England v India, 3rd npower Test, Edgbaston, 3rd day August 12, 2011

Cook leaves India pummelled and pwned

It may be the internet age, but with Cook at the controls, England reverted to a tempo last seen in the steam-age as they subjected India to a resounding marmalisation
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There is a very 21st century term to describe what happened to India on the third day at Edgbaston. To use the jargon of the internet age, they were "pwned" - statistically, athletically, temperamentally, and comprehensively, as England chose the occasion of their coronation as the world's No. 1 side to subject their predecessors to one of the most resounding marmalisations in Test batting history.

According to urban legend, the verb "to pwn" was spawned by fat-fingered online gamers, who, in their haste to gloat at the demise of their opponents in some virtual-reality shoot-em-up, would regularly slap the 'p' key instead of the 'o' while typing the word "own". It's ironic, therefore, that for the best part of 13 hours, England's progress was dictated by a player who didn't produce a single twitchy key-stroke until, with a slice of immortality at his fingertips, he pulled the trigger too soon to a long-hop from Ishant Sharma, and toe-ended a looping chance to deep backward point.

It may be the internet age, but with Cook at the controls, England reverted to a tempo last seen in the steam-age. When he's not rewriting English batting records, Cook the part-time farm-hand can often be found steering a tractor through country lanes in Wiltshire, and next time he's back there, the squelch of the mud beneath his tyres may well bring to mind the squelch of India's resolve beneath his every prod and nurdle.

Not since Len Hutton powered England to a legendary 903 for 7 in 1938, had the team posted so much as 700 in a single innings. Today Cook's modus operandi had little in common with the slash-and-burn nature of modern batsmanship, but rather brought to mind the sepia-tinged Englishmen whose Test-bests he ticked off along the way.

Geoffrey Boycott's 246 not out against India in 1967 fell by the wayside before tea, as did Dennis Amiss's 262 not out at Kingston seven years later - an effort that earned him the nickname "Sacker", because his knackered and sweaty carcass looked like a "sack of s**t" as he slumped back down in the dressing room. Cook, by stunning contrast, looked as fresh as a choirboy from first ball to last. As he memorably declared during his epic Ashes series, he does not sweat much, and though he admitted to feeling "heavy-legged" at the close of the second day, his disappointment at spurning a triple-ton outweighed any remote feelings of weariness at the end of the third.

"It's mad, isn't it, how you can still be disappointed when you score 290-odd?" Cook said. "I suppose only cricket can do that to you. There's a tinge of disappointment, but if I'm being realistic, I'm absolutely thrilled. It's taken almost 13 hours of hard work to get the opportunity [to make 300]. When you don't make it, you're going to have a little bit of disappointment. But you've got to look at it properly, and the fact that I actually scored 294 runs rather than the six I didn't get."

Up in the press box, opinions were divided. Shane Warne, ever the antagonist, declared on Twitter that the day was "officially the worst" he'd ever witnessed, and granted, a mid-afternoon fiasco involving bad light and a power cut did not help the image of the contest. But those who quibbled about the tempo of England's performance ignored the fact that India had dug their own grave. In little more than two sessions on the first day, they surrendered first use of what proved, very quickly, to be a totally blameless wicket, and therefore lost any right to dictate the terms of the action.

After all, it wasn't until the mid-afternoon drinks break, with England coasting towards a lead of 350, that the halfway point of the contest was reached. Bat once, bat deep, were the orders, and Cook and his cohorts obliged. "There were no time restraints. We just wanted to get as big a score as we could, and I think 700 is a pretty decent effort," Cook said. "When you bowl a side out in two sessions, you can bat as long as you want. We knew the wicket wasn't going to get any better, and we wanted to make the most of that by batting when it was at its best."

After a ding-dong pair of contests at Lord's and Trent Bridge, in which India clearly had their chances but were denied the right to capitalise, this Edgbaston bout is becoming the sort of mismatch not seen in England-India contests since England themselves were pummelled from pillar to post on their woeful tour of 1992-93. Back then, a single massive innings in each of the three Tests, from Mohammad Azharuddin, Vinod Kambli and Sachin Tendulkar, was sufficient to crush a team that arrived with airs of grandeur but departed with prawn curry on their faces.

That grandeur was in part set up by the events of the previous series between the two teams, in England in 1990, for which Cook's day-long pursuit of Graham Gooch's 333 established clear parallels. As seemed the case throughout that series, India's attack on this occasion looked popgun at best. After his brief burst of wickets at Lord's, for instance, Ishant Sharma looked about as threatening as his 1990 namesake Sanjeev, whose medium pacers were never again seen after Gooch had had his say.

Amit Mishra, meanwhile, may one day enjoy a day to rival that of Narendra Hirwani, who claimed 16 West Indian wickets on debut in 1988 but was plundered at nearly four an over in that same Gooch-dominated contest. The point is, this England team has the ability - like the Australians of recent vintage - to make sides look a lot worse than they probably are. The acid test for their credentials won't arrive until they are tested by a chastened opposition in the return series in two winters' time, but on a day when Virender Sehwag's contribution to the contest read like a sick joke, Cook and England's old-school virtues looked timeless in every respect.

A measure of their gargantuan appetite is England's current tally of double-centuries - six in the past 14 months alone, compared to eight in the previous 21 years, and 50 all told in their entire Test history. The influence of Gooch is tangible in that respect, as Cook reiterated, after his pursuit of a "grand-daddy" hundred had fallen six runs short.

"He was 'quite' happy," Cook said. "He's quite proud, but I'm sure he'll be throwing [balls] at me in the morning - put an innings to bed, and move on. That's why you do the fitness work, to allow you to do it, and then the mental concentration is something you pick up over time. With Gooch on board, we never have enough. That ethos has really rubbed off on everyone, and we've all bought into it." Pwned indeed. Even in this age of instant gratification, there's a place for a bit of old-fashioned grind.

Andrew Miller is UK editor of ESPNcricinfo

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  • on August 13, 2011, 14:37 GMT

    Yeeeeeeee! Hah! England finally there, quite the team eh! and doing it in the final game without one of the top three batsman in the world. After all the attacks on England and its county style preparation for test teams, seems we have got it right. What is obvious that t20 does not a proper cricketer make. Cricket, real cricket is about patience endurance and tenacity, all chronically missing from the IPL Show Ponies. So much money rots the brain and technique. The sense of disbelief in Laxman's face says it all. These guys have been given the holywood makeover but they don't teach technique in PR Cricket. And the worst thing was is that me and my mates turned the radio off yesterday as India just gave up the fight....... Come on guys, you have more talent than ENgland had back in the early 90's and we still supported them. Get back to doing the simple things well and don't give up if it doesn't go your way at the beginning...... GO TEAM ENGLAND!

  • lefty84 on August 13, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    @aracer - your arguements are contradictory. If you call India incapable of performing better n Aus based on past performances and this series, it's equally logical to call that Eng won't perform well in India or SL as they too haven't achieved anything worth mentioning in sub continent. And though this Eng team has performed well since 2009 look back and you'll find that all their romping victories have been at home barring win in Aus.

    Ind had fared much better in Aus against stronger Aussie attack in last tour. Eng were swept off 5-0 by the same mighty Aussies in 2007. And india's tour to Eng is more than year away and u r assumption that India won't find newer players to take up mantle is just amateur. And we've got enough talent pool and will not have necessity to look at SA to import talent.

    Your team has played good cricket and cherish the moment but don't degrade the Indian team or it'd players just based on this result.

  • on August 13, 2011, 14:15 GMT

    You know what could be ironic.. and probably true as well soon. Is that Andy Flower could well be the future Indian coach after Fletcher.I think India need a younger coach like Gary kirsten was..

  • Amsyrocker on August 13, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    No doubt batting is a complete failure for Ind, like an associate team they are able to touch around 200-250. What is Raina doing in the team ? Still, the biggest worry remains bowling, look at Srisanth..the guy has been in international cricket for 6-7 years. I don't understand why he keeps coming back.. he leaked runs terribly in the two matches in world cup, he is inconsistent. The only thing we keep on reading is he helped India win a test in S.A. some 4 years back and he got a lifetime license in team.. Face the fact, because inform Zaheer and Bhajji Ind has looked a decent bowling unit, now the old Indian story of lack of penetrative speed bowling continues...God help India and the selectors who now should show faith in new bowlers.. result won't change anyways for some time.

  • JustOUT on August 13, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    @indiawillrise - india will rise only in IPL. BYE BYE IN TESTS

  • splash104 on August 13, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    India has come to know that they are ONLY champions on their own soil. The carnage England has done against them shows actually they never deserved to be at the number one spot. Well played englishmen!

  • on August 13, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    ha ...!!! they are the world champions ...uuhh..!!! who will say this ..and also a number 1 test team....they are playing under 16 cricket even under 16 can play better than this....

  • NSR1 on August 13, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    This is probably going to sound like senseless rambling...but I can't help it because I can't be articulate when I'm so disappointed and angry.

    We knew England had the edge in this series....but such dismal performance by India. I wouldn't expect it even from a B team. No fight, no hunger just whiling their time away....

    It's high time to let a new team come on and build from scratch...give some rest to this Indian brigade...after all they've been complaining of not getting enough rest. Give them what they want...rest them for a few series...that will also put them in their place...The team seem totally indifferent...and Dhoni...given that he was not a great batsman or a keeper, the only thing that he had going for him was his imaginative captaincy and his resolve to fight and inspire the team....now that he's not able to do that, its high time that he's sent back to the academy..Nasser and other commentators have pointed out what's wrong with his keeping...let him go back to school

  • nandanLeo on August 13, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    Yes India has been totally outclassed in this series in all the facets of the game. This is one of the worst Indian performance that I have witnessed in the recent past. Its hard to believe this is the same Indian team which held south africa to 1-1 in the series concluded before the world cup. The notion that Indian struggle against trying conditions is all non sense... in fact such conditions give teeth to the indian bowlers who lack pace. I hold the BCCI and IPL responsible for this. BCCI is a greedy, arrogant organization working in its self interest and against the interests of the game. On a postive note India A is doing well in Emerging Players tournament in Australia ...we have a lot of exciting young talent coming through..its time the ageing players retire to make way for the new talent.

  • SDHM on August 13, 2011, 12:50 GMT

    Kiran - if this is the B side going to number one, then are they better than the A side?

  • on August 13, 2011, 14:37 GMT

    Yeeeeeeee! Hah! England finally there, quite the team eh! and doing it in the final game without one of the top three batsman in the world. After all the attacks on England and its county style preparation for test teams, seems we have got it right. What is obvious that t20 does not a proper cricketer make. Cricket, real cricket is about patience endurance and tenacity, all chronically missing from the IPL Show Ponies. So much money rots the brain and technique. The sense of disbelief in Laxman's face says it all. These guys have been given the holywood makeover but they don't teach technique in PR Cricket. And the worst thing was is that me and my mates turned the radio off yesterday as India just gave up the fight....... Come on guys, you have more talent than ENgland had back in the early 90's and we still supported them. Get back to doing the simple things well and don't give up if it doesn't go your way at the beginning...... GO TEAM ENGLAND!

