Australia v England, 2nd Test, Adelaide, 2nd day December 4, 2010

'We're not at our perky best' - Haddin

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If you say something often enough you start to believe it. At least that's what Australia's resident hypnotist Brad Haddin is hoping. "This game does turn," he said repeatedly after England had taken a 72-run lead by finishing the second day at 2 for 317.

The series is only seven days old but Australia have been swamped by England over the past four. They own a willing attack but it hasn't found an answer to the prolific Alastair Cook, who is 136 not out, and it will also have to contend with Kevin Pietersen starting the third day 15 from a century.

It wasn't so long ago that Australia could make things happen, but this version of the side has to wait and wait and wait. In 1989 David Gower sipped champagne during a break to celebrate an England wicket and it wouldn't have been a surprise today to have seen Ricky Ponting head straight for the marquees for a cup of VB at tea. Ryan Harris removed Jonathan Trott for 78 in the middle session, the first time in 502 runs that the Trott-Cook partnership had been broken.

The mood in the dressing room was definitely not bubbly. "We're not at our perky best, but life goes on," Haddin said. Adelaide's new ground has been full and loud, but the local spectators are in various states of shock.

For the Australians, there is a party everywhere outside their dressing room. The music from England's area is louder than the roars of the Barmy Army whenever their batsmen find the boundary.

Haddin knows the local players have their "backs to the wall" and wants them to "stay tough" over the rest of the game. "Everything seems to be going England's way," he said a couple of times. "The game does turn."

On the first day Haddin was involved in an argument with James Anderson that eventually led to Ricky Ponting having a long exchange with Andrew Strauss about the behaviour of the touring side. Haddin is chirpy from behind the stumps and when he's holding a bat, but he wouldn't give any details of the discussions.

However, he couldn't hold a straight face after being asked about Anderson getting under Australian skins. "Nope," he replied, before breaking into a huge smile.

When the lips say one thing, look to the eyes. Australia's have lost their sparkle, even if this game does turn.

Peter English is the Australasia editor of Cricinfo

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  • on December 5, 2010, 1:02 GMT

    David Gower having a champagne in 1989 at the fall of an English wicket. Shd hv read "Aussie wicket i guess. Australians are simply outplayed and wont be surprising if England win 3-0 or 4-0.... At the current form, cant see clarke replacing ponting Will Katich be the next captain....

  • Deepkar on December 4, 2010, 23:44 GMT

    Ponting will be under huge pressure. Once gavaskar said there is always big pressure when u got duck in previous inning as no one wants to get pair & with the lead eng is going to have ponting can scrumble.

  • tdobbo on December 4, 2010, 21:55 GMT

    Haddin is a plonker, his sledging is awful..considering he dropped a sitter of a catch and at a crucial stage, he should concentrate on improving as a keeper, lets hope he has that in him, if he doesn't then time to move over to someone else, at the moment he is well below par, a case of making your own luck I think. Yet another pathetic ambassador for his country ad the game, following in the footsteps of Wee Wicky, Watson, Doug the Rug, etc

  • SDHM on December 4, 2010, 21:25 GMT

    Gilly4eva - you only have to look at the England v Australia A game to realise that your second string isn't world beating either. And that was with England's second string bowlers, themselves not exactly a world class bunch.

  • on December 4, 2010, 20:53 GMT

    I think this is the last Test series for Ponting and so time to introduce Ph. Jeques, CL White and Adam Voges in next Tests. There is no wicket taking bowler in bowling lineup, i wonder where St. Clark and Nannes are gone. Promoting Hussy into #3 can be a good idea in 2nd inning otherwise this looks to me an inning defeat to aussies !!!

  • Donut_Davey on December 4, 2010, 19:07 GMT

    To Okakaboka That is what I was saying I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Wade without pay TV and I missed the last 3 Vic games in WA so maybe Wade is the best but Australia need to pick the Gloveman I have been impressed with Hartley but Wade may be it. Haddin is probably the best batter of the WK's but at best is a 4 out of 10 keeper. 3 ??? drops this series already. As a Pommie fan I know this to well Jack Russell dropped for Alec Stewart (great batter poor WK) and Chris Read and Matt Prior left out for Geraint Jones. England changed there policy, NZ has McCullum now a batter and Hopkins WK. SL also Sangakkara batter and Jayawardene WK and they are all better for it. Australia has to, whether it be Wade, Hartley or Paine. The best Gloveman must play even if they bat 11. Bowlers should be the same.

