India v England, 1st Test, Ahmedabad, 5th day

Dhoni chuffed with bowlers, not groundsman

ESPNcricinfo staff

November 19, 2012

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After India completed a hard-fought victory over England in Ahmedabad, MS Dhoni was full of praise for his bowlers but not for the pitch that made it hard for them to force the win.

At the post-match presentation, he also appeared to have made a comment that could be construed as a veiled attack at the umpires. "They [the bowlers] had to work really hard," Dhoni said. "Not to forget we asked them to follow on, so at a stretch our spinners bowled close to 80 and 70 overs each. Fast bowlers bowled 40 overs. Umesh, I am not really sure how many he bowled. It was hard work for them. Especially if you are expected to take more than 10 wickets to get a team out."

India spinners had several good shouts for lbw turned down. Among others, they could have had both Alastair Cook and Matt Prior, the duo who went on to make the only sizeable contributions for England, but they were also fortunate to get Samit Patel lbw in both innings. Ironically, before Patel was given out in the first innings, he had survived what looked like a plumb lbw.

Dhoni was less subtle about the groundsmen, though. Indian captains haven't often enjoyed a good working relationship with their groundsmen. Dhoni had been a regular advocate of pitches with turn and bounce, but every now and then some curator or the other dishes up a benign track that helps the spinners only with the new ball.

Yet, considering what was an eventually comfortable win, Dhoni was asked at the press conference if he had found a perfect template for a pitch to beat England. It had after all neutered England's strength, their fast bowlers. However, Dhoni didn't let the eventual result sway his assessment of the pitch.

"I don't even want to see this wicket," he said. "There wasn't enough turn and bounce for the spinners… Hopefully in the coming matches we'll see the wicket turn, right from start, or as soon as possible so that the toss doesn't become vital."

Dhoni went on to add that groundsmen need not worry about the match referee's objection to such pitches. "I don't think the match referee can question a pitch just because it's turning," he said. "When the wicket seams right from the first delivery, nobody asks questions. What you don't want is ridges in the wicket and then one ball hits your head and next your toe. At times, in the subcontinent, on pitches like this, the toss becomes vital. The only way to take the toss out of the equation is to have pitches that turn right from the start. The game may end in three-and-a-half days, but both teams will have an equal opportunity to win the game."

Given all those odds and Alastair Cook's stellar effort, Dhoni was proud of the way his bowlers stuck to the task. "It was not so easy. I can tell you that," he said. "We were on the field for two, two-and-a-half days. The bowlers had to bowl very patiently. Ojha bowled close to 82 overs, Ashwin bowled 70 overs.

"As the game progressed the pitch got slower and slower. I don't think there was much turn for them. The odd ball turned, but there wasn't enough bounce for the edge to carry to the slip fielder. It was about keeping one or two deliveries out and you were set for the game. It was the last session on the second day and first session on the third day that really shifted the game in our favour."

Dhoni was particularly impressed with the contribution of the two fast bowlers. Zaheer Khan was skilful, and Umesh Yadav quick on a surface that the England pacemen struggled to draw any assistance from. Both reversed the ball, too. "What was impressive was the fast bowlers getting six wickets," Dhoni said. "It was not an ideal track for fast bowlers to get wickets. Their contribution was as important as the spinners.

"The first innings was challenging for England as the ball was turning. After that the wicket slowed down and they got used to the pace. That's one of the main reasons why our bowlers had to battle really hard to get wickets in the second innings."

This is an updated story, including quotes given to TV and in the press conference

© ESPN Sports Media Ltd.

Posted by amitgarg78 on (November 22, 2012, 4:40 GMT)

Blaming BCCI on DRS is convenient but blatantly false, especially when not a single board raised it to vote in the last meeting. DRS in its current form is just plain wrong. Sure, Hawkeye looks good on TV but even then, there are just too many variables for it to be reliable. So, we need Snicko, Hot Spot and others to come in. Again, great for TV viewing, but not reliable in all cases. But then it was only meant for howlers. Even the technology providers say that. Inconvenient for BCCI bashers, but true. Using it for marginal calls, not deciding on where to draw the line on decision making, is where it went wrong. What technology is used should be standardized and paid for by ICC for all matches, but only if it's reliable. Till then, I am perfectly happy to accept that Umpires can have bad days and move on, rather than use an unreliable technology. For those moaning about MSD and BCCI, I suspect your world beaters just got caned. Just as ours were, last year. Just accept and move on.

Posted by shanghai_chinaman on (November 22, 2012, 1:43 GMT)

BCCI objection to DRS isnt use of tech or decision support for umpires. There was never any issue with 3rd Umpire judging runouts, stumpings, no balls etc. Issue with DRS is prediction. Use of third umpire can still be done even in LBW - did the ball pitch outside leg? Was the moment of impact in line with stumps or not? etc. The issue lies in having a software predict how the ball was going to go. Especially when the ball hits the pad on half volley or full and low. best batsmen get fooled by how a ball moves after pitching. Position of seam, quality of surface where balls lands all make a difference to how a ball behaves after landing- tech doesnt cover all this. The howler part in lbw decisions are when given for pitching outside leg, or struck outside stumps, or an edge to pad is missed, or when ball has bounced and generated enough trajectory for us to see from side view that it would have gone over. If we can see these and know they are howlers so can 3rd ump. Just use 3rd ump.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (November 21, 2012, 20:18 GMT)

@Fallingbostelcricket Fallingbostelcc, what did everything go in favor of India. Is it umpiring or pitch or what else? Anyway he is not frustrated with the result but because bowlers had to work very hard to win this easy match. It is not the matter of who won or lost but it is players' feelings how much effort they had to put for an easy win. It is like your family is not supporting you in pursuing your skills.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 19:14 GMT)

Anyone questioning Dhoni should first try to understand what he is saying before making any comments. If you have played cricket at league level or have sound knowledge of the game you will understand that " Spinning track with more bounce will also favor fast bowlers". Its understood but not explicitly stated. All those who question Dhoni about how much more spin is needed do not know a bit about cricket and spin bowling. even a square turner slow and low is far easy to bat than one that has a good bounce and a decent spin. Bounce will provide a fair contest to both teams bowling assets and also will even the advantage gained by toss. There is no unfair advantage and makes for an even contest. All he is saying is give us a track that supports our strength and not take anything away from Englands strength. Seam bowling is not the only asset of a fast bowler, what happened to reverse swing, leg cutters, off cutters varying lengths, delivery angle and using the crease.

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 21, 2012, 18:05 GMT)

On bashing curators, MSD shd hav realised that this was a relaid pitch. Even the curators couldn't predict how it will play as it was the 1st match on it. Blame ur bosses again. MSD himself shd take lessons in geology to comment on a pitch. On one hand, he wants bounce and turn for spinners from day 1 and on other hand does not want to give the opposition pace bowlers an advantage. U get bounce only if the surface is hard. For that u need grass on the pitch to hold up the surface thus making it hard. When u have grass u have bounce for fast bowlers as well. So checkmate. With sun beating down in SC conditons, u will always see slow and low track unless ther is grass. If he wants a dustbowl I think indian batters will be in trouble bcoz our batters are good vs mediocre spin and Swann is better than ojha and ashwin. So checkmate again. Instead MSD shd move on and just applaud ojha for good bowling and play on our traditional low and slow tracks which negates english quicks and even Swann

Posted by mohsin9975 on (November 21, 2012, 17:50 GMT)

MSD is the most ungracious captains India has produced. You never see applauding good performances by opposition players or good umpiring in a match. It s so disgusting to see him whinge in defeat and victory. He has the audacity to take on the umpires and curators even when his own performance in the match was dismal. ICC should take some strong action on such blatant and repeated attacks on umpires. Decisions in cricket are to be taken in split second. Human reflexes and eye has some limitations. Stop blaming them for wrong lbws when you oppose drs. You can only comment if the lbw decisions were wrong only after replays which u, srt and ur bcci bosses so strongly oppose to give the umpires. If u think ur eye and reflexes are that great you should have been avging 100 while batting and shd never had dropped catches and conceded byes

Posted by ultimatewarrior on (November 21, 2012, 14:24 GMT)

Most important part of the article "Dhoni went on to add that groundsmen need not worry about the match referee's objection to such pitches. "I don't think the match referee can question a pitch just because it's turning," he said. "WHEN THE WICKET SEAMS RIGHT FROM THE FIRST DELIVERY, NOBODY ASKS QUESTIONS. What you don't want is ridges in the wicket and then one ball hits your head and next your toe. At times, in the subcontinent, on pitches like this, the toss becomes vital. The only way to take the toss out of the equation is to have pitches that turn right from the start. The game may end in three-and-a-half days, but both teams will have an equal opportunity to win the game."

