June 24, 2011

Welcome back Rahul Dravid

His overseas performances had fallen significantly over the last four years, but his performance at Sabina Park suggests he is ready for a scrap once again
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The last four years have been difficult for the batsman who had set such ridiculously high standards for himself in Test cricket, but the Kingston game should go a long way in answering the questions which have been raised about Rahul Dravid and his batting in the last few years. It's also the perfect start in a season which is likely to be crucial for him and for Indian cricket, with tours to England and Australia lined up within the next six months.

Dravid obviously needs to thank Darren Sammy for putting down a regulation chance in the slips when he had scored only 6, but he was also skilful enough to offer no further chances on a pitch on which no other batsman looked comfortable. In this one innings alone, Dravid scored almost as many as he did in six innings in the Test series in South Africa last season.

More than any other batsman in the Indian team, Dravid is the one who is most used to grinding his way through tough conditions, but over the last few years that's exactly what had been missing from his batting. In his last 16 series before this one, Dravid had averaged less than 26 in six of them, including twice in South Africa and Sri Lanka, and once in England. Dravid had always been India's jewel in overseas conditions, which is why these failures were particularly galling. (The only good overseas series he had during this period was in New Zealand, when he averaged 62.80.) Combine these failures abroad with 60-plus averages in two series against Bangladesh, and one each at home against New Zealand and a weak Sri Lankan attack, and it seemed that Dravid's USP had suddenly deserted him.

A comparison between his numbers during these four-and-a-half years and the previous such period brings out the stark contrast in his overseas numbers. There isn't much to choose between his home stats, but on tours his average between 2002 and 2006 was more than twice his recent average. In 30 overseas Tests then he scored ten centuries; now it reduced to two from 26, and even those two hundreds came in Bangladesh. In fact, the last time Dravid scored an overseas hundred against a team other than Bangladesh was on India's last tour to the West Indies five years ago, when he made 146 in St Lucia. Since then he went 47 innings without a hundred, which is an awfully long time for a batsman of his class.

Rahul Dravid in Tests between Apr 2002 and Nov 2006
  Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Overall 49 4720 68.40 14/ 22
Home 19 1560 55.71 4/ 9
Away 30 3160 77.07 10/ 13
Away excl. Zim and B'desh 26 2825 76.35 9/ 11
Rahul Dravid in Tests between Dec 2006 and May 2011
  Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Overall 46 3014 39.65 8/ 13
Home 20 1518 48.96 6/ 4
Away 26 1496 33.24 2/ 9
Away excl. Zim and B'desh 22 1165 29.12 0/ 8

Dravid's century at Sabina Park also reconfirmed his ability to score big runs at No.3 after the early loss of the first wicket. In this case, M Vijay fell without a run on the board, which means there was a fair amount of pressure when he came in to bat, despite India's first-innings lead.

At his peak, Dravid used to pride himself on the ability to come in early, soak up the pressure of the new ball and fresh bowlers, and then build a huge score brick by painstaking brick. Of late, though, he had lost that ability somewhat. The table below shows his performances at No.3 sorted by the score at which he came in to bat, and it's clear that he scored most of his runs only when the openers had put together a solid partnership. In the 30 innings when the first wicket fell at 20 or less, Dravid averaged only 30.79, with five 50-plus scores. On the other hand, when the openers have put together more than 75, Dravid's average has soared to 60.50, with five centuries.

That's a far cry from how it used to be during Dravid's pomp. Between April 2002 and November 2006, Dravid came in to bat early 38 times, and averaged an incredible 69.44. In those 38 innings, 17 times he scored fifty or more, including six centuries. That includes the unforgettable 148 at Headingley in 2002, and his 270 in Rawalpindi in 2004, which helped India clinch the series.

During that period between 2002 and 2006, Dravid won seven of his 11 Man-of-the-Match awards. Between the two Kingston matches in 2006 and 2011, the only he won the prize was against New Zealand in Nagpur in 2010. The challenge for Dravid will be to continue this form, for over the next eight months, there will surely be many more games in which conditions will be tough for batting, and where his class could make the decisive difference.

Rahul Dravid at No.3 between Dec 2006 and May 2011, by point-of-entry score
Entry score Innings Runs Average 100s/ 50s
20 or less 30 893 30.79 2/ 3
21 to 75 22 817 38.90 1/ 7
Greater than 75 19 1089 60.50 5/ 2
Total 71 2799 41.16 8/ 12

Dravid's runs obviously tell the story of his skill and his immense contribution for India, but it doesn't tell how many runs he has helped other batsmen score. His ability to occupy the crease for long periods and his sheer solidity have allowed other batsmen to express themselves freely and add plenty of runs to the team's cause.

As the table below shows, no batsman has been involved in as many partnership runs as Dravid. Sachin Tendulkar and Ricky Ponting have scored more runs, but they also tend to bat more aggressively and dominate partnerships. Dravid, on the other hand, is the anchor who doesn't mind playing second fiddle to other, more high-profile strokeplayers. Only, when the conditions get really difficult, like they did at Sabina Park, Dravid is the one who usually takes centrestage. That had changed for a while over the last few years, but all of India will be hoping - given what lies ahead for the team - that normal service has been restored.

Partnership runs for all batsmen in the 10,000 club
Batsman Own runs Partnership runs Percentage
Rahul Dravid 12,215 29,420 41.52
Sachin Tendulkar 14,692 28,794 51.02
Jacques Kallis 11,947 25,540 46.78
Ricky Ponting 12,363 24,898 49.65
Allan Border 11,174 24,500 45.61
Steve Waugh 10,927 23,457 46.58
Brian Lara 11,953 21,495 55.61
Sunil Gavaskar 10,122 21,080 48.02

S Rajesh is stats editor of Cricinfo

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  • harshthakor on June 26, 2011, 13:12 GMT

    From 2002-2006 arguably the word's best batsman.Ina stats analysis he was even better than Tendulkarin that period.He crossed 8,000 runs at the highest test batting average ever.Sadly his form went into decline in the last few years in which Sachin made a phenomenal comeback.Technically the best batsman in the world but still lacks the innovative ability of Tendulkar,Ponting and Lara.Has one of the highest batting averages at one down ahead of even Sir Viv Richards but stats does not tell the whole story and Rahul could not dominate great bowling like Viv Richards or Walter Hammond.In a crisis Rahul is arguably amongst the top 3 batsman of all time reminiscent of Ian Chappell,Javed Miandad and Alan Border.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 19:26 GMT

    Sachin is in all-time XI batting at No.4 postion.

    Dravid - not even in 2nd all-time XI,may not even be in third.

    End of the story.

  • on June 25, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    All Dravid can do now is to score against avg teams like NZ WI by scoring meaningful runs that contribute to wins.............he was a complete failure against AUS and SA SL where Sachin destroyed oppositions by scorring meanindless lot of runs that could not contribute to wins.............................................................The reason is that against weak batting sides like NZ WI etc, whatever u score is likely to produce wins.....................................if Sachin had opted for such apolicy to play only the weak sides he would have lot of 100s in team's victories...............but his problem is that weak sides do not pose him the challenge that may bring out the best out of him and he always opt out of playing against weak sides esp in ODIs

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 18:15 GMT

    @Ganchu, there are many things like that to pull up Sachin and ask him. He just nailed it with his tasteless decisions of exposing the 10th and a debutant 11th batsman to Steyn and Co. Well, at the end of the day people must be able to sleep with contentment when they rest their head on the pillow knowing that they fought till the end and used everything in their armoury. Doesn't seem to be the case with Sachin. I wouldn't complain even if he remained unbeaten. But the means by which he achieved the ends were tasteless.

  • Ganchu on June 25, 2011, 17:53 GMT

    Really dravid is greater than Sachin! A matured crickter played at any position to suit the teams requirement and even don the gloves.Has sachin volunterilly ever open the innings in tests instead struck to his 4th place.Even in ondays also he fought for his opening slot and never supported dravid during his captency.

  • on June 25, 2011, 17:43 GMT

    in test cricket dravid is surely better than any other batsman.. including sachin!!!!

