India in South Africa 2013-14 September 2, 2013

India itinerary mess leaves franchises in limbo

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South Africa's franchise associations have urged Cricket South Africa to finalise quickly the itinerary for the upcoming home series against India with the BCCI, given that ticket sales are at stake. The Gauteng Cricket Board (GCB), which manages the Wanderers Stadium in Johannesburg, is concerned it might not get to host the third Test, scheduled from January 15, but has decided to release season tickets despite the uncertainty.

"All we know is what we have read (in the press)," Gauteng's CEO Cassim Docrat said on Monday. "We could be one of the affected parties so we need to know what's going to happen. We have (asked CSA), but (as of Sunday afternoon) we haven't had a response from them yet.

"We are going to go ahead with our season ticket sales based on the original itinerary. We can always change midstream if we need to - the longer we wait to put them on sale, the longer we keep people in limbo."

The Cape Cobras (Newlands) have already announced their ticket prices for the T20 (November 24), ODI (December 15), the New Year Test (starting January 2) and the Australia Test in March. Kwa Zulu Natal (Kingsmead, Durban), which is scheduled to host the Boxing Day Test, is also expected to release tickets soon. Johannesburg is also due to host a T20 and an ODI.

Another franchise official, who did not want to be named, said they would "urge CSA to sort this out very quickly." They also said it was discussed at last week's CEOs conference and there were concerns over the status of the upcoming home series, which is bound to generate great interest. CSA, however, appear to be in denial that the schedule may be pruned and hence have remained mum on the issue as far as the franchises are concerned.

The BCCI had already objected to the itinerary released in July, saying CSA had announced the schedule without the Indian board's consent. It is understood that the BCCI is on the verge of giving CSA a revised schedule cutting down what was originally scheduled to be a three-Test, seven-ODI and two-T20 tour to two Tests, three ODIs and two T20s.

However, BCCI president N Srinivasan said after the board's working committee meeting on Sunday that the series is "definitely on." A CSA official told ESPNcricinfo that the board had not been contacted by the BCCI on the schedule yet, and it would not respond till it receives "a formal proposal".

The status and length of the South Africa tour was in further doubt when on Sunday, the BCCI announced it would be inviting West Indies for at least two Tests in November. This would directly impact the South Africa schedule, as India were originally due to kickstart their tour on November 18.

If CSA goes with the reduced series, the next bone of contention would be the Boxing Day Test. CSA had reintroduced the traditional Test while announcing the itinerary for India's tour in July. However, the BCCI may demand that the Tests be played before limited-overs' games, thus taking a Boxing Day Test out of equation.

Firdose Moonda is ESPNcricinfo's South Africa correspondent

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  • on September 4, 2013, 4:03 GMT

    All said and done , a home series against WI is a waste of time . CSA should sort out all differences with BCCI and ensure that the no. of tests is not reduced to 2 . It will be good to see how the new generation Indian players fare against the top team in test cricket . Meaningless One dayers should be reduced to the bearest minimum . Having enjoyed watching players like Dravid, Laxman ,Tendulkar , Kumble in test cricket , we are going to miss out heavily on a feast if one dayers are given priority over test cricket .

  • sysubrceq0 on September 7, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    when BCCI object the schedule on Jul 9th, CSA never approached BCCI to work out on schedule and reacted only when BCCI made arrangements for home tour with WI. new Chief Lorgat neither approached BCCI nor made any moves to meet them. Now all this cry from CSA and the cricketing fans that BCCI is doing wrong. When BCCI objected the schedule they want to reduce the ODI's not the Tests but because of no response from CSA, BCCI cannot wait and let go the opportunity to make some revenue by arranging a home tour. CSA bring this upon themselves and the cricket fans. BCCI did exactly what any business unit does.

