England in India 2012-13 December 3, 2012

ECB makes Performance Programme tour apology

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The ECB has issued an apology to the BCCI following its failure to gain all the necessary clearances for the England Performance Programme's (EPP) tour of India.

ESPNcricinfo understands that, following a letter from the BCCI demanding to know why it had not been approached to grant permission for the tour, the ECB explained there had been an oversight and apologised. It is understood that the apology has been accepted and that the EPP tour will continue as planned.

While the incident will be an embarrassment to the ECB, there are some mitigating factors. It did have the authority of the Mumbai Cricket Association (MCA) for the tour and had presumed - erroneously as it transpired - that, as several officials within the MCA are also officials within the BCCI, it had all the permission required. The ECB has now accepted that the tour did not have the appropriate clearance.

The issue was exacerbated by the fact that several members of the England Test squad, including Steven Finn, took part in the EPP game against the Dr DY Patil Academy side. Finn, trying to regain fitness after an injury that ruled him out of the first two Tests, claimed four wickets in the first innings and went a long way to proving his readiness for a recall. Some at the BCCI were understood to be underwhelmed at the lending hand being offered to the touring side in the middle of a hotly contested Test series. Some within the BCCI are also reportedly less than enamoured with Dnyandeo Yashwantrao Patil and Vijay Patil, his son who is the founder of the Academy and a vice-president of the MCA.

BCCI officials were also concerned that the likes of Craig Kieswetter and Jos Buttler, who are part of England's limited-overs squads, were using the EPP tour to gain a familiarity with Indian conditions ahead of their international commitments in the country over the next few weeks.

In September the BCCI issued a letter to all state associations in which BCCI president N Srinivasan informed them they must "not entertain any foreign teams without the prior permission of the board".

Nitin Dalal, a joint secretary of the MCA, said: "We had received a letter with regard to the England Performance squad training at the Dr DY Patil Sports Academy and had forwarded it to the DYPSA authorities. Today, we received a reply from the Academy and have forwarded it to the Board."

George Dobell is a senior correspondent at ESPNcricinfo

Comments have now been closed for this article

  • memoriesofthepast on December 6, 2012, 5:54 GMT

    There is nothing wrong in England players coming to play practice games in India and nothing wrong in BCCI giving them the permission. But it is wrong if they dont apply for permission from the BCCI. ECB has rightly apologised and matter is finished. I am sure ECB would expect BCCI to request for permission if it has any plans to have a India Performance Programme's tour of England. Non-English players like Sachin Tendulkar and Wasim Akram have been playing English country cricket. I have never heard or read about Australian cricket clubs inviting non-Australians to have such performance programme tours of Australia. BCCI as well as ECB should ensure that these performance tours are made on a equally reciprocative basis. Allowing tours by non-reciprocative and only advantage taking countries like Aus should be stopped.

  • Pelham_Barton on December 5, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    @Fast_Track_Bully on (December 05 2012, 05:06 AM GMT): Yes the ECB should have followed the correct procedure. They have apologised for this failing and the apology has been accepted. However, your use of language such as "ECB were trying to do it in a suspicious way" and "crooked ECB" (in your earlier comment) suggests that you think the ECB were trying to prevent the BCCI from knowing that the tour was taking place. The ECB website contains several announcements about the tour, and the names of the performance squad players were given on the same day as the Test squad, on 18 September 2012. It is inconceivable to me that no-one in the BCCI read that announcement.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on December 5, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    @Pelham_Barton. no worries. but there is some procedure you have to follow. You must get clearance from the home country for that. ECB were trying to do it in a suspicious way! and they I have learned that some of those players are for the ODIs only. If you want a match practice before the ODI series, no issues in that. But you must follow some procedures, that's a must.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 4, 2012, 22:31 GMT

    Let me say this right now. ECB and England management have been very quiet about all the off field hoopla. Deep down they would like nothing more than a series win and stick it to the BCCI...trust me...every single one of them are focused on winning the series and believe me in the unlikely event Eng wins this series journalists form every corner of England and Wales will be out in full force to mock the BCCI.