Posted by dork29 on (November 21, 2012, 14:00 GMT)

Dhoni is spot on.Why in the world should we prepare wickets that assist seam bowlers? Our strength is spin, we should play to our strengths - it is as simple as that. Just as our batsmen are called 'flat track bullies', their batsmen need to be called "spin trach rabbits". Ideally, we should prepare seaming wickets for our Ranji and Duleep trophy matches.That will preepare the batters for the tough tests aborad. Before a tour to SA or OZ, the test team can participate in these matches like Tendulkar and Sehwag did, to acclimatise themselves to these pitches. However, the test match pitches have to be rank turners like Dhoni has sugegsted. The day England or Australia prepare turners, we can prepare seaming pitches.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 13:10 GMT)

What was wrong with Dhoni, was his performance; both behind the stumps and in front. Not, in what he said. Hang a man for his crime and NOT for telling a few truths!

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 12:58 GMT)

Some time Captains hesitate to enforce the follow-on, since the bowlers have to take "more than 10 wickets" -- in fact 20 wickets! If circumstances force you to enforce it, to improve the chances of a win, and in that process, if key bowlers have to bowl 70-80 overs, it is hard work on ANY surface. If a Captain mentions that, it is just a statement of fact, and an indirect way of appreciating the efforts of his bowlers in public. What is wrong in that? Where is the criticism of the umpires in that (Of course, umpires make it more than 20 -- around 25 or so, in my count). Again, if he asks for pitches, where toss will not be a decisive factor, and giving equal chance to both teams, what is wrong in that? Most of the Indian pitches, which play low & slow, give an unfair advantage to batsmen. So, asking for one where both batsmen & bowlers can display & exploit their skills, what is wrong in that? In the whole process, if viewers enjoy test cricket better, what is wrong in that?

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 12:33 GMT)

What dhoni said about pitch also hold good in case of Pakistan. Pakistani captain on many occasion demand turning pitch but our curator failed to provide that... I guess there should be proper training for curator they should have knowledge how to prepare bouncy, seamy or turning pitch as per demands of captain ... and Yes agree there should like and dislike button

Posted by agm_ on (November 21, 2012, 12:25 GMT)

Couldn't agree more with Rajat Rathi. Most good websites now have comments sections that highlight the 'most recommended' and/or 'editor's choice' up top, allowing users to sort and focus on the best comments. At Cricinfo we still have to scroll through lots of nonsense to find the few comments that are insightful, balanced, etc.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 11:09 GMT)

Whinge whinge whinge - what a surprise, India are moaning! They've got everything their own way, and they're still not happy. Utterly boring. I hope so dearly that England sneak the series as a result of a bad umpires call.

Posted by Snick_To_Backward_Point on (November 21, 2012, 10:26 GMT)

The arrogance the BCCI and Indian cricket in general has shown towards DRS (which most sane pundits seem to agree at least improves the overall accuracy of decisions) is only surpassed by the arrogance of Dhoni's complaint about umpiring. You can;t have it both ways MS - either play withot DRS and accept that human's aren;t perfect or play with DRS either way PLEASE STOP WHINGEING!

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

Team Cricinfo - it's time you should plan to upgrade your website's features and functionality. As a next step I would really like to see recommend or like button for comments. You have it for the articles, then why not for the comments. Some of the fans have made excellent points that relate to the subject well. Their views deserve to be highlighted and displayed as top comments on the posts. Guys, if you agree to my opinion, please put [LIKE] at the end of your comments. Thanks.

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 8:47 GMT)

Dhoni is right to complain about the poor pitch. India were the better side and deserved to win but anyone who thinks that was a good surface knows nothing about crciket groundsmanship and is too biased to make an intelligent observation. Dhoni knows that untill proper pitches are prepared in Inndia, they will not be able to complete on the world stage awway from home. But Dhoni is wrong to maonn about poor umpiring, he should talk to his authorities and drag them into the current century and adopt drs.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 21, 2012, 8:22 GMT)

@cricketforpeace : I wouldn't suggest using hotspot or any expensive tech for domestic as i know it is already tough to include them in the internationals because of budget. What i suggested is,to use the cost effective DRS in domestic cricket and try the ways to reduce the number of howlers. Certainly, the domestic cricket across the globe can afford this and add more value to the DRS!

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 7:58 GMT)

Wimbledon will have a grass surface, French Open - Clay , Aus - Artificial. So why change the rules for Cricket? sub-Continent should have spinning tracks and Aus / SA shuld have bouncy tracks. Get the skills right for the surface England!!

Posted by Kulaputra on (November 21, 2012, 7:19 GMT)

Dhoni's request is justified. Why not give pitches that home teams want. Have Australia prepared a square turner at Perth or England done the same at Headingley? Stop dreaming of making Chennai a green top and let it return to being Chepauk.

Cook and Prior played well as did Pujara, Sehwag and Singh. The pitch had no terrors except for bad batsman !!!

Posted by   on (November 21, 2012, 5:06 GMT)

The thing about cricket is that its not a fair game. You could get a horrible decision one game and have 9 lives another, I don't know why the cricketing world is looking to standardize a game that will never be fully balanced nor should it be, it is the complete unpredictablity of the game that makes us love it so much. Dhoni is asking to eliminate the influence of the toss by making the wicket turn from ball one but the toss is part of the game for a reason and that is to give a team an advantage before the game even starts, by eliminating that you are eliminating part of the unpredictability of the game. I hope groundskeepers keep making wickets that are interesting and don't get influenced by anyone otherwise we could see a great unpredictable game turned totally banal and repetitive.

Posted by SnowSnake on (November 21, 2012, 3:46 GMT)

I think Dhoni is making an issue out of something just to distract people from questioning his poor form. Ponting does the same. People who run their mouths are people trying to hide their poor performance.

Posted by playitfair on (November 21, 2012, 3:30 GMT)

One should always play to one's strength. I do not see anything wrong in Dhoni asking for spinning tracks. Well, if the visitors find the pitches to be a 'dust bowl' we have every right to complain their pitches are 'green tops'. As for umpires.....they are human beings and bound to make mistakes......we should accept it. India has been performing well in India and overseas in the past couple of years, excepting the two disastrous tours. Every team has a bad run and India went through it. Lets not forget, the team that toured England and Australia had many players who were not in good form and on verge of retirement. Lets give praise where it is due. No one has praised Dhoni's shrewd captaincy in this test..like standing up to Bresnan so that he did step out to hit the spinners. If any move/experiment of his does not bring the desired result he is crititisized no end. Good Luck to both teams and let the better team win.

Posted by BHARATLIFE on (November 21, 2012, 3:18 GMT)

@recycle-bin-is-empty Even Srilanka manged to beat South Africa in Durban, this Current AUS team almost won both games, same ferocious SA attack.FYI,IND played with SA sans Philanderer. We got beaten in ENG and AUS,of course, 0-8 is not a fair indication, may be 2-4 or 2-3 with one drawn series. We had all the edge on paper better Batting!!! more experienced bowling !!! Dhoni sounds worse than Ponting OMG!!!!! Ok, it was not a dejavu Mumbai 04 but OMG!!! I admired Dhoni because , i thought he had a "no-nonsense no complain " attitude, but this is..seriously?Of course we are World Champions.Now he has given the world a chance to take a dig on India. This , the Mumbai crowd monkey chant,like the Aussies were hated , it is also going to tarnish India and Indians like a Dominoe effect. There is a fine line between being positive and arrogant. Of course he does not need that fine line and controversy... He is sounding arrogant.

Posted by L4zybugg3r on (November 20, 2012, 23:40 GMT)

LOL, Dhoni has no right to complain about the umpiring considering he is opposed to improving things via DRS. I laugh at his misfortune, and salute the umpires :). Seriously, complaining about something when you have a chance to improve it, poor effort! It seems like Dhoni just wants to have a ready-made excuse in case things don't go his way. I have to admit though he is right about lack of bounce in pitches, it just makes it worse for everyone, particularly the spectators.