  • AKS286 on December 4, 2010, 18:29 GMT

    yes aussie strikes anytime they never give up till the match is finally over. m.north plz anyone tell me why he is in team? adam voges is the best option at no.6. but really cook is the real surprise package for aussies even for english supporters. no one expect such a wonderful batting by cook. for the third test aussie has to take some strong decision to their selection dont change aussie bowler change batsman. s.watson p.hughes r.ponting m.clarke m.hussey a.voges b.haddin j.kreja m.johnson r.harris s.clark

  • Something_Witty on December 4, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    Well Haddin's statement is probably the biggest understatement of the century, it's still perfectly true though. England hold a huge mental edge at the moment, mainly caused by the scattergun selections/non-selections of Australian players over the past few weeks, I can't see us reclaiming the Ashes or even winning a match this series right now. The confidence of our boys is totally shot and they will really need something phenomenal to turn this around. Well played England, capitalising on the good form of their batsmen and the poor form of ours.

  • WilliamFranklin on December 4, 2010, 18:04 GMT

    Ponting was having another whinge at the umpires at the end. Can you imagine what England would be called if strauss was doing the same.

    The fact that Aussies think watson is decent says all you need to know about the current state of their side.

  • ryanakajoey on December 4, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    you'd be a fool to gamble on "the game does turn" even though it does and that's why we love it, but can we really see australia bowling england out on this pitch...we'll have to bat for 2 days to save this test... the series is actually panning out as boring boring boring like the adelaide crowd were chanting this arvo...hope they curator at the waca spices up the series....i'd rather watch 3 and a half days of action (even if australia lose) than watch teams batting for 2 days, especially cook...he's not exactly a crowd pleaser!!!

  • on December 5, 2010, 1:02 GMT

    David Gower having a champagne in 1989 at the fall of an English wicket. Shd hv read "Aussie wicket i guess. Australians are simply outplayed and wont be surprising if England win 3-0 or 4-0.... At the current form, cant see clarke replacing ponting Will Katich be the next captain....

  • Deepkar on December 4, 2010, 23:44 GMT

    Ponting will be under huge pressure. Once gavaskar said there is always big pressure when u got duck in previous inning as no one wants to get pair & with the lead eng is going to have ponting can scrumble.

  • tdobbo on December 4, 2010, 21:55 GMT

    Haddin is a plonker, his sledging is awful..considering he dropped a sitter of a catch and at a crucial stage, he should concentrate on improving as a keeper, lets hope he has that in him, if he doesn't then time to move over to someone else, at the moment he is well below par, a case of making your own luck I think. Yet another pathetic ambassador for his country ad the game, following in the footsteps of Wee Wicky, Watson, Doug the Rug, etc

  • SDHM on December 4, 2010, 21:25 GMT

    Gilly4eva - you only have to look at the England v Australia A game to realise that your second string isn't world beating either. And that was with England's second string bowlers, themselves not exactly a world class bunch.

  • on December 4, 2010, 20:53 GMT

    I think this is the last Test series for Ponting and so time to introduce Ph. Jeques, CL White and Adam Voges in next Tests. There is no wicket taking bowler in bowling lineup, i wonder where St. Clark and Nannes are gone. Promoting Hussy into #3 can be a good idea in 2nd inning otherwise this looks to me an inning defeat to aussies !!!

  • Donut_Davey on December 4, 2010, 19:07 GMT

    To Okakaboka That is what I was saying I must admit I haven't seen a lot of Wade without pay TV and I missed the last 3 Vic games in WA so maybe Wade is the best but Australia need to pick the Gloveman I have been impressed with Hartley but Wade may be it. Haddin is probably the best batter of the WK's but at best is a 4 out of 10 keeper. 3 ??? drops this series already. As a Pommie fan I know this to well Jack Russell dropped for Alec Stewart (great batter poor WK) and Chris Read and Matt Prior left out for Geraint Jones. England changed there policy, NZ has McCullum now a batter and Hopkins WK. SL also Sangakkara batter and Jayawardene WK and they are all better for it. Australia has to, whether it be Wade, Hartley or Paine. The best Gloveman must play even if they bat 11. Bowlers should be the same.