  • Mitch1066 on December 4, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    I don't understand outrage. England board made mistake apologised enough already? And about panesar bowling to sachin that no different to India not allowing there there first class spinner play Sam up against England really ain't it? Also all team try make best wicket for home side we tried that at home against saffers and lost . I do think sum of you being over the top. At end of day Indian board knew performance squad was coming aswel as would need correct documents to travel to India which Indian board/Indian embassy would helped sort. About Finn playing I suppose not different to Indian plying warm up after Injury before test against England . Most important thing is Ecb realise they were wrong

  • Pelham_Barton on December 4, 2012, 14:02 GMT

    @ Fast_Track_Bully on (December 04 2012, 11:04 AM GMT) who wrote "What if India send a 30 member squad to England to select best 11 from it!!" - and others with similar sentiments: What indeed? Now that we no longer have meaningful first class cricket between Tests, I think it should be completely routine that the visiting country's second team is playing good quality cricket in the same country as the Test side, so that replacements are readily available and acclimatised in case of injury or loss of form. Question for everyone: Are you interested in seeing the highest standard Test cricket possible?

  • cjscanada on December 4, 2012, 14:00 GMT

    To all those Poms who think every problem is created by BCCI, please read the article before you comment. Your response is either arrogance or ignorance of facts. It is common sense that associations linked to the BCCI board has to follow protocol. In this case the permission of the board. DYPA was in breach. How the board reacts to them is the BCCI's concern not yours Pommies. As BCCI being the ultimate authority it was important for ECB to get the approval from the governing body. Presuming things is not the way anyone goes about and that shows the sorry state of the ECB. If they were not in fault would they apologize? So stop deviating from the facts and stop this baseless talk about India being scared. If you are not aware we have an IPL where the Englishmen take part in and yes it is in India. It hurts to be told by India or an institution from India I suppose but be rationale and move on and yes please stop making BCCI and India a culprit for your shortcomings.

  • gsingh7 on December 4, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    shame on ecb for denying sachin practice against panesar and the playing without permission in india, bcci should have stopped match and send epp squad back home , india should be ruthless to rule world cricket for decades

  • Lmaotsetung on December 4, 2012, 12:31 GMT

    The Monty case is totally different because Monty is part of the England setup and the first choice spinner if Swann was to go down. By some people's thinking, it's ok for say KP to get net practice with Harbhajan or even A.Mishra (since they are not first choice but still part of India's plans) bowling at him a week before England were to arrive in India? People keep talking about protocol as though they know what it is or know of its existence...LAUGHABLE! This EPP tour was announced months in advance. Not like nobody knew about it. England has been doing this for many years now, fringe players touring alongside the main squad...they did it in Ashes 2010-11, they went to Sri Lanka this year when England was touring there. Anyway heads will roll if Finn does a Monty and take a 10fer and if Compton happens to pull a McGrath on the morning of the Kolkata test and Root goes on to score a ton, oh boy...there might no longer be a DY Patil Sports Academy anymore in Mumbai...LOL!!!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on December 4, 2012, 11:04 GMT

    Another example of crooked ECB. They wanna test their players in Indian condition, but do not have proper clearance and papers! What if India send a 30 member squad to England to select best 11 from it!! Remember that the coach and ECB refused to send Paneser to bowl agaist Indian batsmen in nets. Shame on ECB and the fans who is trying very hard to save their face!

  • memoriesofthepast on December 6, 2012, 5:54 GMT

    There is nothing wrong in England players coming to play practice games in India and nothing wrong in BCCI giving them the permission. But it is wrong if they dont apply for permission from the BCCI. ECB has rightly apologised and matter is finished. I am sure ECB would expect BCCI to request for permission if it has any plans to have a India Performance Programme's tour of England. Non-English players like Sachin Tendulkar and Wasim Akram have been playing English country cricket. I have never heard or read about Australian cricket clubs inviting non-Australians to have such performance programme tours of Australia. BCCI as well as ECB should ensure that these performance tours are made on a equally reciprocative basis. Allowing tours by non-reciprocative and only advantage taking countries like Aus should be stopped.