  • lefty84 on August 13, 2011, 14:28 GMT

    @aracer - your arguements are contradictory. If you call India incapable of performing better n Aus based on past performances and this series, it's equally logical to call that Eng won't perform well in India or SL as they too haven't achieved anything worth mentioning in sub continent. And though this Eng team has performed well since 2009 look back and you'll find that all their romping victories have been at home barring win in Aus.

    Ind had fared much better in Aus against stronger Aussie attack in last tour. Eng were swept off 5-0 by the same mighty Aussies in 2007. And india's tour to Eng is more than year away and u r assumption that India won't find newer players to take up mantle is just amateur. And we've got enough talent pool and will not have necessity to look at SA to import talent.

    Your team has played good cricket and cherish the moment but don't degrade the Indian team or it'd players just based on this result.

  • on August 13, 2011, 14:15 GMT

    You know what could be ironic.. and probably true as well soon. Is that Andy Flower could well be the future Indian coach after Fletcher.I think India need a younger coach like Gary kirsten was..

  • Amsyrocker on August 13, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    No doubt batting is a complete failure for Ind, like an associate team they are able to touch around 200-250. What is Raina doing in the team ? Still, the biggest worry remains bowling, look at Srisanth..the guy has been in international cricket for 6-7 years. I don't understand why he keeps coming back.. he leaked runs terribly in the two matches in world cup, he is inconsistent. The only thing we keep on reading is he helped India win a test in S.A. some 4 years back and he got a lifetime license in team.. Face the fact, because inform Zaheer and Bhajji Ind has looked a decent bowling unit, now the old Indian story of lack of penetrative speed bowling continues...God help India and the selectors who now should show faith in new bowlers.. result won't change anyways for some time.

  • JustOUT on August 13, 2011, 14:04 GMT

    @indiawillrise - india will rise only in IPL. BYE BYE IN TESTS

  • splash104 on August 13, 2011, 14:02 GMT

    India has come to know that they are ONLY champions on their own soil. The carnage England has done against them shows actually they never deserved to be at the number one spot. Well played englishmen!

  • on August 13, 2011, 14:01 GMT

    ha ...!!! they are the world champions ...uuhh..!!! who will say this ..and also a number 1 test team....they are playing under 16 cricket even under 16 can play better than this....

  • NSR1 on August 13, 2011, 13:14 GMT

    This is probably going to sound like senseless rambling...but I can't help it because I can't be articulate when I'm so disappointed and angry.

    We knew England had the edge in this series....but such dismal performance by India. I wouldn't expect it even from a B team. No fight, no hunger just whiling their time away....

    It's high time to let a new team come on and build from scratch...give some rest to this Indian brigade...after all they've been complaining of not getting enough rest. Give them what they want...rest them for a few series...that will also put them in their place...The team seem totally indifferent...and Dhoni...given that he was not a great batsman or a keeper, the only thing that he had going for him was his imaginative captaincy and his resolve to fight and inspire the team....now that he's not able to do that, its high time that he's sent back to the academy..Nasser and other commentators have pointed out what's wrong with his keeping...let him go back to school

  • nandanLeo on August 13, 2011, 13:02 GMT

    Yes India has been totally outclassed in this series in all the facets of the game. This is one of the worst Indian performance that I have witnessed in the recent past. Its hard to believe this is the same Indian team which held south africa to 1-1 in the series concluded before the world cup. The notion that Indian struggle against trying conditions is all non sense... in fact such conditions give teeth to the indian bowlers who lack pace. I hold the BCCI and IPL responsible for this. BCCI is a greedy, arrogant organization working in its self interest and against the interests of the game. On a postive note India A is doing well in Emerging Players tournament in Australia ...we have a lot of exciting young talent coming through..its time the ageing players retire to make way for the new talent.

  • SDHM on August 13, 2011, 12:50 GMT

    Kiran - if this is the B side going to number one, then are they better than the A side?

  • aracer on August 13, 2011, 12:48 GMT

    @lefty84 - I argue that India can't play better in Aus based on past performances and the way they're playing right now. On the same basis England ought to come to India and win. I assume India won't have replacements for the big 3 because there's no evidence that they do - assuming that losing them won't make any difference is delusional (BCCI lacking any succession policy is amateur). "Removing the common results against b'desh & SA, India has fared far better away than Eng." - I presume that's also removing England's result in Aus?

  • on August 13, 2011, 12:44 GMT

    As a true, die hard Indian fan, I never felt India to be a numero uno Test side. I know one should support their team through thick & thin, but with the kinda bowlers that we possess we can never be the best in business. And if anybody says Zaheer Khan is a quality bowler n would've made a difference, knows sure as hell deep in their hearts that he simply wouldn't have!! Whats his pace, his fitness et al??? The less I talk about Praveen, Harbajan(ROFL), I sharma, Misra (LOL) & Co the better. The performance of these so called international bowlers brings in a tinge of apathy to the batters and why wouldn't it reflect onto their performances???? This has been the case with Sachin's loads & loads of runs to have garnered low level importance!! Just imagine a Ponting, a Lara or a Kallis to have played for India - never sure, would they be what they are today. Coming back to this Test series, lets give credit where its due. England are playing their best and ranking Test sides is a joke!!!

  • on August 13, 2011, 12:35 GMT

    The first thing the selectors should do is to drop all medium pacers who bowls below 140 kph. Also the BCCI should start preparing bouncy and fast pitches so that they could get a measure of the class of the batsmen playing in these pithches.

  • jahman on August 13, 2011, 12:34 GMT

    This is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where are all the boasting, self-righteous Indian supporters now. I remember their disdain and derogatory remarks when they played the West Indies. How they sent a second team to the West Indies because they wanted to "rest" players for the more important England tests. Well now you have them, what say you?

  • rayfanatics on August 13, 2011, 12:32 GMT

    There seems to be one too many comments from Pakistan cricket fans who from the content of their comments don't even look like having anything to do with Indian cricket fandom. Keep the comment related to the article or series instead of being schadenfreude in nature. For Indian fans, one series does not make a bad team. Standing behind whom we support passionately, even in the darkest of times is the right thing to do. Cheers

  • rayfanatics on August 13, 2011, 12:26 GMT

    Congrats to the England team for their utterly dominant performance. They have outplayed India in every form. I am a die hard Indian cricket fan and have to take this on the chin and move on. However some comments on our batsmen being flat track bullies is unfair. You cannot undermine the performances of these greats on the basis of one series. On the issue of England doing well in the subcontinent, I think they have the team now to do well in most places. But as India found out, sustaining is harder than reaching there.

  • Hindh on August 13, 2011, 12:16 GMT

    If after this performance if indians stop watching cricket cricket economy will be destroyed. So it is impt for the team to come back. This series is an anomaly for India and they will surely perform well in future.

  • sanjaykn on August 13, 2011, 11:45 GMT

    Worst indian bowling ever! Absolutely no penetration! And with batting ailing this will be a total white wash and a humiliation difficult to follow for die hard indian fans!

  • sanjaykn on August 13, 2011, 11:31 GMT

    It is alright! It happens even to the best! Mostly you can see this in football world cups italy crashing out in the first round, france,argentina. you have to come back strong. Iron out your deficiencies! After Ashes 2005 english were walloped down under 5-0, haven't they come stronger after the debacle? Dint india win world cup after 2007 flop? In fact they have done very well!

    Let us all pray that the little master gets his 100 th ton amidst this chaos! peace sanjay

  • on August 13, 2011, 11:13 GMT

    This series is another example of a cricketing nation (India) who have relied for too long on a few good players: Zaheer, Tendulkar, Harbhajan etc.

    After the WI v England series of 2000, we had the pathetic spectacle of the WICB pleading with Ambrose and Walsh to stay in the team after they had lost the series to England..! The WICB were living in denial and now look at where they are in the world rankings...

    England have got what India haven't - depth to their team - if one bowler goes injured another equally good one steps in (Bresnan for Tremlett) and if one batsman goes cheaply another makes a ton. Thats what will make a world-dominant team.

    After the 2010/11 Ashes series, India supporters were saying "England will come face to face with reality, when they play India in the Summer test series" - well now they have and its India who are having to face reality!

    Perhaps it will be different when England play India in India - maybe it won't.. we'll wait and see about that.

  • on August 13, 2011, 11:03 GMT

    the south african b team has to do well.

  • 200ondebut on August 13, 2011, 11:01 GMT

    India players need to show some fight. If their fans want to see what the future holds, look at Australia - another great side that got old and retired all at once.

    Regarding this series one word sums it up - outplayed. Both sides batted and bowled on the same pitches. India also had the advantage of winning the toss in the first two matches.

    However, what goes around comes around. India should't get too disheartened and England not too cocky.

  • on August 13, 2011, 10:47 GMT

    An england 2nd 11 would beat this Indian team. 1 Carberry, 2 Key (c), 3 Taylor, 4 Hildreath, 5 Bopara, 6 Baristow (wk), 7 Patel, 8 Woaks, 9 Tremlett, 10 Finn, 11 Monty

  • on August 13, 2011, 10:36 GMT

    CHAK DE OOOOOOOOOOOOO CHAK DE ENGLAND!!!!!!!! Haha so called numer 1 team was shown the clear picture of whr they stand lol most over rated n over hyped team with out any doubt is INDIA!!!

  • PTtheAxis on August 13, 2011, 10:21 GMT

    whose great idea was it to go with 4 bowlers when it was clear they couldn't get the opposition out. dhoni i am sure. there is no intent to win. just sheer indifference. a tolerable quaility in india.

  • on August 13, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    India will only deserve the number one tag of they defeat strong opponents like S.Africa, England and Australia at their home. This has not happened till now after we have become number one. On the other hand England needs to play well against Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka away from home in order to stay on that No.1 tag. The tag crown is still undecided, there are 4 teams fighting for it, and I am sure we will have many shifts in crown in the coming years. This competition in the bext few years is going to be a fascinating one I am sure.

  • Tom_Bowler on August 13, 2011, 10:03 GMT

    "England can't play quality spin"; tosh in and of itself but where is this quality Indian spin? I doubt the England players are currently having nightmares over Amit Mishra with his inability to keep behind the line off a two pace run up. Maybe it's the mighty Bhaji we're supposed to worry about, the chap with the "stomach injury" that left him able to dive in the field and swing the bat but prevented him bowling any more of the non turning filth that was being plastered all over Trent Bridge. India's spin bowling looks no healthier than the rest of Indian cricket and as we've seen in this series that means it's a sorry, sorry mess.

  • Ooops on August 13, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    If selector can call dravid, Agarkar would have been better option then R.P Singh

  • SDHM on August 13, 2011, 9:53 GMT

    Vishal - we beat Bangladesh 2-0 last time we went down there...

  • rraheel on August 13, 2011, 9:52 GMT

    @ Mushadique Osman India have not lost a test series in last 3 years.India have won their last test series in england (1-0), NZ(1-0,)& WI(1-0).Last year they have drawn test series in S.Africa(1-1) & srilanka(1-1).So check records before making a comment

  • rraheel on August 13, 2011, 9:34 GMT

    @Mushadique Osman India have not lost a series in last 3 years & They have won their last series in Eng(1-0 , Nz(1-0) & WI (1-0), drawn their last series in S.africa (1-1) & SL(1-1). So first check the stats & then comment.

