England v Australia, 5th Test, The Oval

Miller rules out Trescothick call

Andrew Miller

August 11, 2009

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Marcus Trescothick led the way for Somerset, Warwickshire v Somerset, County Championship Division One, Edgbaston, August 6, 2009
Geoff Miller said Marcus Trescothick would not be part of the selection considerations for the final Test © Getty Images

England's national selector, Geoff Miller, has ruled out the possibility of a shock comeback for Marcus Trescothick, but has admitted that Mark Ramprakash is being seriously considered in a one-off capacity for the crucial fifth Test at The Oval, as England attempt to bounce back from their Headingley humiliation, and reclaim the Ashes for only the second time in 20 years.

Speaking to Cricinfo's Switch Hit podcast, Miller said that the squad selection, which will be announced at 9.30 on Sunday morning, would have to strike a balance between the long-term requirement to build the tight and cohesive unit essential for future England success, and the short-term desire to win the world's most prestigious Test series. And that means that Ramprakash, who turns 40 next month but has averaged 100 in each of his last three seasons for Surrey, cannot be discounted.

"Mark has not stated he's not available for international cricket, so we will discuss that," Miller told Cricinfo. "It's not just my decision, it's a team decision, and we'll sit down as a unit. We have a consistency and continuity angle as far as selection policy is concerned and we try to stick to that as much as possible. But we do want to win this series, which is a matter of winning this game in a one-match situation, so it's a very difficult equation as [is the case with] all selection policies."

At the same time, Miller defended the players he selected for the fateful fourth Test at Headingley, and reiterated that there would not be a kneejerk reaction ahead of the Oval showdown, regardless of how much speculation is going on in the media.

"I don't think anyone has ever said being a selector is an easy job, and one bad performance like that spotlights it," said Miller. "A selector is there to be shot at - if we do well the players have done well, if we do badly it's the selectors' fault - and that goes with the territory. We fully understand that, but the job now is to rectify the performance and win at The Oval, and that's what our minds are on.

"What's happened is that the press have jumped on one mediocre performance - which it was, and there's no getting away from that, it was very much an under-performance, and that has got to be rectified - but it's not as though we are three or four-nil down, it's 1-1. If we win this Test match we regain the Ashes, and that's what we intend to do.

"We as an England team tend to do well with our backs to the wall so we are hoping we can bounce back mentally and technically, and I'm sure the players can, because they are international quality players."

In particular Miller defended his No. 3 batsman, Ravi Bopara, who entered the series on the back of three consecutive hundreds against West Indies but who has since managed 105 runs at 15 in four Tests. At Headingley he looked like a man in need of a break from the front line as part of a middle order that contributed 16 runs for six dismissals, but Miller disagreed.

"Not necessarily," he said. "It's an option, certainly, and we'll strongly look at it, but you don't become a bad player overnight, just because you're in a bad trot. It also depends what you are like mentally as well as technically. We'll look at it in discussion with the captain and coach, see what he's like in the changing room, and if it's necessary we'll go down that line.

"But we don't just make changes for the sake of making changes," he said. "Our meetings are not two-minute affairs, never have been, never will be. We'll look at every aspect of each game separately, and hopefully make the right decisions because this Test decides the series."

Those decisions will also include the role that Andrew Flintoff may or may not make in what will be his final Test before retirement. On Monday a leading specialist, Andy Williams, concluded that the swelling in his right knee had reduced significantly, but though he welcomed the news, Miller said that Flintoff would ultimately be judged by how he performed in the nets, just as he was prior to his omission at Headingley.

"It looks very favourable at the moment, but we'll wait and see what's happened in a couple of days," he said. "If it looks as though he can be selected in the squad then we will probably do that because the England side with Freddie playing in it at his best is a quality side, but we'll have to monitor it day by day and see how he performs in the nets, because he's got to do the workload required by the captain to justify his selection."

However, barring a dramatic volte face from the West Country, one player who will not enter into the selectors' discussions, is Trescothick, who this week confirmed to a local newspaper he did not intend to come out of his international retirement, despite being the leading run-scorer in first-class cricket this summer. With a hint of regret, Miller said he would not attempt to change the player's mind.