  • Pelham_Barton on December 5, 2012, 16:01 GMT

    @Fast_Track_Bully on (December 05 2012, 05:06 AM GMT): Yes the ECB should have followed the correct procedure. They have apologised for this failing and the apology has been accepted. However, your use of language such as "ECB were trying to do it in a suspicious way" and "crooked ECB" (in your earlier comment) suggests that you think the ECB were trying to prevent the BCCI from knowing that the tour was taking place. The ECB website contains several announcements about the tour, and the names of the performance squad players were given on the same day as the Test squad, on 18 September 2012. It is inconceivable to me that no-one in the BCCI read that announcement.

  • Fast_Track_Bully on December 5, 2012, 5:06 GMT

    @Pelham_Barton. no worries. but there is some procedure you have to follow. You must get clearance from the home country for that. ECB were trying to do it in a suspicious way! and they I have learned that some of those players are for the ODIs only. If you want a match practice before the ODI series, no issues in that. But you must follow some procedures, that's a must.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 4, 2012, 22:31 GMT

    Let me say this right now. ECB and England management have been very quiet about all the off field hoopla. Deep down they would like nothing more than a series win and stick it to the BCCI...trust me...every single one of them are focused on winning the series and believe me in the unlikely event Eng wins this series journalists form every corner of England and Wales will be out in full force to mock the BCCI.

  • Mitch1066 on December 4, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    I don't understand outrage. England board made mistake apologised enough already? And about panesar bowling to sachin that no different to India not allowing there there first class spinner play Sam up against England really ain't it? Also all team try make best wicket for home side we tried that at home against saffers and lost . I do think sum of you being over the top. At end of day Indian board knew performance squad was coming aswel as would need correct documents to travel to India which Indian board/Indian embassy would helped sort. About Finn playing I suppose not different to Indian plying warm up after Injury before test against England . Most important thing is Ecb realise they were wrong

  • Pelham_Barton on December 4, 2012, 14:02 GMT

    @ Fast_Track_Bully on (December 04 2012, 11:04 AM GMT) who wrote "What if India send a 30 member squad to England to select best 11 from it!!" - and others with similar sentiments: What indeed? Now that we no longer have meaningful first class cricket between Tests, I think it should be completely routine that the visiting country's second team is playing good quality cricket in the same country as the Test side, so that replacements are readily available and acclimatised in case of injury or loss of form. Question for everyone: Are you interested in seeing the highest standard Test cricket possible?

  • cjscanada on December 4, 2012, 14:00 GMT

    To all those Poms who think every problem is created by BCCI, please read the article before you comment. Your response is either arrogance or ignorance of facts. It is common sense that associations linked to the BCCI board has to follow protocol. In this case the permission of the board. DYPA was in breach. How the board reacts to them is the BCCI's concern not yours Pommies. As BCCI being the ultimate authority it was important for ECB to get the approval from the governing body. Presuming things is not the way anyone goes about and that shows the sorry state of the ECB. If they were not in fault would they apologize? So stop deviating from the facts and stop this baseless talk about India being scared. If you are not aware we have an IPL where the Englishmen take part in and yes it is in India. It hurts to be told by India or an institution from India I suppose but be rationale and move on and yes please stop making BCCI and India a culprit for your shortcomings.