  • BigINDFan on September 5, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    What's frustrating - BCCI acting like a child that CSA brought in Lorgat. What's sad - Fans have no voice in this matter What's unacceptable - Reducing an important series to a FTP formality

    As I mentioned in another post - ICC should get strict about tours and set standards on how many tests, ODIs and T20s are played. If not dissolve the ICC and let the boards organize everything. If Lorgat needs a position let him join the IPL, I am sure N Srini will love that :-)

  • AhaanSM on September 5, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    The BCCI is scared that SA will easily beat them and they don't want any criticism. That is the whole point.

  • The-Cricketer on September 5, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    "However, BCCI president N Srinivasan said after the board's working committee meeting on Sunday that the series is "definitely on."

    Did N Srinivasan said or Interim BCCI chief Jagmohan Dalmiya ???

    P.S: I doubt its N Srinivasan as media already has other important questions to ask him ;)

  • on September 4, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    unnecessary confusion creation for the sa/india matches.not clear who should blamed for this?.csa/largator bcci.the itirnary should be fixed up immidietly so that franchasy worries in s.a. as well as confusions being created now by commencing the ticket sales for matches can be avoided.3 tests/5odis/2 20-20 matches would be ideal to complete the india/sa contests.

  • Rahul17_1983 on September 4, 2013, 14:28 GMT

    Please keep 7 ODIs and scrap 1 test.It shuld be 1 test,7 ODIs and 2 T20. Tests are boring

  • on September 4, 2013, 14:26 GMT

    I am a fan of test cricket from the time of radio commentary. Having said that - how many of us go to watch test cricket as compared to one day or T20 cricket. Sadly Test cricket does not appeal to the present generation of fans. With empty stands in the grounds which cricket association will like to host Tests as compared to instant cricket. Money is required for the associations to run as well as to develop cricket facilities. If the fans wants Test Cricket they must start watching them. BCCI or for that matter any cricket association will like to have more one day and T20 due to fan following......

  • Des_65 on September 4, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    Everything can fall in place if we are not myopic. Players required for tests, ODIs & T20s may be different and hence two different series in two different countries can run at the same time if there is a particular pattern e.g. tests followed by ODIs followed by T20s. If some players are, however, required in more than one format, use players in the A-team who are, otherwise, just warming the benches. At least they will get some valuable experience. You can satisfy all people at the same time if you think out of the box.

  • JetsFanInDenver on September 4, 2013, 8:41 GMT

    SA should learn one lesson and that is never bite the hand that feeds you. Now they are paying for it. BCCI is very correct in its stand to feel offended. They did not want to deal with Lorgat and they should not be forced to do so.

    India has been very responsible in how it has helped cricket boards of Sri Lanka, WI, Zimb and Pakistan without which these boards would have gone under. Its very different from the times when Australia and England ruled the ICC with their money power and never cared for poorer nations playing cricket. And when you are paying the bills you should atleast be entitled to having a choice on who you want to deal with. Individuals like Lorgat have had an agenda against Indian board and it is obvious even now after taking over there have been no actions from Lorgat to reach out to BCCI. Take Lorgat out of equation and think India would play SA and infact have a shot at winning the series!

  • on September 4, 2013, 4:03 GMT

    All said and done , a home series against WI is a waste of time . CSA should sort out all differences with BCCI and ensure that the no. of tests is not reduced to 2 . It will be good to see how the new generation Indian players fare against the top team in test cricket . Meaningless One dayers should be reduced to the bearest minimum . Having enjoyed watching players like Dravid, Laxman ,Tendulkar , Kumble in test cricket , we are going to miss out heavily on a feast if one dayers are given priority over test cricket .

  • sysubrceq0 on September 7, 2013, 22:54 GMT

    when BCCI object the schedule on Jul 9th, CSA never approached BCCI to work out on schedule and reacted only when BCCI made arrangements for home tour with WI. new Chief Lorgat neither approached BCCI nor made any moves to meet them. Now all this cry from CSA and the cricketing fans that BCCI is doing wrong. When BCCI objected the schedule they want to reduce the ODI's not the Tests but because of no response from CSA, BCCI cannot wait and let go the opportunity to make some revenue by arranging a home tour. CSA bring this upon themselves and the cricket fans. BCCI did exactly what any business unit does.