Posted by Alexk400 on (November 20, 2012, 23:17 GMT)

I hope cook beat all sachin records one day. He is most deserved than selfish sachin who never played a single match with importance. Cook literally saved england. I am not sure he is correct captain for england. He should hand over captaincy to trott or broad soon. Dhoni is wrong to criticize umpires. he is one against UDRS. That said i like player participation removed from UDRS. Instead it should be coaches role.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 22:09 GMT)

Dhoni... please concentrate on your batting before Commenting on anything. Forget the helicopters and the jets and the bazookas and lets start playing some proper cricket shots like the cover drives, on drives, off drives, late cuts and square cuts...etc...!!

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 19:24 GMT)

@blacklustersoldier try being ponting and say to yourself "hey let me prepare a dustbowl in aus and win against india"

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 19:19 GMT)

Match heroes for me : 1) Alaistar Cookj of course 2) Umesh Yadav (bowled really fast better than English bowlers definitely) 3) Pujara 4) Mathew Prior

All the rest either played according to their capacity or below it and almost all of them did not apply themselves properly....English fast bowlers were really bad...Even on these pitches Steyn and morne would have created havoc....A team has to have players like this...They have Cook who reaches that level but a Good fast bowler with fit body and proper action is required...That is where Umesh Yadav would have impressed many....First bowler I say playing from India who looks fitter and more athletic than many batsman....His fitness level is par Yuvraj's or Kohli's.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (November 20, 2012, 18:26 GMT)

@Nirmal Singh Regarding pitch and India's overseas performance, just to let you know in case you and many posters have forgotten, that we did play well in SA, NZ, WI. In that SA tour, India played more tougher bowlers in Steyn and Morkel in more greenish wickets ? Though the series was drawn, but Ind came close to winning it, only the brilliance of Kallis in the final test saved SA. Why am I reminding this ? Because that tour also happnd in that same very year when Ind played poorly in Eng and Aus. So, all this talk that India are only home tigers are illogical and unfair. We played very very bad cricket for that 6 months time, yes, but it has nothing to do with Indian pitches or that Indian batsmen cant play overseas. Ind, Aus and Eng all 3 are very good teams and it is very tough to beat them in their home conditions. In their last 2 series in India, Aus have also lost all their test matches(2-0 twice, making them also 4-0, right ?), Eng as it seems, are already on their way for 4-0.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (November 20, 2012, 18:15 GMT)

@Nirmal Singh DRS or no DRS, the umpires made a whooping 12 wrong decisions in this match, many of them seemingly easier ones. Dhoni has every right to complain especially if that number of blunders are coming from two very good quality Umpires, Aleem Dar and Tony Hill. Not having DRS is not an excuse for that bad umpiring from good umpires.

Posted by ImpartialExpert on (November 20, 2012, 18:14 GMT)

Wow!! Media has twisted it again. Dhoni said that because England are following on the bowlers had to take more than 10 wickets (=20) at a stretch. Where did he even talk about the umpiring.

Posted by the_blue_android on (November 20, 2012, 18:11 GMT)

@ Hearthrf1974 - Did you mean to say such pitches make English pop-gun attack obsolete? Because Indian fast bowlers took 1/3 rd of wickets on such a slow turning pitch. It's unfortunate and I do feel sorry that Broad and Anderson cannot roll up the pitches from their backyard and take it along everywhere they go with the cloud cover.

Posted by recycle-bin-is-empty on (November 20, 2012, 18:02 GMT)

@Nirmal Singh Team India lost their main strike bowler in Zaheer Khan right in the first session of the very first test match last year when we toured England. Not to mention we were playing it without Sehwag, and Gambhir also got an elbow while fielding near the wicket, though the poor guy still played but with a broken elbow. Many more players got injured later on in the series. And yet we were competitive against a very good England team in their backyard in the first 2 tests (which many of the Indian posters seemed to have forgotten). Yes we got a 4-0 drubbing and I am not defending our performance but we were, in the first 2 tests, competitive. There were many instances, in all the innings, where the mateches could have gone either way. Something, which didnt happen in this test from the English side (I m not taking anything away from Cook, Swann and Prior though). Moreover, just imagine their performance if Swann, their main strike bowler, had gotten injured in the first session?

Posted by bgshankar on (November 20, 2012, 17:37 GMT)

The only way to take the toss out of the equation is to have over based innings switch like base ball. Just bowl limited overs (say 25 overs); switch innings and come back bat again after the 25 overs. This would work well for one day games day.

Posted by BlackLusterSoldier on (November 20, 2012, 16:47 GMT)

I know that most countries ordinarily prepare tracks keeping in mind the strength of the home team's bowlers and that of the batsmen. But, I feel that if one looks to be the BEST team in the world, one shouldn't grumble about the kind of pitch presented to oneself. Also, we all know India is a fantastic team at home and having a 20-4 record in the last 8 years before this match, it's frankly rubbish what Dhoni is saying about the pitch. It more or less is a "dust bowl" and though it's slow, it does take spin. It is suited to India's strengths. How can he still find ways to complain about the pitch? If I were Dhoni, and having such an impressive record at home to fall back on, I'd want to challenge myself at home and ask for a green pitch and say "Hey! We can beat you anywhere." Where is this spirit which i used to see in Ricky Ponting's Australian squad of old? That spirit is what makes you No. 1. This spirit is what is going to land India in another 8-0 drubbing abroad.

Posted by hard_hitter_guy on (November 20, 2012, 16:37 GMT)

Steve Waugh has no right to say we cant prepare pitches according to the strength of home team. Will Aussie prepare turning pitches for India or any sub continent teams. I saw one guy posted to do well in abroad we cant prepare turners in India. It doesn't make sense at all. Are England preparing turners against visitors for them back home to do well in sub continent. When India are touring abroad they need to adapt to the conditions and train accordingly. For first class games we can have pitches favoring pace bowlers so that they are used to it. But definitely not against touring teams. Let the tourists find their way to tackle spin friendly tracks.

Posted by palla.avinash on (November 20, 2012, 16:01 GMT)

MS Dhoni is 100 percent right all trica makes he countries australia,england and south africa make pitches suitable for all pace attack and never seen a turning where they prepare without captains request as per steve waugh your curators are very supportive they always made what u want and india curators dont make them because they are afraid ICC banning the pitch.ICC never banned apace pitch why ban the pitch spins on day do they want only to have teams with natural fast bowlers to win or what.kanpur and galle where warned for making tracks with uneven bounce they should have banned lords pitch 1st test of ashes 2005 which produced so much uneven bounce but they didnt have a look at it why, is ICC has any favoritism towards fast bowling tracks but not to fast tracks if ICC ban or warn spin tracks again i will never see test cricket. Nothing wrong with having bounce and spin from day1 rather than having swing,pace and bounce from day 1. Steve waugh must be afraid australia will loose.

Posted by atuljain1969 on (November 20, 2012, 13:51 GMT)

Why don't selectors groom some new fast bowlers in India , instead of repeating Zaheer again and again. It is better to groom them in India then outside, where inexperience could prove fatal.

It is right time to give chances to fast bowlers like --

DINDA, RISHI DHAWAN, PARWINDER AWANA, BHUVNESH KUMAR

a chance, to get groomed for future.

Posted by James.The.Ripper on (November 20, 2012, 12:55 GMT)

First of all great batting by A. Cook kudos to you sir, MSD should learn from the english captain about leading from the front. Secondly, what's the problem with Dhoni, after every match he complains about the pitch, how much spin does he want on the pitch exactly.He sounds like India can only win on turning wickets. Dhoni needs to change his thinking otherwise India will always under-perform on overseas tour under his captaincy.