  • gsingh7 on December 4, 2012, 13:08 GMT

    shame on ecb for denying sachin practice against panesar and the playing without permission in india, bcci should have stopped match and send epp squad back home , india should be ruthless to rule world cricket for decades

  • Lmaotsetung on December 4, 2012, 12:31 GMT

    The Monty case is totally different because Monty is part of the England setup and the first choice spinner if Swann was to go down. By some people's thinking, it's ok for say KP to get net practice with Harbhajan or even A.Mishra (since they are not first choice but still part of India's plans) bowling at him a week before England were to arrive in India? People keep talking about protocol as though they know what it is or know of its existence...LAUGHABLE! This EPP tour was announced months in advance. Not like nobody knew about it. England has been doing this for many years now, fringe players touring alongside the main squad...they did it in Ashes 2010-11, they went to Sri Lanka this year when England was touring there. Anyway heads will roll if Finn does a Monty and take a 10fer and if Compton happens to pull a McGrath on the morning of the Kolkata test and Root goes on to score a ton, oh boy...there might no longer be a DY Patil Sports Academy anymore in Mumbai...LOL!!!

  • Fast_Track_Bully on December 4, 2012, 11:04 GMT

    Another example of crooked ECB. They wanna test their players in Indian condition, but do not have proper clearance and papers! What if India send a 30 member squad to England to select best 11 from it!! Remember that the coach and ECB refused to send Paneser to bowl agaist Indian batsmen in nets. Shame on ECB and the fans who is trying very hard to save their face!

  • AJ_Tiger86 on December 4, 2012, 6:20 GMT

    Another example of small minded thinking of the BCCI. In England, we have foreign cricketers playing for various counties to gain familiarity with the conditions. Even before the Ashes, Australian players take part in early season county games to gain experience. We have never had any problems with that. But BCCI are as usual trying to make an issue out of it.

  • YorkshirePudding on December 4, 2012, 5:33 GMT

    Having read the ECB tour announcement, the games the EPP are playing are against DY Patal Acadamy, and are probably due to invitation from the local board, also the One day games and T20 game in pune are against the netherlands. The BCCI are only kicking off because thier team was humiliated by spin in thier own back yard. The ECB also makes it clear on thier website that these games dont have official status, see this link http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/england/england-performance-programme/england-performance-programme-squad-to-tour-india-2012,2771,BP.html

  • jmcilhinney on December 4, 2012, 2:14 GMT

    @Whatsgoinoffoutthere on (December 03 2012, 22:42 PM GMT), that's not really fair. The fact that a couple of MCA officials are also BCCI officials isn't really relevant. Those same members probably assumed that the ECB would contact the BCCI through proper channels and rightly didn't feel that it was their responsibility to bring it up. Talk of visas is also irrelevant because, even if the BCCI were notified of the visa applications, which they may not have been, it would again be different people with different responsibilities. The simple fact is that the ECB were in the wrong for not contacting the BCCI officially in the first place. I say again though, the BCCI would not have had reasonable grounds to refuse them permission for the tour so, as long as there was no malice of forethought, proper apologies were made and the same thing doesn't happen again, I say "no harm, no foul".

  • jmcilhinney on December 4, 2012, 2:07 GMT

    @mvcric on (December 04 2012, 01:01 AM GMT), once again, that's a completely difference scenario. Andy Flower had no issue with Indian players practising in England. What he had issue with was a player who was on the fringes of the Test team and one injury away from playing the Test series against India giving the batsmen who could be facing him an early look. This is non-Test players playing against an academy team. I don't see any of India's second-choice Test players in there. Flower would have had no issue with players of equivalent status bowling to Tendulkar in England before the Test series.

  • mvcric on December 4, 2012, 1:01 GMT

    Those pointing fingers at the BCCI seem to have forgotten how Andy Flower expressed displeasure when Monty Panesar bowled to Sachin Tendulkar in England last year as practice. He then stepped in and ensured that the practice was stopped. Different yardsticks for different folks?

  • jmcilhinney on December 4, 2012, 0:49 GMT

    @samincolumbia on (December 03 2012, 16:15 PM GMT), while the ECB are definitely at fault for not gaining the proper permissions but I also very much doubt that it was a wilful omission. An interesting question is though, if the ECB had at least tried to gain the proper permissions, would the BCCI have granted them. If the answer is "yes" then, as long as the ECB genuinely apologises, as they appear to have done, then I'd say that "no harm, no foul" applies. If the BCCI would not have granted permission for the EPP tour then surely it is they who would be going against the spirit of the game. Just because they don't feel the need to prepare so thoroughly is no reason to actively prevent others doing so. Also, noone has been barging into anywhere, so it's really you who is playing the victim card.