  • Aura123 on August 13, 2011, 9:27 GMT

    Pakistan team doing 1 week camp in lahore to prepare test series against weak Zimbabwe, all the Pakistani players left their counties and joined the camp. Indian players flown from different places singing "we are superstar, we are" to play the one of the best test cricket team in the world England.

  • darcharges on August 13, 2011, 9:24 GMT

    well well i will accept india as no 1 in the world only if they can save this test match.people were thinking about the presence of sehwag in this test match n look wat had happened. as we all know sehwag is one of the destructive batsmen in the world cricket but he need to realize that his wicket is precious too as like dravid's. a man travelling around 4000 miles only to play 2 balls in 2 innings is really shameful.england are on peak stage. without zaheer dis bowling attack is looking like a ship without captain.

  • popnlock on August 13, 2011, 9:22 GMT

    hehehe INDIAN commentators like harsha ravi gavaskar and ganguly are so biased that dint even accept the fact that england has blasted them with top performance, they dint even give any credit to cook for grinding them, literally indian team was crying pleaqding and begging to cook to get tired even, hahahahaha he really showed them what they are and what they deserve...

  • krici_lover on August 13, 2011, 9:20 GMT

    @Suvasurjaya, what a hypocracy and double standards. In which book it is writtent that only bouncy pitch, overcast conditions are the perfect environment of cricket, while hot weather is not and batsman friendly pitches are not. Best team is the one that performs well across formats and across conditions. Definitly india in not in that league but nor does fit the bill. Few months back they lost to bangladesh and ireland in world cup.

  • on August 13, 2011, 9:09 GMT

    The asian subcontinent players have always suffered on bouncy tracks. But what the hell , when a player is playing at such a level he should be able to correct his shortcomings otherwise he should be called a regional player and not a world class player.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on August 13, 2011, 9:05 GMT

    @ suvasurjya: Now what do you mean by real cricketing environment? 35 degrees and turning tracks are not, and 20 degrees and fast tracks are,how??? each country has a different type of structure and players have to perform in that..i never buy this flat track and fast track concept....if someone can play pace he should play spin also...and vice versa...it is just that players are more acclimatized to their climate and pitches..that's it...if players like sehwag/raina/dhoni be called flat track bullies..what do you call may greats from auss/eng/sa who have poor records in subcontinent, fast track bullies? :lol:

  • danmcb on August 13, 2011, 9:04 GMT

    pwned alright. I am thinking India will put up more fight today though - I think they have bottomed out. I think it will take all of today and a part of tomorrow to get them out. Expect Dravid, Gambhir and Laxman to play a big part in this - Tendu looks out of sorts.

  • Full-Blooded-Wallop on August 13, 2011, 8:59 GMT

    @nair: Yes, dhoni should be the shown the door as a captain.First series loss, and he should be sacked. Thank god, people like you are not at the helm of affairs :|

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:56 GMT

    @Vishal Sidana Are you serious dude!!! We are getting thrashed like yesterday's garbage and you still are being positive!!! Appreciate your optimism!!!

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:55 GMT

    @AKvRockzz. Very strange to hear an Indian fan say that another side will not travel well. We will see how you fare at home against this side. Not sure your team will resemble the one playing now. As for us having no chance without Swan, for years I used to hear people say that Aus would be nothing without Warne and McGrath. Wake up! They had Warne and McGrath and we have Swan. We would also have no chance if we had to wear blindfolds but it is not very relevant.

    The bottom line is that India have never been a very convincing No1. The results in England are not a surprise. The bookies rarely get things wrong and had Eng as hot favourites before a ball was bowled.

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:51 GMT

    @Vishal Sidana- "But believe u me fully fit India can thrash England anywhere in world anytime and every English fan knows it" wow really? I am an Australian fan and wondering why India couldn't even hold number one spot for more than a year and a half? Is that because this was the first time they'd faced a decent side outside the sub-continent during that time? Good luck in Australia buddy India are going to need every bit of it..

  • ramtajogi152 on August 13, 2011, 8:50 GMT

    @VishalSadana: Good point mate. Can this English side bat on turning tracks ? Can Swanne pwn Indian batsmen. To me Swanne is an ordinary bowler.

  • popcorn on August 13, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Alastair Cook deserved 300.The shot that he got out to,could only arttibuted to a momentary lapse in concentration.After 12 hours of solidity,even a Yoga or Zen Master could have this lapse. Well done, Cookie! You'll definitely win the Test Player of the Year Award.

  • ramtajogi152 on August 13, 2011, 8:48 GMT

    Most of the comments are biased. It is only the conditions which has done India here. Can England tour India now and win a series ? Does that make England#1 ? Useless, mindless people writing about what has been a series which has been dominated by England.

  • ian_ghose on August 13, 2011, 8:47 GMT

    @landl47 - I remember your comment after the 1st test that England won by 190-odd runs, when all the Indian fanboys were shouting that India will come back in the 2nd test as they 'usually do'. You said, that the 190-odd loss might be as good as it gets for India in the series. Believe it or not, I actually agreed with you back then...and you are well on your way to being vindicated! Well played Cook and England!!

  • bMike on August 13, 2011, 8:43 GMT

    The only way current Indian test team can keep their no 1 position is playing all the test matches in India( As they won the world cup after playing all the matches in India) & most of the Indian players get injuries even when they hear that they are going to play outside India lol

  • Pritt32 on August 13, 2011, 8:37 GMT

    It is a real shame the contest remained one sided, as we would expect competiveness cricket. India's team arrogance contributed to their downfall. The IPL and Bollywood nonsense and World cup success completely diverted the focus of the team. The unnecessary injuries would never happen at all. It would have been a different situation if there was no IPL this season at all. England is heading to another big win against a de-motivated and weak Indian team. By today or tomorrow, the England team will be crowned no 1 test team and a deserved series win. I cannot see India surviving for two days, as the team lost the hunger to fight back and their batmen are in very poor form, apart from Dravid. England cricket is about delivering quality and substance, whereas Indian cricket is over-hyped and lacking depth and quality. The priorities and focus of the England team are spot on and they deserve their success, whereas it is a reality check for the Indian team.

  • CricketingStargazer on August 13, 2011, 8:36 GMT

    Vishal Sadana, interesting comment, which presumably explains why England have won moe series in India and by bigger margins than India have in England. In fact, the last 3 series that England have played in India have been very tight, India did NOT win all of them and none of the series was won by more than a single match. In fact, in the shared series, England had to call up and play no less than 6 injury replacements and still came back to win the 3rd Test after threatening to win the 2nd too. Incidentally, England have won every single Test that they have played against Bangladesh, a record that India cannot match.

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    Well why should our "famed" players bother if they get beaten black and blue - they are the "worlds best team" (not for long) and they dont care if they lose that status or not - IPL with all the money is theirs for the asking and dont forget about the endoresments - after all they make more money than the poor english players who play for the Queen and Country

  • sachin_vvsfan on August 13, 2011, 8:27 GMT

    I know most of my fellow indians might come up with some excuses like poor fielding, dropped catches but the fact is ENG deserves to be num 1 PERIOD.

  • sabee66 on August 13, 2011, 8:24 GMT

    well said vichan, impressive figures

  • Yabba on August 13, 2011, 8:11 GMT

    For those Indian fans going on about England losing in Bangladesh in the World Cup - I take it they did see the Test & ODI series both there & in England last year when England thrashed Bangladesh? The way India are playing at the moment, I'd back Bangladesh to easily beat this woeful India team...

    If India aren't fully prepared for this series - whose fault is that? Nobody's but India. England are a better team than India. It has been proved that India have a one-man bowling attack and their much vaunted batsmen can only score big runs on the flat dead wickets of the sub-continent. Give them a bit of pace & bounce and they cannot handle it...

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:10 GMT

    If Cook can score 294, it shows what hardwork and application can achieve, even if you are born with average talent, and a repertoire of a few strokes.

  • czzling on August 13, 2011, 8:09 GMT

    Not bothered too much. watching India emerging players now. Indians are not very good champions but Sehwag will change it. English will come to India n lanka on spinning cobras and will see why they are not even close to being champs. Geoffrey will eat his words and all of a sudden India will look good. Only champs were Aussies n WI. Besides this English side has 6 RSA players...lool

  • Mitsui on August 13, 2011, 8:08 GMT

    Atleast SL passed 400 twice, 300 twice and lost the series 1-0 because of one horrendous session. Mind you we had to play in more difficult conditions which suited English bowlers like Jimmy Anderson. We too had inexperienced bowlers. Yet SOME Indian fans failed to realize how strong England is and mocked SL. Now India is getting trashed all around the park by England. When we blamed IPL for Sanga and Mahela failing to adjust, most fans mocked us. Now 3/4 of the forum is about IPL hate by Indian fans. As a Sri Lankan I was ecstatic when england trashed India in the first 2 tests because it finally brought SOME Indian fans who mocked SL back to earth. Now you realize that India is not invincible as you think. But now I feel sorry for India. After all, they are our brotherhood country like Pakistan and Bangladesh. Now I want India to fightback and show the spirit they showed against us and SA when they were 1-0 down. Go India make Asia proud and try to hold on to the top spot.

  • on August 13, 2011, 8:03 GMT

    Yes England performed well and Indians are performing bad.But people say that India cannot be called No.1 until they win in England so i am saying the same they haven't won any match in SL in Pak and in India they have weakness against Spin in Spinning track.So if they win aganist India in England and lose against India in India

  • bolo_india on August 13, 2011, 8:00 GMT

    @vijujack Very apt comment. BCCI in its money making spree has forgotten how to do planning for test tour and with their idiotic gag orders, they are not letting player speak out the problems to them as well as media! Sad state of Indian cricket is largely due to BCCI and its so-called expert administrators!

  • jkaussie on August 13, 2011, 7:54 GMT

    Sehwag...king pair. Once again, flat track, sub-continent, weak attack bully GIFTED triple hundreds by his board refusing to play elsewhere...karma buddy, karma!

  • on August 13, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    The only way india has come to the top is by playing in India and countless number of tests against Sri Lanka!!!!

  • Aussasinator on August 13, 2011, 7:50 GMT

    I would be shocked and take to another profession too if Tendulkar saves this test! My bet is India will not cross 200! Any takers?

  • nair_ottappalam on August 13, 2011, 7:46 GMT

    I think we should congratulate Indian bowling rather than English batting for this huge score scored by England. The man who has taken more catches in test cricket dropped two simple chances which allowed a very unorthodox Morgan to score a hundred. What was Sehwag upto? Did he wanted to wipe off the deficit in the first over itself? How often does an opening batsman score golden pairs? None apart from PK looked like bowling at this level. And the claim to be Numero Uno is really shameful. No replacement for Zaheer in the bowling department. Dravid single handedly holding the batting. Dravid may retire any time now. And so may Sachin. No real replacments for these legends. Laxman wanted to reach back home at the earliest it seems. Probably tired of batting. Dhoni should be shown the door as captain.

  • on August 13, 2011, 7:40 GMT

    England cant even defeat Bangladesh in Bangladesh and forget about beating India in India.Its just India won the World cup and they are still in that frenzy.But believe u me fully fit India can thrash England anywhere in world anytime and every English fan knows it.