  • ilovcricket on June 25, 2011, 16:42 GMT

    I m not here to compare..just here to justify who is a BETTER CRICKETER, RAHUL or SACHIN ..its surely RAHUL !!!!! in all THREE formats more runs scored for the period since RAHUL s debut in TEST/ODI cricket ..MORE runs scored in wins/partnerships, MORE catches taken, more th an 10000 ODI runs in ALL BATTING positions for a batsmen in ODI; WICKET KEEPING, CATCHES; CAPTAINCY (we all know SACHIN was/is a poor CAPTAIN including IPL), RAHUL IS THE BEST !!! even today there are so many Indian ODI cricketers with similar strike rates as RAHUL .....

  • 5why on June 25, 2011, 15:40 GMT

    Rajesh, will you please publish a similar piece on partnerships involving key players in ODI matches ? This will make a very interesting reading for all.

  • on June 25, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    we have heard so much crap from dimwit fans of the indian cricket team (like one Mr.RAVI DARIRA or something....thats a funny name btw :) .... both rahul and sachin hold a speacial place in the sane minds of indian fans.....id still say sachin is the master of limited overs game, and rahul holds the cards for the longer version....alas! if only a few numbs could comprehend it.....just to belottle the GREAT WALL of INDIA

  • on June 25, 2011, 13:41 GMT

    @ravi darira, seriously man as they say don't be in favour of someone so much tht u r blind to other ppl's achievements, sachin is a legend we all know tht he's one in a million, but tht doesn't undermine wht dravid has done in cricket be it tests or odi, if u say he hasn't been a gud player in odi then chk the past stats pls :) he didn't strt well in this format but he evolved and adapted to the nuances of the game,and if u see in the odi squad he's the one who's always sacrificed everything for the team, i mean his role in odi's has varied from being an opener to a no.3 ,4,5,6 to a finisher and also donned the gloves just to add value to the team, hence his avg is just short of a gud 40, so pls don't degrade one to appreciate another respect all :) and comparison abt both cricketers to india bangladesh is absurd. and abt sa last yr,he got strts but failed to capitalise was unlucky few times with unplayable deliveries but far importantly he looked confident on the crease :)

  • harshthakor on June 26, 2011, 13:12 GMT

    From 2002-2006 arguably the word's best batsman.Ina stats analysis he was even better than Tendulkarin that period.He crossed 8,000 runs at the highest test batting average ever.Sadly his form went into decline in the last few years in which Sachin made a phenomenal comeback.Technically the best batsman in the world but still lacks the innovative ability of Tendulkar,Ponting and Lara.Has one of the highest batting averages at one down ahead of even Sir Viv Richards but stats does not tell the whole story and Rahul could not dominate great bowling like Viv Richards or Walter Hammond.In a crisis Rahul is arguably amongst the top 3 batsman of all time reminiscent of Ian Chappell,Javed Miandad and Alan Border.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 19:26 GMT

    Sachin is in all-time XI batting at No.4 postion.

    Dravid - not even in 2nd all-time XI,may not even be in third.

    End of the story.

  • on June 25, 2011, 18:50 GMT

    All Dravid can do now is to score against avg teams like NZ WI by scoring meaningful runs that contribute to wins.............he was a complete failure against AUS and SA SL where Sachin destroyed oppositions by scorring meanindless lot of runs that could not contribute to wins.............................................................The reason is that against weak batting sides like NZ WI etc, whatever u score is likely to produce wins.....................................if Sachin had opted for such apolicy to play only the weak sides he would have lot of 100s in team's victories...............but his problem is that weak sides do not pose him the challenge that may bring out the best out of him and he always opt out of playing against weak sides esp in ODIs

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 25, 2011, 18:15 GMT

    @Ganchu, there are many things like that to pull up Sachin and ask him. He just nailed it with his tasteless decisions of exposing the 10th and a debutant 11th batsman to Steyn and Co. Well, at the end of the day people must be able to sleep with contentment when they rest their head on the pillow knowing that they fought till the end and used everything in their armoury. Doesn't seem to be the case with Sachin. I wouldn't complain even if he remained unbeaten. But the means by which he achieved the ends were tasteless.

  • Ganchu on June 25, 2011, 17:53 GMT

    Really dravid is greater than Sachin! A matured crickter played at any position to suit the teams requirement and even don the gloves.Has sachin volunterilly ever open the innings in tests instead struck to his 4th place.Even in ondays also he fought for his opening slot and never supported dravid during his captency.

  • on June 25, 2011, 17:43 GMT

    in test cricket dravid is surely better than any other batsman.. including sachin!!!!

  • ilovcricket on June 25, 2011, 16:42 GMT

    I m not here to compare..just here to justify who is a BETTER CRICKETER, RAHUL or SACHIN ..its surely RAHUL !!!!! in all THREE formats more runs scored for the period since RAHUL s debut in TEST/ODI cricket ..MORE runs scored in wins/partnerships, MORE catches taken, more th an 10000 ODI runs in ALL BATTING positions for a batsmen in ODI; WICKET KEEPING, CATCHES; CAPTAINCY (we all know SACHIN was/is a poor CAPTAIN including IPL), RAHUL IS THE BEST !!! even today there are so many Indian ODI cricketers with similar strike rates as RAHUL .....

  • 5why on June 25, 2011, 15:40 GMT

    Rajesh, will you please publish a similar piece on partnerships involving key players in ODI matches ? This will make a very interesting reading for all.

  • on June 25, 2011, 14:31 GMT

    we have heard so much crap from dimwit fans of the indian cricket team (like one Mr.RAVI DARIRA or something....thats a funny name btw :) .... both rahul and sachin hold a speacial place in the sane minds of indian fans.....id still say sachin is the master of limited overs game, and rahul holds the cards for the longer version....alas! if only a few numbs could comprehend it.....just to belottle the GREAT WALL of INDIA

  • on June 25, 2011, 13:41 GMT

    @ravi darira, seriously man as they say don't be in favour of someone so much tht u r blind to other ppl's achievements, sachin is a legend we all know tht he's one in a million, but tht doesn't undermine wht dravid has done in cricket be it tests or odi, if u say he hasn't been a gud player in odi then chk the past stats pls :) he didn't strt well in this format but he evolved and adapted to the nuances of the game,and if u see in the odi squad he's the one who's always sacrificed everything for the team, i mean his role in odi's has varied from being an opener to a no.3 ,4,5,6 to a finisher and also donned the gloves just to add value to the team, hence his avg is just short of a gud 40, so pls don't degrade one to appreciate another respect all :) and comparison abt both cricketers to india bangladesh is absurd. and abt sa last yr,he got strts but failed to capitalise was unlucky few times with unplayable deliveries but far importantly he looked confident on the crease :)

  • samya1980 on June 25, 2011, 12:52 GMT

    sometime i wonder who saved who during that 2002 to 2006 period, they say sourav saved dravid's career by offering him to keep wicket to stay affloat, and this data says dravid made dada's captaincy longer by scoring 100 after 100...but the truth is one man doing the bengali verson of kbc and the other man still fighting..this time for the man from ranchi...

  • on June 25, 2011, 12:31 GMT

    There is no one actually fits in dravid's shoes...Apart from the skill and text book shots, the patience which he has is HUGE...If he reites we India has to ifnd a new talent with all these skills for # 3 slot...

  • Sanklkar on June 25, 2011, 12:25 GMT

    It is very sad we are commenting on our own players. praise all the cricketers who have represented and contributed to the game. why compare one another. every cricketer has is plus and minus. do not forget cricket is not single player game it is a team game. Sachin must be good in one game and Dravid will be good in another. it is impossible to score 10,000 runs in one day international and test cricket without having serious talent.We hope and wish our cricket team best of luck for future games.

  • sachin86 on June 25, 2011, 12:10 GMT

    @mohanraj jp

    Yeah!dravid who is 3 months elder than sachin."young dravid" should still play but "old sachin" has to leave huh?

  • 5why on June 25, 2011, 11:45 GMT

    Et tu Harvinder on Ganguly ? Please be fair to a "fallen" hero, when he deserves a little kudos!