  • Humdingers on December 4, 2012, 0:39 GMT

    Would be interesting to see the reaction of Aussies if the ECB tries this stunt leading up to the ashes. And vice versa if the Aussies tried this over in England - the whinging Poms would have field day. @Dravid_Gravitas_Statchin_Selfishkar - well said.

  • ZalimHK on December 4, 2012, 0:24 GMT

    what a joke, just go out n play cricket, if you lost test accept it, don't cry like kid.

  • CricFan78 on December 3, 2012, 23:34 GMT

    Its funny to see once again tot English fans whining under the line aganst BCCI as usual. Maybe someone needs to "educate" them there are protocols which need to be followed since ECB does not own cricket in India.

  • GreenDeviln on December 3, 2012, 23:20 GMT

    Haha To all England fans, "Apply water to burned area". lol

  • Harvey on December 3, 2012, 23:16 GMT

    Very clever of the ECB to sneak their performance squad out there so that fringe players and those returning from injury can get some practice in without having it sabotaged by the BCCI like the pre-Test warm-up games were. In an ideal world the home board would be sportsmanlike enough to give the tourists warm-up games against decent opposition on the kind of pitches likely to be encountered during the Test series (like the ECB always does), but if that's not going to happen then I think it's quite justifiable to use underhanded methods to get some proper match practice in.

  • Lmaotsetung on December 3, 2012, 22:55 GMT

    LMAO@BCCI...if England were to ever win this series, it will be the most satisfying win since the 81' Ashes and for me a draw would be just as satisfying as that of the 2005 series. I'm sure getting good entertainment from the off the field stuff so far in this series..kinda payback for the stuff we had to endured this past summer :-)

  • Whatsgoinoffoutthere on December 3, 2012, 22:42 GMT

    So, despite several MCA members who were also members of the BCCI having knowledge of the tour, the BCCI claim that they had no knowledge of the tour. Maybe not official knowledge, but as they did by definition have actual knowledge, to claim no knowledge is really a bit pedantic of them - especially as the story has come to light some weeks after the EPP squad (having applied for visas in advance let's not forget) arrived, and started indulging in such covert activities as, um... playing cricket matches. One could be forgiven for concluding that the BCCI are just a little bit out of touch with reality.

    The only prediction I can make for the last game is that it won't be a draw. As to who will win it, I could be a one-eyed Englishman or be honest and say it's wide open. The last game looked a huge win - but don't forget that the majority of England's runs came from a minority of the team. England: good on their day, but a bit fragile.

  • maddy20 on December 3, 2012, 22:34 GMT

    @steve19191, Smithie, Jshells, hhillbumper Did you guys even read the article? ECB did not even clear the EPP tour, but BCCI is generous enough to allow Finn and co to train because we did not want to obstruct their practice ahead of a key tour. They enquired ECB why it had happened through official channels and ECB admitted their mistake, granted the required clearance. Instead of thanking BCCI for not obstructing their practice, you guys are pulling out the knives? Have you guys taken a leave of your senses? Grow up people and stop blaming us for everything. I am really starting to get tired of the persistent India bashing. Cricinfo please publish!

  • bobmartin on December 3, 2012, 21:56 GMT

    Is it any wonder that the majority of the other test playing nations are less than enamoured with the BCCI. I hope India get well and truly thrashed and sink even lower down the ICC table than they already are.. Serve them right, They are a thorn in the backside...