  • AKS286 on December 4, 2010, 18:29 GMT

    yes aussie strikes anytime they never give up till the match is finally over. m.north plz anyone tell me why he is in team? adam voges is the best option at no.6. but really cook is the real surprise package for aussies even for english supporters. no one expect such a wonderful batting by cook. for the third test aussie has to take some strong decision to their selection dont change aussie bowler change batsman. s.watson p.hughes r.ponting m.clarke m.hussey a.voges b.haddin j.kreja m.johnson r.harris s.clark

  • Something_Witty on December 4, 2010, 18:12 GMT

    Well Haddin's statement is probably the biggest understatement of the century, it's still perfectly true though. England hold a huge mental edge at the moment, mainly caused by the scattergun selections/non-selections of Australian players over the past few weeks, I can't see us reclaiming the Ashes or even winning a match this series right now. The confidence of our boys is totally shot and they will really need something phenomenal to turn this around. Well played England, capitalising on the good form of their batsmen and the poor form of ours.

  • WilliamFranklin on December 4, 2010, 18:04 GMT

    Ponting was having another whinge at the umpires at the end. Can you imagine what England would be called if strauss was doing the same.

    The fact that Aussies think watson is decent says all you need to know about the current state of their side.

  • ryanakajoey on December 4, 2010, 17:17 GMT

    you'd be a fool to gamble on "the game does turn" even though it does and that's why we love it, but can we really see australia bowling england out on this pitch...we'll have to bat for 2 days to save this test... the series is actually panning out as boring boring boring like the adelaide crowd were chanting this arvo...hope they curator at the waca spices up the series....i'd rather watch 3 and a half days of action (even if australia lose) than watch teams batting for 2 days, especially cook...he's not exactly a crowd pleaser!!!

  • on December 4, 2010, 17:10 GMT

    Aussies domination is over. They will slowly become pretty ordinary team in the days to come. WI was much more stronger than aussies when they were at their peak of pride. Ponting was looking like a awesome captain when Warne, McGrath, Gilly, Hayden & Martin were around. He looks less than ordinary nowadays.

  • Victorian-Roo on December 4, 2010, 17:02 GMT

    @Gilly4ever....ur cockiness needs to be admired. You have the audacity to say that Aussies could have won 5-0! Do u even know what it takes to whitewash a side? Well i'll tell you...it requires Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Gilchrist, Warne, McGrath kind of players and all of them being at their best AT THE SAME TIME plus a little bit of luck. It is then when a side can extend its sheer dominance over its opponent over 6 weeks continually. North makes me feel pukish. More than the selectors, Punter makes me angry. Selectors can select Tom, Dick n Harry but why the hell do u need to play them in ur XI?? Don't tell me that there aren't better players on the bench than North! If Johnson can be dropped, why not North? Selecting Doherthy ahead of O'Keefe was crazy enuf and continuing with North will be crazier. We don't mind losing (it seems the only possible outcome now) but not by a ridiculous margin. Plz Chappell sack Andrew H.....Mervy was a better selector any day!

  • Aussasinator on December 4, 2010, 16:20 GMT

    It's no longer sledging, its dirty grumbling. There is no confidence left for the sledging!

  • on December 4, 2010, 15:28 GMT

    Australia will win the series 2-1.

  • alexrotta on December 4, 2010, 15:22 GMT

    Hi Austrlia can still salvage their prestige in the next three tests. The options are

    1. If Warne, Mcgrath, Hayden,Langer, Gilchrist decide to come out of retirement.

    2. They are allowed two or three extra players by changing the rules

    3. Or they can naturalise some players from other countries and selecting them for rest of the series by making some changes in their Naturalision rules instantly.

    Otherwise it looks like that there is no way they can maintain their current ranking and will have to struggle in the near future with NZ, WI, ZI for the bottom 3-4 positions.

  • on December 4, 2010, 15:00 GMT

    Gilly4ever. I agree. Australia so unlucky. Just a tweak here and there from the selctors and of course it would have been an inevitable 5-0 thrashing. Perhaps you mean some of the 2nd team that England's 2nd string attack ran through. Phil Hughes or Ferguson? What a joke. Or are you suggesting that there are players who did not even make the two's who are worldbeaters? Very funny.

  • STondulkar on December 4, 2010, 14:49 GMT

    So many great batsmen and bowlers + "sledging" made australia the world beaters. Now they have turned into such a poor side that Ponting (who could keep his arrogance going because of the other greats) is complaining about sledging. What a joke!!! BIG JOKE!!! Where is the aussi Attitude? It works only if you have good players...