  • BigINDFan on September 5, 2013, 22:04 GMT

    What's frustrating - BCCI acting like a child that CSA brought in Lorgat. What's sad - Fans have no voice in this matter What's unacceptable - Reducing an important series to a FTP formality

    As I mentioned in another post - ICC should get strict about tours and set standards on how many tests, ODIs and T20s are played. If not dissolve the ICC and let the boards organize everything. If Lorgat needs a position let him join the IPL, I am sure N Srini will love that :-)

  • AhaanSM on September 5, 2013, 14:15 GMT

    The BCCI is scared that SA will easily beat them and they don't want any criticism. That is the whole point.

  • The-Cricketer on September 5, 2013, 12:10 GMT

    "However, BCCI president N Srinivasan said after the board's working committee meeting on Sunday that the series is "definitely on."

    Did N Srinivasan said or Interim BCCI chief Jagmohan Dalmiya ???

    P.S: I doubt its N Srinivasan as media already has other important questions to ask him ;)

  • on September 4, 2013, 16:27 GMT

    unnecessary confusion creation for the sa/india matches.not clear who should blamed for this?.csa/largator bcci.the itirnary should be fixed up immidietly so that franchasy worries in s.a. as well as confusions being created now by commencing the ticket sales for matches can be avoided.3 tests/5odis/2 20-20 matches would be ideal to complete the india/sa contests.

  • Rahul17_1983 on September 4, 2013, 14:28 GMT

    Please keep 7 ODIs and scrap 1 test.It shuld be 1 test,7 ODIs and 2 T20. Tests are boring

  • on September 4, 2013, 14:26 GMT

    I am a fan of test cricket from the time of radio commentary. Having said that - how many of us go to watch test cricket as compared to one day or T20 cricket. Sadly Test cricket does not appeal to the present generation of fans. With empty stands in the grounds which cricket association will like to host Tests as compared to instant cricket. Money is required for the associations to run as well as to develop cricket facilities. If the fans wants Test Cricket they must start watching them. BCCI or for that matter any cricket association will like to have more one day and T20 due to fan following......

  • Des_65 on September 4, 2013, 9:26 GMT

    Everything can fall in place if we are not myopic. Players required for tests, ODIs & T20s may be different and hence two different series in two different countries can run at the same time if there is a particular pattern e.g. tests followed by ODIs followed by T20s. If some players are, however, required in more than one format, use players in the A-team who are, otherwise, just warming the benches. At least they will get some valuable experience. You can satisfy all people at the same time if you think out of the box.

  • JetsFanInDenver on September 4, 2013, 8:41 GMT

    SA should learn one lesson and that is never bite the hand that feeds you. Now they are paying for it. BCCI is very correct in its stand to feel offended. They did not want to deal with Lorgat and they should not be forced to do so.

    India has been very responsible in how it has helped cricket boards of Sri Lanka, WI, Zimb and Pakistan without which these boards would have gone under. Its very different from the times when Australia and England ruled the ICC with their money power and never cared for poorer nations playing cricket. And when you are paying the bills you should atleast be entitled to having a choice on who you want to deal with. Individuals like Lorgat have had an agenda against Indian board and it is obvious even now after taking over there have been no actions from Lorgat to reach out to BCCI. Take Lorgat out of equation and think India would play SA and infact have a shot at winning the series!

  • Spacetrekker on September 4, 2013, 8:27 GMT

    Indian team isn't afraid of SA bowling attack or so and are adequately capable of winning the series. This is all rubbish floating around in the forum without any basis. Remove Lorgat and see the change within a moment. All will be back to normal. And test cricket is getting its due respect despite the empty stands it witnesses worldwide!!!