  • Trickstar on December 3, 2012, 21:34 GMT

    @Dravid_Gravitas_Statchin_Selfishkar Yes, maybe the ECB should have made sure the BBCI knew exactly the ins and outs of the EPP tour but you've got to admit, it speaks volumes that they didn't like Finn using the EPP to try out his fitness and then on top of that they also have a problem about who's on the EPP tour, namely Kieswetter & Buttler, it's not their concern. From the very start of this tour there's been an under current of I don't know if you'd call it gamesmanship, bad sportsmanship or something even less unsavory. All this not wanting to let England have any practice against decent spin bowling before the tests and then the broadcasting problems with SKY, now the objection to certain players using the EPP it's all just a bit childish and cringewworthy. I could just imagine what you indians would be saying if the roles were reversed and this happened in England, next tour we'll let you only face spin, no swing in warm up matches, and no comms from India in stadium, imagine.

  • on December 3, 2012, 21:10 GMT

    I wonder where all of you English commentators were when your team lost the first test. They win one game and suddenly all these 'fans' crawl out. As for the article, it is the ECB that had to apologise to the BCCI and not the other way around so shh.

  • bumsonseats on December 3, 2012, 20:37 GMT

    theres county sides in england that would love friendly games during the county season for any A teams india care to send. but whatever you do dont be like a forgetful old uncle and forget to tell the ecb, so they can arrange the types of wicket. would you call it irony if we then produced spinning wickets.

  • bumsonseats on December 3, 2012, 20:25 GMT

    cpt have you not heard of phones an emails. then the size of your country does not matter.

  • bumsonseats on December 3, 2012, 20:19 GMT

    well if some of the same officials were on both boards why did the ones also on the BCCI council not pass it on. an if the BCCI knew about it before the english party left for india then why not inform england. talk about utter tosh.

  • richardror on December 3, 2012, 20:01 GMT

    I wonder how much money the BCCI will charge for this!!!!

  • SanjivAwesome on December 3, 2012, 19:34 GMT

    Some interesting posts. England have long doctored their green pitches - perhaps the ICC should be called to investigate why what is good for the goose is not good for the gander.

  • baduva on December 3, 2012, 19:29 GMT

    The BCCI may not be the perfect organisation but it seems to be getting a lot of stick because it is standing up for itself.

  • Dravid_Pujara_Gravitas on December 3, 2012, 18:38 GMT

    Very funny to see people moaning and whining though it's the ECB that didn't follow the rules here. What utter tripe! So, their players come here and don't follow the rules or trespass the rules and BCCI shouldn't seek an explanation??? Really??? Oh wow!! Asking them for explanation or demand that they follow the rules/protocols is akin to flexing muscles??? What inferiority complex you guys have!

  • JShells88 on December 3, 2012, 18:34 GMT

    HA! Typical childish BCCI, probably demanding to know why they haven't made any money yet from the tour!

  • steve19191 on December 3, 2012, 18:30 GMT

    Excellent...further confirmation if any was needed that ALL of India is running scared of the beating they are going to get from the poms.

    CanĀ“t wait for the next instalment from the biggest joke in cricket INDIA

  • on December 3, 2012, 18:29 GMT

    OH dear India have lost a Test at home have they?

  • hhillbumper on December 3, 2012, 18:20 GMT

    to all you Indian fans. Grow up. Look in the mirror and if anyone is doing their best to destroy cricket then look at yourselves.

  • Nutcutlet on December 3, 2012, 18:16 GMT

    The ECB should have realised that the paperwork should have been fully in order weeks before the EPP tour began: an elementary slip & a severe breach of protocol, which this tour, with all the politics running just underneath the surface, didn't need. I hope that someone has put his hand up! It is, however, interesting to note how prickly the BCCI are about the presence of Criag Keiswetter & Jos Buttler in the EPP set-up. Why should they be so concerned? Surely there is no bar to allowing players pre-tournament practice in India? Again, things are obviously done differently in India & truth to tell, there does seem to be a strong element of xenophobia within the hallowed precincts of the BCCI: bar foreign broadcasters, prevent the use of DRS; keep England away from meaningful practice in warm-up games; object to players netting prior to a tour. Is this, my friends, a way to win friends in the spirit of cricket? (And, before you mention it, I do not defend dozy Ian Bell!)