  • Clyde on December 4, 2010, 14:43 GMT

    I keep hearing what seems to imply that the Australian bowlers haven't done enough training bowling at a single stump. Until they can hit it at least half the time they are not accurate enough. We hear, for example, that someone is supposed to be bowling at the top of the off stump and it ends up on the leg stump, or worse. Is there any excuse for this?

  • swamistyle on December 4, 2010, 14:19 GMT

    "Ricky Ponting having a long exchange with Andrew Strauss about the behaviour of the touring side."

    LMAO - what was the "exchange" about? Was Ricky schooling him on the Spirit of Cricket? Did Strauss question Ricky's integrity in the game & Ricky told him he shouldnt be standing here?

    Ponting m8, I luv u & all & ur Oz best batsman since Bradman but ur 36 now & past ur best. U stubbornly keep hooking even though ur reflexes arent the same & worst of all ur captaincy leaves a lot to be desired. Its no coincidence that even ur ex teammates bag u. A captain needs to keep his cool & always have a plan but u do neither. The worst part is we r in 4 a long period at the bottom once showpony clarke takes over. How this over-rated dud got 2 b vc is beyond me. Mass cleanout of players (starting with clarke & north) & then the idiotic selectors is required. Hilditch especially should be charged by a court of law 4 crimes agst the Oz cricket team. Until then ricky, time 2 suck it up princess.

  • Razor88 on December 4, 2010, 14:04 GMT

    Gilly4ever : lol!! Can't stop laughing.5-0 was never on the cards.Wake up!!Reality hurts dude.It hurts Pretty bad.Seems to the selector there aren't any other who is Good enuf to take the field or else would have happened the same 6 Months ago :D.

  • EzhilVenN on December 4, 2010, 13:24 GMT

    I always enjoy reading the comments followed by the article. Personally its been absolute fun watching England smacking Australia red, black and blue. Never liked the arrogance that always associated with the Australian brilliance over the years. Well, being neither an Australian nor an English man, I observed a few flaws in Australia which most of you guys will agree on. Selection Woes - North has had the best luck than any other cricketer in the world. Clarke at the most must be given the Perth test to show some runs. Team strategy - Ponting must drop down and more than anything, cut down his arrogance and respect the opponent. And people please leave Gilly4ever alone. He is just venting out his desperation. @Gilly4ever - The sooner you understand the limitations of the current team, better it is for you.

  • mogan707 on December 4, 2010, 13:02 GMT

    Sooner than later there might be a change in leadership.A FRESH MIND with different ideas from a NEW CAPTAIN is the order of the day to restore decency in Australian Cricket. Ponting must relish quitting captaincy and mentor the young ones for captaincy .Cameron White is one such a person whom he might groom to take over the reigns and the glories in the future years.When a transition is going it should not be a forced one but a natural one;in the case of Aussies it has happened just the opposite.The present Australian team needs at least two years to settle in before they regain top form.At present they need to stick to basics rather than heroics.They must learn how to save the test before winning it.The team cannot be aggressive always;It takes a toll on the minds,on the fitness and eventually the place that is what is happening in Australian Cricket.ENJOYING THE CRICKET EVERY MOMENT BY GIVING UR 100% must be the ultimate aim of any cricketer.DO IT!!!

  • mrklinkerpants on December 4, 2010, 12:43 GMT

    Gilly4ever - the slectors and back-room set-up that everyone is now tearing apart is the same kind of set-up that has seen Australia dominate world cricket for the past 20 years - fair weather fans such as yourself really should learn to understand the game and the nature of life before writing such rubbish (and that is coming from a Pom who has seen his side get routinely whacked in these encounters during most of my lifetime). The pendulum swings one way and then the other - to slam the system that has helped you dominate for nearly a quarter of a century seems pretty ridiculous to me. As for your 5-0 prediction, didn't you see Australia's bright young things get torn-up by an England reserve attack? Biggest laugh of the series so far though has to be the Aussies complaining about the naughty Englishmen 'invading their personal space'. So much for your love of 'mental disintegration' when you are the ones out on the floor having sand kicked in your faces for a change.