  • Qa_ankit on September 4, 2013, 7:48 GMT

    Can we have some polls or anything that can let our voices to BCCI and give priority to test cricket. Can we vote some where? or can we write an email? Anything or whatever it is possible to make SA tour possible with maximum number of Tests matches. Even if its 5 Test, 0 ODI's and 0 T-20, i am far more than happy with it. But need this series to be going on. Was waiting since last year for this tour to happen. Specially after Styne and Com. dismissed three team below 50. Really very eager to see Best batting Wall strength V/s Best fire ball power.

  • on September 4, 2013, 7:20 GMT

    3 Tests , 3 ODIs and 1 T20 would be ok..but Dont scrap any Tests it should be 3 at leas..everybody want to see Sachin and Indian batting vs Styen and co...let Tendulkar leave alone..we are still searching our number 5/6 batsman so enjoy watching SRT at least till England series in Tests..Groom youngsters around him for Tests as we did in ODIs..scrap ODIs against WI..Sa tour would be 3 Test in any case..Lograt is not important than we fans

  • ajaym55 on September 4, 2013, 5:36 GMT

    I will not argue whether what BCCI is doing is right or wrong or even whether it is in the long interest of the game. What amuses me is that throughout history any entity which has power arm twists others. It was MCC in cricket earlier or in another context USA today. But when an organisation from a poor country like India flexes it muscles, all hell breaks loose. How dare they not toe the line of others more knowledgable, smarter and powerful people. Eat your hearts, folks and let us enjoy the cricket!

  • on September 4, 2013, 5:35 GMT

    i don't understand people saying BCCI is against test cricket ,they have approved 5 tests in JULY 2014 against england.It is because of CSA arrogant nature they are going to face problems ahead.

  • on September 4, 2013, 5:07 GMT

    I couldn't care less if there are no ODIs or T20s at all. But there has to be an absolute minimum of 3 tests. I think its time we abandon the cliche that cricketers cant be organizers. Cricket needs more ex-players as organizers. These guys just don't understand what its all about. The financial state of cricket doesn't matter if its actually not cricket.

  • on September 4, 2013, 4:12 GMT

    The only reason i see that india are inviting west indies to play tests is to let sachin play his 200th test in mumbai. If thats the case really then its really a pity. @mark the only reason i see that CSA wont invite other country to play series in SA is because of the money that is associated with indian team visiting SA and also i dont think it is fair on CSA's part to announce the series without consulting the BCCI.

  • prachithebest on September 4, 2013, 1:05 GMT

    i think there should be 3 test, 2 ODI nd 1 T20I match series, if suitable gap is not present due to the hectic schedule...i am pleased that SRT will be playing his 200th test match at home

  • Lakpj on September 4, 2013, 0:56 GMT

    Reasons are obvious it seems that India is a bit reluctant to go a longer test series with an experienced batting line up. Their A team did ok in SA but that was without facing the likes of Steyn, Morkal and Philander.

  • Robster1 on September 4, 2013, 0:20 GMT

    Bully boy BCCI at it again - what's the real reason you won't tour SA....

  • Cpt.Meanster on September 3, 2013, 21:26 GMT

    This is the beginning of the end for test cricket. I can't stop smiling at test cricket's woes. A boring format deserves this. Still, the BCCI needs some classes in scheduling and logistics. This whole affair is appalling.

  • rickp15 on September 3, 2013, 21:20 GMT

    @Sathish Pichika....what load of rubbish. It has nothing to do with it. Logat is the real problem and punishing CSA from a financial perspective. Last time India were in CSA they tied a 3 test series(1-1) and right now the India squad is a lot stronger to handle all kinds of conditions around the World. The Champions trophy win this year in England proved that. If you are missing the chance to witness a potential great series that is another matter and I can understand that , however to imply they are afraid of SA bowling as the reason for not going is totally rubbish. The current team India are scared of no bowling attack in the world.