    Please check July 21, 2011 column of Ask Stevens for the following information.

    " Sourav Ganguly scored 2200 runs in 48 one-day internationals between March 22, 1999 and March 20, 2000. Ganguly also managed 2122 and 2097 runs in one-year periods around the same time (starting in March 1999), and then comes Sachin Tendulkar, who scored 2077 runs in 40 ODIs between December 11, 1997 and December 10, 1998. Rahul Dravid made 1928 runs in precisely the same time period as Ganguly's record, and the first non-Indian is Marvan Atapattu, who made 1844 runs in 50 ODIs between April 8, 2002 and April 7, 2003."

    I hope you and people like you will start pondering a little over your unfair bias on Ganguly, when you cannot defend it with facts. He has "fallen" because of your kind.

  • on June 25, 2011, 11:22 GMT

    If Dravid has to leave..then tat old age Sachin has to leave first

  • on June 25, 2011, 11:16 GMT

    its a big joke even to compare dravid to tendulkar. Its like bangadeshi fans comparing their team to India....haha..all of you dravid fans, which world are you living in??? If your dravid is such a great batsman, why is he not in the ODI side??? all real great batsmen (tendulkar, lara, sehwag, hayden!) are assets in all formats, and if you want to talk about technique in test matches, talk to sehwag who has 2 scores of 300, against pak and south africe, so how does scoring a 100 against a weak west indies make him good? (dnt talk abt the pitch, even barath, harbhajan scored runs on it..), what about his scores in South Africa last year?

  • Vnott on June 25, 2011, 11:11 GMT

    Rajesh is again playing around with numbers. If you analyse Dravid's Career it is obvious that post giving up his captaincy and the world cup disaster , Dravids batting took a nosedive, it was almost like he went into a depression - 2007 saw 10 tests@35.6 and 2008 which was his worst year saw15 tests@30.9 - You can say Dravid was given a chance to extend his career purely on reputation. 2009 saw a second wind - 6 tests @ 83 was Dravids career second best year behind 2003. 2010 saw 12 tests at 42.83 . Failure to counter Ajantha Mendis was a problem for all batsmen barring Sehwag..and Dravid had a bad run 3 tests averaging 19. The last series to South Africa brought in only 3 tests @ 24 avg. However realistically any analysis should see what Dravid has done since 2009. 20 Tests, 1706 runs, 6 hundreds, 6 fifties Average 55.03 - come on what more do you expect...Yes only 1 hundred but 4 fifties too overseas - he is doing just what he shd be.... quietly playing his part in wins...

  • on June 25, 2011, 10:51 GMT

    @5why You talked about an ODI record held by Ganguly till date and it is for 2200 runs in a calendar year ? you are wrong. The highest number of runs scored by any batsman in a year is 1893 or may be it is 1894 that is held by Sachin in 1998. Check your stats again before commenting.

  • on June 25, 2011, 9:43 GMT

    @ravichakra when some one like Sehwag,Yuvraj and Dhoni say that they only took up cricket because of Sachin surely that man had done some good to Indian cricket than racking up personal milestones.Even diehard Sachin fans has acknowledged poor form of Sachin in 2005-2006 so what stops you from admitting the same about Dravid and move on instead of throwing up some inane stats.Dravid has just failed to stand up against quality opposition in these 5 years and one can't ignore this except Dravid's fanboys.hope this century resurrects his career and he signs off with flying colours from test cricket.We have next generation of test cricketers to take forward the legacy of Indian cricket.

  • harshthakor on June 25, 2011, 8:32 GMT

    The best batsman in a crisis who overshadowed even SachinTendulkar.He could also master bad wickets.Won crucial games against Pakistan,Australia and West Indies from precarious positions.Similar to Javed Miandad and Alan Border.

  • 5why on June 25, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    I do not understand why Ganguly has featured in several comments under this topic. And all of them in a negative sense, as if there was nothing good about Ganguly's contribution to Indian cricket.

    How many have noted the fact that he still holds one ODI WORLD RECORD ? That is scoring 2200 runs, the highest by ANYONE, yes ANYONE, till date in one calendar year of 365 days!!!

    The greats like SRT and RD are next in the list to Ganguly.

    When will our readers learn to be less biased towards Ganguly, the man who still leads the list with 21 Test wins ? And stop using him as a benchmark for what he has never been !

  • ssenthil on June 25, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    Don't forget his last overseas Century also came against the lowly WI in 2006 (Excluding Bangaladesh) but then he again Failed to score a Century in 2007 England Tour, 2007-2008 Australian Tour, 2008 - Sri Lankan tour, 2009 - New Zealand Tour, 2010 - Sri Lankan Tour, 2010-2011 - SA Tour, Thus 6 Tours Across and 20 Tests. So do u think it's a welcome Back? That too the Century scored after he was Dropped at 6? Write this after his England Tour, then I will agree he is truly comeback.

  • ramesh.k on June 25, 2011, 7:16 GMT

    Good work.. I'm huge fan of dravid. Its always treat to watch his batting. This analysis would be great if comparison between No 3 batmen among all cricketing countries.

  • SouthPaw on June 25, 2011, 7:13 GMT

    guys,

    A good cup of coffee is made up of good beans (peaberry + plantation A), finely ground, brewed and served with milk / cream (optional) and sugar (optional).

    A good Indian team is similarly, the great combo of SRT & RSD "finely grinding" the bowling, VVSL "milking" the runs and Viru adding the heady sugar.

    In all, I think rather than comparing who is better - beans, milk or sugar, we should enjoy the good cup of coffee that the Indian team is, with these legends.

  • CricEshwar on June 25, 2011, 6:26 GMT

    It is sad to see any praise on anyone has to come at somebody else's expense. As a mere fact, it is a batsman like Dravid who can be better on a deteriorating 4th innings pitch. Great genius batsmen flourish on lively pitches where the bowler is does his best and they are up for the challenge. But when it comes to 4th innings, the pitch does most with it's unpredictability and these batsmen cannot curb their natural aggressive ability forever and gets out eventually even to a very well judged stroke only to have been viciously outplayed by the pitch. When it comes to Dravid, his only motto is to stay in the crease and there is nothing to curb so there is a better chance for him to survive longer.When someone says Laxman was more potent away next only to Dravid, I request them to check the stats and see for yourself. Laxman is not as dominant a force except against Australia against whom Sachin has better statistics.

  • BHUTORIA on June 25, 2011, 6:13 GMT

    This Tour of West Indies will also see something spectacular that is Sir Rahul Dravid becoming the 2nd Highest Run Getter in the Longest form of the game. With Just 151 more runs Rahul Dravid will get his due. HATS OFF TO A MASTER CRAFTSMAN.

  • Dr.Hasan on June 25, 2011, 6:09 GMT

    Dravid is by far one the cricket world's few gentlemen greats. I wish to see him for many more years on the field and resounding success...except for when he plays against the green shirts :D !

  • ravichakra on June 25, 2011, 4:55 GMT

    @Emancipator007, what makes Gavaskar a great Test player ahead of Rahul Dravid. He like his prodigy only was interested in accumulating personal milestones.