  • on December 4, 2010, 12:38 GMT

    Gilly4ever, you state 'the players in Australia could easily have won this series 5-0'. Where and who are these players you talk about? Agreed North is not good enough to play in the Baggie Green, and Clarke is struggling through injury, but who do you replace them with? Khawaja looks a talent and even if he had had some exposure prior to this series, he is still very raw. Ferguson doesn't look a much better bet than North, and whilst I like the look of Cameron White, he seems to becoming more of a ODI specialist. Steve Smith should be in the side because of his useful lower order runs, but I don't think he'd make a massive difference with the ball since he's only an ordinary leggie. Furthermore, you mention that you are finally playing your best bowlers yet England are 317 for 2. For years the English blamed Ashes defeats on everybody from players to selectors to the lack of decent coaching, whilst not really realising how good the Aussie were. Obstensibly, the tide is turning!

  • on December 4, 2010, 12:36 GMT

    gilly4ever - there isnt a chance in hell that you could have won this 5 zip. where are the young up and coming bowlers? one the batsmen your media is touting, ferguson, has a 1st class average of 35 - and is already 26 years old:-O. you are kidding yourself if you believe that there is enough talent in the locker to turn us over by that margin. i will say that there does seem to be some talent (where is phil hughes while the convict team crumbles? and khwaja looks a real prospect - of course if you pick him you'll have to stop having a go at our saffies ;-)) and it could be a lot tighter than the current state of play, but england are a hard, tight unit, and wont be beaten easily, by anyone these days. cricket does need a strong australia, and the selectors should have started to make the required changes after the last ashes, but im afraid right now, your looking like the great windies side of the 80's when it went into decline!

  • suresh_sksj on December 4, 2010, 12:31 GMT

    One more thing that i wanted to point out is, it's India who showed to the cricketing world that Ausies can be beaten and that too in Australia. Many have learnt that trick and using it effectively. The trick was just to keep ignoring all those lousy sledgings that were being thrown both on-field and off-field. Mind Games...ha ha ha...now Ausies are the victims of their own trick...mind games...now they dont have the mind to think what's hit them for the past 1+ years...slipped from No1 to 5 in ICC test ranking in just few months...that's a mind blowing slip "Down Under"

  • on December 4, 2010, 12:20 GMT

    The moment others picked up the art of sledging and also the introduction of neutral umpires the chinks in the Australian cricket's armour are sounding loud and clear. The moment Bhajji gave them back they lost Perth test, yet to win In India because Zaheer masters the art of pre match sledging and everybody in world cricked started paying back the Aussies in the same coin. Australians are mentally disintegrated now. Katich is chasing his stubbornness, watson is chasing Sehwag, Ricky is chasing Sachin, Michael clarke is still thinking about ex girl friend, Hussey chasing arrogance, North chasing his place, Haddin being Pained, Mitchell chasing the area outside the off stump, Bollinger chasing his strained Abdomen, Hilfenhaus chasing Damien Fleming, Siddle chasing McDermott. Stop chasing and start playing dear Aussies.

  • suresh_sksj on December 4, 2010, 12:13 GMT

    Ausies have got everything wrong for the past 1+ yrs, they have been keeping quite and relaxing all these yrs while they were the # 1 , they never bothered to make good bench strength, many of the guys who could have repalced Glen, Lee, Gilly, Hydo etc left for IPL and concentrating on playing 20-20 in both domestic and international (remember Test cricket is TEST Cricket and that too ASHES is the most important of them all) So playing test cricket is a different ball game....and that does not come while playing 20-20 and B&H Sheild games, so Ausies were not producing quality cricketers who can really mould into the shoes of those greats who have left the game in the past 2 years or so, guess Ponting should have quit Test Cricket along with those greats & keep playing IPL/2020 like Warnie, Hydo, Roy, Glen, Lee, Gilly, should have rtd when going was good & make $$ in IPL, now the only ??? is if kicked out by ACB, will not get that great sendoffs that Steve Waugh, Glen, Mark Taylor got.

  • dogbear on December 4, 2010, 12:08 GMT

    I wish I knew more about Ponting's rant - surely Anderson's sledging can't be more aggressive than the stuff Waugh (S) used to promote....

  • bumsonseats on December 4, 2010, 11:52 GMT

    for an Australian team to complain about sledging is rich,coming from the world beaters who were never seen to be short of a word or 3. and gilly4ever get real. i was never of the opinion the england would win the ashes but the players that you have these days are not a 5 - 0 ashes winning team unless you would like to play say 13 or 14 V an english 11. dpk

  • LALITHKURUWITA on December 4, 2010, 11:51 GMT

    This is a good lesson for the No 1 sledging team in the world. Sri Lankan ODI series indicated this result. Aussies need to borrow few young fast bowlers from Pak or Slinger the Malinga to beat POMS. Anyway it is wonderful to see Poms are playing top class cricket. I enjoy Cook who is cooking Aussie bowlers.

