of a Test match with first ball duck - two golden ducks for an opening batsman in single test!!

    What about bowlers? Are they anywhere near compared to England's bowling attack?

    Dhoni & Srikkanth should let their CSK mates alone and pick players real test players like R Sharma, Kohli, Pujara, Jaffer, in future instead of Raina, Mukund, M Vijay, etc.

    TESTS are different than T20s!!

  • JPB334 on August 14, 2011, 9:48 GMT

    India very bad test nation. Only number 1 because of BCCI money. India losing 4 nil in England and then 4 nil in Australia will show India who is the boss of this fighting test matching cricket.

  • rahulcricindia on August 14, 2011, 10:02 GMT

    mr laal who himself played just two test matches for india surely does not know what pressure is all about....when the opposition team is scoring more than 500 two or three times obviously our batsman would come under immense pressure ..look at the way they gave away 420 runs in 3rd day of trent bridge test what the batsman can do....how can they play under the pressure of so many runs....no matter how good the english pitch is but these pitches generally offer around 400 runs if the deck is flat ....no english pitch is 700 runs belter...i think it is more of the bowler fault than batsman...if india would be doing well no one would have talked about the seniors reflexes...to just remind it is SACHIN who made draw possible in SA..it was laxman who won us against the aussies ....it was rahul who toiled here in england not the so called young blood ....these young blood are so coldblodded ...that they can not even sustain for one over of short pitch first find good replacment than talk.

  • on August 14, 2011, 10:20 GMT

    A 45 year old dravid, tendulkar or laxman would still be better then playing raina. India need to test Rohit Sharma at test level. Virat Kohli failed in his debut series, but must be perservered with because everyone can see he is a great player who has excelled in ODI cricket, he has a good technique so should be able to adjust to test cricket. Rahane is another young batsman who i feel has done enough to warrant selection also. Sreesanth is a hopeless bowler and should be dropped for good, Harbhajan isnt the wicket taker he used to be and india can afford to check out some of the other talent around, Mishra, Ashwin, Ohja and rahul sharma. Irfan Pathan and RP Singh are worth another try. Praveen is good, Ishant has to be there because he is a genuine wicket taker, tho inconsistent. Zaheer is dearly missed but a team cant rely on just one player to take 20 wickets

  • aravabalaji on August 14, 2011, 10:30 GMT

    In fact, Yuvi & Raina were given a very long rope. It would have been better if someone like Badrinath, Pujara, Rehane were persisted with in Test team rather than going with star value. After all, these players toiled enough in the domestic circuit with creditable record and were still waiting to break into the higher level. It is a pity that a player like Badri, who has an average of >62 in 100 matches with 30 centuries to his credit, still looking up to selectors & team management for a place which he rightfully deserves. Given the level of consistency displayed by him, he has a minimum of 5-6 yrs of cricket in him. Enough of politics!

  • KiwiRocker- on August 14, 2011, 11:05 GMT

    One problem that is visible with Indian team is that their bench strength is close to zero. For example Suresh Raina, Kohli and Rohit are all over hyped, tried, tested and failed. These players will score big on flat Indian tracks but will be found out against quality fast bowling of England, SA, Australia and Pakistan. Things get even worse in the bowling department. R.ashwin and Mishra are average bowlers who are not Saeed Ajmal or Swann. Harbhajan Singh is all but finished. The worse area is fast bowling. India's current or upcoming lot does not have a single quality bowlers. It is rather strange actually when you look at neighbouring Pakistan's endless resources-They lost their two premier bowlers but unleashed Wahab, Gul, Junaid, Tanveer, Sohail Tanveer..and list goes on. Any of those bowlers will find a place in any Indian team.It is time that BCCI reviews its cunning plan to ruin cricket in other countries AKA IPL as it has started to hit India's own cricket big time...