  • on June 25, 2011, 4:44 GMT

    seriously u guys need to end this now , this is ridiculous comparing both legends, who have the utmost respect for each other,who play for the same team i,.e India, PPl's opinion certainly varies on who's best who's not , Sachin is born for the game cricket he's a prodigy no doubts, meanwhile dravid's one who used his limited potential to be a gr8 star for our country, both have diffeerent roles for the team , and both have done enough for the country for india to reach the top spot so pls guys lets celebrate their gud times and support them during their bad times i.e how it's done :) u dunno how much they've sacrificed just to see india attain success, be in their shoes even for a couple of minutes and u'd see how tough it is to battle when ppl r calling for ur head, so pls guys support them ,after yrs of service tht's all they're asking for :)ty

  • ravichakra on June 25, 2011, 4:30 GMT

    @Emancipator007, do not read partly and make conclusions. If you read the basis for deciding a significant innings you will realise that weak oppositions, bowling attack are already factored in. One key factor included is that every 100 becomes a significant innings and Sachin comes closer to Dravid only because of this factor but unfortunately despite that he is still second best. As far as 200 catches is concerned, you generally pick specialists for fielding positions. Dravid has made slip fielding his own with those 200 catches contributing to the bowler's tally and the team's cause @AsisRout, can you bring up match videos of Sachin's centuries each one of them. How may lives has he got from umpires, fielders et al before he managed to get to his 100. You will realise that Dravid has been more unluckier than Sachin in terms of decisions or lives. Who cares about a century, when his 93 at Perth can win us a game, his 81 & 68 at Jamaica wins us a Test series in 37 years against W

  • hattrick_thug on June 25, 2011, 2:56 GMT

    It is saddening that people do not understand cricket enough as a team sport. To praise Dravid is not to denigrate Sachin, for example. Conversely, to praise Sachin is not to put down Dravid. In a team, there are 11 (or more) people that bring different skills, mindsets and strengths that contribute to a solid team whole that thrives in all conditions. The compunction to pick one player and rabidly lionize that choice, only diminishes our ability to enjoy great performances by others.

  • Emancipator007 on June 25, 2011, 1:52 GMT

    @Ravichakra , there is no denying RD's immense value as a Test player and his place in Indian Test history but comparisons with SRT are pointless. It's quite funny that you called RD as India's greatest Test cricketer in Harsha's column. Hope you have heard of Sunil Gavaskar who is actually the greatest whereas SRT is obviously the best all-round batsman. RD has not even faced half as potent and threatening attacks as Gavaskar did throughout his Test career and SRT in early Test career. As someone pointed out, Dravid was not even in the discussion for the 3rd all-time World XI on cricinfo.

  • Emancipator007 on June 25, 2011, 1:48 GMT

    (VVS 281 and RD's 180 would have just helped with a draw). Luckily, the average attack clicked this time in Jamaica too otherwise even this 112 would have been just a footnote and possibly in a losing cause. SRT proved his class at age 37 against the hostile, world-class pace bowler Steyn in SA whereas RD was exposed for the second consecutive SA tour. @Ravichakra, I don't remember you coming out on forums to talk about RD's sudden poor form after scoring heavily against NZ just weeks back? The difference is that there has been no real deterioration in SRT's talent/abilities whereas RD's skills to score against quality opposition have clearly waned in recent years. I rarely try to give injury as an excuse to cover poor run of form of players. But NOTE (Outlook magazine carried the most detailed report of SRT's brittle and injury plagued body in the early 2000s) that SRT's poor returns in Tests was during that injury phase.

  • Emancipator007 on June 25, 2011, 1:42 GMT

    @Ravichakra:What does getting 200 catches have to do with being a team man? It was his fixed fielding position and professional commitment that got RD those catches. Do you expect SRT or other team members to drop whatever catches come their way and prove they are not team men? What logic is that? Even a poor fielder like Ganguly was a great catcher in ODIs. There is no point listing significant innings. ALWAYS remember that there is NO WAY of knowing Indian bowlers will be consistently potent or click in which Test (unlike champion WI and Aus teams of past). As a result many significant innings of SRT (many innings in 90s with poor Indian attacks not helping his cause) and Sehwag (egs. 205 against Pakistan in 2005, 195 against Aus in 2003 etc.) are not getting Indian wins or have gone waste. What if Agarkar had not suddenly produced that dream spell in Adelaide in 2003 ;RD's 200 would have been just a defensive innings or Bhajji and SRT had not bowled out Aus in Kolkata 2001 CONTD.

  • Silloh on June 24, 2011, 23:43 GMT

    I have no doubt this is is not the last century from the 38 year old great Dravid .But with so much cricket Indian potential talent waiting in the wings and from such a large population, it begs the question not only for India .... what is the appropriate retirement age for a cricketer ? As in any profession there should be one for cricketers and of course these great players must benefit from a well earned gratuity / pension benefits,based on some agreed formula that incorporates performance and number of years service. I have seen so many great cricketers, especially from the West Indies leave apparently in disgust because of a sudden decision by the Board (and not necessarily a wrong decision ) and are obviously not prepared for retirement. Let's hope the great Dravid does not fall into that category. After cricket there is life and it does not mean his experienced cricket knowledge or leadership qualities cannot redound to the benefit of youngsters in sport or otherwise.

  • on June 24, 2011, 22:23 GMT

    A quality 100 after 47 overseas innings and all Dravid fans are here to anoint him as the best test cricketer ever.To put things in perspective Dravid would have been out to a loose stroke if not for a regulation drop by Sammy.Laxman and Sehwag are the ones who had won us matches in recent past not Dravid.So please stop over romanticizing Dravid's past feats @gushrangers Dravid is a very good batsman.I don't deny it.But he is plain boring in tests.Alastair Cook also scores tons of runs but you will never be satiated with his batting.Thats why Lara and Viv are the ones I watch out for not the Dravids and post 2000 Tendulkars.

  • on June 24, 2011, 21:20 GMT

    @karthik and others who wanted stats here are they.sachin averages mere 29 in 4th innings of the match in all the away matches while Dravid averages close to 50 in that respect n overall Dravid averages 42 in 4th innings of the match n nt 38 as told by karthik...Sachin's test stats : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround Dravid's test stats : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28114.html?class=1;template=results;type=allround Sachin's away test stats : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;template=results;type=allround Dravid's away test stats : http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28114.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;template=results;type=allround

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 21:18 GMT

    @sachin86 : Let us compare the SL tour of 2008. Sachin scored 95 runs in 6 innings, his scores were 27, 12, 5, 31, 6 & 14. Dravid scored 148 runs in 6 innings, his scores were 14, 10, 2, 44, 10, 68. Did you call for Sachin's head then? Let us compare the runs scored, the opposition and the results. I am not comparing average (I am not a great believer of average) as Sachin takes a beating in that too though marginally.

    Dravid scored 2,323 runs in 58 innings and not 85 innings between 2008 to 2010. He had 7 100s and 10 50s, with 676 runs vs SL, 655 vs NZ, 448 vs Aus, 262 vs SA, 143 vs Eng and the least 139 vs B'desh. He scored 1,029 runs for a winning cause with 3 100s and 4 50s. Sachin on the other hand scored 1,487 runs in 38 innings and not 24 between 2005 to 2007. He scored 3 100s (2 100s vs Bangladesh) and 10 50s, with 457 runs vs Pak, 311 vs Eng, 254 vs B'desh, 199 vs SA, 189 vs SL & 77 vs Aus. He scored 604 runs for a winning cause with 2 100s and 4 50s.

  • nickydude on June 24, 2011, 21:14 GMT

    Well, Sachin86, the sad fact is Sachin will always bring his best, only when his records are threatened, which all shud decide is good or bad..

  • nickydude on June 24, 2011, 21:12 GMT

    Arey, Emancipator07, Sachin mite hav scored 50 hundreds before he turned 19, but check for urself how many matches India Won = big Zero ! Almost all the overseas wins have been thru Dravid & VVS.

  • nickydude on June 24, 2011, 21:00 GMT

    Well... Im also a Sachin Fan, but this is what I hate, belittling others to praise Sachin. Well, Sachin86, few questions for you, why is it that when Sachin Plays - India loses & not the case as with Dravid, Sehwag & VVS.

    Sachin is a complete batsman, pleasing to the eyes & all, but the sad fact is, he does not have the grind to slog it out like RD with tailenders. Also, Sachin had always the security at 2 down like a King, since no coach cud mess with his ego ( Chappel paid for it) All others've compensated to stay in the team, For eg, VVS, Dravid as opener, wicketkeeper, etc & admirably as well like 2003 WC Sir. In short, Sachin is a entertainer, but sadly, not a match winner.....:(

  • sandyyy on June 24, 2011, 20:41 GMT

    to all the sachin bashers in this article. The very presence of Sachin motivates even tail enders. He trusts every player's ability to play. Just see recent matches where he gave stike to tailenders and was open to rotate the strike. That is what laxman did with ishant to win test with australia. India won the world cup only because of the motivation tendulkar provided to youngsters. The fire to gift him the world cup sparked them to perform.