  • UndertheGrill on September 3, 2013, 20:49 GMT

    The BCCI aren't stupid with the fights they pick. CSA have got absolutely no room to manoeuvre, and will almost certainly have to accept whatever they are offered through lack of any sort of viable alternative at this point, despite it leaving a massive hole in their season. They'll probably even struggle to pull their players out of the IPL as some sort of ham-fisted reprisal.

  • kalyanbk on September 3, 2013, 19:40 GMT

    I think most fans want a minimum of 3 tests and 5 ODIs. Two tests is a farce as there is no chance to come back if you lose the first test. 7 ODIs are overkill. I think India wants Sachin to play his 200th test and retire at home. They may also be afraid of a repeat of the disaster in England that too with a new look test squad. Have faith in your youngsters and play a proper series (from an Indian).

  • ravikiran.bits on September 3, 2013, 18:42 GMT

    @satish, this is cricket on WWE, no team will be afraid of playing against other team. even Zimbabwe will welcome playing tests against top side anywhere u want.

  • AltafPatel on September 3, 2013, 17:41 GMT

    we want 4 tests, at least 5 ODIs, and 2 T20s.

  • Srini_Indian on September 3, 2013, 17:24 GMT

    @Satish Pichika: Utter rubbish, tell me one team which plays the seaming, bouncing ball well. Care to explain why England produced a dry, dusty wicket when SA toured last year and Ashes? They are supposed to be the sultans of swing and bounce, right? The truth is every team struggles against seam, bounce, it is the bowlers who makes the difference. If you got good bowlers, opponent won't ditch you green tops and hence the batsmen get away with it. Don't be fooled by the western media who are always jealous and unappreciative of any Asian team particularly India.

  • WaryAry on September 3, 2013, 17:00 GMT

    How is BCCI killing test cricket. 2 tests against WI + 2 tests against SA makes it 4, one more than 3 against SA alone.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:50 GMT

    More Tests!!!!!!!!! We dont want baseball!

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Here the commts which i find it rather hilarious and unfair as everybody is blaming BCCI for all mess. Though I am Indian & die hard criket fan, I am no admirer of BCCI myself & consider them as jokers at the worst but at same tim appreciate their stance on some issues. But the point here everybody should think amongst their conscience before BCCI , who were ruling and bullying the cricket nation...what about England & Aus who used to bully and intimdting others including India...evrybdy shud scratch their grey cells & think why happnd caus the future of cricket in other countries started diminishing & other sports taken. meanwhile, crikect in India has taken off steadily and increasing mad cricket indian population meant that advertisers have huge market whereas in other cricket nations it has diminished a lot irrespective of the quality of play...I reqst all before abusing BCCI think abut ur own. If u want to challenge BCCI, generate the revenue as BCCI does, which I think u is huge.

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on September 3, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    we want odi and t20 only. Test is really killing cricket.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    CSA and BCCI: give us more test cricket and less ODI cricket! You should be playing 5 tests, not 3. It's an insult to cricket!

  • trueindian on September 3, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    This is just blatant bullying by the BCCI. In its attempt to dominate the cricket arena and arm-twist the CSA, it is first of all hurting the cricket lovers who have pure love for the sport. Secondly, it is we who pay you for the matches, its not your right to take it for granted that we will support you in every aspect. We demand the resignation of this tyrannical establishment and support a new one controlled by the Indian government and presided by ex-cricketers who have a clean and successful career.

  • on September 3, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    So England have already announced a schedule v India for July to August next year for 5 Tests, and South Africa cant agree to a series about 8 weeks before its due to start? Shambolic! ALL Test series should be a minim of 3 and ones like this should be 4 or 5 or 6

  • on September 3, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    It looks to me like India is scared on loosing the test series in South Africa with the bowling attack they currently have and batting which can flourish well only in sub-cotinent condition to add to the concern with Laxman and Dravid retirement puts a lot of doubt whether they can survive three test mathch reducing to two test... Yes, it's from a die-hard Indian fan who still believes that Indian team doesn't have the skills to play bouncing balls....