"Marcus has many times said he's retired from international cricket, and until I hear contrary to that, he will not be a part of the selection process. He knows where he is, he's really comfortable and playing really, really well, but he's retired from Test cricket so he's not a part of our thoughts at this moment in time."

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Posted by Ramkr on (August 15, 2009, 14:28 GMT)

I agree with HostileJ... The team should not be changed due to one massive failure... But English fans must be aware that Australia's weakness is their Bowling lineup balanced well with an average English Batting line up..:(

For that matter the last world class English line had Gower, Gatting... and co... From there on it was splatter of world class batsmen.. one here... one there... Thorp, Vaughan., Kevin....

This Ashes series is only about who handles pressure better..Quality wise the teams are far below 2005. England's Key for the final test is their openers... If they click... they have a chance..

Posted by mikeboz on (August 14, 2009, 14:17 GMT)

After 117* and 5 wickets (playing for Yorkiestan) surely Adiil Rashid is a 'shoe-in' for the Oval, assuming Enland go for a second spinner.

Posted by Somerset-Richard on (August 13, 2009, 21:35 GMT)

As an Englishman desperate to see The Ashes returned to England I am fully aware of the sole objective of the final test at The Oval: England MUST win, no other result will do. Let's focus on that for a moment, shall we? So, how to go about it; we know that it's a hard, bouncy track, traditionally good for batting on. Lets examine the source of nearly all the chatter of the last week i.e. The middle order 3-4-5. Consider this question: hands up those who would expect Bopara, Bell and Collingwood to score 100 between them in both innings combined. Those that have their hands up, tell us how much of your own money you would wager on such an event!! There you have it. How about a batting line up that reads 1. Strauss 2. Cook 3. Trescothick 4. Key 5. Ramprakash 6. Flintoff 7. Prior 8. Broad 9. Swann 10. Anderson 11. Onions? Even allowing for a failure or two, such a batting lineup would post enough runs to make it necessary for Australia to bat twice.

Now its up to the bowlers!

Posted by NickHughes on (August 13, 2009, 15:15 GMT)

It's nothing to do with Ramprakash's age...he just doesn't have the bottle for test cricket. Let's not be blinded by that 100 average over 3 seasons: There is a gulf between his domestic and international records and no amount of eulogising by the Cricinfo staff plus his fan club has addressed that issue. I would back that Key is a hungrier and more confident batsman than Ramprakash and therefore should be given the nod.

Posted by delboy on (August 13, 2009, 14:11 GMT)

Dedicated by R Ponting to the England Oval XI. A real Sideshow.


Posted by GravyMon on (August 13, 2009, 13:46 GMT)

I find the current English "Selectorial S.N.A.F.U" rather interesting indeed. There must have been a very valid reason why the most prolific of English batsmen for the past 3 years has not been selected to the Test team. And at 40 (39.99) years, Ramprakash is no more, or less, equipped for the job than he was 3 years ago. This selection predicament has unwittingly landed in the laps of Miller and company. A predicament because he now has to come up with an on-field combination to satisfy public opinion that England had a real chance of regaining the Ashes; and an opinion, I might add, mainly fashioned on performance against an all at sea WI team under adverse conditions. Surprisingly, he now finds himself nigh on Winter with little stores for the season. Ramp's selection will have significantly little effect on the final outcome of the Ashes, now that the water has finally found its level. England has already done better than expected, and should concentrate on the team of the future

Posted by tomski on (August 13, 2009, 8:33 GMT)

Why does Ramps only get picked as a one off? So what is he is nearly 40, if he still wants to play for England and is considered good enough why should he not be selected beyond the Oval. If Bell and Bopara are not considered good enough or right for this moment, then surely bringing back Ramps is not the solution unless they give him 12 -18 months in the test side, with maybe the opportunity to give some correction to his figures against the lesser attacks which exist around the world now. After all, he looks far fitter than Shah, Key and several other contenders for middle order batting places??