  • ravikb on August 13, 2011, 7:20 GMT

    I would be in shock of my life if Tendulkar saves this test match.

  • on August 13, 2011, 7:15 GMT

    Team Indifferent have been living on the donuts of IPL and now has terminal cricketing diabetes.

  • on August 13, 2011, 6:56 GMT

    well India won the world cup... but how???? the weather wasnt suitable for cricket(around 35 degree c.) pithes were not well prepared... so india, srilanka, pakistan played well. but if u put this india in real cricketing environment.. then even west indies can give india a good lesson. india's weak points: 1. batsmen cant play fast and bouncy balls 2. bowlers cant ball fast 3. cant cope with foreign weather 4. they depend too much on tendulkar but tendulkar never ever can play under pressure.

  • vijujack on August 13, 2011, 6:55 GMT

    What begs the question is WHO DECLARED ZAHEER FIT FOR THE 1st TEST? HARBHAJAN FOR 2 TESTS? AND SEHWAG IN THIS TEST? Are the senior players powerful enough the declare themselves fit and put the nation's pride at risk? Who in their right mind will not have RP Singh flown earlier? What did Mishra do that Munaf could not? If PK can swing the ball prodigously Munaf cannot be far behind. Dhoni did not capitalise by standing way back & the English batsman way forward. Tendulkar wasted in 3rd for so long in the day and one wonders whether Dhoni has lost the plot. For an important series, shambolic preparations and a dour coach does not help. Why were the potential replacements in England playing county cricket or atleast club matches in England acclimatising to the conditions. We had two pacers leading the attack, supposedly, and giving away almost 300 runs, which Indian team has not managed in 11 innings. Almost every over from these two had a boundary and hardly any threat that PK managed.

  • vichan on August 13, 2011, 6:54 GMT

    @ Ak Rockzz "You guys can never win against srilanka in srilanka or pakistan in pakistan": Hmm, I'm not saying England's record is either of these two countries is exemplary. However they have won 3 Tests in Sri Lanka to Sri Lanka's 5 - not a huge difference. As for their record in Pakistan, they have won 2 Tests there to Pakistan's 4 - again not a huge difference. For comparison India have won 4 and lost 6 in Sri Lanka, and won 2 and lost 7 in Pakistan. So arguably England have a BETTER record in Sri Lanka and Pakistan than India... And England's record in India is hardly disgraceful - 11 wins to 14 losses. MUCH better than India's record in England - 5 wins to 25 defeats (26 soon...)

  • ChrisCole43 on August 13, 2011, 6:50 GMT

    Some of the comments on here defy logic. Like if Ind lose in Eng then they should still be regarded as Nr 1 because Eng haven't won in Ind yet. Mmmm, Ind lose away so result doesn't count - pathetic.

  • on August 13, 2011, 6:42 GMT

    @a1234s we're without tremlett (who has been our best bowler since Aus) and we're missing trott. and we're STILL smashing you all round the park. Our bench strength is strong, that's the sign of a top side. I'm sick of people saying "we don't have Zaheer", because the whole point of being a top side is that if someone gets injured you have a suitable replacement! Look at Aus, when Warne was out they had MacGill, When Lee/McGrath was out they had Kasprowicz, when Langer/hayden was out they had Phil Jacques, when Ponting/Martyn were out they had Hodge. Same goes for the great WI side, look at how many world class seamers they had to turn to! Roberts, Garner, Ambrose, Marshall, Holding, Walsh, Croft, Bishop, Patterson, etc. You have to have flexibility if someone gets injured.

  • flavamonkey on August 13, 2011, 6:35 GMT

    I say India just go out throw their bats around IPL style (which is what they are probably good at right now), make 150--200 in 20--25 overs and get all out. This way they will have some fun, get extra rest and can prepare for the Oval. No point Dravid grinding it out until tea and everyone fall around him trying to defend for a total of 250, looking pathetic.

  • on August 13, 2011, 6:34 GMT

    Tendulkar to score his first triple century! fingers crossed.

  • nicetunes on August 13, 2011, 6:30 GMT

    Most of the Indian team is overweight and under prepared. Why did so many seniors skip WI tour? I cannot think of one player who was not fit for IPL, including Zaheer Khan. I cannot think of the last time, Zaheer finished an away tour. Fitness standards are very low in Indian team. After IPL, money, billionaires and Bollywood behind the cricket.. true cricket is no more in India. They have not produced a fast bowler in decades who can bowl consistently 140 plus kmh. BCCI has never tried to import one of the such bowler from some of the other test playing countries and give them the citizenship and all the monetarily needs. Why was Tendulkar skip WI tour and arrived in England during Wimbledon? Is it for more business opportunities in UK? Why did famous Sewag postpone his shoulder after the last match of IPL? Why cricketers are worshiped like Gods? I read articles on Yuvraj Singh etc lifting Tendulkar and saying "we won world cup for Tendulkar".. Why not for Indian people?

  • Aspraso on August 13, 2011, 6:23 GMT

    How Ponting must be wishing he had this version of the Indian Team to play against !! Even the Bangladeshis and Zimbabweans might be fancing their chances!

  • nickcarter80 on August 13, 2011, 6:21 GMT

    England should seriously re-think before giving a 4 match test series to this kind of a team. Instead ECB should have asked them to tour Zimbabwe or Bangladesh and learn to how play test cricket.

  • bhaloniaz on August 13, 2011, 6:16 GMT

    I like all three: Cook, Bell, Trot. Imagine if England had Trescothik and Flintoff with Peterson, Prior, Bresnan, Broad/Anderson, Tremlett, Swan.. that would be a team.

  • mixters on August 13, 2011, 6:14 GMT

    @rahulcricindia you Indian fans would know about getting arrogant to fast now dont you think. You do not have to win on the sub continent to become test ranked 1 nation all you have to do is become the top of the rankings thats all. India are always hard to beat at home so are most teams. This current english side is clearly superior to all teams currently playing, this is true even if they dont win in India. I would bet with a Mumbi bookie that they make a better fist of it than India has done in England

  • Front-Foot-Lunge on August 13, 2011, 6:11 GMT

    Now there's no Indian fans saying that England aren't the better team. And England are, by a country mile. They are better than India at cricket in ALL FACETS OF THE GAME. What a series. This series will be remembered forever in the pages of cricketing history.

  • on August 13, 2011, 5:58 GMT

    Okey folks, english fans..its time for u to celebrate.England were better prepared, had the intensity, the desire to do well.They outplayed India in every department.The sight of indian players lurking around the field hopeless and clueless was absolutely sad to see for an indian fan.However you guys can only start bullying others saying number one when you go and win series in subcontinent.Take out graeme swann and you are vapourised sorry to say that,but u come and play in a chennai wicket or a kanpur and pummell this indian team.then we indian fans will bow before the english supremacy.You guys can never win against srilanka in srilanka or pakistan in pakistan.Thats the fact.sad but true.barring one or two none of the english players know to play quality spin.so stop your arrogance and prepare well.your real test is only starting now as u become #1. Dont forget that the hunters become the hunted soon.

  • maddy1986 on August 13, 2011, 5:56 GMT

    well i think may be the cook is the next big thing in the cricket may be becoz at the age of 25 he got 25 centuries in his kit so kohlis& rainased to do something serious to fill the gap between them and him as a indian i dont like some other to break the tendulkars record :)

  • on August 13, 2011, 5:47 GMT

    Its again all up too dravid and laxman to save the match for India,,Nothing should be taken away from england they have out played India In all the matches,Its nt tht we r a bowler skort or sumthing,its jst tht England are playing Excellent Cricket..They deserve to be no1.Bt sum how i have a feeling tht India will save the match and come out all guns blazing in the final test and hang on to the No1 status,...And wht sehwag did in the second innings was unnecessary everybody knws thts the way he plays,bt the situation needed him to be patient,he was selected in the team at the expense of mukund for making a difference bt sehwag had no impact whtsoever on the out come of the match.....

  • Stevieweivy on August 13, 2011, 5:42 GMT

    Sehwag is supposed to be an opener in the all-time best 11 isn't he ? I'm not doubting his ability but I think his shot selection in that second innings is reason enough to cast doubt on the judgement to elevate him to that position.

    Just relentless by England - they may have ground out the score at times rather than put their foot down but that is proving to be a winning formula and they have time to burn (assuming favourable weather over the next day or so)

  • Vishal_07 on August 13, 2011, 5:28 GMT

    It is hard to say what is wrong with Team India. This was almost the same team that went to SA last year and had the series tied at 1-1 against equally menacing bowling and equally seaming pitches, if not more. If there is not enough talent then one could point out that as a reason, if it is mental then it is hard to quantify and justify.

    I would love to talk trash back with the English fans and the non-Indian team fans but with the performance this team has shown so far, it is best to shut up and hope for a better day at cricket tomorrow!

  • rahulcricindia on August 13, 2011, 4:58 GMT

    @Cpt.Meanster very well said mate.....few english fans are getting carried away calling our batsman ordinary.....well one series can not decide the quality of a batsman.....what about your 5-0 defeat against australia....learn to be gracious either in a win or a defeat....just enjoy your success do not be arrogant .....can backfire.....

  • gentlemans-game on August 13, 2011, 4:58 GMT

    India did not give this series or the opposition the seriousness it deserved, arrived in England with just the right amount of arrogance and over-confidence to dig their own graves; and are succeeding in that endeavour. Dravid and Kumar are notable exceptions.

  • Shan156 on August 13, 2011, 4:56 GMT

    @rahulcricket007, England lost the test series 0-1, not 0-2 as you claim, in 2008. They lost in Chennai's (India's record run chase of 387) but drew in Mohali. Yes, we lost the ODIs 0-5 but no England fan would claim that we are even a decent ODI side.

    That said, I really believe that we can win a game or two in the ODI series that follows. India will miss Zaheer, Harbhajan and Yuvraj, in that order. But, even without them, India have the quality to thrash us. But, stranger things have happened and we just beat the Lankans in a ODI series. So, you never know. It must be exciting though.

  • vgsr on August 13, 2011, 4:54 GMT

    More than the defeat, its the manner and the margin of defeat which hurts me, as an Indian. Least the batsmen can do , is to put up a fight, like the bowling unit.

  • on August 13, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    no matter england beats india 4-0 in test and 5-0 in odis... India is no. 1 cricket team in the world.. mind it :P

  • Shan156 on August 13, 2011, 4:51 GMT

    @Gizza, Agree with most of your points but England have been the luckier side? Seriously. We have lost Tremlett and Trott to injuries but still managed to do well. Swann was injured in the second test. Re: cloudy conditions, granted England had the best of bowling conditions in test 3, India had them best in tests 1 and 2. The hallmark of a good team is to recover from the bad situations they are in and England managed to do that many times this series. India had us on the mat in the first innings in Trent Bridge. They even took a first innings lead and at one point looked like they were going to take a substantial lead. We batted well in the 2nd innings yes but what happened to India in their 2nd innings? The pitch had flattened out but still India got bowled out for a paltry score after England had posted a huge total.