  • Beefy_Burman on December 4, 2010, 11:51 GMT

    @Gilly, i'd be interested to know who these Australian players are who could 'easily have won this series 5-0'. Maybe if Warne, Mcgrath, Hayden etc came out of retirement :D

  • Okakaboka on December 4, 2010, 11:44 GMT

    No Donut_Davey,....Wade is the better option. Better Bat than Paine and just as good a keeper.....and even younger I think.

  • on December 4, 2010, 11:39 GMT

    Yep I'd have to agree that having taken 3 English wickets for a smidgin over 800 runs suggests to me that it has been going England's way a bit. That is a good assessment from Haddin, very accurate Brad, you are spot on. Of course momentum changes during the course of 5 day games and usually this comes about when a side takes a couple of wickets, or someone posts a magnificent innings. Bit of a problem here for the Aussie side, because the only person capable of taking a wicket - Warnie - is long retired and our best bat, Ponting, is past it. The rest of the rabble, Watson and two a lesser extent grandpa Hussey who admire for his fighting qualities excluded, are a joke. This team has had a soft underbelly for a while and now it has been crudely and candidly exposed - Clarke and North must go and some steel introduced. If the best bowlers in Australia have been selected for tests 1 & 2, we are worse off than I initially thought because if true this is diabolical.

  • Guernica on December 4, 2010, 11:30 GMT

    @Gilly4ever - get real. You seriously think Australia had the players to win 5-0 if only they had been picked? That is massively underestimating England and it's suggestive of the kind of Aussie superiority complex that has caused this situation they are in. Take a look at the England vs Australia A game if you need a clue. And that was England's second string attack. It's the same kind of thinking that assumes the Sheffield Shield is still the toughest competition in the world. In reality it's hard to gauge how good your domestic cricketers are because there are no overseas players in the competition.

  • popcorn on December 4, 2010, 11:00 GMT

    Believe in the "never -say -die" Aussie spirit, Peter English. If you can't, go fishing.

  • Dansun1978 on December 4, 2010, 10:53 GMT

    It seems to be the case that Ponting is becoming increasingly under the kosh from all sides and I'm not entirely sure that's fair. If the series is won by England which is looking like an increasingly viable possibility I fear it could seriously tarnish his acheivements as a player and captain. The likes of the Ponting/Haddin/Strauss exchange really don't help - Aussies complaining about sledging, come on. If there's one thing that stands out it's Australia's inability to recognise that you can't be a great side 100% of the time. Yes there was a sustained period of true greatness but what team wouldn't look less potent having lost a Gilly, Warne, McGrath, Hayden & Langer etc. All top players. BTW - Gilly4ever - it's pretty arrogant to be chirping that this series could have been won 5-0 with the right selection. That's the same kind of attitude which is showing up your national side at the moment, good cricket deserves respect. You can't win everything all the time mate.

  • nawazkhan1 on December 4, 2010, 10:39 GMT

    When you don't have replacement for like's of Mcgrath & Warne or even close to their abilities you will not be able to challenge teams in best of their forms, can any one tell me who is the batsmen or bowler who is out of the form in england squad

  • PTtheAxis on December 4, 2010, 10:36 GMT

    aussies are cooked any which way you see it ... and they don't have their umpires to save them ... hurrah for neutral umpires ... was surprised to see an aussie umpire in the srilanka-aussie one day series ... they could not help but cheat

  • StarveTheLizard on December 4, 2010, 10:31 GMT

    I think things are only going to get worse before they get better for Australia. Things will change for the better. Not this year though. We have a strong grass-roots system and some exciting players coming through the system. In the meantime, Oz fans will just have to weather the storm.

  • Bigbanger666 on December 4, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    @Gilly4ever, agreed. Things are real ugly tho. This series might just force the selectors into change as things clearly can't get any worse.

  • on December 4, 2010, 10:10 GMT

    Peter sorry to say but the Aussies lost their sparkle a long time ago! Now they've even lost their top spot in sledging!