Posted by HostileJ on (August 13, 2009, 7:54 GMT)

A match this big,needs an unchanged team...I think there is a few things Eng has to take into consideration:1) Bopara is definitely part of Englands long term plan.So whilst I think they should change something I think it would be stupid to drop him completely.The guy is utter class and will no doubt become a massive runmaker.2)Mark Ramp should be looking at the bigger picture - yes,to get a one-off call up would be great, but what if he fails?Something like that could break a player for ever.considering the importance of this match,the risk is simply too great.3)Trescothic should not even be an option.I mean who retires at the age of 32 and that (in my view) because of selection issues.I'd say bat Bell at 3,Colly at 4, Flintoff/Trott 5,Bopara 6,Prior 7,Broad 8 and Swann 9. It would be stupid to change the team now.Eng have matched Aus well in this series,even with Bopara not performing.backing him for another test will be massive for the guy's career..let alone his confidence.Go Eng!!

Posted by AdsDad on (August 13, 2009, 2:58 GMT)

Take a punt and play Ramps. No other candidate measures up. But the selectors would have to tell him it's a one-off i.e. "you're not playing for a place on the Winter tour... just go out and bat and enjoy it."

Posted by rakshit_dosti on (August 13, 2009, 1:44 GMT)

I was just wondering Why Miller or Strauss not promoting Collingwood for No 3 Position. I think he is the best fit for that.

Posted by abhishekhp on (August 13, 2009, 1:24 GMT)

England's middle order definitely needs a boost with may be not one but two players of class and experience one who can play long hours and frustrate the bowling team and the other who can keep score ticking.

Apart from it there definitely needs to be an attitude change. They simply were not aggressive in the 3rd test and surrendered meekly in the 4th. I think if they are aggressive they can beat the current Aussie team which is not even close to be called a good team.

Posted by DalesGuy on (August 12, 2009, 19:24 GMT)

Looks like every one wants to suggest a name for the middle order for the all important clash next week. Here is mine. There is a guy called VVS in Old Trafford. We will ask the Border security whether it is possible for him to have a 5 days' temporary citizenship. If so problem solved! VVS can bat anywhere in the top order especially if it against the Aussies.

Posted by Sanjiyan on (August 12, 2009, 19:01 GMT)

I love reading all these comments since the last test. Almost eveyone is calling for the middle order to be replaced or bolstered and it hilarious to see that the guys who are being nominated are either 39, have issues playing oversees or whatever else. Guys are racking up the runs on county level and when they make the jump to international level they surrender faster than the french. I think that its got nothing to do with talent or experience but balls! The enlgish team have 2 guys with em, ones injured and the other is being plastered together to get ready for his final test. Well ill give prior one..but thats it. The rest are a bunch of sissys.

Last test comming up..im backing the Aussies..and when the english go to SA they will be crushed. And ill be enjoying every minute of it!!!

Posted by chrisalis on (August 12, 2009, 17:22 GMT)

Called the Ramps idea a while back, but how about Prior at 4 as a specialist batsman and Foster coming in at 7/8 as keeper, would strengthen the batting and keeping. Also just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons - Stuart Law is English now!

Posted by gunders on (August 12, 2009, 16:49 GMT)

@jackiethepen. My turn to have a crack at him. "I'll think you'll find" Aus were playing for a draw in Birmingham?? Look at the scorecard fella. 5-375 in the 2nd innings. If Australia had had another day they would have walked away with that match. I'm sure they never considered they would lose it.

Posted by danishsyed88 on (August 12, 2009, 15:49 GMT)

Trescothick will be great. It will be great to see him back, and I'm sure he'll perform good too.

Posted by idontknowidontcare on (August 12, 2009, 14:50 GMT)

@jackiethepen So you think my comment is crazy nonsense? Have you followed the 3rd Test? The two days that you are talking about were lost before the 4th day began. When Bell and Strauss started on the 4th day, they knew they had only 2 days (at most) to force a win, and according to you, were they trying to force a win by going at 2.5-odd runs per over? Just look at the scorecard. Strauss's and Bell's strike rates were 51.49 and 46.49, after facing 100+ balls each. Add to that, Ravi Bopara also, with his strike rate of 42.59 after facing 50+ balls. Surely, with 2 days already lost out of 5, your top 4 need to do better than that to force a win? It was only because of the lower order heroics that England looked like having any kind of chance on the last day. Look at last time's Adelaide Test, Australia wanted to win it despite having shattered England in the First test, and they were able to force a win within a day! Get your facts straight before you call something crazy nonsense.