  • m_ilind on August 13, 2011, 4:46 GMT

    Sachin & Dravid missed straightforward chances or else Eng's lead could have half of what it is! It's pathetic that no mention is made of India's dreadful fielding, while batting/bowling is being talked about!

  • on August 13, 2011, 4:40 GMT

    @Patrick JM: Here's what you (rather unwisely) said about the relative bowling strength of the two sides: "Top drawer, sub-25 avg bowlers legitimise test cricket, and England don't have any. That's the truth." Let's take a look at the ACTUAL truth, shall we, Patrick? Using as our benchmark the Test career records of every bowler who's played for either side over the last two years, here's a list of those bowlers whose career records currently stand at an average of 30 or less: FOR INDIA: Kumar: 25. FOR ENGLAND: Shahzad: 15; Bresnan: 24; Tremlett: 25; Finn: 26; Sidebottom: 28; Swann: 29; Anderson: 30; Tredwell: 30. Just in case you can't do the Maths yourself, there are eight Englishmen & one Indian in that list. Perhaps it's now beginning to dawn on you why England will be crowned as the best team in the world sometime over the next 48 hours while India (after being on the wrong end of yet another decimation at The Oval) will be ranked no. 3 & rapidly sliding...

  • on August 13, 2011, 4:39 GMT

    They need 6 sixes in one hour. Pathetic England can't play in India and Sri Lanka. Unfortunately Indian team played too much game all blame on IPL.

  • on August 13, 2011, 4:37 GMT

    If India manages a draw here, they will win the last test, howsoever good/bad The Oval pitch is.

  • The_big_j on August 13, 2011, 4:31 GMT

    I think Sehwag will save team India.... oh wait. This Indian team is a joke even bangladesh didn't get this bad of a hammering.

  • amit.80s on August 13, 2011, 4:11 GMT

    Boy oh boy thats how u defeat ur opponent absolutely ruthless, cruel and show no mercy. Now India who hav'nt scored 300 in one innings so far need to score 486 just to make england bat again this is so inhuman from england maybe thats why they use to rule the whole world.

  • landl47 on August 13, 2011, 4:07 GMT

    @Matthew Jackson: I take it you don't follow English cricket? The best thing about England at the moment is that it has a great crop of young players coming through. Aside from the fact that Cook is only 26 and Morgan 24, England have James Taylor and Ben Stokes, 21 and 20, with multiple first-class hundreds and averages in the high and mid-40s respectively, Alex Hales, 22, an opener who just scored 50 and 42 against Sri Lanka A and hit 184 recently, and three top-class young wicketkeeper batsmen; Davies and Kieswetter have already played for England, but the best of them all might be Jonny Bairstow, still 21 but with a first-class average of 46 and a top score of 205. Then you have Bresnan, 26, and Broad, 25, who are both good enough bats to qualify as all-rounders, and Chris Woakes, 22, with 4 first-class hundreds as another all-rounder. All that, and England's strongest area is its bowling! When the current players retire there are lots to take their place.

  • blondblackberry on August 13, 2011, 4:03 GMT

    england r winners of weak teams and they should b proud of it.also,their winning took place only in england.aussies,pak,s.l.,india all teams didn't hav strong team as some players retired or injured.they should b proud of beating a strong team away.but i don't think thay can do it.hope aussie team will teach a good lesson in the next ashes.

  • PaddyRasta on August 13, 2011, 3:59 GMT

    @rahulcricket007 This was no accident. England planned, prepared, attacked, stood up and conquered. They have been on the rise for the past 2 years and obviously India have been in decline and holding onto their aging greats rather than grooming youngsters. India will struggle vs England even on their own soil. The disparity between the teams has exposed India's lack of depth in both their batting and bowling.

  • othello22 on August 13, 2011, 3:53 GMT

    Such comedy.... I just had a big laugh reading the comments from the Indian supporters here claiming England cant really be number 1 because they haven't beaten India in the subcontinent. If that is the case then India should give up their current number 1 ranking effective immediately because I cannot recall them ever winning a series in Australia. That of course didn't stop them from proclaiming themselves the best in the world and replacing Australia as the number one ranked side in the world. Hypocrisy, anyone?

  • vgsr on August 13, 2011, 3:52 GMT

    Dont think Zaheers presence would have made a significant difference. For one, this is a team game and second, its the batting which has failed every time. The bowlers have actually not done badly. given the form of the English batsmen. The indian team has clearly been outplayed in every department including fitness and England is on top of their game.They deserve to be No 1.

  • on August 13, 2011, 3:52 GMT

    Full credit to England.. This series will go down as a black-mark in the history of captain MS Dhoni, who always had the "Midas touch". Being an Indian fan its hard to accept India losing the series, losing the no.1 ranking, a whitewash (4-0) that is likely to happen, and even harder for me to accept is that Indians could not take a lead while playing against a second division county. Indians always have the knack of under-performing when their expectations are high. Hopefully a positive change comes up in the Indian camp after this historic series..

  • criclover999 on August 13, 2011, 3:51 GMT

    Just remember guys 2 more days to go still never underestimate a cornered tiger as once the great man Sir kapil Dev said it all depends if ur ready to fight and thats what we want indian cricket team to do is just fight .

  • lefty84 on August 13, 2011, 3:33 GMT

    @aracer - Eng have been the better side in this series. Period. No arguments there and they can claim the number 1 spot rightfully. However if you argue ind can't play better in Aus based in past performances, the same argument can hold good to Eng in any sub continent conditions.

    Yes the big 3 might not be there when Eng tour ind next time around. But to assume India won't have players who will take the mantle from seniors based on this series is amateur.

    Finally - calling SRT, Dravid and laxman as Best batsmen in flat pitches against mediocre attack is ridculous. That would hold true if you consider NZ, Aus, SA, Eng too as flat tracks and warne, McGrath, wasim, steyn as mediocre.

    For their weaning powers - Sachin scored 2 centuries in SA last year and laxman has been in Good form in last 3 yrs. Dravid was having lean period but he too has bounced back in this series. Check last 5 yrs stats and cricinfo can assist you if you can figure out how to check the same.

  • india_will_rise on August 13, 2011, 3:25 GMT

    Many of the readers here , especially English fans have sough to belittle Zaheer's contribution asking ; what could one bowler do or is it sane to rely on one bowler?

    But rewind to SA series when India lost the first test without Zaheer. Zaheer came back in the next test and blew away SA with contributions from Sreesanth too.

    Zaheer is one bowler who was instrumental in taking crucial breakthroughs in the recent tests that India played and won. Even in the World cup Zaheer's contribution was immense.

    Even if India had lost with him, it would not have been a massacre as it has been so far.

  • harshacc on August 13, 2011, 3:21 GMT

    Kudos to the England team for piling on the runs and taking 20 wickets in a test regularly this series.All the players seem to be in great nick.India have some serious introspection to do. I have never for an instant believed India were No.1 test side.We have not won a series in SA or AUS and merely drawn tests there and lets face it the Indian bowling attack will always struggle to get 20 wickets abroad.Our batting strength has always carried the team and sadly Father time waits for no man and the reflexes of the Big 3 are not what they used to be.Case in point,Dravid's slip catching.This wake up call is necessary.You cannot have a team being announced and then having Zak replaced the next day saying he is out for 12-14 weeks.This just implies that no one spoke to Zak or the physio before team announcement.Sehwag cannot come into the team with one innings practice, recovering from a shoulder injury, and score.We got spanked by a better and more prepared team.Learn and move on

  • vichan on August 13, 2011, 3:16 GMT

    @krici_lover "Congratulations to England team for first time in cricket history making an impact in the game that belongs to them. I have been following cricket for last 2 decades and first time england is doing something worth mentioning, otherwise it has been the worst test playing team on the planet." -- Then you haven't been following the game long enough to comment. England have been the best Test side MANY times in the past: late 60s/early 70s; throughout the 50s; Bodyline era and for most of the period before WWI etc. It has been a long time coming to get back to the top, after the dark days of the 90s and (arguably) 80s. But if you think this is the first time England have 'made an impact in the game'...then I think you should study cricket history some more.

  • Gizza on August 13, 2011, 3:15 GMT

    The thing is yes injuries can't be used as excuses. And most of the injuries that have occurred are India's own fault. Everyone is overweight and lazy after the World Cup and IPL so you expect them to get injured more often. On the other hand, doesn't matter what the sport they do make a difference. England could only win the 2005 Ashes because McGrath was injured for two of those Tests (the ones which England won). Likewise if Viv Richards was injured during an 80's Test, half of the West Indies' aura would vanish in an instance. Still think this series was mostly decided by performance but England have been the luckier side too (not just in terms of injuries but the days they bowled tended on average to be cloudier). At the most though the margins would have been reduced, the results would have stay the same.

  • lefty84 on August 13, 2011, 3:13 GMT

    Even though the results and the performances have been poles apart between Eng and India in this series, there has been few factors which has clearly differentiated both sides.

    Fitness - The entire Eng unit has worked very hard on their fitness and it shows. Cook has been on the field all through this test match and it was wonderful to see a player not tiring and taking field after a mammoth innings. Fact is many Indian senior pros would not have done so. Attitude - there were moments where ind looked like coming back but Eng shut them down in all instances. 2 nd innings in lord, 1 st innings in TB being examples and it's positive attitude that helped them seize the initiative.

    Application - you have to respect the condition and situation of the game. Cook's innings was classic example. Not every Indian wicket fell due to great bowling or pitch/condition in this test. Many ind players were not ready to dig in and fight it out. Period.

  • professor_zero on August 13, 2011, 3:11 GMT

    @Matthew Jackson: You weren't reassured by Morgan's century today?

  • rahulcricket007 on August 13, 2011, 3:09 GMT

    @muhammad aslam mirza .yeah you are right any team from top 3 can become no.1 by accident but to remain there for 2 years is not an accident . i m n indian fan and i beleived in my team . they would stood up soon and will defeat england when they come next year .one series can't make a team worse . remember england has also some bad series ( 2006 ashes 5-0 ) & in 2008 when they toured india they can't even win a single test match ( odi series lost by 5-0 & test series lost by 2-0)

  • krishna_cricketfan on August 13, 2011, 2:47 GMT

    @@Stuart Brooking: I do not think that Indian players are over hyped. Please look at their past performances in England and also in Australia. Yes they are not performing at all in this series. By saying Indian players are over hyped, you are diminishing the dominant nature of England's performance. Simply put, your team has 14 fit players and all can bat and anyone can be replaced and still the team can give the same performance. You enjoy these moments rather than putting down Indian Greats. WE KNOW OF ENGLAND'S PAST PATHETIC PERFORMANCES. Enjoy your team when they are playing extraordinary cricket. I am sure they will remain there as No 1 for few years at least.

  • Shan156 on August 13, 2011, 2:43 GMT

    @KiwiPom, Remember, winning this series by a two test margin gives us the #1 ranking. Of course, for England to stay there, they have to consistently win or at least draw away series. The defeat in WI was in one way good as that gave Flower and Strauss a lot to think about to improve the team. And, boy, look at the results after that. Do you know that was England's last series defeat? That is two and a half years now. Also, we dominated the rest of the series and unlucky to win the last test. But, I am sure we will be favorites if we have to play WI away now. The tough ask is to win series in SL and India. We will get a chance to rectify that record this winter when we tour SL.