Posted by swarzi on (November 20, 2012, 11:21 GMT)

Even though some of the England batsmen are not playing the spin bowling well, I still think that their only fear is Sehwag. If they get Sehwag out early, they feel they still can compete. When a bowler has been so successful against a batsman as Anderson has been against Tendulkar, and that bowler is bragging about it, he shows you the kind of confidence he starts his game with. Hence when that player continues to allow the mouth of that bowler to prevent him from performing well even against the lesser bowlers, that player must be dropped. In addition, Rohit Sharma needs Mr Tendulkar's position in the next test at Mumbai and onwards to start to prepare for India's crucial tour to South Africa just now. What's going on with this 'baby pampering' of Mr Tendulkar. He is only proving what most people have been saying all along that he is a really, really overrated player. Look at how the great players like Bradman, Lara and now Kallis still dominated every attack in their old age.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 20, 2012, 8:46 GMT)

@ Kulaputra Glad that you brought up the Trott's catch issue. It was hilarious to watch on tv. If I was trott I would be embarrassed to appeal for it, let alone claim the catch. Back in England our lads got booed for running out Bell and the media were ready to plaster the unsportive tag on us. I wonder what they would make of this incident! Bresnan and Broad standing in the danger area of the pitch and walking around as if it was their lawn. The best part is, our crowd, players and media are very generous towards visiting teams and just let it pass. Post match none of the players said a single word about any of these issues or the opposition players.I guess this is what separates the boys from men!

Posted by venkatesh018 on (November 20, 2012, 7:59 GMT)

I just can't understand why MSD wants every pitch to turn from the First morning. This is the second or third time he has asked for a rank turner against an overseas team. With this attitude from the skipper, India will not win any Test match on foreign soil even on a flat wicket, leave alone seaming ones. This Ahmedabad Test match hasn't offered anything new and notable to the long term well being of India's Test team.

Posted by Naresh28 on (November 20, 2012, 7:16 GMT)

They call us flat track bullies, but batsman like Pujara (in WI) and Chand (in oz) scored big. Indians have records world wide not just at home. In 2003 wc in SA it was Sachin who topped the charts. In Oz Chand outshone all in the U19 wc. Dravid has reeled off many centuries overseas. Not forgetting Yuvi in SA T20 wc. We have also had great scores by Laxman, Ganguly, Shewag. Before that there were many like Gavaska, Ahzar etc. The one sad failure is a supply line of fast bowlers. We produce the odd one here and there. It results in getting us poor results overseas.

Posted by ganirules on (November 20, 2012, 6:41 GMT)

Now I want to speak about the non performers:-

Sachin - He may bat well in Mumbai his home town otherwise @ Nagpur he may announce his retirement as he said b4 start of this serious, Gambir - May opt out or rested in the next match even in favor conditions he was unable to bat with confident Ashwin - One of the Odd day @ office, if England think tat they can tackle him or attack him he will get more wickets, they have been careful againt him in 1 test but in mumbai it will turn so be careful.Cook will continue his good form.

Posted by heathrf1974 on (November 20, 2012, 6:22 GMT)

All wickets eventually turn as they deteriorate. By making wickets turn on the first day your making pace bowlers obsolete.

Posted by CricEshwar on (November 20, 2012, 5:09 GMT)

No big surprise as expected. BAU for India. Well Done.

Posted by cricketforpeace on (November 20, 2012, 5:09 GMT)

@satish619chandar.Your suggestion to use DRS initially in the county/domestic format is ideal.But,it will probably never take place.The reason is cost.At approx.5,000 USD per day(I stand to be corrected),implementation of DRS for domestic games will prove to be an expensive affair.At present,cost effective DRS is not available.As system evolves,the costs might actually escalate initially for changes to be made to technology.Also,if it were to be implemented in domestic circuit,it has to be implemented in all cricket playing countries.How many countries can afford this cost for domestic matches?Many countries find it difficult for the Test/One-day matches-leave alone domestic matches.Moreover,some part of the cost of DRS can be offset by the advertising/TV revenues.In such situation,in addition to the home cricket boards,how many sponsors will be willing to sponsor even a part of DRS costs?This debate about DRS is never going to end unless bold initiative is taken & DRS implemented.

Posted by yoogi on (November 20, 2012, 4:38 GMT)

It might seem simple, but a captain is supposed to know how many overs each bowler bowled, long-spells, gap between spells, otherwise he cannot really use his resources wisely. I am really sorry for the fast bowlers who already have a short career compared to other cricketers.

Posted by Romenevans on (November 20, 2012, 4:04 GMT)

Last year when England arrived for 5 ODI series i was really impressed with Stuart Meaker's bowling. He was reverse swinging the white ball and bowled a spirited spell in few games that he played. I think he should be playing because he bowls like Yadav who is fast in the air not of the pitch and that is what you need if you want to utilize reverse swing in sub-continent. BTW! the wicket was extremely flat and not a rank turner at all and our spinners did bowl really well, Full credit to Ojha the way he deceived English batsmen with his flight and loop.

Posted by Leonb on (November 20, 2012, 3:07 GMT)

@johnathonjosephs - Not that Warne nor Murali have any relevance to an India v England test but Murali sent down 555 overs more than Warne (7339 v 6784) and only played 12 games less. Unclear how that translates into a potential massive drop in his average.

Posted by Alexk400 on (November 20, 2012, 3:04 GMT)

I still want duncan fletcher to be fired. Dhoni can win in india as long as sehwag gives good start. Can he win without sehwag? I also think India should rest gambhir because i think its time to give oppurtunity to murali vijay,mukund and rahane. No one can replace sehwag near future. I think one of the biggest mistake of india's overseas tour was having two weak opening batsman against swing. We need 1 defensive opening in akash chopra mould and aggreesive one in sehwag. We need one of opening batsman occupy crease for long hours. Not sure we have anyone can do the job better than gambhir now but if you do not give chance to rahane , vijay ,mukund we will never know and they get old like badrinath. The amount of chance rohit sharma got others don't get. No idea why.

Posted by Al_Bundy1 on (November 20, 2012, 2:32 GMT)

Excellent bowling by Ojha, Zaheer and Yadav. Great captainship by Dhoni. I wish Ashwin had contributed in the 2nd innings. Good fight back by Cook and Prior. From India - there were only 2 non-performers - Tendulkar and Gambhir. We should "rest" them and try some of our talented youngsters. Who knows how many Pujaras and Kohlis are out there waiting to be discovered?

Posted by kripra on (November 20, 2012, 2:29 GMT)

The DRS will likely bring a new level of consistency; unfortunately, if a team has only two "unsuccessful" appeals per innings, and if the ruling on the field can only be overturned if there is indisputable evidence, the umpires do play a role which can influence the outcome of the game, in spite of the use of DRS. One option is to make DRS mandatory for all lbw calls made by the umpire....and the third umpire can overrule an umpire on the field, if it appears that a plumb lbw was not given. Replay technology has been used very successfully in American football, and over the past ten years, it has become consistent, reliable and now, indispensible.

Posted by Kulaputra on (November 20, 2012, 2:23 GMT)

I am glad that Dhoni has spoken about pitches. Nothing is wrong with speaking about it and nothing is wring with groundsmen giving us home advantage. It is all par for the course.

The umpiring is sub-standard. It is a pity to see Aleem Dar, normally a very good umpire lower his standard. Does sub-continent imply mean low quality umpires? I think we should get a change of umpires before they ruin this series. I feel India took close to 26 wickets to win this test.

Lastly, bad behaviour by Trott went unpunished. Sunil Gavaskar is right. If this is done by one of the sub continent players, the press would have been full of bad sporting spirit et. al. Once again, Stuart Broad goes unpunished for bad behaviour- does Chris Broad still influence other referees?

Posted by kensohatter on (November 20, 2012, 1:43 GMT)

Dont blame the umpires... Does anyone else think its weird that a batsman gets the sightscreen made completly white so he can pick up the ball but the umpire looking the opposite direction down the ground has to pick up a red ball amongst sightscreen advertising which is often the same colour as the ball? This is the guy expected to make a correct decision and if he doesnt it gets shown on by every replay in slow mo using all kinds of technology. Umpires get a split second and have to go off gut instinct. If India then refuses to support the use of technology to aid the umpires than dont whinge about it. Some people here say you would need to give 10 reviews... unlikely as at the end of most DRS games the captains have run out of challenges which only proves the umpires are the best men for the job.

Posted by   on (November 20, 2012, 0:23 GMT)

In the glow of a win, let us not forget that three seniors ( Gouti, Sachin, & Dhoni) in the Indian team were a big let down in batting. Dhoni's keeping was also not up to the mark -- with missing of a clear stumping chance and several misfields, a few of which went for 4 gifted runs! Some misfields also went for ones and twos. those runs he gifted to the opposition were much more than what he scored for his own team.