Posted by Ramkr on (August 12, 2009, 14:50 GMT)

Ravi, Bell, Colly does not make a great middle order.. for that matter not even a good one... not comparable to Ricky,Hussey,Clarke or rahul,sachin,laxman or jayavardane,sankakara,samaraveera or Younus,Yousuf,Misbah ... not not even half as good of any of these world class middle orders.... England's middle order revolve around one batman... Kevin Petersen... England's bench is also devoid of any talented young batsman..

Posted by Ronaldus on (August 12, 2009, 14:19 GMT)

I support Ramprakash being included. Way back in 1956 Cyril Washbrook who had not played test cricket since the 1950-51 Australian tour was recalled to the England team at the age of 41 for a crucial Ashes test. An opening batsman, he was brought in to shore up a dodgy middle order. He joined Peter May at 17/3 and their partnership of 187 proved to be the turning point of the rubber. Peter May said later that there had been considerable doubt amongst selectors as to the wisdom of recalling someone who had been out of the mix for so long but when he saw Washbrook coming out to join him he knew that class triumphed over all other considerations. And Australia had a top class attack . . .Lindwall, Archer, Benaud, Mackay and Johnson. Sadly, Washbrook was out for 98!! Oh yes, England won by an innings and 42 runs.

Posted by andytrolley on (August 12, 2009, 13:56 GMT)

It's not as if England have players queuing up to take the places of Bopara, Bell and Colly: one bad game, and my God, Headingley was a bad game, doesn't make the team a bunch of losers. My message to the selectors would be to back your choices and trust them to come through.

Posted by crazytaurean on (August 12, 2009, 12:41 GMT)

England should not change their line up. Such radical changes are not required after a test loss, even if it is the Ashes. Bell is fine at 3 or 4. Bopara should drop down the Order or make way for somebody else. Perhaps bat between Flintoff and Prior (if Flintoff does show up ofcourse) He seems to be out of sorts. Perhaps has left his heart in the IPL where he did well.

Marcus Trescothick is a great opener but at the moment would not be fit for the balance of the team. Things can always go wrong sometimes. England look a good side, good enough to beat the present Australian side.

Posted by ThirteenthMan on (August 12, 2009, 12:35 GMT)

Ramps had an average of 27 in Tests, little better than Bells' average against Oz, though some of his few good scores were against Oz. At 40? He's getting runs in county...against bowlers mostly not even as good as our test players. Graham Hick did that. If he plays, good luck, I hope he does well. But I will not be hopeful. Trescothic might be a good choice. He'd feel no pressure...nothing to prove, nothing to fear and nothing to lose, the type of player who could upset the likes of Sid Piddle and Mitch Johnson and put pressure early on Ponting to make choices...take bowlers off and dent their egos.

Posted by Scott_Player on (August 12, 2009, 12:32 GMT)

In view of the selection of Pietersen, the mooted future selection of Trott or Keiswetter and the past selection of Hick, Greig, Robin Smith et al, surely strong options from the county circuit to shore up the middle order would include veterans like Van Jaarsveld, Di Venuto, Hamish Marshall, Jacques Rudolph, Benkenstein, Ackerman, Stuart Law.

Posted by azarmuscat on (August 12, 2009, 12:08 GMT)

Bringing RamPrakash might bring good fortunes to the England team, but they have to pay for the negative mindset they had even after winning the third second Test. they seem to be happy with their lead and they are not prepared for the fight.Whoever they bring it is only their aggressive and positive attidute towards the game will win the cup

Posted by gunders on (August 12, 2009, 12:01 GMT)

As a supporter of the Baggy Green lads, i dearly hope you stick with Bopara and Bell. I'll even let you have Robert Key. Please please don't pick Ramps or Tresco. No one wants another 2005 do they!