  • krishna_cricketfan on August 13, 2011, 2:38 GMT

    All Indian fans, let us face it. If this England team tours India, we will still be beaten. England bowlers are very good. They have enough backup. All can bowl 140 plus and consistently. But we cannot say the same thing with our bowlers. There are enough pitches that assists the bowlers. Mohali, Bangalore, Mumbai, Nagpur to name a few. Teams with good bowling attacks have really done well. All one need to do is look up at the losses by India in India. All top teams have won in India in the last 12 years. Let us not delude ourselves. Batting has saved India in the past. With the imminent retirement of our great batsmen, we have to wait and see how the young guns will fare.

  • Vikramaditya100 on August 13, 2011, 2:35 GMT

    4-0 looks a damning reality now. India have to decide whether they want to compete in Test Cricket or act in the soap opera called IPL. Well played England. Deserve to be number 1.

  • on August 13, 2011, 2:31 GMT

    I don't believe there is anything wrong with the current Indian batting line up besides a good chunk of it being out of form. It has depth but a lot of its depth is soon going to retire. India doesn't have decent bowling and the only reason they have managed to win anything last few years is because of flatter pitches and mammoth scoring on the part of their batsmen to cover up the shortcomings they have with the ball. When Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman retire, thats when India will face true problems. This is only the beginning of India's downfall if they don't find a few gems in the bowling department. England have played magnificently and truly deserve the no.1 rank. They have excellent batsmen and their bowlers are looking good. I do hope they stay on top for a while as it is well deserved. For any Indian fans still going on about not having Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan...honestly India's own fault for not focusing on making its bowling bench strength formidable.

  • on August 13, 2011, 2:29 GMT

    dissapointing and humiliating as an india fan but great cricket from England. I hope our last 9 wickets goes down with a fight atleast

  • Shan156 on August 13, 2011, 2:21 GMT

    I am surprised that some Indian fans are making excuses for the defeat. And, pathetic ones at that like Zaheer and Harbhajan are missing and Sehwag is injured. Before Sehwag's inclusion in the side, we were told that Sehwag will treat the English bowlers with disdain that they will contemplate giving up bowling after the test. What did Sehwag do? Played an irresponsible, loose shot at his first ball, following his first ball duck in the first innings, when the need of the hour was patience. Yes, that is the way he plays and that has got him lots of runs before but shouldn't he first get his eye in before going for his shots? Pathetic, really.

    Unlike some of the English fans here, I still think India are good enough but I don't think they are going to win at the Oval. Not with this attack. They, sure, are going to win this one - a draw would be an amazing achievement. I fully expect Swann to come to his own tomorrow. It should be a great contest. At least, we hope so.

  • durhamd on August 13, 2011, 2:19 GMT

    In response to those criticising England's away record, the only away series (and the only series full stop) that they have lost since the Strauss/Flower partnership started is the WI series.

  • Optic on August 13, 2011, 2:15 GMT

    @Matthew Jackson Maybe you want to take notice of England Lions games, where the likes of Taylor, Stokes, Hildreth, Hales and Baistow are impressing and improving their games, to take over and also push for places in the future.

  • Optic on August 13, 2011, 2:10 GMT

    @KiwiPom As has been said, this team only took shape after the WI tour at the start of 2009, when Flower became full time coach and Strauss was made Captain and have got better and better from that point on. Before that, they count as the dark days of Moores and the end of Fletcher's reign as coach. The planning, preparation and quality of the players and depth have improved ten fold, even though a lot of the same players are around ,the team has matured together.

  • jo13 on August 13, 2011, 2:08 GMT

    M positive..We have two days left in this match,lets try to put up a good performance in order to carry some confidence for the fourth test..we still love our Indian XI..Its just this 1 series without valuable practice matches maybe d reason..S, England fighting for the no1 and has shown its eager and worth for that status.:)all d best English fans.your XI playing good cricket. I am still optimistic expecting England to win the series 2-1.:))

  • Optic on August 13, 2011, 2:02 GMT

    @lefty84 Why have you chose that year in particular to start your analysis? This team came together as such when Strauss took over as Captain and Flower was made full time coach, which occurred after the WI tour at the start of 2009. Since then the team has gone from strength to strength,, players have matured together and their skill levels have gone through the roof, especially when you look at their batting averages and bowling averages. Players like Trott, Tremlett and Bresnan have come in and performed out of their skin. England haven't lost a series since Flower became coach and only drawing one, in the last year they have not only been beating teams , they have been decimating them and each time people are asking, are England really this good, or has the opposition been poor. I wasn't sure at first but now I am, they are this good, the team have peaked at the right time together and along with great planning and preparation, they are really stating to look a force.

  • on August 13, 2011, 2:00 GMT

    Congrats to England. Did not think I would be saying this but they have been in breathtaking form and nothing can take the accomplishment away from them.

  • PaddyRasta on August 13, 2011, 1:56 GMT

    @grahamrd Well said - the ranking system does not lie. And, I have no doubt as well that England will go to India and win. This aging Indian team that is not effectively grooming replacements will be no match for England, even on their own soil. If India were truly deserving of the number one status, they would have been able to lift their game by now - not hide behind the excuses of underpreparedness, conditions or injuries.

  • PaddyRasta on August 13, 2011, 1:44 GMT

    @shilsen Well said. Credit where, credit is due. Whilst the one-sidedness of this game must be a bitter pill to swallow, you, unlike other posters have acknowledged that England deserve to be where they are right now. The excuses of underpreparedness, injuries, pitch, conditions, how England will fare in Indian conditions, etc, will not help India move forward and maybe salvage a consolation win in the final test. I certainly hope they put up a fight - the game needs it.

  • Optic on August 13, 2011, 1:36 GMT

    Before the series started, the Indian fans, were all over this place telling anyone that would listen, that there is zero chance England can win, they won't take 20 Indian wickets, India would easily rack up the runs. Now all we're hearing, apart from excuse after excuse, is wait till you come to India and you'll get it. I mean really, by the time England next go to India on tour how many of the team will be still playing, Tendy, Dravid, Laxxman, will be more than likely gone, Zaheer won't be for certain and might choose to concentrate on one day cricket. England will still look the same, all the same players will be there in India. I find it quite sad that not many Indian fans have congratulated England on any of the wins but have choose to play the excuse game and all I hear is if's and buts. At the end of the day England have had injuries Trottt, Tremlett and Swann have all been injured, the first 2 badly but a good team can absorb injuries, just like the Aussies used to do.

  • aracer on August 13, 2011, 1:26 GMT

    Those suggesting India will regain the number one ranking are just as deluded as those who were declaring 4-0 to India before the series started - or 3-1 after Lords because India always start badly and bounce back (probably the same India fans in all cases). Look at the facts - next you tour Australia where you've never been that successful, and by the time England come to India your ageing stars will be another 18 months older (I find it very hard to believe one or more of them won't have gone by then). @PatrickJM - Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman might have been the best batsmen (on flat pitches against mediocre bowling) over their careers, but on current evidence they're fading, and with the exception of Dravid they look far from being the best batsmen right now - you have to wonder given their age whether they'll ever reach those heights again. Though I see given your comment about Dhoni being the best captain that your post is ironic.

  • Anwaruzz on August 13, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    HAHAHA !LOL! to a1234s. The Eng bench itself could give Ind a run for their money. Ind is over hyped and the players look like they wish they were not playing this test. Something has gone very wrong with this Ind team. Sad but the Ind fans should accept their stastics/avg.s will not win them any test in this series. Wake up guys and cue in on the real reasons for such a pathetic show.

  • on August 13, 2011, 1:15 GMT

    England clearly look the better side here, and probably deserve their number 1 ranking, for now. But I worry about their batting depth - the bowling looks excellent, but I haven't seen many signs of good batsmen waiting for their chance when Strauss, Cook, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, and Prior are unavailable.

    That said, India seem to have problems with depth in every aspect of the game.

  • thephill on August 13, 2011, 1:13 GMT

    @ krici_lover: i dont recall India going to Australia and winning a series. By you theory, does that mean India had no rights to claim the No.1 title as well?

  • KiwiPom on August 13, 2011, 1:05 GMT

    A blessing in disguise that Cookie failed to make that 300. In fact I hope he never makes one until his very last series. That way he'll remain hungry to make one and remain the player he currently is.

    As for England being "#1". I've just looked up the away record during the last few years. True they beat a very poor Australian team that never knew its best XI. True they won in the little England of the Pacific. However they've lost series in Sri Lanka, India, and even the West Indies. The 1-1 in South Africa included two draws when 9 down and on the ropes. For me they don't just need to win in India they need to improve their away record overall.

  • LePom on August 13, 2011, 0:54 GMT

    PatrickJM " In Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman the Indians have by some distance the best batsmen in the contest."

    I assume you are referring to something other than the test series. Trott's last score was higher than any innings total produced by the whole Indian side so far. Not only that but India have managed how many individual 100+ scores so far (about the same as England have done in their last innings).

    "Furthermore, in Dhoni the Indians have the best, most adventurous and most competitive captain of the two sides."

    LOL

    "Top drawer, sub-25 avg bowlers legitimise test cricket, and England don't have any. That's the truth."

    If you have one decent bowler, then having a sub 25 average is almost vital.

    If you have 4-5 decent bowlers all averaging sub 30 then having one averaging below 25 is not that important, because you will almost always be bowling out your opposition for sub 300 scores. As with West Indies and Aussie and now England, packs of bowlers are best.

  • Silloh on August 13, 2011, 0:48 GMT

    Well done England. Yesterday Cook made a meal of the bowlers but today he chose to virtually roast them. His concentration throughout the innings was remarkable and truly deserving of a triple century. This England team is united and it will be more than surprising if they do not go three nil up by the end of play tomorrow. But you never know . Sehwag obviously is short of match practice and the same can be said of Tendulkar . But they are class players and are excpected to perform .Cook showed what occupying the crease can do and is obviously a very fit individual. So England will take over the mantle as the number one team and hopefully India will regroup and recover faster than expected. For now their bowling looks so ordinary but I more feel its the class battinh of the English motivated by their skipper. Bhopara sadly to say missed out and will go down in the records as present but ineffective in this test.

  • aasim215 on August 13, 2011, 0:42 GMT

    England is really the number one side...the top 6 batsmen are a mix of aggression and grittiness,wkt-kpr batsmen,4 gud quality bowlers in which 2 are almost like allrounders .

    As far as Indian team is concerned and being a Indian fan it is very disappointing to see how BCCI and selection committee took every thing for granted.They flew in Sehwag thinking he would score double hundreds immediately after two months of layoff from surgery and actually got a KING PAIR. Rested key players(also some has injuries) thinking they will start performing immediately after their return but the only performing are ones who played in West Indies. Indian Bowling future is very bleek, without Zaheer only Ishant looks somewhat threatening. PK swings but pace is so low that negates it impact. Only the gud can happen in Indian Bowling department is that infuse some youngsters from U20,U22 and current Emerging Tournament and nourish the gud ones.