  • Donut_Davey on December 4, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    My Comments in the week stand true a Keeper should be selecting on his glovework not his batting. A 50 by Haddin doesn't make uop for drop catches bring in Paine or Hartley

  • Webba84 on December 4, 2010, 9:58 GMT

    The game doesn't just turn by itself, it turns when players make it for goodness sake. Work harder Aussies, this isn't good enough!

  • Ozcricketwriter on December 4, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    Selections, selections, selections. The sad thing is that everyone in the entire world knew what the Australian side should have been about 6 months before the Ashes, but for some reason the selectors didn't. All goes well, we might have that side by the 3rd test, but it is really all a bit late. Continuing to play North is absurd, and continuing with Michael Clarke in spite of the obvious injury is just plain stupid. We are now finally playing our 2 best bowlers, which is a start, but we need our best batting line up too. And we really needed to have sorted this out before the test series started, not halfway through it. It is little wonder that England are on top. It is sad, since the players around in Australia could easily have won this series 5-0 but with idiotic selectors it is very difficult.

  • manasvi_lingam on December 4, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    All they can hope to do is to hang in and aim from an honourable draw. But, they will face a good attack led Squadron Leader Anderson

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  • manasvi_lingam on December 4, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    All they can hope to do is to hang in and aim from an honourable draw. But, they will face a good attack led Squadron Leader Anderson

  • Ozcricketwriter on December 4, 2010, 9:53 GMT

    Selections, selections, selections. The sad thing is that everyone in the entire world knew what the Australian side should have been about 6 months before the Ashes, but for some reason the selectors didn't. All goes well, we might have that side by the 3rd test, but it is really all a bit late. Continuing to play North is absurd, and continuing with Michael Clarke in spite of the obvious injury is just plain stupid. We are now finally playing our 2 best bowlers, which is a start, but we need our best batting line up too. And we really needed to have sorted this out before the test series started, not halfway through it. It is little wonder that England are on top. It is sad, since the players around in Australia could easily have won this series 5-0 but with idiotic selectors it is very difficult.

  • Webba84 on December 4, 2010, 9:58 GMT

    The game doesn't just turn by itself, it turns when players make it for goodness sake. Work harder Aussies, this isn't good enough!

  • Donut_Davey on December 4, 2010, 9:59 GMT

    My Comments in the week stand true a Keeper should be selecting on his glovework not his batting. A 50 by Haddin doesn't make uop for drop catches bring in Paine or Hartley

  • on December 4, 2010, 10:10 GMT

    Peter sorry to say but the Aussies lost their sparkle a long time ago! Now they've even lost their top spot in sledging!

  • Bigbanger666 on December 4, 2010, 10:30 GMT

    @Gilly4ever, agreed. Things are real ugly tho. This series might just force the selectors into change as things clearly can't get any worse.

  • StarveTheLizard on December 4, 2010, 10:31 GMT

    I think things are only going to get worse before they get better for Australia. Things will change for the better. Not this year though. We have a strong grass-roots system and some exciting players coming through the system. In the meantime, Oz fans will just have to weather the storm.

  • PTtheAxis on December 4, 2010, 10:36 GMT

    aussies are cooked any which way you see it ... and they don't have their umpires to save them ... hurrah for neutral umpires ... was surprised to see an aussie umpire in the srilanka-aussie one day series ... they could not help but cheat

  • nawazkhan1 on December 4, 2010, 10:39 GMT

    When you don't have replacement for like's of Mcgrath & Warne or even close to their abilities you will not be able to challenge teams in best of their forms, can any one tell me who is the batsmen or bowler who is out of the form in england squad

  • Dansun1978 on December 4, 2010, 10:53 GMT

    It seems to be the case that Ponting is becoming increasingly under the kosh from all sides and I'm not entirely sure that's fair. If the series is won by England which is looking like an increasingly viable possibility I fear it could seriously tarnish his acheivements as a player and captain. The likes of the Ponting/Haddin/Strauss exchange really don't help - Aussies complaining about sledging, come on. If there's one thing that stands out it's Australia's inability to recognise that you can't be a great side 100% of the time. Yes there was a sustained period of true greatness but what team wouldn't look less potent having lost a Gilly, Warne, McGrath, Hayden & Langer etc. All top players. BTW - Gilly4ever - it's pretty arrogant to be chirping that this series could have been won 5-0 with the right selection. That's the same kind of attitude which is showing up your national side at the moment, good cricket deserves respect. You can't win everything all the time mate.