  • D.Sharma on June 24, 2011, 20:19 GMT

    @Sachin86.. haha, sure SRT has half of what you said (strike rate and centuries), but in terms of value to the test team, Dravid is ahead. I don't think Dravid ever has had TWO stable openers other than 2008-2010, even now, either Sehwag or Gambhir (or both) get injured. Compare this with Ponting and Kallis. They have had the likes of Langer, Hayden, Slater, Kirsten, Gibbs, Smith etc. all established cricketers through most of Ponting's and Kallis' careers. I'm sure Dravid has come in with the score less than 20 more than the other two. Despite this, Dravid has managed to score 12k runs and pretty much played took the openers role on some occasions.

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 19:40 GMT

    To people who are comparing the lean periods of sachin and dravid.Sachin's lean period between 2005-2007 he played only 15 tests,24 innings.But dravid's lean period is huge.He played 42 tests,85 innings which is pathetic.

    sachin was in and out of the team with injuries.On the other hand dravid was fit all these 5 years.

  • cricketisagame on June 24, 2011, 19:36 GMT

    well said RAVICHAKRA... Sachin did that in South Africa just to increase his average instead of shielding the tail and saving the test. RD refused may singles in the last test to shield the ail and even sacrificed his wicket by playing a shot which he do not play usually in spite India was in a dominant position in the test.. well said man.. I don't think any Sachin fans can talk about the shouldering the responsibility of scoring runs for India when he is resting and RD is winning single handedly.. as he did all these years without the press and the public noticing.

  • sachin86 on June 24, 2011, 19:28 GMT

    One century against a number 8 team and all of a sudden pour in the dravid fans again starting the futile comparison with sachin.Dravid was never a better batsman and can never be against sachin.Sachin outscores in all the departments-be it the technique,strike rate,centuries,scoring on difficult pitches etc.

    Sachin is in the all-time XI team.Where is dravid?not even in the second XI team and may not be in the third too.Just 4 years of brilliance (2002-2006) doesn't make him a great batsman.For instance there are batsmen like Bradman,Tendulkar,richards,Greg chappel,Brian lara,Hutton,Gavaskar,steve waugh,Ponting,Sehwag who i can think on top of my head who are far better than dravid.It's debatable if he can even feature in top 15.May be in top 20.So,end this funny comparison with sachin.

  • aatagaduno1 on June 24, 2011, 18:59 GMT

    point of entry comparison should also be done between 2002- 2006( we tried a lot of openers during this period). my guess is that his average will be more during that time when compared to 2006-2011., during which time we have settled openers.

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 18:42 GMT

    Rajesh, you lack cricketing brains. For example, "and a weak Sri Lankan attack" was for the 2009 series, I guess. India were 39 for 4 including the so called great Sachin falling cheaply. If it was such a weak attack how come the so called world's greatest batsman failed? It was RD's 177 that saved the game thereafter. And to improve their averages (which is strangely used by most statisticians), Gambhir and Sachin scored centuries in the 2nd innings of the match when the danger was over. Are you discounting these when you calculate their averages? Don't throw warped statistics to deride the great Wall! If you are so much interested in statistics, why not bring out the list of significant innings played by Sachin and Dravid and the result will show who is no.1 Also, kindly compare the so called lean period of Dravid in the last few years with that of Sachin between 2005 to 2007. For people who say he is slow, his strike rate is higher than Sachin's in most matches even in ODIs.

  • ravichakra on June 24, 2011, 18:32 GMT

    @Emancipator007 You mentioned that Sachin has scored away runs only. Why was India not the no. 1 team then. How many significant innings does Sachin have? Do you know how average is computed? Classic example, Sachin scored the century in SA last year and then exposed the tail so that he could remain not out and increase his average further. Cricket is a team game and the player who contributes to the team should be revered as against a player who accumulates personal milestones without any benefit to the team at large. Dravid has the world record for 200 catches. How does an individual benefit by this record at all, it is the bowler and the team that benefits. They get all the credit and the fielder is resigned only to the scoresheets.

  • on June 24, 2011, 18:21 GMT

    Dravid does not have the class or technique like SRT, the difference in class was exploited by bowlers like Akram, Younis, Ambrose, McGrath, Warne (surprisingly not Murali), Dravid's glory came in 2003 in aus, 2006 in WI, 2004 in Pakistan when legends were gone but Sachin could give a fight to them in late 90s, thought not enough for his team........... but its Dravid's grit and temperament for which he had better leverage of his limited arsenal......to his credit he will stay above sachin in playing match winning knocks in tests, despite against second grade attacks, which sachin could not manipulate....... Sachin is a prize Mercedes, but Dravid is a Chrysler which ran more crucial miles

  • on June 24, 2011, 18:12 GMT

    guys the comparisons sound silly,no doubt that dravid is the best soaker of pressure in test cricket.Dravid had a lean patch just like great batsmen like sachin,lara,inzi,steave waugh.The fact is most people believe dravid is boring,then those people just did not understand what test cricket is all about.Rahul dravid is the best technically correct batsman in the world untill now.The topic is Dravid doesn't himself compare to greatness of sachin but his success in international cricket has taken him to such a position.May be Dravid had a long run of failure for recent four years,but the fact that he was still there in the dressing room gave the confidence to the team to absorb pressure.Form is temporary and class is permanent,i beleive this is just the begining of the second innings for dravid. He is not only the greatest no 3 batsman of all time but also the greatest catcher of cricket ball which many great batsman did not take pride in.

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:57 GMT

    My purely Emotional Theory! Last 4 years! IPL is the only other thing that has lasted the same 4 years. :-) Very dramatic, but curious that the very opposite to Wally's game has been around his "away slump"! (And he actually played better in the "away IPL"!) If he recovered now, but IPL is around... should I say, Modi's IPL was the reason?

    I think it must have been a huge mental makeover for a Test Batsman like him to try and succeed in IPL. Obviously, it has affected some aspects of his Test Batting.

  • NoufaLCapTown on June 24, 2011, 17:50 GMT

    well played dravid..... wish you good luck for further games...

  • sacheenp on June 24, 2011, 17:48 GMT

    The fact that a comparison with Sachin comes up as soon as anyone (dravid included) scores well, means that Sachin is the yardstick everyone else is measured against. Let's rest the discussion about who's the greatest. Dravid has done enough to have a place in history on his own; but lets not compare anyone to Sachin..

  • khalekk on June 24, 2011, 17:42 GMT

    Absolute legend Rahul Dravid!!! He's technically the best batsman in the world for me. It's a dream for any youngster to bat like in test cricket.

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    @Ravi darira: dude u r talking as if Dravid is the cause of all ills!! and i dunno who people like me are but i was strictly in support of excluding dravid from one day side!! It was bcci themselves who went back on the decision when they had to play on bouncy pitches!! tells you a lot about the gen next!!one days and tests are different as real cricket lovers know and believe!! u dont have 100 over matches!! you have 450 overs of torrid struggle!! nothin like one days!! i will be very happy if rohit can fill his shoes!! lesse how much india will win once he leaves!! lemme tell you apart from Gambhir right now there is no other player in indian team who if they have to play through a day on a land mine can actually survive!! and we won the world cup on Indian soil dude!! India does not need dravid on such pitches !! it is on tougher pitches that he is important!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 17:29 GMT

    'point-of-entry', nice catch of a parameter! can we have a separate edition on the best no.3 or even no.4 in test history using that...

  • on June 24, 2011, 16:57 GMT

    Rajesh-> U r a bloody good statistician! Can't figure out how you get to make such detailed analysis, computers or not..

  • gushrangers on June 24, 2011, 16:27 GMT

    @Asis Rout - It's the signficance of these innings that made RD a delight to watch in those days. For the record, RD averaged an unbelievable 101 in 19 test matches that India won under Ganguly. Try digesting that now!