Posted by alarky on (November 19, 2012, 23:12 GMT)

Congratulations India for winning another test match, even though it's at home once again. As usual, once Mr Sehwag makes runs, the way he makes them he always puts India into a winning position. Hence, it was the same old Sehwag frightening the hell out of James Anderson and his crew; thus allowing Pujara and others to take advantage of the demoralised English attack. This is exactly what people like radman, Viv Richards, Lara, Graham Pollock, Sobers and Hayden used to do, to help their team to win. This is why these players are in that special league in which people like Martin Crowe, Kallis, Tendulkar and such guys do not belong. I thought that Dada (Ganguly) was as brave now as when he was captain. I noticed that he quickly ran away from Sanjay Manjreakar's question today, when Sanjay asked him if he thinks there was anyone to be dropped for the second test. Dada seems not to be any maverick again. Otherwise he would tell us who is having "joy ride" around the world with the team

Posted by Sunil_Canada on (November 19, 2012, 20:58 GMT)

I am surprised, BCCI, with the help from MSD & SRT could continue to block DSR. Technology is being used for stumping, run-out, no ball, to check boundary and sometime to check if catch is taken properly. I agree hawk-eye is an estimation & could be wrong, so why not implement DSR for everything except hawk-eye. There is much more in LBW than whether it would have hit the stump i.e. whether ball pitched outside leg stump, whether ball hit the leg in the line of wicket, whether there was bat / pad (these are most common issues in umpiring). I challenge anyone to explain why for these situations technology cannot be used and DSR cannot be implemented? Why always captains cry about umpiring but don't want to use DSR. In short, except hawk-eye let's use technology in everything and implement DSR. Let's not wait for 100% perfection instead let's implement 95% acceptable system. It will certainly improve the decisions. PLEASE COMMENT IF YOU HAVE ANY ?????

Posted by Nampally on (November 19, 2012, 20:43 GMT)

@Maddy20: I am so glad to see that you are now asking for more than 2 challenges/innings. Last time you had mentioned that one should be careful in challenging the Umpires decision. My contention was if someone is plumb out, no good Umpire will call it Not out- so it will not be challenged. But in this test the Umpire called quite a few plumb Outs NOT OUT!. More challenges makes DRS more meaningful for the money spent for it. The incentive for the sale of any product is its cost benefits. I would even go to 5 challenges/innings on a difficult wkt. However the best solution to the universal use of DRS is for ICC to spend more funds & make the technology reliable. Let each Nations Board contribute funds & hire more experts to make it reliable. This way each Nation has a stake in it. I am sure even BCCI will support such an approach. To err is human.If DRS helps in achieving error free Umpiring, spend funds to do it !

Posted by Nampally on (November 19, 2012, 20:22 GMT)

Yes, the bowlers deserve all the praise for taking 20 Wkts. in this match. It is feat of human endurance when you are on the field continuously for about 13 hours in the Indian heat @ 35 C +. I think England bowler Swann got more assistance from the pitch than the Indian bowlers - Ojha & Ashwin- because the pitch got slower by the day. This makes the Indian batting that much more credible. If England batted first perhaps they would have been shot for <191. So Pujara, Sehwag & Yuvraj deserve much credit for leading India to a total of >520. Ojha(77 overs) was magnificient. Ashwin(70 overs),Yadev(30) & ZAK(43) bowled very well in support. Umpiring was poor at best with Umpire Dar being worse of the 2. If only the Umpires gave plumb LBW's Out, the match would have been over in <4 days. England had outstanding performances from Cook, Prior & Swann.The rest failed. Overall India stuck to the task ahead & got the job done. India need to play with the same intensity to win the series.

Posted by SK_Shahi on (November 19, 2012, 20:03 GMT)

Dhoni is right. Pitch has nothing for the bowlers on 4-5 days. The way India made 80 runs in 16th over - shows the condition of the pitch. Well done boys specially Indian Bowlers.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 20:00 GMT)

Dhoni, clearly, has sent a message to the English by stating that this was not the kind of turning pitch he wanted. In fact, this is what they call a 'mind game'. However, no curator can make a pitch turn from ball one without playing with the pitch. Therefore, irrespective of what Dhoni has to say, the English should be reasonably confident after a good second-inning-feature in Ahmadabad. Hoping for a better contest!

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 19:22 GMT)

The DRS was used in the 2011 World Cup, which was co-hosted by BCCI, but ICC did not use it in the T20 World Cup earlier this year, and no one raised any objections. Stop blaming the BCCI for everything. They do not always make the right decisions, but it doesn't mean they should be made a one-size-fits-all scapegoat for all problems related to cricket.

Posted by vishnuas on (November 19, 2012, 19:20 GMT)

People should play the game to be better at what they do. One shouldnt be desparate in using technology to force a result. Dhoni's stand on umpires is same as the stand he maintains with his players. You have to become better at what you do and become - a better feilder, a better player, a better umpire, a better groundsman.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 19:04 GMT)

England are poor players of spin and struggle in the subcontinent. Yet they put up a strong resistance in the second innings and made the Indians work hard for victory. Alas, the same can't be said of Dhoni and his boys during the last 2 tours to England and Australia. And he has no right to complain against umpiring errors. He and the Indian establishment are the main reasons for DRS not being used. A pitch with fast turn and good but even bounce will also help the fast bowlers. Such a pitch is not easy to make though. There was a time, when Indian batters cud play fast bowling on seamer friendly pitches and Indian fast bowlers too got quick wickets on them. That was the time when true cricket fan from India was proud of his team. Apni gali mein to har koi sher hota hai.

Posted by kumarcoolbuddy on (November 19, 2012, 18:58 GMT)

@johnathonjosephs, I know you are trues SL fan so tell me what is SL good and bad at? BTW Indians are strong at spin bowling but that doesn't mean that they are that bad at fast bowling. Indians performed very well and won test matches and series in all kind of pitches in SL, ENG, NZ, AUS, WI etc. Don't just judge one or two failures. It is all about how well you are preparing and circumstances support you besides to having talent.

Posted by S.Jagernath on (November 19, 2012, 18:48 GMT)

Umesh Yadav & Pragyan Ojha were very impressive.It was clearly a flat pitch on the 1st,4th & 5th days.M.S Dhoni is correct in asking for turning surfaces but for some reason curators refuse to listen & produce brilliant matches.Cheteshwar Pujara was outstanding,imagine this was the same guy that watched Suresh Raina play instead of him.Hopefully,Mumbai will really turn & Sachin Tendulkar pounds England.

Posted by Cpt.Meanster on (November 19, 2012, 18:36 GMT)

Dhoni can be worried about whatever he wants BUT the fact remains India did SUPERBLY. One of the English fans "phoenixsteve" calls this performance as 'ordinary'. Some English fans will continue to cry like babies when they are clearly WEAK against top quality spin bowling. Ojha and Ashwin are not Ajmal or Mendis BUT they were a handful even on this slow and low turner. It was NOT a dust bowl by any means. Just goes to show how ordinary England are in these conditions. Yeah, they did score 400 but that was more so because Dhoni wanted to rest Ojha and Ashwin and give the quicks some time to bowl. Heck, even our seamers did WELL on this pitch; something which the English quicks cannot even say. So overall our team did EXTREMELY well. It was an extra-ordinary performance by all counts. It's sad some English fans cannot see through that.

Posted by Jose on (November 19, 2012, 18:32 GMT)

Looks like Dhoni & Sehwag haven't cemented their differences yet. Dhoni praised all bowlers and extraordinary Pujara, but not bothered to mention quick century made by Sehwag in the 1st innings. Hope this doesn't effect the remaining series.

Posted by rogues13 on (November 19, 2012, 18:30 GMT)

Well to all advocating the use of DRS, Currently 8 teams are playing test matches, out of which only AUS VS SA are using the DRS system. BCCI atleast has a reason of not using it, Coz of accuracy reason, why are other teams not using it? Instead of Making BCCI accept it, the ICC should first think of providing DRS to countries who favour the DRS.

Posted by cheguramana on (November 19, 2012, 17:07 GMT)

Its really nice to hear words of praise for our bowlers !! Pls keep that up Mr Dhoni. Our batsmen get enough praise, fees, prizes, awards, sponsorship deals etc. Our bowlers really do work hard. Esp. the fast bowlers in this - both Zaheer and Umesh were very impressive. Keep it up guys ! We need more passion for bowling amongst the young cricketers of this country.