Posted by bumbles11 on (August 12, 2009, 11:44 GMT)

Bell CANNOT and will never be able to handle the pressure! He is simply not able to dig deep (he isn't the only 1 ether). Ramps was like that but he has changed since moving to Surrey in 2001 and he should have been playing for England since 2007....he is a different player now (Warne said you simply can't get him out).

I would pick Tres just for home games, don't care about picking another player for away games.

It was the lowest total by a middle order in Test history....Bopara is a number 5 or 6, lets get Key in at 3, Ramps at 4 and I would also drop Colly and put in Trott at 5 and Prior at 6....that is a batting line up that won't throw away their wickets. Sidebottom should have played at Leeds and must play at Oval instead of onions (he brings control).

If we lose this Ashes, it will be down to the selectors (same goes for the aussies...not picking Stuart Clark was a massive error). Both teams are good but are not great and saffers and Indians are much staronger in my opinion.

Posted by cyborg on (August 12, 2009, 11:19 GMT)

lets look into reality whoever comes in at number 3 will struggle, it is a good call but England are going to add pressure on Ramprakash and i feel that will bury England when they lose the test i would blame Swann he should be like hauritz by now IT SEEMS EACH AUSSIE BATSMAN CAN PLAY HIM, Broad is all over the place in bowling , Strauss looks puzzled against Hilfenhaus HE OPENS THE BATTING, GOOD LUCK Ramprakash and cook open they look the better pair .

thank you

Posted by Henry. on (August 12, 2009, 10:34 GMT)

i believe that they should get rid of bopara, bell, collingwood, harminson and if broad doesnt start to become more consitent. then i think the should have MJ Lumb, JHK Adams and maybe a few others. i not sure wether they should replace prior with J Foster.

Posted by mryeags on (August 12, 2009, 10:30 GMT)

Typical English selectors - stubborn pride ! WE HAVE TO WIN ONE TEST MATCH ...this is the priority .... quite frankly i couldnt give a monkeys about the building future success for the 5 days once the first ball is bowled at the Oval . We need our best 11 players on the pitch come that first ball and if Tresco and Ramps are the best weve got get them in .... this is the Ashes not some mickey mouse test series against the West Indies .... WE MUST WIN THIS GAME THERE SHOULD BE NO OTHER AGENDA BAR THIS ! ... for me Tresco , Ramps and Key should be in - Boparas way out of form , Bell doesnt look the same player from a few years ago and Colly ! How many chances does this guy need - he scores a major ton once a series but hes no prolific runscorer for England... Cmon England we can do it but the selectors and Strauss need the bottle to say this is the best 11 England can put on the field then there will be no excuses ...

Posted by D.V.C. on (August 12, 2009, 10:28 GMT)

Regarding building for the future: Now is the future you built for yesterday!

Posted by D.V.C. on (August 12, 2009, 10:27 GMT)

Weird. Flintoff is available for one more Test, Ramprakash has no set limit. Yet the selectors are considering not selecting Ramprakash in order to build for the future but are making no such noises about Flintoff.

Posted by scritty on (August 12, 2009, 10:22 GMT)

Geoff is right to say Bopara didn't become a bad player overnight. He has ALWAYS been a mediocre player. Scoring hundreds against a WI side that didn't want to play is not something a champion is judged on. Bopara is a one day player. His first innings dismissal showed that even on the back foot defending he just HAS to angle the bat to third man..WHY ? That's a one day shot, that's what Nasser used to do (off the front foot admittedly) and it almost cost him his career. Ramps for one test ? Yeah why not. The smart alecs going "Well i'm 40, can I play..ha ha" Well yes you can. If you're as good as Mark Ramprakash and average 100 year after year in fc cricket.(a record immesurably better than any other player in English first class cricket, even the best overseas players are way behind) Do you ? No, I thought not. So the point against Ramps is purely ageist. Skill and the ability to perform should be the only deciding factor. (Ramps record against the Aussies is good)

Posted by epochery on (August 12, 2009, 10:14 GMT)

People have short memories. Ramprakash was playing well for England and scoring runs until the selectors decided to move him to open the batting against the West Indies. He should have been batting at 4 or 5 for England. We have a number of good batsmen in county cricket at the moment and it is simple that Bopara needs to be replaced, but really with who? Well Ramprakash seems the obvious candidate for this test.