    Till then England is undoubtedly Numero-Uno,well played

  • LePom on August 13, 2011, 0:39 GMT

    "Sundar Srinivasan on I agree with the view that for England to be really number one, they have to at least draw a 4 match series in India." Fair enough I suppose. The question is whether or not a draw is the very best that the current Indian team could hope for at home against this England team? Lets face it, the current Indian bowling attack is struggling to get English batsmen out in conditions that favour bowlers. So, even though you could reasonably expect the Indian batsmen to do much better at home against this attack, without the ability to extract English batsmen, (who have shown the ability to score big on the road against better bowlers than Indian have) wins are not likely, only high scoring draws, or losses if the English bowlers adapt (as they did in Australia).

  • Mitcher on August 13, 2011, 0:30 GMT

    Funny how the same Indian fans who scoffed at suggestions India didn't have to win a series in Sth Africa OR Australia (just once, EVER!), to be considered number one, now claim England have to win in India to be number one. This is a waste of time argument. Granted, if this England side wants to become one of the great sides of all time then, yes, it must win all over the place, but it would be hard to mount an argument they are not the best going around at the moment. BTW, I'm Australian so no great pleasure in praising the English!!!

  • krazzyking on August 13, 2011, 0:28 GMT

    SOS indeed..." Send our sehwag" dint work... This indian team lacks something....ZK?...nah...one man alone cant make this difference

  • theRule19 on August 13, 2011, 0:22 GMT

    I have no regrets with England being no.1 as they have played some good cricket in home conditions. Lets see if they can maintain this in India or other countries. India was no.1 for the few years because they somehow managed to beat good teams in their country or atleast level a series which went in their favour. Indian teams really needs two tearaway fast bowlers and one geniune allrounder to turn the tables around. Sree and Ishant are no good and and Mishra is definately below average. Test cricket is about taking 20 wickets and a team that does not do that always struggles. In situations like this a team needs atleast two wicket taking bowlers that can rattle an opposition and bowlers that contain batsmen like Mishra and Ishant or Sree are just not good enough.

  • grahamrd on August 13, 2011, 0:20 GMT

    To all those Indians that believe England have to win in the sub-continent to be No1. They don't. They just have to finish off India later on today. Simples!

  • lefty84 on August 13, 2011, 0:13 GMT

    Fantastic batting by cook and ruthless display by England. They deserve to move the number 1 spot in test cricket.

    @Stuart Brooking - India deserves to be criticized and condemned for their performance in this series. But don't nullify the past performances to prove a point.

    And your point of rankings being an anomaly is indeed true.

    Lets see what both teams have done in away tours since 2008 season

    Lost to India (1-0), Lost to WI (1-0), Drawn in SA (1-1), Won in B'desh (2-0), Won in Aus (3-1) (The ashes being the only notable victory away)

    Below is India's away performance in same period

    Lost to SL (2-1) in 2008, Won in NZ (1-0), Drawn in SA (1-1), Won in B'desh (2-0), Won in WI (1-0), Drawn in SL (1-1) in 2010

    Removing the common results against b'desh & SA, India has fared far better away than Eng.

    Eng have played 7 home series in same period losing 1 against SA and India has played 6 in same period not losing any.

    You would do well to check your team stats.

  • RednWhiteArmy on August 13, 2011, 0:06 GMT

    OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • on August 12, 2011, 23:59 GMT

    What can you do, India got mauled by Gooch and now Cook. India's goose is cooked. Sehwag might have two ducks, which he can take home, but he didn't come here to have two ducks. He's scored two triple tons and a 290 himself. He's probably glad Cook didn't get the triple ton.

  • on August 12, 2011, 23:58 GMT

    Some of the comments out here are really amateurish. It is really surprising that one bad series and everyone is calling indian batsmen flat track bullies and all sort of nonsense. Where were you folks when india challenged the aussies in their own backyard? Indian batsmen have never been given credit for their batsmanship and always been labelled as flat track ponies.

    If you see the statistics of the last few years, india, england and SA are the only teams which have done well overseas and india have challenged every team in their own backyard.

    The bubble was going to burst at some point of time and it was inevitable. There is no excuse for this shoddy and spineless performance. The talent and skill is there. The only thing is to apply them while playing. genuine swing bowling can trouble any team in the world. It's time to regroup and learn from the mistakes.

  • on August 12, 2011, 23:46 GMT

    I agree with the view that for England to be really number one, they have to at least draw a 4 match series in India. India has performed poorly here but they drew against two top sides outside the sub continent and won in WI and this can be discounted because WI is not a good team.

  • _NEUTRAL_Fan_ on August 12, 2011, 23:30 GMT

    All I can say is... this is absolute carnage.

  • Siyal on August 12, 2011, 23:30 GMT

    India is good team, but should bring some fresh people both in batting and bowling, these oldies have no will to come out from difficult situation. Play RP singh instead of Sresanth, and Ashwin in spinning department.

  • SDHM on August 12, 2011, 23:29 GMT

    Patrick - sub-25 bowlers no longer exist, with the exception of Steyn (and even more a reason for him to be chershed). Flat pitches, bigger bats and the amount of cricket being played have seen to that.

  • on August 12, 2011, 23:21 GMT

    Goes to show that we 'Indian Team' just CANNOT win or save a test match without 'the' Zaheer Khan in the team. How pathetic our bowling has become. I am very gutted at the same time HAPPY for the English team as they clearly are far more fit, in-form and are the No.1 team in the world. India - we better prepare a couple of genuine fast bowlers or else we will soon be crowned No.6 team in the world! Nuf said!

  • krici_lover on August 12, 2011, 23:19 GMT

    @Stuart - Congratulations to England team for first time in cricket history making an impact in the game that belongs to them. I have been following cricket for last 2 decades and first time england is doing something worth mentioning, otherwise it has been the worst test playing team on the planet.If I am not wrong ranking system has been in for quite a while and first time england has managed to reach to the top. When India reached to top and rather remained there, england was also playing, why couldn't it stop India reaching on top. Due to some insipid planning by BCCI, rebuilding Aus and ofcourse IPL, you have got this opportunity. And always keep in mind, you haven't win a series in India in last one decade or more. The moment your real team will be able to win series in India and SL and retain this no 1 spot for more than 2 years, then boast. Until then enjoy this rare moment of success of english cricket, who knows when does story after ashes 2005 repeat itself.

  • shilsen on August 12, 2011, 23:18 GMT

    @a1234s - As an Indian supporter, I've got to say your post is just clutching at straws, as well as being very mean-spirited in not giving credit where credit is due. The fact is that England is just a superior team to India, and especially so if one considers both the primary XIs and their bench strength for both teams. I don't even think that India is as bad a team right now as they look, but would rather give credit to the English team for making them look this poor. If India were batting against most teams on this surface in the first innings, I'm betting they would have done a lot better. It's the quality of the English bowling, on a fairly flat surface, which is either getting Indians out via excellent bowling (e.g. Dravid in the 1st innings and arguably Sehwag as well) and forcing them to make mistakes due to pressure. Similarly, I think the quality English batting makes the Indian bowling look worse. So kudos to the English in all regards. Well-played, and well-deserved No.1.

  • Rahulbose on August 12, 2011, 23:15 GMT

    To all Indian fans starving of good news. Check this out http://www.espncricinfo.com/emerging-players-tournament-2011/engine/current/match/516202.html

  • golax on August 12, 2011, 23:09 GMT

    @a1234s: I think we need to be more gracious in defeat. It's not like the other stalwarts of our side have put up a stellar performance. Moreover, England have seized every opportunity they had and have also fought to create opportunities where there weren't any, albeit part of those being gifted by loose play. As disappointing and demoralizing this is to us Indian fans, let us not lose a global perspective of the top performance put in by England. Let's not take away anything from them by such comments and learn to appreciate the opponents' game too.

  • khanofspn on August 12, 2011, 23:00 GMT

    Its time for India to play Zimbabwe and Bangladesh to make some records.

  • demon_bowler on August 12, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    The empty boasts of Indian fans now ring hollow, and I sense even they have tired of them. You have had enjoyed years of belittling English cricket and swanking about your "galacticos" -- now reality has caught up with you, you have little to say.

  • Mr-Cricket-USA on August 12, 2011, 22:56 GMT

    This is the time for ENGLAND to celebrate. India will never learn to realize its own mistake, rather simply blame other factors as injuries and bad luck and lack of preparation and the list goes on.Just for once Indian team, their media, their writers and their followers.... admit it wide open that regardless of any other factors (excuses), ENGLAND has beaten you in each and every department of the game of cricket and they did it very convincingly. This is England's time and they have TRULY and COMPREHENSIVELY beaten India and other better test nations over a very good period of time. In the game of cricket, I am usually Australia's fan, but to be fair and to give full credit, ENGLAND is and has been doing great and I started to Like them a lot! They are truly playing as a TEAM and not for their individual records or goals, they play for ENGLAND'S success only (all 11 players). I believe they will continue to do so and therefore will be a very good cricket TEST side for a long time.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:45 GMT

    they shud just come back, the whole facade of no 1 team has come down, england has pwned india in every way they can. remember australia lost the mantle wen thier greats retired. in case of india, it was all just an illusion.

    dhoni got lucky in the sense he has had a few good players all come in at the same time. and this is also the reason why i think coaches are overrated. if the teams not good, it doesnt matter who the coach is

  • Cpt.Meanster on August 12, 2011, 22:42 GMT

    @Stuart Brooking: I know as an English fan you are on top of Mt. Everest. India deserve these remarks after such a poor show. They have been spineless and look outright PWNED. However, do not forget that any team can have tours like this. Your team England got SMASHED to saw dust by Australia in 2006 (5-0). The team England had then was very good. But poor preparation cost them that Ashes tour. India is going through what England went through in 2006. Hell, it could even happen to this English team in the next overseas tour they go. Cut the arrogance and celebrate like gentlemen my dear English fans. Arrogance cost many teams in the past including the Aussies. Don't make that same mistake. Having said that, this English team will SURELY struggle in the subcontinent as they got no bowlers in the class of McGrath, Gillespie, and Warne to trouble Indian batsmen. Can't wait for England's trip to India. Remember India are world champions and are still very good in ODIs.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:41 GMT

    As I said before India is a team that struggles to make 200 runs and they lack bite in their bowling line up. Technically India should be ranked 7. Their batsmen will only be dominant on flat Indian pitches. It was always going to be difficult to beat England in England, but this is not a beating, this is a mauling.

  • mars2009 on August 12, 2011, 22:38 GMT

    India should not play cricket outside India. This is the only way to being no. 1 test team.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:32 GMT

    I am an Indian supporter and I think the way India have performed is disgusting. They have showed no respect for the England team, for the fans and the game of cricket. Shewag was a perfect example of somebody who could not give a toss. I had tickets for Lords, and have tickets for the Oval test, the Sussex game and the Lords ODI. I was looking forward to some great games of cricket but feel cheated. There are too many excuses from the Indian fans but the truth of the matter is that Zak, Harbajan, and Laxman are a spent force, Tendulkar is only hanging on for the hundred hundred. Shreeshant, and Ishant are not international test bowlers, Mishra is a club standard spinner, and Raina, Dhoni and Yuvraj decent ODI players no more. India have top scratch and find some young cricketers with the hunger and pride that comes with wearing the Indian cap they should look no further than Dravid as an example of how the game should be played.