  • nursery_ender on December 3, 2012, 18:10 GMT

    The EPP tour was arranged months ago. How come BCCI have only just noticed that they hadn't approved it? Trouble making by them pure and simple.

  • PratUSA on December 3, 2012, 18:02 GMT

    India lost a test despite denying quality spin bowlers to England in warm-up matches. May be it's time to allow visiting teams getting practice for challenges ahead :).

  • Munkeymomo on December 3, 2012, 17:53 GMT

    @TheBengalTiger: Doubtful, it sounds like the BCCI are more concerned with Dr Patil. The ECB really don't do very much right, they remind me of a bumbling grandfather you have to apologize for wherever he goes, they don't mean any harm, they're just a bit useless and outdated. As a side matter, out of interest, why don't India send performance squads to tour England/Australia/South Africa? (Or do they?).

  • Smithie on December 3, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    Perhaps the BCCI could put more productive energy into planning and announcing the schedule for the Test series against Australia in Feb 2013 rather than creating this storm in a tea cup. How unprofessional if you are incapable of deciding a tour schedule with less than 3 months to go when other can go firm for 2014 !! Time for Mr Srinivasan and co to treat the game of cricket with the respect that it deserves. No DRS, pitch doctoring, restricting global coverage all do not reflect well on these individuals.

  • on December 3, 2012, 17:41 GMT

    You have to laugh at the BCCI, protocol not followed apology rightly due. But they are more concerned about certain English fringe players getting match time in Indian conditions, is the whole of India running scared of this England team?

  • CricketingStargazer on December 3, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    @samincolumbia Love the comment. Your way of making the whole affair look ridiculous is spot on. This is clearly a political ploy with the left hand claiming that not only does it not know what the right hand has been doing, but also that it has no control or influence over the right hand.

  • Cpt.Meanster on December 3, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    @pom_don: Such ignorance !! Your post is the superlative of just how ridiculous your views on Indian cricket are. For your information, half of the world DO NOT play in your county cricket any more except 1 or 2 individuals from a certain country. Some Australians and South Africans do play but Asian cricketers are far and few. Also, the BCCI don't send half of their members to attend every single presentation ceremony. If you didn't know about the geography of India, we have states like the USA. Each state has a cricket association with its own members, directors and chairmen. Perhaps some of those folks would have attended the ceremonies due to the game taking place at their grounds. Yes, BCCI officials do attend ceremonies but not all the time.

  • Selassie-I on December 3, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    Yes England should not have presumed that the loacl boards speak to the BCCI, but the local boards recieving the letter should surely inform the ECB of this? I'm presuming that, as per the article, the letter was not sent to the ECB?

    On another matter, is it the BCCI's policy now to try to not let anyone play in the subcontinent and just hope that they lose beacuse of unfamiliarity with the conditions? Openly berrate and criticise groundsmen when they don't get the exact pitch they order? maybe they should focus more on grassroots, and training cricketers who can perform in all conditions rather than just trying to stop other countries getting familiar with the conditions. This just lowers the quality of cricket that we see, it's the fans who lose out here.

  • on December 3, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    The fact they are making a fuss about this is simply not cricket - and also shows they're scared of being beaten by England.

  • ThatsGoodCricket on December 3, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Of course they should have the proper permissions. But if their presence is a cause for concern due to other reasons then I would suggest you can have well-prepared players playing good cricket against each other, or you can have unprepared players and risk having cricket of a lower quality. What's more sustainable for the game and enjoyable to the spectator?

    Players from all over the world come and play for English counties and it makes for better cricket. England maintain home advantage, but the opposition's skills are enhanced.

  • pom_don on December 3, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    BCCI flexing their muscles again, sounds a bit like they are chucking their dummy out of the pram, as for the EPP gaining a sneak preview of conditions etc. half the world plays in English county sides & should be well used to our conditions. The BCCI seem to have more chiefs than Indians (excuse the pun) you only have to look at the presentation parties at the end of a test half of the board seem to attend compared with other countries.