Posted by Cricket_Fan_And_Analyst on (November 19, 2012, 17:05 GMT)

Dhoni is doing the right thing here by talking about poor umpiring. ICC must know the standard of its umpires , especially without DRS. Poor umpiring shouldn't go uncriticized. Having DRS is no excuse for umpiring as bad as we saw in this test.

Posted by crindex on (November 19, 2012, 17:01 GMT)

DRS is a necessary evil and India has to swallow the bitter pill sooner or later. No technology is perfect and neither is DRS. Cricket is heading that way whether India likes it or not.

Posted by crindex on (November 19, 2012, 16:46 GMT)

I failed to understand why there are no uniform pitch standards that ICC formulates for all pitches in all all countries? Is it too hard to come up with a standard template which works for all ? If FIFA can come up with standard in football size and shape why not ICC with pitches ?

Posted by PPD123 on (November 19, 2012, 16:43 GMT)

I agree with Dhoni - The groundsman should work in tandem with the Indian team and provide turn and bounce. Indian play spin better than anyone else in the world, bring on Swann, Panesar and Patel... India will collar them for 350/400 even on decent spinning track. I dont mind a test ending on the 4th day. Also taking toss out of the equation is a good suggestion by Dhoni - given his record at tosses in all formats - He has hardly ever won back to back tosses - In Mumbai, toss will be a vital factor, winning the toss and batting 1st will be half the battle won...

Posted by Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on (November 19, 2012, 16:35 GMT)

Congratulations India. Excellent win. Pujara - he is probably better than my idol Dravid. India can't ask for more. Ojha has been a revelation with his flight, guile and variations. Absolutely top-class. Though Cook was dead plumb early on in his epic knock, let's keep it aside. His innings is a master-class to his teammates in the art of application against spin. Absolutely top-notch. Swann - well the lone warrior. These two Englishmen won the hearts of millions of Indians, if I may take the liberty of speaking for other Indians. Prior - who wouldn't want to have him in your team when the chips are down? Umpiring - very poor. Dead plumbs shouldn't need DRS by any standards at international level. Poor umpiring cannot be an excuse for DRS. In other words, stop defending poor umpiring. Umpires need to be pulled up for getting dead plumbs wrong. Added technology should be there for marginal calls, if umpires need help. Can DRS do that with any amount of reliability and validity? NO.

Posted by LakMak on (November 19, 2012, 15:43 GMT)

DRS can;t replace bad umpiring. for example, after 2 reviews and only 2 wickets down, the rest of the inning any way has to depend on umpiring not DRS. So nothing against DRS but uompiring standards need improvment.

Posted by tests_the_best on (November 19, 2012, 15:30 GMT)

Clever tactic by Dhoni or Zaheer to plot Bresnan's dismissal. Standing up to the stumps to negate Bresnan's ploy of standing outside to negate swing/lbw. Didn't matter much in this case as there was just one wicket to go but it's this kind of out-of-the-box thinking that captains should adopt to force things their way.

Posted by johnathonjosephs on (November 19, 2012, 15:04 GMT)

The English lost 13 wickets to spin on a relatively flat track. The English are extremely vulnerable to spin just as the Indians are vulnerable to fast bowling. Ajmal and Warne have run through England and if Murali played as much games as Warne, he probably would have a a sub 20 bowling average

Posted by Harshtmm on (November 19, 2012, 14:55 GMT)

I think it is unfair to critize the groundsmen for the poor spin bowlers we have. An Austrilian or SA team would torn them to shreds on this pitch. they weren't even close to being decent. They just got those wickets because English batsmen psyche themselves to death against non international class spinners. Dhoni the problem is in your team not else where.

Posted by ProdigyA on (November 19, 2012, 14:39 GMT)

For all the critisism that our fast bowlers keep recieving all the time, i think they bowled really really well. The English bowlers who are "supposedly" amonst the best were treated like street blowers, they basically bowled that way. It is very easy to perform on a green track but on such dust bowls is where the real skill is needed. Cant be more happy for Zak and even more for Umesh.

Posted by kingcobra85 on (November 19, 2012, 14:27 GMT)

DRS is not a excuse for poor umpiring. These umpires are good but had a very bad game according to any standard.

Posted by BlackLusterSoldier on (November 19, 2012, 14:16 GMT)

For all those that question DRS... Let's weigh our options- We have a system in the DRS which gives on an average (according to experts) a 95% chance of getting a decision right. On the other hand, there's an age old system in place which involves accepting an umpire's decision without appeal which nowadays looks like giving an average of say 4 out of 5 decisions right after seeing the ball trajectory through Hawk-eye. Why then can't we change to the new system that clearly gives you a better change of getting it right? Why do we only look at and question that 5% chance of the DRS committing an error? The system's only improving and technology can only make decisions more accurate. We have to learn to accept this just like so many test nations are doing. It's better for the game which with time is evolving and we too have to evolve our thoughts with it.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 14:14 GMT)

The captain should not speak so directly on a pitch in the middle of the series and more importantly,specify what type of pitch he wants to see in the coming games.the pitch at ahmedabad wasn't so bad

Posted by bigwonder on (November 19, 2012, 13:38 GMT)

Good win by India. As expected, Umpiring was below par. I guess Umpires get complacent when they are too accustomed to DRS. Cook tried his best but this was not his best performance. He survived many times (thanks to Umpires). Prior was in the same boat. It was funny to watch Broad and Bresnan trying to rough up the pitch on day 5. It was pathetic rather than amusing. Overall, India needs little more contribution from its senior players for next match and England needs lot of contribution to make a challenging 2nd test.

Posted by LIBRAN on (November 19, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

DRS is not the answer, as the system is flawed. England got some bad ones and so did india, you cant possibly say what impact they had on the game. 2 reviews are not enough when you compare the # of howlers in this game. Problem we have is we cant have unlimited reviews as it will waste a lot of time, however, rather than captain asking for the review an umpire should ask the third umpire if unsure and base the decision on info provided. yeah it might take longer but so be it. NO TO DRS, Make umpires more responsible, let them earn the bucks..

Posted by ttechlaw on (November 19, 2012, 13:17 GMT)

We should go back to the days of playing on uncovered wickets. Test results will be a certainty, and it'll make bowlers have a say in the game as well. Just a thought.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 19, 2012, 12:48 GMT)

@cricketforpeace : DRS has to start somewhere for sure. Why not pick a DRS which is cost effective and try it out in county or in some domestic tournaments and find out its flaws and frame a way of usage which will be the best available and very much cost effective for all the teams to use it uniformly. ICC should rather work to do something than simply sitting and waiting for BCCI to accept the flawed tech they offer and convincing them to accept the thing they don't believe and don't want to waste their money on.

Posted by maddy20 on (November 19, 2012, 12:44 GMT)

Lets face it. 2 reviews per innings is not enough. If ICC wants everyone to accept it, 4 per innings or atleast 3 would be a good place to start. Jacques Kallis was at the receiving of end of some horrendous umpiring despite of DRS. A team is risking 50% of its DRS quota everytime it appeals, and if it goes against them, they will end up in a "once bitten, twice shy" situation and will think twice before risking their last referral. SO more referrals is the way forward. An even way for ICC to fix this situation, is to train better umpires, more so considering the DRS howlers were a result of clueless umpires pressing the wrong buttons! Heard Mr.Taufel is heading such a thing. Lets pray that it works!

Posted by Subhajit111 on (November 19, 2012, 12:42 GMT)

I think,DRS should have been in the game,but with insufficient evidence decision should be given as ground umpire thinks,otherwise umpires should do these things again

Posted by sensible-indian-fan on (November 19, 2012, 12:14 GMT)

Many may not agree with me but I would be delighted to see test matches played in only dust bowls and green tops where a score of 250 is considered unbelievably awesome. In such cases, any team can win. All that is required is a snorter of a spell and a good innings from 1 or 2 batsmen. Imagine how awesome it would be when you watch a test match expecting a wicket to fall every ball. Sigh......