  • PatrickJM on August 12, 2011, 22:32 GMT

    @StuartBrooking - the truth is somewhere between. In Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman the Indians have by some distance the best batsmen in the contest. Furthermore, in Dhoni the Indians have the best, most adventurous and most competitive captain of the two sides. To say they are "overhyped" is wide of the mark. The England approach - declare at 710 - will not as you say "legitimise cricket". Top drawer, sub-25 avg bowlers legitimise test cricket, and England don't have any. That's the truth.

  • MartinC on August 12, 2011, 22:28 GMT

    This is a seriously good England side. What's even more encouraging is the strength in depth we have. Tremlett, Finn and Panasar who can come in as injury cover or as rotation, Taylor, Hales and Stokes (among others) waiting for a batting spot. There are also a clutch of very good keeper/batsmen waiting in the wings as well.

    This is a side the right age and with the right depth to be at the top in Text cricket for quite a while.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:27 GMT

    I am cent percent sure that Sehwag will play again in Oval as it is Indian mentality. They play with names rather than with team. Let's be very logical, Mukund scored a century in warm up game and he has already played two tests in this series. Just when he was starting to play, they dropped for the sake of big name Sehwag and look what he has done; A KING PAIR. I can still see the blog where some people are making excuse of missing Yuvraj, Zaheer and Harbhajan. For God sake, be realistic and see what your playing super stars have achieved; Sachin failed, Gambhir failed, Raina failed, Laxman Average, Dravid only the resisting force and now Sehwag (wonder if fail would be a linient word) When all these so called super stars have failed big time, what can you expect from others. This Indian batting line up is the worlds best batting line up by stats and according to Indian Media. Indian team should come down to earth and stop looking for excuses and start performing.

  • krici_lover on August 12, 2011, 22:24 GMT

    @Muhammad, Very well said - by accident one can reach to No 1 but can't maintain that. But if anything lasts for 2 years then that is not an accident rather accident can be series where you don't play well and nothing goes your way.

  • Doogius on August 12, 2011, 22:23 GMT

    @ Stuart, think at 1 point India had played 27 out of 32 tests in a 3 yr cycle in either India, Banga or SL. And from that India were No. 1. Deserved? @ Mahesh, so you think that a team that is 500 behind in the 1st innings in a series swinging test can win the no.1 test ranking, now thats funny....

  • cyniket on August 12, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    I'm not surprised england are winning, as I thought they were favourites for this series, but I am surprised at the manner of the victory. India are better than this and it's not a particularly edifying spectacle. I have enormous respect for many of their players, not just for their ability, but also for the way in which they play the game. Every team has some annoyingly narrow minded fans so lets not get too carried away with the gloating.

  • HazimEjaz on August 12, 2011, 22:17 GMT

    Dhoni should show some more sportsman ship as he did in the first test. Here by accepting defeat and let Indian players cool off in ice.

  • HazimEjaz on August 12, 2011, 22:14 GMT

    Zaheer, Harbhajan and Shewag are minnows in front of Anderson Board and Strauss. They are only good for IPL.

  • Vignesh.A on August 12, 2011, 22:13 GMT

    My thought to all the people is to calm down when we get the trophy and when we reach the no.1 ranking we will feel happy and when it is becoming tough we need to give more support and enthusiasm to our players.

    Everybody when it comes to life we will say happiness and sorrow are part of life But when it comes to cricket we will become more theoritical.

    No player in the world will play to lose badly.

    Something is not coming on just we have to respect the situation and show our patience and respect towards the team. When Australia were no. 1 they defeated plenty of teams when we stopped them we feel very proud. Now it is somebody else turn it doesn't mean that we are a county team. It is just that this is not our tour who knows our time will soon come

  • A..B.. on August 12, 2011, 22:11 GMT

    a1234s: Absolutely retarded excuses. I love India but we've been awful. I know our batsman can play as patiently as Cook (Sehwag the exception) so its just the fact that all our batsmen (bar Dravid) are out of form. And the reason we reached the top is because our bowlers had the confidence of 100s of runs when bowling. Or the confidence that we could chase down up to 300 in the 4th innings fairly easily. England at the top will be wonderful because there team is great and, unlike their media, the players are proud, yet likeable (Broad the exception). Now to look forward to India challenging this English team in the future the way we challenged the great Aus team in the past. That's what we're good at, knocking champions out, not being champions.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:07 GMT

    Indian fans admit it. England is miles ahead of India. No point of talking about injuries. Indian batting, bowling and fielding all pathetic. You can't be the number one with such poor performance.

  • on August 12, 2011, 22:01 GMT

    for indian fans who just come here with hope that india will get number one spot again.. please face the reality now..india have lost number 1 slot.. england did not make injured zaheer, harbhajan, yuraj etc.. so why you people saying if india have not these players and if england would not have broad, anderson, tremlett..they cant take number 1 position..england did homework before series not like india who just come england with a mind we are number one and no one can take from us.on paper tendulkar is huge, sehwag has impact but on field only dravid and i think laxman always rescue india.. if india really want to be number one.. they should do some work for it.. revise its future plan play more with bangladesh, newzeland, zimbawe (not with west indies have seen how india were good against them) and plz indian media stop creating hype that india have all such ingredients to dominate..india media show indian team as they are born to win and no one can beat them

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:56 GMT

    England shuld be declared winners by tomorrow...why indians want to get more injured by toiling hard for defeat..:D

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    @Mahesh Kumar no, india will be no3 when they get drubbed 4-0 after the oval. and on the evidence of this tour, that is 2 places too high

  • landl47 on August 12, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    @a1234s: Sehwag is playing (he just didn't make any runs) and most of the Indians on this board wanted Harbhajan dropped for Mishra anyway. England are without Trott and Tremlett- that's more runs and more wickets over the last year than the Indians are missing. You have no argument whatever.

  • Chris_P on August 12, 2011, 21:47 GMT

    A combination of technically sound batting effort aganst a popgun bowling attack on what is still a pitch that is offering something to bowlers just begins to show the dive this Indian team has descended to. I have said it before and I'll say it again, this is an extremely poor international bowling lineup.

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    @a1234s that is truly pathetic. injuries are part and parcel of international sport. you have to accept that they happen. all ive heard from indian supporters is how they have had injuries and how they beat us in 07, conveniently that flintoff, harmison and hoggard were either injured or carrying injuries in that tour. you simply have to get on with it. and to your point, we would just select tremlett, finn & taylor and would still have won the series. indias no1 standing was a statistical anomoly, in the 3 year cycle that determines the rankings you have won in WI, NZ and Bang - truly awe inspiring results - i cant wait for the end of this series, it will be good for cricket to have a real team at the top, even bangladesh provided stiffer opposition last year

  • durhamd on August 12, 2011, 21:40 GMT

    @a1234s, Broad has a toe injury, Trott is injured, and Swann's been carrying a hand injury for a while now. That's 2 bowlers and an important batsman down isn't it? Excuses, excuses.

  • SDHM on August 12, 2011, 21:39 GMT

    a1234s - an excuse to bring in Finn, Tremlett and Hales at the top of the order? We'd welcome the chance ;)

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:30 GMT

    India stayed number 1 almost for 2 years. England is now a better team and they should take the place but do not forgot india will only be number 2 now! They can get it back!

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    another day of english dominance. while india may have had 'chances' if you analyse the sessions won in this series, england are on another planet to india. its remarkable that this popgun attack took india to the top, let alone kept them there for 18 months. its good for cricket that an actual team, full of batting & bowling options will go top. it will legitimise test cricket again. with cooks and strass's contributions, every player has made an impact. with one major exception. but with the wicket turning square, i wouldnt bet against swanny running through this fragile batting line up by tea on saturday. its a relief that SA will be here next summer, although a shame that its only a 3 match series, as that will provide the teams with challenging cricket. and the spectators value for the money paid for the tickets. 2 things that have been sorely missing from this series, thanks to an over hyped india living up to their actual playing ability

  • a1234s on August 12, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    no Zaheer, no Harbhajan, Sehwag is injured. let us see England without Anderson Broad and Strauss.

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    With poor bowling, by accident you can get No 1 but never maintain that.

  • on August 12, 2011, 20:57 GMT

    LOL PWNED.That is the perfect way to describe India's performance against England.

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  • on August 12, 2011, 20:57 GMT

    LOL PWNED.That is the perfect way to describe India's performance against England.

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:15 GMT

    With poor bowling, by accident you can get No 1 but never maintain that.

  • a1234s on August 12, 2011, 21:22 GMT

    no Zaheer, no Harbhajan, Sehwag is injured. let us see England without Anderson Broad and Strauss.

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:26 GMT

    another day of english dominance. while india may have had 'chances' if you analyse the sessions won in this series, england are on another planet to india. its remarkable that this popgun attack took india to the top, let alone kept them there for 18 months. its good for cricket that an actual team, full of batting & bowling options will go top. it will legitimise test cricket again. with cooks and strass's contributions, every player has made an impact. with one major exception. but with the wicket turning square, i wouldnt bet against swanny running through this fragile batting line up by tea on saturday. its a relief that SA will be here next summer, although a shame that its only a 3 match series, as that will provide the teams with challenging cricket. and the spectators value for the money paid for the tickets. 2 things that have been sorely missing from this series, thanks to an over hyped india living up to their actual playing ability

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:30 GMT

    India stayed number 1 almost for 2 years. England is now a better team and they should take the place but do not forgot india will only be number 2 now! They can get it back!

  • SDHM on August 12, 2011, 21:39 GMT

    a1234s - an excuse to bring in Finn, Tremlett and Hales at the top of the order? We'd welcome the chance ;)

  • durhamd on August 12, 2011, 21:40 GMT

    @a1234s, Broad has a toe injury, Trott is injured, and Swann's been carrying a hand injury for a while now. That's 2 bowlers and an important batsman down isn't it? Excuses, excuses.

  • on August 12, 2011, 21:46 GMT

    @a1234s that is truly pathetic. injuries are part and parcel of international sport. you have to accept that they happen. all ive heard from indian supporters is how they have had injuries and how they beat us in 07, conveniently that flintoff, harmison and hoggard were either injured or carrying injuries in that tour. you simply have to get on with it. and to your point, we would just select tremlett, finn & taylor and would still have won the series. indias no1 standing was a statistical anomoly, in the 3 year cycle that determines the rankings you have won in WI, NZ and Bang - truly awe inspiring results - i cant wait for the end of this series, it will be good for cricket to have a real team at the top, even bangladesh provided stiffer opposition last year

  • Chris_P on August 12, 2011, 21:47 GMT

    A combination of technically sound batting effort aganst a popgun bowling attack on what is still a pitch that is offering something to bowlers just begins to show the dive this Indian team has descended to. I have said it before and I'll say it again, this is an extremely poor international bowling lineup.

  • landl47 on August 12, 2011, 21:48 GMT

    @a1234s: Sehwag is playing (he just didn't make any runs) and most of the Indians on this board wanted Harbhajan dropped for Mishra anyway. England are without Trott and Tremlett- that's more runs and more wickets over the last year than the Indians are missing. You have no argument whatever.