Posted by Another_brick_in_the_wall on (August 12, 2009, 9:52 GMT)

I hope Ramprakash gets one last chance to redeem himself. I almost feel sorry for the guy ! God alone knows when this preparing-for-the-future talk will end ! England have their neck almost knocked off their shoulders and here they are planning for their FUTURE ! They miss a basic point, there is no future if you are not HERE and NOW ! It is hilarious !

Posted by welders on (August 12, 2009, 9:50 GMT)

The selectors are covering there own backs by saying they will not bow to media pressure and the speculation. I think they will drop Bopara for The Oval and they will replace him with Ramprakash or Robert Key. They just want everyone to think that they arrived at the decision independently.

There's no denying that Ramprakash should get the nod. All reputation and history is thrown out of the window at times like these. It's a cup final in every sense of the word. Anything could happen. I'd back Ramp's to get himself in and to score. Whenever he's got in recently he has scored very heavily, and with all due respect to the Aussie attack they are no match to the guys that troubled him in the past. And he averaged 40 odd against them. He's a better player now, so expect a man to emerge with a point to prove.

I would love Tres to come back at the Oval.... but it seems both parties are two stubborn to make the first move.

Posted by jackiethepen on (August 12, 2009, 9:12 GMT)

If England was your team steveoehley you might know more about the players. Bell averages far more than 40 in County cricket and has always been one of the leading batsmen when he gets to play at County level. Bopara is still making his way. WHEN Bell was picked for England to replace KP his average this season was 80. Why join the debate to air your prejudices when you clearly don't know any facts? What team do you support? Why not concentrate on them?

As for Strauss and Bell playing for a draw at Brum from idontknowidontcare (you said it) - what crazy nonsense is this? Only 2 lost days due to rain and terrible drainage prevented the game reaching a conclusion. England had only one innings so how could they be playing for a draw? I think you will find that was the role of Australia.

Posted by abyrao on (August 12, 2009, 8:58 GMT)

Rampi, hick and so many one match wonders took england to a brink during the time of atherton and stewart. I just can understand how this county star is going to boost englands chance. Cant they think a bit more for the future? Bopara will be a star against WI, Bangladesh but cant think more than that, Collingwood should play only ODIs and Bell is meant for county. So a 40 year old underperformer at international level is englands hope, then its just a cut paste solution and we should already congrajulate the aussies for winning the ashes.

Posted by er_varun on (August 12, 2009, 8:45 GMT)

I want Bell to bat at no. 3.....

Posted by Philip_Gnana on (August 12, 2009, 8:38 GMT)

Quite agree with Miller in re long term strategy and short term need. Bopara is not test quality - lets be frank about it. Since Thorpey's (Graham Thorpe) departure we have been struggling to fill that left handed No 3 role.Having left handed opening bats may be we should try Cooke at No3 and find a right handed opener...future that is. Mark looks the ideal make shift No 3 at the moment. Stats prove his form and go ahead with that sort of form looks a safer alternative. We need to win....come on Ramps. Philip Gnana, New Malden, Surrey.

Posted by idontknowidontcare on (August 12, 2009, 8:29 GMT)

Look who is talking about regaining the Ashes. One injury and one bad game means you need a "one-off" guy who retired 7 years ago. By the way, how is replacing one batsman going to make any difference when five of them were failures? How about bringing in Geoffrey Boycott? ...

Besides, why was not Ramprakash brought in as a replacement for the injured Pietersen? Also, do you not think it is way over the top to think that England will 1 game out of 1, when they have only won 1 out of the last 4? ...

They had a great chance to be 2-0 up after the 3rd test but they messed it up by going for a draw on day 4 (Bell and Strauss scored 50-odd runs in 20 overs), hoping to hold their 1-0 lead till the end of the Ashes. I am afraid such teams do not deserve to win, as was rightly shown last Ashes at Adelaide. ...

All this hardly matters because at the next Ashes they are going to get whitewashed anyway, just like last time. ...