    @ HatsforBats - there were 4 'young' batsman who played along with RD in Jamaica - 2openers+Kohli+Raina. Except for Raina's 80 in 1st innings, is there anything to talk about those 4. Had there been another yound bird in RD's place, he too would have fallen cheap.India probably would have lost then.The thing is that with RD,VVS n SRT there along with youngsters in test matches, India's got a healthy mix of youth+exprience.

    @Ravi Darira - I assume ur dislike for RD is unconditional & based on little logic.You pick out all negative points about RD from Rajesh's article and then say he is biased in favour of RD!! Dont be so blatantly against someone whos served the nation in spite of his own shortcomings (he knows he is no sehwag).Believe me Ganguly's form slump ws worse

  • gushrangers on June 24, 2011, 15:58 GMT

    @Asis Rout - only that old-school 'boring' approach is laced with sound technique that made RD bat in an almost flawless manner on a pitch that no Indian other than VVS Laxman and SRT could have batted on.Trust me, SRT'd have also used almost same number of balls as RD did on this pitch to score same number of runs. Regarding your comment 'he wsnt even among the top 2 in his heydays", I say he was almost the No.1 Test match batsman alongwith Ricky Ponting in during 2000-2007 period. Though I m a big SRT fan and put SRT above RD, the truth is that RD, had almost surpassed SRT as far as test cricket is concerned in those days. 4 hundreds in 4 consecutive test matches (3 of them in English conditions including the 148 at Headingly), matchwinning 233 & 70 n.o. at Adelaide, 270 in Rawalpindi in another match-winning cause, 180 vs Aus 2001 under high-pressure conditions, twin hundreds in the same test match against Pak at Kolkata (another winning performance).

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:57 GMT

    Guys cricinfo hasnt published my post which i submitted wid corrections.hope they do nw.correction is tht sachin's avg of 38 and 29 in 2nd team innings and 4th match innings in the away matches only while Dravid has corres. avg of 44 and 50 resp.I m a fan of Sachin too bt dont be a blind fan.I m nt a blind fan of Dravid either.I posted this to indianpunter and emancipator who criticise him bt where were they ven sachin was goin thru a lean patch for 3-4 years.so if u want to criticise,dont do favours.criticise all

  • on June 24, 2011, 15:49 GMT

    @Rakhil Pakhetra and Bigizzy: Sachin's average in 3rd or 4th innings of a match: 39.45. What bigizzy has pointed was his average in 2nd or 4th innings when fielding first (which is his average in tests when fielding first). And Sachin's average in only 4th innings of a match: 39.17.. He's highest in both cases! With Dravid being close second. His average in 4th innings is 38.91 when fielding first is included, but if it's excluded it becomes 39.17..

  • indianpunter on June 24, 2011, 15:33 GMT

    @Emancipator007. I agree with your thoughts on sehwag. Total runs scored while at the wicket is a useless stat. Just shows you take awfully long to score. I will second your thoughts that RD will come a cropper in England. I will still say this, on the back of his hundred, because i feel that he is past his use by date. Big mistake, it will be, to take a 39 yr old RD to Oz.

  • cnaidu on June 24, 2011, 15:20 GMT

    those calling Dravid boring have been brought up on a heavy dose of t-20. they can't distinguish between head and spine. unlike one's head the spine is not he most visible part of one's personality You would know the strength of the spine through the kind of innings Draviid played at Kingston.

  • HatsforBats on June 24, 2011, 15:06 GMT

    It's no longer about stats. I have loved watching Dravid over the years, but it is now painful to watch him bat and he is doing a diservice to Indian cricket. He may have saved the match against WI but he is also denying a young Indian batsmen the opportunity to develop the skills necessary to be successful at test level

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:58 GMT

    Rajesh -> I would like to know how much dravid scored in his first 60 test match compared to tendulkar. Can you prepare a stats and show us?

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:36 GMT

    Rahul Dravid is a wonderful player!! no doubts about it.. but stop comparing Rahul and Sachin.. Its pointed out that Dravid has scored more runs than Sachin after his (rahul's) debut!! obviously bcos he's played 27 matches more in the same period.. both are unbelievable players and i just hope dravid goes on a wild run as sachin's doing now!!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:13 GMT

    Dravid is the best batsman technically , better than Sachin. Everyone will accept this. Some people talk about past 3 yrs. Wat happened with sachin...he was out of form, losing wickets cheaply. He would ave been history before 6 yrs if e as not the support of some people. So don't talk rubbish on Dravid who is better than Sachin or anyone over there.

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:12 GMT

    Can anybody provide me the details of test matches in which India won on a foriegn soil while in 3rd or 4th innings of test, only one Indian batsman scored a 100 and others could not even past across 30?

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:06 GMT

    again the big wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • on June 24, 2011, 14:03 GMT

    Oh my god!!!! Rahul Dravid seems to have a stake in Cricinfo,.. all the comments by S Rajest are heavily biased in favor of dravid....even though the stats paint a different story, how can one innigs prove this: "but the Kingston game should go a long way in answering the questions which have been raised about Rahul Dravid and his batting in the last few years" How does it answer questions when he has averaged 29 overseas last 4 years?!!?! I am sure even Ganguly averaged more and he got kicked out.....

    Another thing by Rajest's own admission: "Dravid scored almost as many as he did in six innings in the Test series in South Africa last season."

    he last time Dravid scored an overseas hundred against a team other than Bangladesh was on India's last tour to the West Indies five years ago, when he made 146 in St Lucia

    These are glaring truths about his failure, and yet people support him, it is ridiculous

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:54 GMT

    @Rakhil Pakhetera Don't put a cloak on Dravid's struggles in the past 5 years by bringing Sachin here.The thing is Dravid wasn't even in the top 2 best batsmen even in his pomp.To most of the neutrals he is a boring batsman.Perhaps you don't remember his 15 off 115 balls in the MCG test in 2007-2008.He has undone a lot of good work by his inconsistencies in these years.He would have been history if Dileep Vengsarkar had stayed as the chairman of selectors.

  • Bigizzy on June 24, 2011, 13:39 GMT

    @Rakhil Pakhetra I don't't know what stats you are looking at. See this link for the correct stat. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_fielding_first=2;class=1;filter=advanced;innings_number=2;innings_number=4;orderby=runs;player_involve=1934;team=6;template=results;type=batting

    As per this Sachin Averages 53.09 in 2nd or 4th innings.

    In fact if you look look at stats then it is very very tough to beat Tendulkar in any stat! Please verify your stats again...or provide a link like I have...

  • on June 24, 2011, 13:18 GMT

    By the end of ongoing Series. He is going to be Second highest scorer in Test Cricket :) :)

  • KRGR on June 24, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    Instead of comparing SRT and RD, can we enjoy a special moment that will come about in the next 2 weeks..For the first time in decades, the 1 and 2 run getters in history will be from the same country..2 Legends of the game, not just in India but world over, not just this generation but through cricket's history..We are proud of you SRT and RD..each with their own style of play, strengths, weaknesses, achievements, conquests, failings, flexibility, tenacity, ability to come back..I feel privileged to be a cricket fan throughout the time these two champs played their career..Just sit back and enjoy, guys..even though I wish it did, it will not last forever!!

  • Kumar_cricket on June 24, 2011, 12:58 GMT

    Dravid started his Last round of his career .

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    A splendid article analysed in-depth by Harsha Bhogle on the master batsman. The writer has dealt elaborately on the 'Wall' substantiating with statistics. There is no better player who can defend than Dravid in India. His enormous ability to stay int he wicket and bui9ld an innings is the role-model for thousands of youngsters aspiring to make big. If one szays, he always rises to the crisis, that is no exaggeration. A nice bautiful balanced article by Mr. Harsha Bhogle - thank you !

  • on June 24, 2011, 12:24 GMT

    @kairava : buddy u r wrong analysing.the percentage shows no. of runs scored by a batsman against total partnership runs of the partner.Dravid is way ahead of all in total partnership runs e.g Brian lara has made around 11k runs in total 33k runs partnership and around 22k partner runs.However Dravid has been part of around 12+29=41k runs in partnership n he has scored more runs than lara in partnership

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:40 GMT

    @indianpunter and emancipator : credit to cricinfo statsguru,sachin has an astounding test average of 35 in 2nd team innings(whether 3rd or 4th) in a match and most astounding test average of 29 i.e.below 30 in 4th innings of a match in all his matches played till date including home matches clearly showing his inability to bat longer in 2nd innings pressure.in contrast dravid has test avg of 43 and 42 resp in 2nd team innings and 4th match innings in all the matches he played till date including those out of form 5 years u guys r talking abt.also the no. of matches won and drawn 4 team on ability 4 Dravid r greater than Tendulkar.