  • samincolumbia on December 3, 2012, 16:15 GMT

    ECB and the english players break every rule and spirit of the game of cricket when it suits them and then barges into the third umpire's room playing the victim card!

  • TheBengalTiger on December 3, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    Hopefully England wil be punished for breaching such protocol

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  • TheBengalTiger on December 3, 2012, 15:57 GMT

    Hopefully England wil be punished for breaching such protocol

  • samincolumbia on December 3, 2012, 16:15 GMT

    ECB and the english players break every rule and spirit of the game of cricket when it suits them and then barges into the third umpire's room playing the victim card!

  • pom_don on December 3, 2012, 16:20 GMT

    BCCI flexing their muscles again, sounds a bit like they are chucking their dummy out of the pram, as for the EPP gaining a sneak preview of conditions etc. half the world plays in English county sides & should be well used to our conditions. The BCCI seem to have more chiefs than Indians (excuse the pun) you only have to look at the presentation parties at the end of a test half of the board seem to attend compared with other countries.

  • ThatsGoodCricket on December 3, 2012, 16:26 GMT

    Of course they should have the proper permissions. But if their presence is a cause for concern due to other reasons then I would suggest you can have well-prepared players playing good cricket against each other, or you can have unprepared players and risk having cricket of a lower quality. What's more sustainable for the game and enjoyable to the spectator?

    Players from all over the world come and play for English counties and it makes for better cricket. England maintain home advantage, but the opposition's skills are enhanced.

  • on December 3, 2012, 16:36 GMT

    The fact they are making a fuss about this is simply not cricket - and also shows they're scared of being beaten by England.

  • Selassie-I on December 3, 2012, 16:49 GMT

    Yes England should not have presumed that the loacl boards speak to the BCCI, but the local boards recieving the letter should surely inform the ECB of this? I'm presuming that, as per the article, the letter was not sent to the ECB?

    On another matter, is it the BCCI's policy now to try to not let anyone play in the subcontinent and just hope that they lose beacuse of unfamiliarity with the conditions? Openly berrate and criticise groundsmen when they don't get the exact pitch they order? maybe they should focus more on grassroots, and training cricketers who can perform in all conditions rather than just trying to stop other countries getting familiar with the conditions. This just lowers the quality of cricket that we see, it's the fans who lose out here.

  • Cpt.Meanster on December 3, 2012, 16:57 GMT

    @pom_don: Such ignorance !! Your post is the superlative of just how ridiculous your views on Indian cricket are. For your information, half of the world DO NOT play in your county cricket any more except 1 or 2 individuals from a certain country. Some Australians and South Africans do play but Asian cricketers are far and few. Also, the BCCI don't send half of their members to attend every single presentation ceremony. If you didn't know about the geography of India, we have states like the USA. Each state has a cricket association with its own members, directors and chairmen. Perhaps some of those folks would have attended the ceremonies due to the game taking place at their grounds. Yes, BCCI officials do attend ceremonies but not all the time.

  • CricketingStargazer on December 3, 2012, 17:02 GMT

    @samincolumbia Love the comment. Your way of making the whole affair look ridiculous is spot on. This is clearly a political ploy with the left hand claiming that not only does it not know what the right hand has been doing, but also that it has no control or influence over the right hand.

  • on December 3, 2012, 17:41 GMT

    You have to laugh at the BCCI, protocol not followed apology rightly due. But they are more concerned about certain English fringe players getting match time in Indian conditions, is the whole of India running scared of this England team?

  • Smithie on December 3, 2012, 17:51 GMT

    Perhaps the BCCI could put more productive energy into planning and announcing the schedule for the Test series against Australia in Feb 2013 rather than creating this storm in a tea cup. How unprofessional if you are incapable of deciding a tour schedule with less than 3 months to go when other can go firm for 2014 !! Time for Mr Srinivasan and co to treat the game of cricket with the respect that it deserves. No DRS, pitch doctoring, restricting global coverage all do not reflect well on these individuals.