Posted by alim597 on (August 12, 2009, 8:23 GMT)

some players are born to be international players without playing a single first class match, we all know that reality, but honestly telling you Mark Ramprakash doesn't seem to be of that class. he honestly is unable to cope with international pressure...

Posted by snaggle36 on (August 12, 2009, 8:17 GMT)

Oh if things had been different, Marcus as captain, the Ashes already in the bag and Freddy declaring himself fit for the next 5 years. However back in the real world Ramps will do a solid job for England and will have the mind set to not think he is playing for his place in the England team for the Winter.

Posted by mithoauau on (August 12, 2009, 8:03 GMT)

i heard Miller saying in earlier interviews about Trescothic that if he is not available for oversease tours then he wont be a considered for selection. i was thinking players are like army personnel play for their country and some time in the Army soldiers dont want to go overseas due to personel reasons. puttling that condition on Trescothic is not fair......bring Ramparkash in with Trescothic in to replace Bopara and Bell.

Posted by steveoehley on (August 12, 2009, 7:59 GMT)

Its a complete joke. The way Ramprakash has been batting in county cricket he should have been England's lead batsmen for years and possibly be one of the top cricketers in the world. Instead the selectors chose rubbish like Bopara and Bell who hardly average forty in county cricket. If England was my team I'd be fuming.

Posted by JulesUK on (August 12, 2009, 7:58 GMT)

Why do we need to consider the future? Picking players for the future should not be some abstract concept, there should be some future goal in mind.

For England the only "future goal" worth worrying about is winning the Ashes at the Oval. Pick the best XI to win thay game. If they never play again, so what? There will be plenty (far too much) more international cricket coming along later if the selectors want to look at youngsters.

However, having said that, personally I wouldn't play Ramprakash, he is mentally waek at international level. Rob Key please.

Posted by easterbunny on (August 12, 2009, 7:14 GMT)

Bopara has been mediocre all through the Ashes. I would definitely like to see him go down the order to 12th man and then Ramprakash move into his spot. None of the English batsmen have actually done anything worth mentioning, except for Strauss and maybe Collingwood - even for them, they only performed in one test each.

If I was a selector, I'd look at maybe getting Trott and Ramprakash in there - people who are on form.

You can't hang on to a player like we usually do with Kallis and Gibbs (when they're on form, they're brilliant, but when they go through a bad patch, it seems to last ages). Dead weight is bad for the innings total as well as team morale.

Posted by SamBaStaRs on (August 12, 2009, 6:32 GMT)

Ramprakash should come in the team, the guy has worked really hard on his batting and has showed everyone he is a consistent batsmen, I mean 100 hundreds isn't a joke is it. Bopara will only shine against weak teams. He should be dropped. (Bring Gary Pratt back in as Super Sub....haha)

Posted by Full_Blooded_Aussie on (August 12, 2009, 6:22 GMT)

as an aussie, i hope they play bell and bopara, because the ashes will be ours again :)

Posted by Jojy.John.Alphonso on (August 12, 2009, 5:08 GMT)

Id love to see Ramps walking in to bat at the Oval. He deserves a chance. I hope Bopara bats down the order instead.

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Andrew Miller Andrew Miller was saved from a life of drudgery in the City when his car caught fire on the way to an interview. He took this as a sign and fled to Pakistan where he witnessed England's historic victory in the twilight at Karachi (or thought he did, at any rate - it was too dark to tell). He then joined Wisden Online in 2001, and soon graduated from put-upon photocopier to a writer with a penchant for comment and cricket on the subcontinent. In addition to Pakistan, he has covered England tours in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand, as well as the World Cup in the Caribbean in 2007
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England v Australia at Chester-le-Street - Sep 20, 2009
England won by 4 wickets (with 60 balls remaining)
England v Australia at Nottingham - Sep 17, 2009
Australia won by 111 runs
England v Australia at Nottingham - Sep 15, 2009
Australia won by 4 wickets (with 10 balls remaining)
England v Australia at Lord's - Sep 12, 2009
Australia won by 7 wickets (with 38 balls remaining)
England v Australia at Southampton - Sep 9, 2009
Australia won by 6 wickets (with 9 balls remaining)
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