  • on June 24, 2011, 11:06 GMT

    Yipee..A very hearty congratulations to R Dravid for his absolutely marvelous innings along with brilliant support of raina, harbhajan, praveen kumar and ishant sharma that sealed victory for india. It was lovely seeind dravid score.thing which made me sad comaparing to of the most illustrious batsman and often demeaning other. i am hereby refering to SRT. He is without any doubt class apart and thus is not mentioned by even experts of the game who played test cricket in any comaprision now, not even dravid appreciate that. i read a very interesting comment saying SRT debuting 7 years before dravid yet having only 2500 more runs, but let me put it this way difference of matched played between them is 27. Now for dravid to equal tendulkar's current record had he debut along with him in 1989 had to put a bradman average performance that too when he would have been in his early early 20s. and my friend this even u know is unlikely, so better comment after understanding facts.

  • memoriesofthepast on June 24, 2011, 10:47 GMT

    Before Kingston test Dravid had played for 15 years in around 150 tests. He knows that he will not be forgiven if he throws his wicket at Kingston for an Indian team without Zaheer, Gambhir, Sehwag and Sachin. Dravid used his experience to ensure that India do not lose the test. Give credit to Praveen and Ishant for managing to take 20 WI wickets in absence of Zaheer. Dhoni selecting Praveen was a smart move and Praveen will prove useful in English conditions. India have yet to find a successor to Anil Kumble. In recent pasts, Dravid has been getting out to quality left arm pacers and it remains to be seen how he fares against quality left arm pacers. IPL is nothing but injury premier league. BCCI's tour scheduling is the worst. Dont know how many players will remain fit for England tour and then for Aus tour.

  • moBlue on June 24, 2011, 9:49 GMT

    dravid should not be taken to AUS this year? are you kidding? AUS bowling is much weaker than in the past! dravid would probably be able to grind them to dust and win one test for us by himself! kohli can wait... based on what i saw of him in the WI, he is not yet ready for epic test battles. dravid in his last test series in Oz might give us the performance of his life! :) the last time people wrote off dravid, in 2001 against AUS at kolkata, after warne had dismissed him cheaply in the first inning and IND had had to follow-on, dravid along with the peerless lax kept the aussies waiting for just one lousy wicket on the field for the entire day 4, and punished them!!! *that* shut up the critics speedy-quick! i would love to see a repeat epic performance of some sort in the Oz series from dravid! :) ...and boy, is he fully capable, even at 38, of delivering the goods! ask the aussies whom they would prefer to see at the crease... kohli at 23 or dravid at 38 with the score at 0 for 1!

  • Kothandaram on June 24, 2011, 9:00 GMT

    Class is permanent and Dravid showed his importance to the Indian team.. if and when he goes, think we have some capable players to fill the breach... for instance Pujara, Rohit, Raina, Kohli look ready to step up feel sad for Badrinath.. somehow he couldn't measure up when presented with the opportunity.. tons of runs in Domestic cricket but comes up short when given chances in the international arena

  • Poliwag060 on June 24, 2011, 8:54 GMT

    To be honest, I reckon that those "point of entry" stats would be the same for most other number 3s in the world, seeing as if an early wicket falls, it is likely to be because the ball is doing something and therefore, the number 3 is equally as susceptible.

  • on June 24, 2011, 8:52 GMT

    @Indian punter it was not 47 continuous innings!! and in one of those innings he made a 93 in pearth which India won!! so 100s alone don't really mean a person did well!! I can show you similar stats for Tendulkar during 2002 to 2007!! Dravid is being carried now!! Tendulkar was carried 5 yrs ago because of Dravid and Laxman!! remove two innings the 194 not out and 242 not out!! His avg will be less than 40 at the time!! y didnt anybody talk about removing Tendulkar!! I agree that Dravid's form is bad!! but his 29 will help his partners score 70 in the same time!! I say he should leave and he will leave in an year!! but if he leaves immediately it will be a solid two to three years before Indian team becomes stable!! rohit sharma cannot play 100 balls without getting tired!! I still vouch for Dravid ahead of him!! and we saw what the net gen is like!! lesse wat happns to indian team once the stalwart retires!!

  • Emancipator007 on June 24, 2011, 8:05 GMT

    @Indianpunter: you and I have been echoing each other about RD's recent 4 years overseas record for the past 1 year. It's quite shocking to see RD fans dissing SRT (incidentally not my fav Test bat) whenever Dravid scores. SRT and Lara are a league and class above Ponting, Dravid, Inzy and Kallis. Someone pointed out that RD almost caught up with SRT's Test runs. Fact is SRT and India barely played 35 tests during that 7 year headstart. For that matter, even Ganguly in an 8 year period made almost the same no. of ODI centuries as compared to SRT's longer reign. But always remember that SRT scored away centuries and runs in SA, Eng, OZ, NZ and Pak before he turned 19! He is an unparalleled talent in world cricket history.

  • Vemb on June 24, 2011, 8:01 GMT

    While dissecting Dravid's numbers, it might be interesting for you Rajesh to check how many runs our legendary SRT has scored with & without 'protection' of RD at No3. Can your statistical analysis indicate how much RD's 'firm rock' role at No3 has permitted SRT to 'blossom' at No4. Would be keen on your findings please.

  • CricketMaan on June 24, 2011, 7:44 GMT

    I can't see the Wall playing after Aus tour..i guess RD, SRT, VVS wants to win on Aus soil b4 they hang thier boots. Good luck

  • Emancipator007 on June 24, 2011, 7:09 GMT

    in 4th innings. Let's keep the peerless SRT out of all discussions as his talent is boundless and with a superb all-round record in all nations. If Rohit, Kohli or Pujara are ousted from Tests by 35-36 and they end up at 90-95 Tests, RD will be blamed for having hung on so long. Gavaskar was great enuf to score tons more runs when he retired at 37. Amarnath was forced out. If Sunny and Jimmy had hung around, Manjrekar and SRT's debuts would have been delayed. I agree that only Ganguly and RD showed the class and skill to garner superb early Test records (VVS took more time though he debuted at 21). But unless a Rohit and Pujara (both Test class and ready) are given a decent run soon enuf (they are already 23 plus), one wouldn't know.

  • Emancipator007 on June 24, 2011, 7:02 GMT

    Typical gritty RD innings. However, the problem is the pattern of RD in the mentioned 4 ½ years. Score heavily against low-ranked teams (WI, Bang, NZ) and fail miserably against quality teams (SA 2 series, Aus 2 series, Eng 1, SL twice away). Had predicted that that he would fail in SA after scoring heavily against NZ at home in 2010. The pattern should continue against Eng and OZ. Another fact about the overseas "jewel" is that RD has a very ordinary record in SA and also failed on 2 OZ tours (except Perth 93 in 2008) with the 2003 tour masking his overall average returns in OZ. His awesome stats in WI, NZ, Pak and 2 Eng tours boost that away average. "How many runs he has helped other batsmen score" That's rich! Titan Sehwag's blitzing scoring rate (nearly 8000 runs in the same decade as RD's heavy scoring) has also helped RD to settle down and play his dour game (as also Gambhir in past 3 years). For me, Viru has been the game-changer in past 5 years in Tests and VVS of course CONT

  • spinkingKK on June 24, 2011, 6:58 GMT

    I was a huge Dravid supporter before. However in recent times (from 2008 onwards), I have always doubted Dravid's ability to perform well against quality oppostion. Sabina Park heroics is definitely great. However, having said that, we have to understand the quality of the oppostion, eventhough it was on a difficult pitch. I will only be satsified and stay corrected if and when Dravid performs against England in England. I will only be happy if I was proved wrong. Going by the Sabina Park scorecard, he has already started proving me wrong. Let's wait until the England series begins.