  • hhillbumper on September 3, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    call their bluff and refuse to play them.Disgusted that ECB have given India 5 test tour.They deserve two tests after their performance over here last team.Never seen a team try less

  • Marktc on September 3, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Time for CSA to grow a backbone. The BCCI is so used to bullying it's way. Why would they, knowing the test series in November, invite the WI at the time they did....if it is not three tests, then why even bother...rather find opposition who is willing to give SA public some decent cricket.

  • Spiritofcricket99 on September 3, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    The BCCI are killing test cricket! If we lose this form of the game, we lose the soul of the sport.

  • Slevin7 on September 3, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    To CSA and the BCCI: We want more tests! Less ODI's! Get you stuff together.

  • Slevin7 on September 3, 2013, 6:37 GMT

    To CSA and the BCCI: We want more tests! Less ODI's! Get you stuff together.

  • Spiritofcricket99 on September 3, 2013, 10:03 GMT

    The BCCI are killing test cricket! If we lose this form of the game, we lose the soul of the sport.

  • Marktc on September 3, 2013, 10:41 GMT

    Time for CSA to grow a backbone. The BCCI is so used to bullying it's way. Why would they, knowing the test series in November, invite the WI at the time they did....if it is not three tests, then why even bother...rather find opposition who is willing to give SA public some decent cricket.

  • hhillbumper on September 3, 2013, 13:57 GMT

    call their bluff and refuse to play them.Disgusted that ECB have given India 5 test tour.They deserve two tests after their performance over here last team.Never seen a team try less

  • on September 3, 2013, 14:18 GMT

    It looks to me like India is scared on loosing the test series in South Africa with the bowling attack they currently have and batting which can flourish well only in sub-cotinent condition to add to the concern with Laxman and Dravid retirement puts a lot of doubt whether they can survive three test mathch reducing to two test... Yes, it's from a die-hard Indian fan who still believes that Indian team doesn't have the skills to play bouncing balls....

  • on September 3, 2013, 15:07 GMT

    So England have already announced a schedule v India for July to August next year for 5 Tests, and South Africa cant agree to a series about 8 weeks before its due to start? Shambolic! ALL Test series should be a minim of 3 and ones like this should be 4 or 5 or 6

  • trueindian on September 3, 2013, 16:11 GMT

    This is just blatant bullying by the BCCI. In its attempt to dominate the cricket arena and arm-twist the CSA, it is first of all hurting the cricket lovers who have pure love for the sport. Secondly, it is we who pay you for the matches, its not your right to take it for granted that we will support you in every aspect. We demand the resignation of this tyrannical establishment and support a new one controlled by the Indian government and presided by ex-cricketers who have a clean and successful career.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:16 GMT

    CSA and BCCI: give us more test cricket and less ODI cricket! You should be playing 5 tests, not 3. It's an insult to cricket!

  • DRS_Flawed_NeedsImprovement on September 3, 2013, 16:30 GMT

    we want odi and t20 only. Test is really killing cricket.

  • on September 3, 2013, 16:37 GMT

    Here the commts which i find it rather hilarious and unfair as everybody is blaming BCCI for all mess. Though I am Indian & die hard criket fan, I am no admirer of BCCI myself & consider them as jokers at the worst but at same tim appreciate their stance on some issues. But the point here everybody should think amongst their conscience before BCCI , who were ruling and bullying the cricket nation...what about England & Aus who used to bully and intimdting others including India...evrybdy shud scratch their grey cells & think why happnd caus the future of cricket in other countries started diminishing & other sports taken. meanwhile, crikect in India has taken off steadily and increasing mad cricket indian population meant that advertisers have huge market whereas in other cricket nations it has diminished a lot irrespective of the quality of play...I reqst all before abusing BCCI think abut ur own. If u want to challenge BCCI, generate the revenue as BCCI does, which I think u is huge.