Posted by BigDataIsAHoax on (November 19, 2012, 12:07 GMT)

DRS has eroded the quality of umpiring so much! U need at least 10 reviews per team per innings to have satisfactory performance of the system, the umpiring was that ridiculous. Good umpires have now become mediocre. Taking it too easy.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 11:51 GMT)

i think Dhoni is quite right , it doesn't mean that Dhoni should convince Bcci to go for the DRS,then what for umpires are there for?, it was not the single decision they got wrong, they were wrong on more than 5 occasions..

Posted by RogerC on (November 19, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

DRS is not accurate and it has been proven several times. Remember Kallis talking against DRS in the recent England-SA series. Just because umpires made some mistakes in this test, one can't introduce an error prone DRS system to rectify the situation. It all evens out as in the case of Samit Patel in this test.

Posted by shrastogi on (November 19, 2012, 11:50 GMT)

No Dhoni, rank turners can not be given to you as your record holder star is foolish enough to attack without getting his eye in and one of your opener is still has to come back to real form. The selectors should realise that we have won because of youngsters and they need decent surfaces to show their mettle. As there is no DRS why blame umpires. Agree with you that our bowlers did bowl very well and do you realise that out of 20 they took 12 wickets in the morning sessions and out of remaining eight 3 came in the evening session on day 3 so it looks that they were getting tired. I would have liked to see Yuvraj bowling more. Pujara & Ojha cant love you more and Sehwag - we should have won by 10 wickets. So Dhoni keep spinning the coin well.

Posted by sanjaycrickfan on (November 19, 2012, 11:49 GMT)

Some people here are behaving as though umpires are above criticism and DRS will make everything perfect. First of all, I dont think he criticized umpires here. He said his bowlers were made to take more than 10 wickets, which can happen if certain decisions dont go your way and its part of the game. Too much is being made out of this statement.

Secondly, even if there was DRS, umpires can make mistakes which can affect the result because after 2 reviews, captains cant make any more referrals.

Overall, the quality of umpiring should improve if we want to see better results and nothing wrong in pointing that out by captains.

Posted by torsha on (November 19, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

Why in the world Dhoni should stop criticizing umpiring? Before we also had umpires and no DRS and still we got the decent decisions. This match is won by India thats' why it's not big deal for u guys. You can't impose DRS forcefully and standarad of umpiring have been declined these days.

Posted by kensohatter on (November 19, 2012, 11:47 GMT)

@Dirk... Cookie is learning fast especially when there were not many positives to take out of the batting aside from his brillant innings and the gutsy effort from Prior. The rest looked out of their depth. India are a great side at home you have to give them that... Now that the aussies are not as dominant its probably the hardest tour to win

Posted by pratit on (November 19, 2012, 11:41 GMT)

And umpiring in this match has been horrible. Lack of DRS cannot be a justification for incompetence.

Posted by itsthewayuplay on (November 19, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

Firstly, the Indian bowlers may well have had to take more 10 wickets but it's hard to feel sympathy for them if India chose not to use the DRS. Anyways the purpose of DRS is to prevent absolute howlers and not every marginal call after dozens of replays from every angle. There were only 1 or 2 decisions in real time from the camera where the India can feel hard done by. Secondly, if there is not much turn as Dhoni has then he should be speaking to the BCCI who should be speaking to the groundsmen. Even Pujara after his double said this wicket was on the slow side. Whatever type pitch is prepared, it's in cricket's long-term interest to prepare pitches where batsmen have to work for their runs and bowlers have to work for wickets.

Posted by cricketforpeace on (November 19, 2012, 11:39 GMT)

It is high time that Dhoni/ BCCI realizes that all his comments about having to "work harder for the wickets" amounts to only offering a lame excuse. Non-implementation of the DRS is not going to get them anywhere. Agreed the DRS is nowhere to near perfect but then you need to start somewhere. As the usages increases, the system further evolves - for the better. If he feels that the Indian team has been done in by the umpires,he should realize that it works both ways for both the teams concerned. At the end of the day you accept the decision of the umpires in a graceful manner and move on. There are no points to be scored here. By the way, I am an Indian and really loved the way both Cook and Prior batted in the second innings.

Posted by pratit on (November 19, 2012, 11:38 GMT)

Generally I am a critic of the BCCI, but after the way DRS was used in England with TV umpires judging more out of their whims rather than evidence provided, I cannot blame the BCCI this time for not taking the UDRS.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 19, 2012, 11:32 GMT)

India questions DRS not only because it is not 100% but they had to pay 5000$ wherever it is used in the name of ICC. If all the home boards are ready to use uniform DRS by paying it themselves and all the umpires are going to use DRS in a same manner, then BCCI wouldn't have any issues with it for sure. Dhoni is smart enough without directly mention "Umpires are bad in this game" and simply putting it as bowlers had to take more than 10 wickets. Even the teams embracing the DRS like SL are playing without hot spot. WI, BD and SL will not have it to use DRS consistently every series due to the constraint. Let us be practical. Can't expect one board to pay for them all.

Posted by Fearless_Greens on (November 19, 2012, 11:22 GMT)

DRS is becoming an integral part of the cricket with every passing day. All countries except india are used to it. Now this creates a problem for the umpires. In a series with DRS facility umpires have some peace of mind that even if they are wrong still captains have the option to get a second chance. However in the absence of DRS umpires feel more shaky now and they may be giving too many benefits of the doubt to the batting side. I think its bad for umpires too. They are now getting used to DRS and suddenly india vs some team series comes up where there is no DRS. However umpires must be professional and vigilant enough to make the right decisions with or without DRS. That would be an ideal case though.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

Botham is spot on. The 4 changes are definitely required. Bell has gone back. Patel was way below par to find a place on merit. Broad was all over the place, without threatening any of the Indian batsmen. England were a spinner short, and Bresnan seems to be the odd man out, to make room for him. So out go Bell, Patel, Broad and Bresnan with Morgan, Bairstow, Panesar and Finn replacing them. If Finn is still unfit, I'd rope in Onions.

Posted by o-bomb on (November 19, 2012, 11:20 GMT)

How can he criticise the umpires when he refuses to ue the tool available to help get the correct decisions? Really poor show from Dhoni!

Posted by Beazle on (November 19, 2012, 10:56 GMT)

The rest of the world laughs at India's refusal to have DRS. It is their own fault if they think the umpires have got it wrong.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 10:53 GMT)

As far decision is concerned there is no need for Dhoni to complaint now i think he should realise it and conveince the Board to go for the UDRS or face this same kinds of bad decision from the umpire and if he doesn't want to use the DRS then he should not have the right to complaint against the umpires.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 10:50 GMT)

The technology is there , so use it . DRS simply corrects a few wrong decisons , so whats wrong with it . There still will be conflicts about decisons even with the DRS , but it improves the quality of game

Posted by othello22 on (November 19, 2012, 10:42 GMT)

So let me get this straight... India refuses to use DRS because they are "concerned that the technology is not 100% reliable and accurate"... Now they are complaining because the umpiring is not 100% reliable and accurate? Oh how I laughed.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 10:34 GMT)

Didn't India get 'less than 10 wickets' by that logic when Samit Patel was wrongly given out twice? Didn't Dhoni mention this fact?

Posted by Yayathy on (November 19, 2012, 10:25 GMT)

So you guys mean to say that Umpires never made mistake before DRS was invented nor the captains complain about it. Just see this verdict as something happened before the appearance of DRS.

What if the DRS is used and the verdict is unconvincing as it happened with Ian Bell in WC? Still the team looses the Review right?

Posted by ns_krishnan on (November 19, 2012, 10:16 GMT)

Dhoni should stop criticizing the umpires. They are after all human, and the next time there is big LBW shout against him, the comments might tilt things against him.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 19, 2012, 10:15 GMT)

And Mr.Dhoni, tireless appeals do make things tough for the umpires too. Players when they know it is not out, can just appeal. But screaming appeal for balls clearly pitched outside leg and no way near the bat are just needless. I think the umpire will make his mind until he is double sure, he won't give it. Unfortunately, he gave a wrong decision to Patel in first innings. I wouldn't say it was howler in second innings because it did clip stumps and even the god DRS wouldn't have saved him. Two poor decisions went against England and India did have more than that. As much the umpires need to buck up and do a better job, the players too need to do aid them by not howling appeals for silly things.