  • Rahul_Paharia on June 24, 2011, 6:33 GMT

    Whoever says stats don't reveal everything should read articles from Rajesh.Very very insightful article.

  • on June 24, 2011, 6:22 GMT

    I strongly believe, Rahul is on d verge of his second peak in his career, just like Sachin !

  • indianpunter on June 24, 2011, 6:20 GMT

    for all the Dravid fans out there. Facts and stats dont lie. Team India was doing well and therefore could afford to 'carry' Dravid for 5 yrs. I have been saying on this forum for some time what S Rajesh has put so succinctly here. No hundred for 47 innings and an overseas average of 29!! !! amazing that people would still vouch for him. It was a good hundred in trying conditions, but one swallow doesnt make a summer and i would await his English test under more trying conditions. Either way, i dont think a 39 yr old dravid should be taken to australia.

  • on June 24, 2011, 6:12 GMT

    That SL home series was in fact very good and not as you put it. The first game 177, if he hadn't made them, the team would've lost so you need to know all the points before posting on a public forum.

  • donda on June 24, 2011, 6:05 GMT

    Can we discuss some thing else on cricinfo. Why to discuss legends , they don't need to prove any points.

    discuss about how Harbhajan singh and Raina fought hard and won the match. Its the duty of a legend to stay there and score runs for the team and win matches. Stop writing about them please.

    But no body wrote any thing about young Raina and old Harbhijan singh effort on first day.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:50 GMT

    Dravid is my favorite batsman and a man who believes in his hardwork and technique no matter what the situation is. Dravid surely needs more credit than he is getting now.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Even after he does good performance why would you write such an article. the article suggests it is being with all the negative intention against Rahul Dravid

  • ibbani on June 24, 2011, 5:46 GMT

    Dravid is better player than Sachin, Sachin came 7 years earlier than Dravid, his match winning innings are less than Dravid, who is the gem of Indian Cricket, if somebody who needs to be credited in the last decade for all the away wins, it shud be Dravid. And hardly there is 2400 runs difference for those 7 years early debut from Sachin. Sachin was hyped than Dravid. All knows that is a champion and master blaster.But if someone who do accept this fact, pls join me in congratulating again heartily.Well done Jammy.keep up the good work. Hope you play for next 3-4 years.

  • Pankaj_Thakur on June 24, 2011, 5:42 GMT

    Good Dravid...... we play he will play always good inning, all the best dravid , and thanks to BCCI who has given many time to play & return in the form..........

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:23 GMT

    nice to see dravid back among the runs.rahul's square cuts and copybook cover drives reminded me his old days.he is made for test matches and he looks different when playing test matches.he proved it again and at the right time.all the best for rest of series.....

  • KAIRAVA on June 24, 2011, 5:20 GMT

    The last table of partnership runs is excellently compiled and quite valuable if one really one know who among the 10,000+ runs club batsmen was the best individually & a delight to watch for the spectator in the stadium. Brian Lara, an marvellous test batsmen who according to me & the table is the best of his generation leads the rest with 55.61% partnership runs followed by Tendulkar & Ponting. So, this settles the debate about who is the best batsmen, known for individual brilliance, of this generation.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:18 GMT

    He has only averaged 40 in the last 5 years but india still has no one who can replace him and score those runs.

  • on June 24, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    Dravid was'nt that bad in that period of Dec 2006 till now. 93 at Perth in 2008 was a classic example

  • sameer997 on June 24, 2011, 5:09 GMT

    good stats dravid will surely come back to his form

  • KsnReddy on June 24, 2011, 5:05 GMT

    Interesting observation about the partnership runs!!

  • KsnReddy on June 24, 2011, 5:04 GMT

    Interesting observation about the partnership runs.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    Without Dravid India wouldnt be the side they have been over the last 15 years. I can bet my life that NO Indian batsman has played anything like the great innings that Dravid has played over his career. Anyone who says anything less about the great man does not know the game of cricket.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    thanks a lot for this info........dravid is great

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    Good work ashok16... you do realise the statistics above exclude this first test?.. fyi take a look at Pontings numbers http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;spanmin1=31+Dec+2006;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    Good work Rajesh. Well done. Thanks for this insight. And to think that he scored the maximum number of runs among all the Indian Batsmen since his debut (as pointed out by a couple of members on cricinfo in the last couple of days) just goes to show how well he must have played though he had a below par 2008 (lot of tests in that year) and 2007 is just mind boggling. I'm very disappointed that such a mention was never made even by the elite statisticians of cricinfo. I think Dravid's career can be taken as a thesis study and one can unravel mind numbing numbers and contexts.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:25 GMT

    TO ME RAHUL DRAVID IS RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP !!! HIS FIGURES PROVE IT !!! ESPECIALLY DELIVERS WHEN TEAM IS IN CRISIS !!! NO WONDER HE HAS EARNED THE NICKNAME " THE WALL " !!!

  • 5why on June 24, 2011, 4:25 GMT

    Rajesh, a similar data base may please be published for ODI's. After all, ODI's are won or lost, more by the effect of partnerships than by anything else. Partnerships needs are much more emphatic .

  • adamgilly on June 24, 2011, 4:22 GMT

    as an aussie i can only hope he doesnt score too many against us later this year... he alongwith srt, sehwag and laxman can undo our bowling.. though his batting in this match has given very threatening signals to other teams.. fingers crossed

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:10 GMT

    Hai Dravid..What ever may be you are the great Player..

  • abhi_cricinfo on June 24, 2011, 3:57 GMT

    If Rahul Dravid had strike-rate of 54 (SRT's strike rate) , he would have scored 15500+ runs . . .

  • ashok16 on June 24, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Good work Rajesh. Interesting you chose to publish this AFTER the first test. Rahul doesnt doesnt look so bad now.

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  • ashok16 on June 24, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Good work Rajesh. Interesting you chose to publish this AFTER the first test. Rahul doesnt doesnt look so bad now.

  • abhi_cricinfo on June 24, 2011, 3:57 GMT

    If Rahul Dravid had strike-rate of 54 (SRT's strike rate) , he would have scored 15500+ runs . . .

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:10 GMT

    Hai Dravid..What ever may be you are the great Player..

  • adamgilly on June 24, 2011, 4:22 GMT

    as an aussie i can only hope he doesnt score too many against us later this year... he alongwith srt, sehwag and laxman can undo our bowling.. though his batting in this match has given very threatening signals to other teams.. fingers crossed

  • 5why on June 24, 2011, 4:25 GMT

    Rajesh, a similar data base may please be published for ODI's. After all, ODI's are won or lost, more by the effect of partnerships than by anything else. Partnerships needs are much more emphatic .

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:25 GMT

    TO ME RAHUL DRAVID IS RIGHT THERE AT THE TOP !!! HIS FIGURES PROVE IT !!! ESPECIALLY DELIVERS WHEN TEAM IS IN CRISIS !!! NO WONDER HE HAS EARNED THE NICKNAME " THE WALL " !!!

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on June 24, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    Good work Rajesh. Well done. Thanks for this insight. And to think that he scored the maximum number of runs among all the Indian Batsmen since his debut (as pointed out by a couple of members on cricinfo in the last couple of days) just goes to show how well he must have played though he had a below par 2008 (lot of tests in that year) and 2007 is just mind boggling. I'm very disappointed that such a mention was never made even by the elite statisticians of cricinfo. I think Dravid's career can be taken as a thesis study and one can unravel mind numbing numbers and contexts.

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:49 GMT

    Good work ashok16... you do realise the statistics above exclude this first test?.. fyi take a look at Pontings numbers http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;spanmin1=31+Dec+2006;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    thanks a lot for this info........dravid is great

  • on June 24, 2011, 4:53 GMT

    Without Dravid India wouldnt be the side they have been over the last 15 years. I can bet my life that NO Indian batsman has played anything like the great innings that Dravid has played over his career. Anyone who says anything less about the great man does not know the game of cricket.