Posted by stormy16 on (November 19, 2012, 10:13 GMT)

Mr. Dhoni - ever heard of technology called DRS? Please complain to the BCCI. The rest of the cricket world doesnt want to take more than 10 wickets either and use DRS for this.

Posted by satish619chandar on (November 19, 2012, 10:11 GMT)

DRS is a entirely different thing. We do get better decisions but at a very very high cost and the world knows who is going to pay for it. I am damn sure if the home boards are going to bear it and it is going to be used in uniform form throughout the world, BCCI wouldn't have any doubt in sponsoring in the tours happening in their home. But unfortunately, they being the richest board are expected to pay when others play too. That is a bit unfair on BCCI who are doing every bit to make sure cricket is the game of the country and are generating huge money by doing everything they can. I still can't understand why ICC can't come with a DRS which is cost effective and saves money as well as eliminates howlers. And, not having DRS is no excuse for poor umpiring. If DRS is there and players can review, then leave it to third umpire for any decision. On field umpire can look only on wide and no ball and counting 6 deliveries.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 19, 2012, 10:10 GMT)

The BCCI would have measured how to make money on the DRS as well, and it will ensure it gets a couple of sponsors to more than underwrite the cost through an advertisement that will be embedded on each display, whether it is the ball tracker or the hotspot or the snickometer or whatever combination comes into play. So, please don't imagine the BCCI is not aware of the opportunity. They are opposing it because it has shown to be inconsistent, and clearly their team can win without it! More importantly, England can do without it, with the evidence at hand from this match!

Posted by asiacricket1234 on (November 19, 2012, 10:09 GMT)

I thought players arent allowed to complain about umpire openly :O. I think an Indian captain shouldnt be whining about umpiring. They are the one who choose not to have drs.

Posted by sweetspot on (November 19, 2012, 10:05 GMT)

Here we go again with this DRS nonsense! Forget about the technology, the rules themselves do not stand up if the fundamental quality of umpiring is bad. Why is DRS limited by "using up" two appeals if you go wrong on both occasions? After that the umpire has every right to be wrong? Just because DRS can eliminate bloopers doesn't mean the whole world should sign up for it as if it is the panacea for all umpiring problems. We saw how well it worked in England, so enough already.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 10:02 GMT)

Dont think India and Dhoni will get much sympathy out there. Ok - agreed there are problems with the technologies but there is always a case if the DRS can actually make an upward improvement in the decision making percentage. If the Hawkeye minus its predictive function was used it would have been a good enough back up for the onfield umpire in their decision making. Hot spot too. sad. Its strange why India has so much strong issue against DRS.

Posted by Sarangarajan on (November 19, 2012, 9:51 GMT)

Aleem Dar has been poor in this test match- so too was Tony Hill.Aleem Dar was generous towards Cook and Prior on atleast two occasions.But then DRS is not there in the series due to BCCI and hence Dhoni should not squeal about umpiring in this series.Any how, Aleem Dar has been disappointing , as he has been excellent so far.May be he had bad day at the office.

Posted by MJ1234 on (November 19, 2012, 9:50 GMT)

Umpires are bound to make mistakes. The DRS was brought in specifically to reduce the margin of error. Now, if the BCCI does not want DRS to be implemented for India's matches, they need to take such decisions with a pinch of salt instead of making such comments (veiled or direct).

Posted by Boston_Legal on (November 19, 2012, 9:46 GMT)

Mr Cook, you cannot hide behind the fact that the team scored well in the second innings. There is another glaring fact that you want to ignore is that the bowling unit did not look like taking twenty Indian wickets (actually, it did not even take ten)! So time to leave out your mate, Broad Jr, and his back up, and make room for Finn and Monty. Please try and recall the scorecards of the Pakistan tests after Monty was included in the XI. He grabbed more wickets in those two tests than Swann managed in three.

Posted by Ankurjain18 on (November 19, 2012, 9:45 GMT)

No doubt ICC still has to work a lot on quality of Umpires globally. There were many decisions which could have been corrected if DRS would have been placed, but BCCI is as stubborn as its captain MSD. Going forward, the series will become tougher for Englishmen specially on Mumbai where there will be spin and bounce at the same time. With Bell not available and KP's horror of playing Ojha, the management really need to Cook something fast. India will only be working with curators while MSD practicing to win the toss.

Posted by D-Ascendant on (November 19, 2012, 9:45 GMT)

Either you get DRS and overturn bad decisions. Or you go without DRS and accept those bad decisions. Just don't whinge.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 9:37 GMT)

There's a ready solution for those who want to question Umpires. It's called DRS.

Posted by Slogger_John on (November 19, 2012, 9:37 GMT)

Dhoni has no right to complain about umpires. Its very simple - DRS.

Posted by Balumekka on (November 19, 2012, 9:35 GMT)

Then why opposing DRS? either bring DRS in or not complain!

Posted by vishal27892 on (November 19, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

yeah england should have their selection issues sorted out and bring in monty panesar if they want to have some impact in this test series.............but i feel england will end up loosing 4-0 because they are such poor players of spin bowling and almost every track turns here in india.....well done tem india for such a comprehensive victory!!! cheers for pujara and ojha

Posted by jonesy2 on (November 19, 2012, 9:34 GMT)

the fact that bresnan and broad keep getting selected is amazing in itself. they are barely county cricket standard bowlers. its almost as funny as MSD talking about umpiring, not wanting DRS n all.

Posted by Alexk400 on (November 19, 2012, 9:33 GMT)

Ok Even england bat well , what they really need fast bowler to put pressure on them. Swann can put pressure if he had total to defend. Their bowlers has dicipline to get wickets. Issue is first inning batting. Can england take first 10 wickets of indian inning. England only hope is win Toss and bat first and BAT BAT BAT 2 days and put 550 runs. Then all england bowlers will be effective. I strongly believe england win and lose depends on sehwag wicket. if they get sehwag early , its easy to put pressure on indian line up. As far india concerened i will try bhaji in mumbai and rest ashwin. Yadav is best bet better than dinda any day. He picks wickets here and there. India really need spinning wicket in bombay to go 2-0.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 9:31 GMT)

The umpiring was a bit poor this game but not all the decisions went England's way, ask Patel! As for Dhoni he's painted himself into such a corner that any time he mentions the umpiring the immediate response is going to be "DRS!" my sympathy for his self inflicted wounds is limited.

Posted by grizzle on (November 19, 2012, 9:27 GMT)

I hope that this was a hint to the BCCI rather than a criticism of the umpires. Forced to concentrate for 90 overs a day under the hot sun, the umps will make occasional mistakes. The problem is that many of these could and should have been corrected with the DRS.

Posted by Gupta.Ankur on (November 19, 2012, 9:25 GMT)

Well many will slam India here, but as evident from articles here, India got more bad decisions than England.

Cook added 130 runs more than he should have and India should have won by more than an innings and 60-70 runs.

The problem with having DRS is, that people now don't question umpires but BCCI.

When you two people out there for making decisions and they make glaring errors, they must penalized or dropped if needed be.

Posted by thegoodgame on (November 19, 2012, 9:23 GMT)

Well, another way of looking at it is, maybe he is making a point to the BCCI for not signing up to DRS. Even if the technology is less than accurate, it is still the same for both teams - so doesn't that even it out?

Posted by Newlandsfaithful on (November 19, 2012, 9:22 GMT)

Ah well... if you're going to reject the only system available to make umpiring a bit fairer, well then you can't exactly complain. I think the rather ugly symptom that emerged from players not having confidence in the umpiring - the excessive appealing tarnished this game and made it somewhat forgettable. As a spectator that is not something I want to see. Is this the way things are going to be in India?

Posted by therock901 on (November 19, 2012, 9:19 GMT)

Umpiring has been of low standards in this test match..

Posted by anoopshameed on (November 19, 2012, 9:17 GMT)

The unavailability of DRS should not be an excuse for poor umpiring-in fact, it should be examined if DRS has affected the standard of umpiring by allowing the umpires to take it too easy on themselves!

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 9:14 GMT)

Dhoni, you have to blame the Board and yourself for that, not the umpires. You all have refused to use DRS. DRS may not be 100% correct, but it is useful in a situation like this. May your eyes be opened.

Posted by   on (November 19, 2012, 9:11 GMT)

How was that statement a question on the umpires? He just stated a fact that it was hard work. Am I missing something?

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